Re: frustrated with ammonia problem in clothes

[Guest guest]

WE have to be SO careful of the advice we get on the internet!! I too have

taken advice from this group and it ended up being the worse advice! I use to

hear over and over on here to use vinegar for dandruff, skin fungus and etc.

Right before my 92 year old mother passed a few months ago, we were rubbing her

down with vinegar because we heard it was a cure for skin fungus which she had.

Come to find out, the vinegar actually feeds many fungus and yeast and makes it

grow more. She would been better off if we had gotten a cream from the drug

store. We ended up having to use a powerful cream on her. Skin funguses and

yeast are nothing to play with and should be treated by a professional or with a

medication created for its use. I know I would much rather take the " all

natural " route but it is not always the best route. Anyway, my point, we all

need to take what we know we can use on this group and other health groups and

research and leave the rest. As for me, I had no problem removing the ammonia

from my clothing when we used it but there are many factors to consider. We have

pretty good water here in SC so I am sure that helps. When we lived in S.

Florida, I could not even remove the soap from my body after taking a shower

because the water was so hard. So, what works for one will not work for all

locations and for all people. We are all so different. I know many like to use

vinegar for cleaning. I keep it for small jobs but it about kills me to use it

for mopping and where it will leave a lot of fumes. I have the same problem

with ammonia and bleach.

>

> A while back we lost everything to a cross contamination of mycotoxins.

> We moved, through everything out, etc etc. It was a very " mild " cross

> contamination but I'm acutely sensitive. We threw out all our clothes.

>

> At the suggestion of a few people, I used a cup of ammonia in the laundry

> with our NEW clothes (this is in a new rental, so no mycotoxins). It is

> literally months later and because I have MCS, I actually am still reacting to

> the ammonia in all our new clothes. It's a different reaction than to

> mycotoxins. I've tried repeated washings, soaking in vinegar, putting in

> dryer, baking in sun...and we just don't have the money to keep throwing out

> clothes and starting again, especially my husband's work clothes.

>

> It's clear that ammonia is not great for everyone, especially people with

> MCS, and I learned the hard way. But I wanted to prevent the mycotoxin

> problem from happening again.

>

> Has anyone dealt with this and found a solution?

>

> Thanks

> Jill

> **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place

> where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jill and Jackie,

Powerful reminders of how individual this is for each of us. What

works for one may not work for another.

30 years ago one of my friends was the sickest I'd ever seen,

even after all these years. She found a nutritional which was near

miraculous! I got some for myself and with the greatest of hopes

began taking it.

But a strange thing happened. After a few days I began

experiencing short bursts (2-3 seconds that seemed like hours)

of EXTREME depression. Not just psychologically but with

intense pain that felt like the very middle of the insides of my

brain were being squeezed by a vice quickly tightening.

I stopped taking the " miracle " drug and by the next day the event

was totally gone. I've never had that experience again.

We must all carefully and individually test anything new before we

use it, never taking anyone's miracle experience as true for

ourselves. Nutritionals, cleaning products, mold removal

methods, foods, personal care products, new furnishings,

computers, everything. That is the only sure way to know.

Yesterday is an example of how easy we can get messed up. A

remediation company under my direct oversight for compliance of

my written instructions started to use a cleaning liquid. I stopped

them and asked what it was. They said, " It's what my supervisor

told me to use because it's safer. "

What is it?

I don't know.

Have you allowed the owner to test it?

No, why?

Because they might be reactive. Remember that they are elderly

and have severe asthma. Do you want to be responsible for their

emergency room visit if they react?

But I have to do what my supervisor says.

My protocol is what your supervisor has agreed to and my

protocol says NO chemical can be used without a signed

statement from both the owner and me.

But it's not a chemical, it's for cleaning mold.

(and so on. You get the picture). We found a different cleaning

product (non-fragranced detergent and water) which tested okay

for my client and the job was completed successfully.

Test a tiny area first.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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>

>

>

>

> WE have to be SO careful of the advice we get on the internet!! I too have

taken advice from this group and it

> ended up being the worse advice! I use to hear over and over on here to use

vinegar for dandruff, skin fungus

> and etc. Right before my 92 year old mother passed a few months ago, we were

rubbing her down with

> vinegar because we heard it was a cure for skin fungus which she had. Come to

find out, the vinegar actually

> feeds many fungus and yeast and makes it grow more. She would been better off

if we had gotten a cream

> from the drug store. We ended up having to use a powerful cream on her. Skin

funguses and yeast are

> nothing to play with and should be treated by a professional or with a

medication created for its use. I know I

> would much rather take the " all natural " route but it is not always the best

route. Anyway, my point, we all

> need to take what we know we can use on this group and other health groups and

research and leave the rest.

