Re: new flat question - Industrial cleaning to mold free

[Guest guest]

Not me. I've had the tendency to catch whatever is blowing around. But since

weaning off steroids that has improved somewhat. Any thoughts on what it may

mean one way or the other?

Sam

Yes. Me too. I haven't had a cold or flu since I was exposed.

[Guest guest]

This topic has come up before, so yes. I have had that where I have felt awful,

and tired and fear a cold because I feel so weak and yet never get one, even

through flu season. I came to believe my immune system was typed by anxiety.

Perhaps anxiety caused by mold exposure or perhaps other reasons but I sure

didn't feel well at all, so it surprised me greatly. Now I am the other way. I

can't 'throw' anything. For me, I think change came when I was put on a

prescription medicine that had a side affect of suppressing my immune system. I

got sick on it and then essentially have never felt well since then, even though

for a while I was alot worse and have recovered some better health, but

definately not back to where I was before taking that medicine.

>

> Have you guys ever noticed that you don't get colds, even when people in

> your household get them? I haven't had a cold or any virus since I became so

> sick from mold-anyone else have that experience??

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 06:48 PM 5/31/2009, you wrote:

>This topic has come up before, so yes. I have had that where I have

>felt awful, and tired and fear a cold because I feel so weak

My weakness I know is caused by swelling of the nerves in the spine, causing

weaker signals to the muscles. On good days, I am strong. On bad days

I can not hold my arm out at full length without pain in the small of my back.

Inflammation is the root of many of our symptoms. Treatment with herbs

works wonders, diet too, and supplements pull up third, in my opinion.

>and yet never get one, even through flu season. I came to believe my

>immune system was typed by anxiety.

I still feel that way. But I am less anxious, and now do not get

colds or flus.

I also cook my fish and chicken very well, and I think that is why I do not

get flus much. Google for more info the flu virus living in mostly fish and

chicken, and you get it from under cooked, or barely cooked fish or bird.

My flus stopped when I stopped each fish and chicken. When I resumed

I got flus again. Then I cook the meat well, and no flu in about 5 years.

>was put on a prescription medicine that had a side affect of

>suppressing my immune system.

Immune systems like ours, with a small communication snafu for some very few

external substances, do not do well with many immune drugs. It's like a car.

If your car is running rough, one adds oil, not remove oil.

The immune system has about 10,000 components. We only have 1 in that 10,000

going wrong (well most of us, a few have 2 or 3, but these have huge symptoms).

Most of us have saturated MAST cell binding sites. See my post last month.

>I got sick on it and then essentially have never felt well since

>then, even though for a while I was alot worse and have recovered

>some better health, but definately not back to where I was before

>taking that medicine.

Most western meds have a detox method available from other modalities,

to remove it from the body. Takes about 1-4 weeks, and can be done

years later, or so I have been told. I first heard of this for childhood

vaccines. You know that vaccine scar on your shoulder? Those

go away after one detoxes. The theory is the disease of the vaccine

is located at that injection point, a colony, and prevents the body's

normal healing process. I've had two people tell me their scar

went away. Google for this.

[Guest guest]

At 06:46 PM 5/31/2009, you wrote:

>Not me. I've had the tendency to catch whatever is blowing around.

>But since weaning off steroids that has improved somewhat. Any

>thoughts on what it may mean one way or the other?

Steroids - bad voodoo. Very strong medicine. Impacts many organs in

the body, to

varying degrees, while masking symptoms. Every one I know who wean

off steroids

to natural equivalents over a 2-6 month period had 50-80 of their

symptoms go away.

They all realized that at least 50% or more of they symptoms started after they

got on the steroids.

The first edition of the Vitamin Bible book had an equivalent section, but not

the 2nd or 3rd. I considered that section key to getting off

drugs. It was only

4-5 pages long, in the back, like an after thought. Since then I google for

the same information. Then I take both and reduce dose of the med over

time.

To know why the steroid have you illnesses, you'd have to post which one.

Or google for side effects yourself. There are about 100 base steroids, hazy

recall, and they have vastly differing effects on the body, but have immediate

and big effects, and why the substance gets called a steroid, as it's powerful

effects on the body. Hormones are the same.

[Guest guest]

,

Have you heard of what these detox modalities are that can have such a strong

impact in 1-4 weeks? Is it similar to the sauna type protocols that Dr. Rea and

Dr. Leiberman use?

Thanks,

Sam

Most western meds have a detox method available from other modalities,

to remove it from the body. Takes about 1-4 weeks, and can be done

years later, or so I have been told.

