Re: detoxify trichothecenes an other mold toxins

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Hope: What is Clear Body, Clear Mind?? Thanks Diane

In , gs1 <grapeseed1@...> wrote:

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> I have read about fiber, sauna, perhaps water to detoxify mold toxins. Is

there a most effective protocol to do so? Clear Body Clear Mind is mostly for

chemicals?

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Clear Body, Clear Mind is he name of a book.

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Hi,

We went through an intense 5 wk bio detox in SC and a large part was sauna

for 3hrs a day to melt the lipids where the toxins are stored. It was very

intense and can be dangerous, we were monitored the whole time we were in

the sauna as when the toxins start to be released you can get very ill. Our

vitals were checked constantly. The sauna however is nowhere near as

efficient for detoxing unless you take all the supplements for dragging the

toxins out of your body.

If you would like some more info, please contact me.

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On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 8:20 PM, gs1 <grapeseed1@...> wrote:

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where did u have that done, wendy?  and is it really expensive?  does insurance

pay?

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We went to see Dr Lieberman in his clinic called COEM www.coem.com in

ton South Carolina. It is expensive, although they don't take

insurance, they prepare all the documents with diagnosis codes etc so you

can submit them to insurance and depending on your carrier, they will cover

part or all. You also have to find lodging as you do not stay in the clinic.

In total I think we paid $7200 per person for the detox and $1000 per week

on hotels. I will tell you though it is the best money I have ever spent!!

I was extremely ill before we went through detox-now I am not 100% but doing

a whole lot better - now I can function.

Hope this helps, feel free to contact me if you have any more questions.

On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Frohna <vafrohna@...> wrote:

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Do they use infrared saunas at COEM?

Thanks,

Sam

Hi,

We went through an intense 5 wk bio detox in SC and a large part was sauna

for 3hrs a day to melt the lipids where the toxins are stored.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sam,

No they use dry heat saunas, I know there is a reason, unfortunately can't

remember why??

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On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Sam <yaddayadda53@...> wrote:

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I have called Dr Liebermans clinic out of total desperation. I recovered fine

after my moldy home, it took awhile and a lot of CSM.That was many years ago.

But as a now hypersensitive person, I now succumb to less and less mold it is

called " sicker, quicker " . I can get myself healthy, I just can't stay that way,

the longest I have had is 10 months. Something always happens, some small bit of

mold starts growing, and my life is in crisis mode again. Dr Shoe is studying

the problem, as was Dr Markinoff. This is what I want help with. Does anyone

know anyone who has been helped with this issue? I asked the nurse and she said

they could help, but I just got the feeling she did not know what I was talking

about, she kept taling about MCS. I am going to call her back and ask for

references from people cured of sicker quicker, but would be nice if you had

heard of any.

THANKS,

-- In , Meng <moldsick@...> wrote:

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> We went to see Dr Lieberman in his clinic called COEM www.coem.com in

> ton South Carolina. It is expensive, although they don't take

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Hi ,

Dr Lieberman told me when I left that if I get exposed to the same kind of

mold again, I will get even sicker than I was before, he said subsequent

exposures will make me worse and in a shorter amount of time. That sounds

like sicker quicker to me? I think the first step though would be detoxing

and then at least you would have a healthier body to fight with. Just an

opinion from my own experience, you should schedule a phone consult with Dr

L, he is brilliant and I'm sure able to help.

Good Luck ,

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On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:35 AM, <kdeanstudios@...> wrote:

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> I have called Dr Liebermans clinic out of total desperation. I recovered

> fine after my moldy home, it took awhile and a lot of CSM.That was many

> years ago. But as a now hypersensitive person, I now succumb to less and

> less mold it is called " sicker, quicker " . I can get myself healthy, I just

> can't stay that way, the longest I have had is 10 months. Something always

> happens, some small bit of mold starts growing, and my life is in crisis

> mode again. Dr Shoe is studying the problem, as was Dr Markinoff. This is

> what I want help with. Does anyone know anyone who has been helped with this

> issue? I asked the nurse and she said they could help, but I just got the

> feeling she did not know what I was talking about, she kept taling about

> MCS. I am going to call her back and ask for references from people cured of

> sicker quicker, but would be nice if you had heard of any.

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> THANKS,

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> Meng <moldsick@...> wrote:

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thanks, , but there's NO way I can afford that.

