Re: Letting Oneself Off the Hook/Hilary

[Guest guest]

> This is difficult to express clearly in words

No. It is quite easy to express in words.

> but Andy - it isn't easy. It never was.

The expressing of it is, and has always been, easy.

However, the actualization of it usually is not.

> What the heck do you think all this was and is and will be

> about?

> Guts, dear boy. Guts.

Whose guts?

Where did those guts come from?

If one doesn't have the guts, is that one's fault?

This is not, nor has ever been, about guts.

It is about Recognizing grace.

Anything else feeds the ego and perpetuates confusion.

[Guest guest]

Well, you know the answer: have it your way - oh wait - well, you know the

rest.

Check your story

H

Re: Letting Oneself Off the Hook/

> This is difficult to express clearly in words

No. It is quite easy to express in words.

> but Andy - it isn't easy. It never was.

The expressing of it is, and has always been, easy.

However, the actualization of it usually is not.

> What the heck do you think all this was and is and will be

> about?

> Guts, dear boy. Guts.

Whose guts?

Where did those guts come from?

If one doesn't have the guts, is that one's fault?

This is not, nor has ever been, about guts.

It is about Recognizing grace.

Anything else feeds the ego and perpetuates confusion.

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[Guest guest]

> Well, you know the answer: have it your way - oh wait - well, you

> know the rest.

This is not about having it " my way. "

What is this list about?

In part, dialogue (not a debate, an exploration into ideas that ~ if I

may remind you ~ YOU posed)......

..........dialogue wherein each party responds to the questions and

ideas posed by the other.

You are making statements about how you see things. That's cool;

can't argue with that.

Then, when asked to elucidate them, you are transparently

side-stepping each comment you made. I'm not clear on whether this is

because you are being cute or because you simply have no basis on

which to explain your statements. Is it that you just like how they

sound?

My evidence?

Regarding YOUR comment about " letting oneself off the hook, " which YOU

asserted one can do, I inquired of you:

" Explain how this happens. What is the first step in letting oneself

off the hook? What initiates the movement? "

to which you did not respond.

In regard to your statement which asserted that " this " is about

" having guts, " I asked you:

" Whose guts? Where did those guts come from? If one doesn't have the

guts, is that one's fault? "

To which you replied, " Well, you know the answer. "

I was asking you what answer YOU see. After all, YOU made the statement.

Kindly have the..........guts........to respond. Else

this.....interchange is not dialogue but is reduced to avoidance on

your part.

If you make a statement, if you engage a conversation, kindly back up

your comments else they appear to be vacuous or fatuous.

[Guest guest]

Read this again: the response is there

Intent

Statement of intent

Pray for a crisis

You are fighting yourself.

The post is here: look at the facts.

Thank you for being a clear demonstration.

H

Re: Letting Oneself Off the Hook/

> Well, you know the answer: have it your way - oh wait - well, you

> know the rest.

This is not about having it " my way. "

What is this list about?

In part, dialogue (not a debate, an exploration into ideas that ~ if I

may remind you ~ YOU posed)......

..........dialogue wherein each party responds to the questions and

ideas posed by the other.

You are making statements about how you see things. That's cool;

can't argue with that.

Then, when asked to elucidate them, you are transparently

side-stepping each comment you made. I'm not clear on whether this is

because you are being cute or because you simply have no basis on

which to explain your statements. Is it that you just like how they

sound?

My evidence?

Regarding YOUR comment about " letting oneself off the hook, " which YOU

asserted one can do, I inquired of you:

" Explain how this happens. What is the first step in letting oneself

off the hook? What initiates the movement? "

to which you did not respond.

In regard to your statement which asserted that " this " is about

" having guts, " I asked you:

" Whose guts? Where did those guts come from? If one doesn't have the

guts, is that one's fault? "

To which you replied, " Well, you know the answer. "

I was asking you what answer YOU see. After all, YOU made the statement.

Kindly have the..........guts........to respond. Else

this.....interchange is not dialogue but is reduced to avoidance on

your part.

If you make a statement, if you engage a conversation, kindly back up

your comments else they appear to be vacuous or fatuous.

[Guest guest]

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> Read this again: the response is there

>

> Intent

> Statement of intent

> Pray for a crisis

Why pray for a crisis?

[Guest guest]

Why? Because sometimes a crisis will tip the balance.

Eventually one has to let go. Do you remember that story that went round

the net a couple of times about the man found frozen, dead on a rope (he¹d

been climbing and fell) ­ if he had let go of the rope, he was, so the story

goes, 12 feet or so from the ground. Might have got a broken leg or two :-)

- but he¹d survive.

But one has to let go of the rope.

Love

H

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>> > Read this again: the response is there

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>> > Intent

>> > Statement of intent

>> > Pray for a crisis

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> Why pray for a crisis?

[Guest guest]

> Why? Because sometimes a crisis will tip the balance.

And sometimes is doesn't. What then?

What determines if a crisis does or does not tip the balance?

> Eventually one has to let go.

How does the letting go happen?

And what determines when the letting go happens?

[Guest guest]

C'mon Andy: you do. Not a moment sooner or later than you're ready. Look

at what your rope is.

H

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> Why? Because sometimes a crisis will tip the balance.

And sometimes is doesn't. What then?

What determines if a crisis does or does not tip the balance?

> Eventually one has to let go.

How does the letting go happen?

And what determines when the letting go happens?

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[Guest guest]

> C'mon Andy: you do. Not a moment sooner or later than you're ready.

> Look at what your rope is.

I have a rope?

How do you know that?

Is aware of who has a rope and who doesn't have a rope?

[Guest guest]

Well, and this is really all*, " What do you think " ? :-)

H

*although I won't be bound to that

Re: Letting Oneself Off the Hook/

> C'mon Andy: you do. Not a moment sooner or later than you're ready.

> Look at what your rope is.

I have a rope?

How do you know that?

Is aware of who has a rope and who doesn't have a rope?

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[Guest guest]

> Well, and this is really all*, " What do you think " ? :-)

No. No. No.

Hey, Hiliary, what are you so afraid of?

Why all the side-stepping?

You made a statement and I inquired into it. Interested in having a

two-way give and take, I asked YOU for more explication. And how did

you respond? With a question.

If you are unable or unwilling to answer, then this conversation is over.

[Guest guest]

Chuckling ... who DO you think you're talking to?

H

And by the way, if memory serves, I think you might have been the one who

started it :-)

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> Well, and this is really all*, " What do you think " ? :-)

No. No. No.

Hey, Hiliary, what are you so afraid of?

Why all the side-stepping?

You made a statement and I inquired into it. Interested in having a

two-way give and take, I asked YOU for more explication. And how did

you respond? With a question.

If you are unable or unwilling to answer, then this conversation is over.

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