[Guest guest]

I agree steroids are horrid. I know in some cases it can keep us alive or reduce

symptoms but mainstream med has little alternative or interest in weaning you

off for all the reason that we're to aware of. I've done everything I can to

reduce my need for it due to asthma. The final straw actually happened by

accident when I came down with the flu and was getting worse after steroid

treatments. So, I stopped to give it a break for a few days and low and behold

felt better and stayed off a little longer and so on and found that even my use

of rescue inhalers reduced by more than 50% and even more as time went on. I

worried at times that I didn't wean myself off as you wrote, but seemed to work

ok, although I'd had some pretty severe fatigue afterwards for many months and

still do at times. I'd worried that I should have weaned myself but was feeling

so much better was afraid to backslide and just enjoying any kind of improvment.

And that leads me to this question that has always botthered me about steroid

use; Isn't it's purpose to reduce inflamation by replacing the low levels of

cortisol that are depleted due to stressed, fatigued or non-functioning

adrenals? And wouldn't one also be able to mimic the positive effects of reduced

inflamation by using natural adrenal or cortisol supplements? This way you would

avoid the immuno-suppressing side-effects of long-term synthetic steroid use.

Natural cortisol extracts were many years ago a common therapy for asthma; which

I'd only found out recently. With that in mind; has anyone heard of, or used

adrenal supplementation to improve any effects of mold and/or chemical exposure?

Thanks,

Sam

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Steroids - bad voodoo. Very strong medicine. Impacts many organs in

the body, to

varying degrees, while masking symptoms.

[Guest guest]

At 11:08 AM 6/1/2009, you wrote:

>Have you heard of what these detox modalities are that can have such

>a strong impact in 1-4 weeks? Is it similar to the sauna type

>protocols that Dr. Rea and Dr. Leiberman use?

Most are identical to what would be used to cure the disease.

They complement the drug, working by different mechanism, most times,

or so they think. Other drugs have different methods. Spans a wide range

I heard. So, a catch all solution does not work. It's an oral pill you put

in your mouth in most cases, as that is the bulk of homeopathy. It can

be supplemented by other methods. Sometimes you have to take 2-4

homeopathics, a few to protect other organs, or aiding the detox, or...

I do not have " more " info, and you'll be on your own with google.

I just posted the info in case you are of a mind to try it, or to

find out more.

I know people who are western med only, and are willing to die for this

devotion. So, my posts are information, not intended to raise hope.

Heat detox works on " everything " in the body. But it also energizes

everything,

meaning a drug that localizes will be detox by distribution through out the

blood system, meaning organs that should not get much of dose, might

do a little poorly. Which is why detox has detox symptoms. Nothing new.

If you do use heat detox with other detox methods... watch out.

Speeding up the detox, or changing the detox pathways to what is not

expected may give unexpected results. One example is too much toxin

in the blood, and damage to organs.

Follow the instructions. Get more info. Play it safe. Go slow and

test first.

[Guest guest]

At 11:25 AM 6/1/2009, you wrote:

>I agree steroids are horrid. I know in some cases it can keep us

>alive or reduce symptoms but mainstream med has little alternative

>or interest in weaning you off for all the reason that we're to

>aware of. I've done everything I can to reduce my need for it due to

>asthma. The final straw actually happened by accident when I came

>down with the flu and was getting worse after steroid treatments.

>So, I stopped to give it a break for a few days and low and behold

>felt better and stayed off a little longer and so on and found that

>even my use of rescue inhalers reduced by more than 50% and even

>more as time went on. I worried at times that I didn't wean myself

>off as you wrote, but seemed to work ok, although I'd had some

>pretty severe fatigue afterwards for many months and still do at times.

Two things. Weaning off steroids is not what you think it is. Wish

I had more time.

Second, some steroids can be quickly stopped with no ill side

effects. Was yours?

Oh, treat yourself for this fatigue from two angles, one if it's a

side effect of withdrawal,

and two why were you taking steroids... continue treating that

condition. Just use

something milder than steroids. Google for such.

> I'd worried that I should have weaned myself but was feeling so

> much better was afraid to backslide and just enjoying any kind of improvment.

Yes. Very common with us. Good for you.

Question: Did you get the symptoms reduced or eliminated? That is,

you were taking steroids for a reason.

Did that reason go away?

>And that leads me to this question that has always botthered me

>about steroid use; Isn't it's purpose to reduce inflamation by

>replacing the low levels of cortisol

There are a few steroids, out of many, that fall into this

class. Most steroids are not cortisol based.

So, I can not answer the question per your steroid use, unless you

say the name of the particular

type of steroid you were taking. Even then I would have to research

it, unless it was the one

steroid I know about (cortisol based - I've shots, oral, and topic

usage... now I none of those

preferring more natural treatments, slower acting, and I would use

topical cortisol steroids

if life threatening, but never oral again, and shots into muscles are

okay, at reduced dose.)