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I wonder if there is a fatty acid deficiency associated with the " sicker

quicker " phenomenon. I was told once that CSM can deplete those valuable

nutrients. I am no expert...just a thought. Fats the Heal, Fats that Kill by

Udos Erasmus, is a classic book. It advocates a broad spectrum of good fats in

the diet for good health. My kids have been able to tolerate more fats as their

health improves, and I mean healthy fats, as detailed in the book mentioned

above. There was a time when they didn't seem to tolerate fatty foods, but

avoiding such foods was not the best strategy in our case at least. Mold and

pesticides have been part of our illness. There are plenty of books on this

subject of course.

Best,

Kate

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I can tell you for sure that that fatty acid deficiency from CSM is not the

cause of 'sicker quicker'. I didn't take CSM because I couldn't tolerate it but

I used to live in a house that had visible mold in basement and garage from 1990

to 1999. I didn't know it would affect the house above. Also it wasn't my

house. I had moved there to take care of my aunt who had suffered a stroke and

couldn't function alone, and at my house she couldn't learn how to find her

room, operate the faucets, etc, so I moved to her house. All I did was develope

a bunch of allergies, whereas before I had no allergies, nor any history of

allergies in my family, but I took a medicine that had a side affect of

suppressing the immune system and I got very, very sick on it. It took several

years before I realized my symptoms were aligned with mold exposure. Basement

had already been fixed but the repair work may have caused higher exposure to

the mold, as no containment was practiced. Anyway after years of living around

it, now MOST buildings are intolerable to me. I eat a healthy diet, including

plenty of healthy fats. You can still take CSM and get the benefit of healthy

fats. You just have to time the fats and CSM far enough apart. Generally taken

them BEFORE you take the CSM and give them enough time to be completely

digested. CSM won't pull them out of the body, just inhibit their absorption in

the digestive tract if present at the same time. Once you absorb the fats, the

CSM doesn't pull them out of your body. I take CSM now if I have signs of new

trouble.

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> I wonder if there is a fatty acid deficiency associated with the " sicker

quicker " phenomenon. I was told once that CSM can deplete those valuable

nutrients. I am no expert...just a thought.

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Seems like all the protocols for mold exposure involve some form of detox

whether it is dr. Shoemaker's csm or Dr. Leiberman or Dr. Rae's methods with

sauna, etc. From Dr. Leiberman's point of view, like Dr. Shoemaker, it seems

like the " sicker quicker " effect would still be there despite the detox and/or

meds/supplements. Did Dr. Leiberman elaborate on that? No doubt, detox of some

sort could create a much healthier way of life, as it has for you and your

family. Just wondering.

Thanks,

Sam

he said subsequent exposures will make me worse and in a shorter amount of time.

That sounds like sicker quicker to me? I think the first step though would be

detoxing and then at least you would have a healthier body to fight with.

[Guest guest]

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I'd be curious. I will have to call them. I've read that infrared seems to be

able to operate at lower temps and supposedly can accomplish the same effects. I

think, correct me if I'm wrong, that it was only recently that Dr. Rae added

infrared to the complement of saunas that he uses. I'm sure that Dr. Leibermann

would have very good reasons for using one or the other.

Sam

No they use dry heat saunas, I know there is a reason, unfortunately can't

remember why??

[Guest guest]

Sam,

Dr Lieberman calls it the " total body load " with detox the plan is to reduce

the total load with the detox and enable your immune system to function

semi-normally again, unfortunately every time we get re-exposed to a " toxin "

car fumes,new plastic etc. The load starts up again and unfortunately when

you have already have a damaged immune system, the body reacts quicker and

stronger each time to the new invader-whatever that might be. For example I

was doing great last week-made a stupid decision to go to Home Depot on

Sunday and since have had severe inflammation and lymph swelling in my

neck,shoulders and under my arms. That exposure was too much for my immune

system and now every thing I am exposed to is affecting me 100% more than

before. It will take a week of laying low to allow my system to calm down

again, if I keep on going the numbness in my fingers and tremors will come

back and my symptoms will increase.

Detox was a huge help for my family, it allows me to live a somewhat normal

life as long as I don't expose myself too much-it I raise the load on my

body-then I get sick again. Sicker Quicker. Luckily the rest of my family

never developed MCS, so they don't have the same issues.

Again this isn't medical advice, just my experience.