> As for me, I had no problem removing the ammo

>

> >

> > A while back we lost everything to a cross contamination of mycotoxins.

> > We moved, through everything out, etc etc. It was a very " mild " cross

> > contamination but I'm acutely sensitive. We threw out all our clothes.

> >

> > At the suggestion of a few people, I used a cup of ammonia in the laundry

> > with our NEW clothes (this is in a new rental, so no mycotoxins). It is

> > literally months later and because I have MCS, I actually am still reacting

to

> > the ammonia in all our new clothes. It's a different reaction than to

> > mycotoxins. I've tried repeated washings, soaking in vinegar, putting in

> > dryer, baking in sun...and we just don't have the money to keep throwing out

> > clothes and starting again, especially my husband's work clothes.

> >

> > It's clear that ammonia is not great for everyone, especially people with

> > MCS, and I learned the hard way. But I wanted to prevent the mycotoxin

> > problem from happening again.

> >

> > Has anyone dealt with this and found a solution?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Jill

> > **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place

> > where pets rule! (http://www.pawnatio n.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008)

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi

 

    I am very sensitive, I have HP.  I was my clothes in baking soda, borax and

washing soda with a litle Ecover dish soap, I soak the wash, then I soak the

rinse in part water and white vinager ( I keep it mixed) it smells less then I

add 15 drops of GSE to the rinse I soak no less than 15 minutes.    My clothes

do not bother me

 

 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: jackiebreeze <jackiebreeze@...>

Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 2:43:32 PM

Subject: [] Re: frustrated with ammonia problem in clothes

WE have to be SO careful of the advice we get on the internet!! I too have taken

advice from this group and it ended up being the worse advice! I use to hear

over and over on here to use vinegar for dandruff, skin fungus and etc. Right

before my 92 year old mother passed a few months ago, we were rubbing her down

with vinegar because we heard it was a cure for skin fungus which she had. Come

to find out, the vinegar actually feeds many fungus and yeast and makes it grow

more. She would been better off if we had gotten a cream from the drug store. We

ended up having to use a powerful cream on her. Skin funguses and yeast are

nothing to play with and should be treated by a professional or with a

medication created for its use. I know I would much rather take the " all

natural " route but it is not always the best route. Anyway, my point, we all

need to take what we know we can use on this group and other health groups and

research and leave the rest. As for

me, I had no problem removing the ammonia from my clothing when we used it but

there are many factors to consider. We have pretty good water here in SC so I am

sure that helps. When we lived in S. Florida, I could not even remove the soap

from my body after taking a shower because the water was so hard. So, what works

for one will not work for all locations and for all people. We are all so

different. I know many like to use vinegar for cleaning. I keep it for small

jobs but it about kills me to use it for mopping and where it will leave a lot

of fumes. I have the same problem with ammonia and bleach.

>

> A while back we lost everything to a cross contamination of mycotoxins.

> We moved, through everything out, etc etc. It was a very " mild " cross

> contamination but I'm acutely sensitive. We threw out all our clothes.

>

> At the suggestion of a few people, I used a cup of ammonia in the laundry

> with our NEW clothes (this is in a new rental, so no mycotoxins). It is

> literally months later and because I have MCS, I actually am still reacting to

> the ammonia in all our new clothes. It's a different reaction than to

> mycotoxins. I've tried repeated washings, soaking in vinegar, putting in

> dryer, baking in sun...and we just don't have the money to keep throwing out

> clothes and starting again, especially my husband's work clothes.

>

> It's clear that ammonia is not great for everyone, especially people with

> MCS, and I learned the hard way. But I wanted to prevent the mycotoxin

> problem from happening again.

>

> Has anyone dealt with this and found a solution?

>

> Thanks

> Jill

> ************ **It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place

> where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

The problem I believe is while we have MCS we have gotten it in different ways,

so how we got it affects how it is treated which is in my opinion why we all

react differently on treatments, why vinager works for some but is toxic to

others. 