>that are depleted due to stressed, fatigued or non-functioning

>adrenals? And wouldn't one also be able to mimic the positive

>effects of reduced inflamation by using natural adrenal or cortisol

>supplements?

I can not say definitely.

>This way you would avoid the immuno-suppressing side-effects of

>long-term synthetic steroid use. Natural cortisol extracts were many

>years ago a common therapy for asthma; which I'd only found out

>recently. With that in mind; has anyone heard of, or used adrenal

>supplementation to improve any effects of mold and/or chemical exposure?

Try ACE drops. $45 for 1 ounce, and lasts 1 month. Most people have great

results in the first month. ACE drops are hard to find. ACE extracts are

available and do much the same. I've done both. And there are ACE

precursors, even cheaper.

Which to take? It all depends where your internal systems are broken.

Do only one at a time.

I did ACE drops for 3 months. 8 months later I tried them again... no gain.

I had acheived a new level of organ health and did not need the drops.

So, I tried a powder precursor, and did well for 1 month. Tried it again

4 months later, no gain. Again I had renormalized my adrenal system

enough to not need them.

Most ACE are beef derived, so if you anti mad cow....

[Guest guest]

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: Your comment about stopping some steroids abruptly is disturbing to me.

If people take steroids for a length of time, your body becomes dependent on

them because they cause your adrenals to shut down. SO, stopping them abruptly

is not only a bad idea but can be LIFE THREATENING. Do you have any medical

training?? Best not to give medical advice if you do not. D

In , <pete-@...> wrote:

>

> At 11:25 AM 6/1/2009, you wrote:

>

>

> >I agree steroids are horrid. I know in some cases it can keep us

> >alive or reduce symptoms but mainstream med has little alternative

> >or interest in weaning you off for all the reason that we're to

> >aware of. I've done everything I can to reduce my need for it due to

>

[Guest guest]

I took steroids for a year and they finally weaned me off a little at a

time. Do not just stop.

Janet

In a message dated 6/3/2009 7:40:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

dianebolton@... writes:

---

: Your comment about stopping some steroids abruptly is disturbing to

me. If people take steroids for a length of time, your body becomes

dependent on them because they cause your adrenals to shut down. SO, stopping

them abruptly is not only a bad idea but can be LIFE THREATENING. Do you have

any medical training?? Best not to give medical advice if you do not. D

In _@ic_ (mailto: ) ,

<pete-@pet> wrote:

>

> At 11:25 AM 6/1/2009, you wrote:

>

>

> >I agree steroids are horrid. I know in some cases it can keep us

> >alive or reduce symptoms but mainstream med has little alternative

> >or interest in weaning you off for all the reason that we're to

> >aware of. I've done everything I can to reduce my need for it due to

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Diane,

I have to step in here and take the hit, as did not write the comment

below. I did. But I did not write it as a recommendation at all and even shared

my concern for my own ignorance about it being a dumb move on my part a few

sentences later; " I'd worried that I should have weaned myself but was feeling

so much

better was afraid to backslide and just enjoying any kind of improvment. "

I have no wish to offer any medical advice and was sharing this info as a means

of understanding the implications. To further clarify (which I should have

before), I was on a lower dose steroid inhaler which and not any medications

like prednisone. Again, my lack of clarity sometimes gets me in trouble and I

apologize. Certainly a longer period of weaning would have been preferable for

sure. I get that now. I do not claim to know what I'm doing and apologize if it

came off in any way that I was offering advise as opposed to looking for

feedback.  And, I do agree with you about the kind of advice we need to be

careful of giving. Never my intent. I do thank you for your feedback. I hope

that I haven't done myself any harm nor anyone else. I have been on some

medically advised adrenal support for some time as well. Hopefully that has

helped to minimize problems. Thanks again and again my apologies.

Sam

: Your comment about stopping some steroids abruptly is disturbing to me.

[Guest guest]

Diane, sorry, have been away ,the pacific yurts are made of fabric and wood, and

very expensive, would not recomend them for any moldy. Please refer to Shelter

Systems tent info I sent you-only way to go. The hexy-yurt -you must google. It

is a home made structure for $200 made out of insulation panels taped together.

My land mate made a cement floor, then we taped the panels together-put a tarp

over it, then a shade cloth-staked down all around for stability-it is working

for him. -I find the least bit of water slides in between the plastic coating on

the panel and growes a microscopic amount of mold-enough for me to be out of

there.