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Sam <yaddayadda53@...> wrote:

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> Seems like all the protocols for mold exposure involve some form of detox

> whether it is dr. Shoemaker's csm or Dr. Leiberman or Dr. Rae's methods with

> sauna, etc. From Dr. Leiberman's point of view, like Dr. Shoemaker, it seems

> like the " sicker quicker " effect would still be there despite the detox

> and/or meds/supplements. Did Dr. Leiberman elaborate on that? No doubt,

> detox of some sort could create a much healthier way of life, as it has for

> you and your family. Just wondering.

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> he said subsequent exposures will make me worse and in a shorter amount of

> time. That sounds like sicker quicker to me? I think the first step though

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Dr.Rea has three saunas and only one is infrared. Some severely ill patients

cannot tolerate the high temps and the IR is better suited for them. From what I

was told at EHC the infrared somehow penetrates the tissue which is where the

toxins are stored, and the high temps are not as necessary with the IR. Either

kind of sauna will detoxify the body.

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able to operate at lower temps and supposedly can accomplish the same effects. I

think, correct me if I'm wrong, that it was only recently that Dr. Rae added

infrared to the complement of saunas that he uses. I'm sure that Dr. Leibermann

would have very good reasons for using one or the other.

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> No they use dry heat saunas, I know there is a reason, unfortunately can't

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Thanks Diane for clarifying. I don't know if this part is legend or there is

some truth to it, but I'd heard that high heat saunas can be a problem for

people with adrenal fatigue and that was a reason for using IFR saunas instead.

I just haven't as of yet found out if it is something ifr companies say or it

has any real truth to it. I wonder if that is in part why

some can't tolerate the higher temps?

Dr.Rea has three saunas and only one is infrared. Some severely ill patients

cannot tolerate the high temps and the IR is better suited for them. From what I

was told at EHC the infrared somehow penetrates the tissue which is where the

toxins are stored, and the high temps are not as necessary with the IR. Either

kind of sauna will detoxify the body.

[Guest guest]

Thank you , once again for sharing and being so articulate. Can't be easy

when you are not feeling well.

Are there specific protocols you follow when you have such a severe reaction to

a place like Home Depot? Do you have access to sauna or some supplements or meds

that you take to aid in your recovery?

Thanks again,

Sam

.....was doing great last week-made a stupid decision to go to Home Depot on

Sunday and since have had severe inflammation and lymph swelling in my

neck,shoulders and under my arms. That exposure was too much for my immune

system and now every thing I am exposed to is affecting me 100% more than

before. It will take a week of laying low to allow my system to calm down

[Guest guest]

Bob,

What is the emf output from the emitters? I'm guessing that it may vary to the

materials used? I'd heard that ceramic is the best for the far infrared but what

is in your experience the best for emf?

Do you know why Dr. Leibermann prefers the " tried and true " ?

Thanks,

Sam

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Some electro-magneticall y sensitive patients prefer sitting away from the

infrared. For full effects, you need to be relatively close to a FIR heater.

Some do better as it can help them sweat, and non-sweating or sweating

difficulty is not uncommon with MCS.

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: When I get a bad exposure like you did in Home Depot, I use a product

called Chem-Defense, it is a sublingual tablet that contains glutathione,

molybdenum and riboflavin. It is made by Source Naturals. www.sourcenaturals.com

You can put one under your tongue before you go in the store. It works VERY

well. Diane

In , Sam <yaddayadda53@...> wrote:

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> Thank you , once again for sharing and being so articulate. Can't be easy

when you are not feeling well.

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> Are there specific protocols you follow when you have such a severe reaction

to a place like Home Depot? Do you have access to sauna or some supplements or

meds that you take to aid in your recovery?

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> Thanks again,

> Sam

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> What is the emf output from the emitters?

Ceramic emitters and ceramic coated tubes have relatively low EMF's, usually in

the area of 1-4 mG measured 2 " -3 " away.

> I'm guessing that it may vary to the materials used?

It varies mostly based on the configuration of the heater rather than the base

material. Straight tubes, for example, tend to emit more than looped tubes.

> I'd heard that ceramic is the best for the far infrared but what is in your

experience the best for emf?

Ceramics are often better than carbon as regards EMFs, with the exception of

straight ceramic tubes, and they are better heaters in general due to greater

infrared output.

> Do you know why Dr. Leibermann prefers the " tried and true " ?

No, not other than it has worked well for him for a few decades now.