Here is mold avoidance diet from another site:

http://www.mold-survivor.com/dietcopyright.html

http://www.ctds.info/mold_allergy_treatment.html

Take information and cross reference with your initial exposure or how you

became ill, this is just my view.   For eample honey is d to used as an

antibiotic, works for some but my Doc says it is classified as a mold, I found

out the hard way.

 

 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...>

Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 4:18:32 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: frustrated with ammonia problem in clothes

Jill and Jackie,

Powerful reminders of how individual this is for each of us. What

works for one may not work for another.

30 years ago one of my friends was the sickest I'd ever seen,

even after all these years. She found a nutritional which was near

miraculous! I got some for myself and with the greatest of hopes

began taking it.

But a strange thing happened. After a few days I began

experiencing short bursts (2-3 seconds that seemed like hours)

of EXTREME depression. Not just psychologically but with

intense pain that felt like the very middle of the insides of my

brain were being squeezed by a vice quickly tightening.

I stopped taking the " miracle " drug and by the next day the event

was totally gone. I've never had that experience again.

We must all carefully and individually test anything new before we

use it, never taking anyone's miracle experience as true for

ourselves. Nutritionals, cleaning products, mold removal

methods, foods, personal care products, new furnishings,

computers, everything. That is the only sure way to know.

Yesterday is an example of how easy we can get messed up. A

remediation company under my direct oversight for compliance of

my written instructions started to use a cleaning liquid. I stopped

them and asked what it was. They said, " It's what my supervisor

told me to use because it's safer. "

What is it?

I don't know.

Have you allowed the owner to test it?

No, why?

Because they might be reactive. Remember that they are elderly

and have severe asthma. Do you want to be responsible for their

emergency room visit if they react?

But I have to do what my supervisor says.

My protocol is what your supervisor has agreed to and my

protocol says NO chemical can be used without a signed

statement from both the owner and me.

But it's not a chemical, it's for cleaning mold.

(and so on. You get the picture). We found a different cleaning

product (non-fragranced detergent and water) which tested okay

for my client and the job was completed successfully.

Test a tiny area first.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

>

>

>

>

> WE have to be SO careful of the advice we get on the internet!! I too have

taken advice from this group and it

> ended up being the worse advice! I use to hear over and over on here to use

vinegar for dandruff, skin fungus

> and etc. Right before my 92 year old mother passed a few months ago, we were

rubbing her down with

> vinegar because we heard it was a cure for skin fungus which she had. Come to

find out, the vinegar actually

> feeds many fungus and yeast and makes it grow more. She would been better off

if we had gotten a cream

> from the drug store. We ended up having to use a powerful cream on her. Skin

funguses and yeast are

> nothing to play with and should be treated by a professional or with a

medication created for its use. I know I

> would much rather take the " all natural " route but it is not always the best

route. Anyway, my point, we all

> need to take what we know we can use on this group and other health groups and

research and leave the rest.

> As for me, I had no problem removing the ammo

>

> >

> > A while back we lost everything to a cross contamination of mycotoxins.

> > We moved, through everything out, etc etc. It was a very " mild " cross

> > contamination but I'm acutely sensitive. We threw out all our clothes.

> >

> > At the suggestion of a few people, I used a cup of ammonia in the laundry

> > with our NEW clothes (this is in a new rental, so no mycotoxins). It is

> > literally months later and because I have MCS, I actually am still reacting

to

> > the ammonia in all our new clothes. It's a different reaction than to

> > mycotoxins. I've tried repeated washings, soaking in vinegar, putting in

> > dryer, baking in sun...and we just don't have the money to keep throwing out

> > clothes and starting again, especially my husband's work clothes.

> >

> > It's clear that ammonia is not great for everyone, especially people with

> > MCS, and I learned the hard way. But I wanted to prevent the mycotoxin

> > problem from happening again.

> >

> > Has anyone dealt with this and found a solution?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Jill

> > ************ **It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place

> > where pets rule! (http://www.pawnatio n.com/?ncid= emlcntnew0000000 8)

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

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K: How much powdered milk do you use and is it to remove odors? I find when my

clothes get intolerable I just HAVE to trash them and start over, nothing seems

to work. Have never tried milk. D

In , a Townsend <kmtown2003@...> wrote:

>

> Jill, Have you tried soaking them in powdered milk??  I have not done this

myself but I remember someone mentiuoning this and its cheap.

> K

>