Re: New kid on this old block.

[Guest guest]

I think the "moral of the story" is we tend to worry too much about the injustices we experience which are usually quite minor to the injustices others do. We should never excuse the injustices others experience. But perhaps should excuse the ones we do. It is part of life. We learn far more from the tragedies than the triumphs. And at times perhaps the triumph, for ourselves anyway, is accepting the tragedies as just part of life. But we should never excuse others in order to excuse ourselves. Which is the enigma of the story. I suspect Alice knows what I mean and perhaps can explain it better than I can. Has nothing to do with karma. Has to do with life. To: JUNG-FIRE Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 5:54 PM Subject: New kid on this old block.

Please allow me to introduce myself. I'm a man of wealth and tastes… kidding. I went back a little way in the posting archives to try to get a feel for this group before attempting to jump in, but my time is somewhat limited, so what the hell, here goes.

I'll try not to waste your time by talking about myself or my experiences in a way that is not directly related to the topic at hand. I would, however, like to give everyone a chance to talk about themselves. What interest me the most is hearing about other people's numinous experiences. If , as a group, you've grown sick of hearing each other's stories but wouldn't mind relating them to fresh ears, you could send them directly to me.

I would like to make a comment about the latest topic of injustice. Obviously the grandmother in the story doesn't believe in Karma for herself or else she'd be worried about the price of failing to correct the injustice when it came to light. The grandmother's response that she's just a tool of the children's Karma is probably the same excuse used by many of the world's greatest despots. In the words of another great philosopher:

"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." - Dogbert

[Guest guest]

karma - which is the cause and effect interplay of everything in the universe and of all intentional actions within it - has everything to do with life. the injustices we ourselves do should definitely give us pause... those we experience are of far less importance - in fact, if we can let them go - even experience them with gratitude (!!) - we release an infinity of tension 'in the air'...

injustices to others, though, are a call to us to exercise compassion - to increase the compass or our compassion as one of my lamas once told me (i'm still trying to digest the ramifications of that one. believe me!)

I think the " moral of the story " is we tend to worry too much about the injustices we experience which are usually quite minor to the injustices others do. We should never excuse the injustices others experience.

*agreed 100% 

But perhaps should excuse the ones we do.*the reason i wrote the above.

 

We learn far more from the tragedies than the triumphs.  And at times perhaps the triumph, for ourselves anyway, is accepting the tragedies as just part of life.  But we should never excuse others in order to excuse ourselves.

*exactly. and hi to thawstone2

-- mirror facing mirror

nowhere else ~ Ikkyu

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I don't think of life in terms of Karma, I think of it in terms of pain vs pleasure. I think life is like going for a hike. No matter what route you take, by the time you get back to the point where you started, the uphill parts of the trek will exactly equal the downhill parts. The same applies to pain and pleasure. No matter whether you're rich or poor, educated or illiterit, born in New York or the Kalahari Desert, by the time you exit the planet the pain you experience will equal the pleasure. Pain and pleasure are such relative experiences it is difficult to quantify or recognize what constitutes either between wide cultural and economic spectrums, but no matter the perception, in the end the ledger will be balanced. I think of going to the dentist

as making a deposit at the pain bank. It gives you a more positive attitude about pain when know your deposit ensures future pleasure. The trick is to have selective amnesia and not let your pleasureable moments be tainted by thoughts of future payments.

[Guest guest]

so they come 'from outside', do they... pain and pleasure?a carefully doled out 'given'... by whom ( or should i say Whom?)...as to their equal measure, i think maybe you should look again... try starting with Darfur, for example, and the streets of Calcutta.

-- mirror facing mirror

nowhere else 

~ Ikkyu

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[Guest guest]

Please allow me to introduce myself. I'm a man of wealth

and tastes… kidding. I went back a little way in the

posting archives to try to get a feel for this group

before attempting to jump in, but my time is somewhat

limited, so what the hell, here goes.

I'll try not to waste your time by talking about myself or

my experiences in a way that is not directly related to

the topic at hand. I would, however, like to give everyone

a chance to talk about themselves. What interest me the

most is hearing about other people's numinous experiences.

If , as a group, you've grown sick of hearing each other's

stories but wouldn't mind relating them to fresh ears, you

could send them directly to me.

I would like to make a comment about the latest topic of

injustice. Obviously the grandmother in the story doesn't

believe in Karma for herself or else she'd be worried

about the price of failing to correct the injustice when

it came to light. The grandmother's response that she's

just a tool of the children's Karma is probably the same

excuse used by many of the world's greatest despots. In

the words of another great philosopher:

"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to

people all day long and I assume they deserve it." -

Dogbert

Greetings:

"Sympathy for the devil" is actually kind of a "Jungian" sentiment,

imo - know the shadow, don't just project it out. It's you, too.

Good old Dogbert, consistent voice of the shadow. I've learned a lot

from .

Welcome, cheers.

Dan Watkins