-

-- In , " dianebolton52 " <dianebolton@...> wrote:

>

> ---

> : You stated " hexi-yurt working for the non-myco. " MY son just sent me

some information on yurts (made by Pacific, I think). For what reason do they

not work for the mycotoxin-sensitive? thanks D

[Guest guest]

---

Thank you Sam, for stepping up. I just did not want to see anyone get in trouble

healthwise with that statement. Steroids are tricky meds to say the least. Hope

your adrenal support is helping you. Take care D

In , Sam <yaddayadda53@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Diane,

>

> I have to step in here and take the hit, as did not write the comment

below. I did. But I did not write it as a recommendation at all and even shared

my concern for my own ignorance about it being a dumb move on my part a few

sentences later; " I'd worried that I should have weaned myself but was feeling

so much

> better was afraid to backslide and just enjoying any kind of improvment. "

>

[Guest guest]

At 10:12 AM 6/3/2009, you wrote:

>: Your comment about stopping some steroids abruptly is disturbing to me.

I did not post anything like that. Someone else might have.

I read nothing like what you said in this thread.

I did post the below that does agree with you:

Two things. Weaning off steroids is not what you think it is. Wish I

had more time.

Second, some steroids can be quickly stopped with no ill side

effects. Was yours?

I've included the rest of your post, so you can easily see that you

likely were responding not to my words, but to someone else's

quote that I included. However, even that quote does not have

anything I could read that has anything about " abrupt. "

> If people take steroids for a length of time, your body becomes

> dependent on them because they cause your adrenals to shut down.

> SO, stopping them abruptly is not only a bad idea but can be LIFE

> THREATENING. Do you have any medical training?? Best not to give

> medical advice if you do not. D

>

>In

><mailto:%40> ,

> <pete-@...> wrote:

> >

> > At 11:25 AM 6/1/2009, you wrote:

> >

> >

> > >I agree steroids are horrid. I know in some cases it can keep us

> > >alive or reduce symptoms but mainstream med has little alternative

> > >or interest in weaning you off for all the reason that we're to

> > >aware of. I've done everything I can to reduce my need for it due to

> >

[Guest guest]

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: After apologizing etc, I realize it WAS your comment afterall. In my

world abruptly and quickly mean the same thing. All this going back and forth

about it is nonsense, I was just stating that stopping steroids can be dangerous

if not done properly and wanted to make sure that everyone here knew that. D

In , <pete-@...> wrote:

>

> At 10:12 AM 6/3/2009, you wrote:

> >: Your comment about stopping some steroids abruptly is disturbing to

me.

>

> I did not post anything like that. Someone else might have.

> I read nothing like what you said in this thread.

>

> I did post the below that does agree with you:

>

> Two things. Weaning off steroids is not what you think it is. Wish I

> had more time.

> Second, some steroids can be quickly stopped with no ill side

> effects. Was yours?

>

> I've included the rest of your post, so you can easily see that you

> likely were responding not to my words, but to someone else's

> quote that I included. However, even that quote does not have

> anything I could read that has anything about " abrupt. "

>

>

>

> > If people take steroids for a length of time, your body becomes

> > dependent on them because they cause your adrenals to shut down.

> > SO, stopping them abruptly is not only a bad idea but can be LIFE

> > THREATENING. Do you have any medical training?? Best not to give

> > medical advice if you do not. D

> >

> >In

> ><mailto:%40> ,

> > <pete-@> wrote:

> > >

> > > At 11:25 AM 6/1/2009, you wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >I agree steroids are horrid. I know in some cases it can keep us

> > > >alive or reduce symptoms but mainstream med has little alternative

> > > >or interest in weaning you off for all the reason that we're to

> > > >aware of. I've done everything I can to reduce my need for it due to

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

" If people take steroids for a length of time, your body becomes dependent on

them because they cause your adrenals to shut down. SO, stopping them abruptly

is not only a bad idea but can be LIFE THREATENING. "

I go to the Fibromyalgia and Fatigue Center and I TAKE steroids. I take them for

adrenal insufficiency and a study has shown that adrenal steroid hormone

production is not decreased by the small amounts of replacement doses I take

(10-20 mg. per day of bio-identical hydrocortisone). Therefore I can stop

abruptly and would not be impacted. If you want I'll ask them to provide me with

the study and post it here.

" Do you have any medical training?? Best not to give medical advice if you do

not. D "

Good grief! I can't remember the last time I have found wisdom in conventional

medicine. When you work for profit and the pharmaceutical company health is not

a motivating factor. It's called conflict of interest and doctors are more

concerned with

a.) Keeping their license;

b.) Profits.

The health of the patient has to come after these two conditions are met.

That's my opinion.

Anyone see how the FDA is going after General Mills and Cheerios because they

said eating Cheerios reduces your cholesterol? Our pharmaceutical company run

FDA is going after General Mills. " Hey, General Mills: If you want to say

Cheerios is " clinically proven to lower cholesterol, " you better get your

whole-grain Os approved as a new drug by the FDA. "

Now say what you like about the merits of this warning but I can certainly think

of better things the FDA could be doing with their resources (our tax dollars).

http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2009/05/12/fda-warns-general-mills-cheerios-is-a-dru\

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