Re: Buldging eyes-

[Guest guest]

I don't know about the bulging eyes but I know when I was in my moldy

workplace my eyes would really hurt almost like something stuck in them. Since

medication and leaving I have had none of this in over 5 years!!!

Hi Everyone: There is a CVS pharmacy nearby where I buy water etc. and got

friendly with the pharmacist there over the last two years that I have

been here. The ceiling in the store is EXTREMELY moldy and I go in only for

water and exit quickly. The pharmacist knows why I am here and asked me

yesterday about her eyes swelling. Not the eyelids, but the eyeballs

themselves,

as if they are protruding from the socket. Do any of you know if this is a

mold-symptom? I cannot seem to find anything about this other than it

relating to cushings syndrome. (I know that can be from mold also) I would like

to help this woman and she is asking me because of what I went through

with my exposure. I told her to " get out " of the store asap and she said she

needed her job. Tough one. Anyone know about the eyeballs protruding or any

information I could print out to bring to her? Thanks in advance. Diane

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Bulging eyes is also a symptom of hyperthyroidism.

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From: dianebolton52 <dianebolton@...>

Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:53:51 AM

Subject: [] Buldging eyes-

Hi Everyone: There is a CVS pharmacy nearby where I buy water etc. and got

friendly with the pharmacist there over the last two years that I have been

here. The ceiling in the store is EXTREMELY moldy and I go in only for water and

exit quickly. The pharmacist knows why I am here and asked me yesterday about

her eyes swelling. Not the eyelids, but the eyeballs themselves, as if they are

protruding from the socket. Do any of you know if this is a mold-symptom? I

cannot seem to find anything about this other than it relating to cushings

syndrome. (I know that can be from mold also) I would like to help this woman

and she is asking me because of what I went through with my exposure. I told her

to " get out " of the store asap and she said she needed her job. Tough one.

Anyone know about the eyeballs protruding or any information I could print out

to bring to her? Thanks in advance. Diane

[Guest guest]

An eye doctor should be consulted IMMEDIATELY. Eyeball pressure is

risking the lost of the eyeball, and thus eyesight. Her job will definitely

change, then. Not a moment too loose, imho. Rush this info to her, imo.

Advise her to see doctors, not full office visits, but

pre-qualification interviews,

where the main and first question is " Have you treated bulging eyes? "

Find someone with experience, and who wants to take on the case.

These interviews are free. Just leave a list of questions with the

receptionist, who might just take it, then and there, to the doctor to

read, and you can get your answers in 2-3 minutes. The last question

should be " Do you know of a doctor who has treated this, or that you

would recommend I give this list of questions to? "

Consider advising her to have pictures taken, side views too, to

circulate with the questions.

There are only a few conditions that cause bulging eyes.

Has she web searched?

Mold allergy/sensitivity is one of them. Localized swelling is common.

Also, several types of toxins and poisons cause this.

It could be a form of sewer gas, or broken gas appliance (i.e. heater)

giving out carbon monoxide, or one of the other high toxic gasses

that accompany CO production that are 10 to 100 times more deadly

than CO, or mycotoxins from mold.

Or a reaction to a chemical spill they had in the pharmacy. She

would not even have to be present to be reacting to the left overs.

But you likely hit the nail on the head with the mold, given the pre-existing

condition.

Key Question: When at home does it ease up?

Likely their home is now contaminated. It should be cleaned.

Their first action arriving home, would be to take a garbage bag,

positioned at the door before leaving for work, and put all their

clothing into it, shoes into a separate bag to wear tomorrow,

and go straight to the shower, wet their hair asap, and get clean.

Especially Friday nights, so that weekend, they can spend AWAY

FROM HOME, travel 20-80 miles away, Friday and Saturday night

stay at a hotel, ditto Sunday night, and find out how they feel

after 2 " clean " days.

Evaluate the bulging eyes, if they are somewhat better, then it's

either their home, or place of work. A big clue. One that will motivate

further correct action.

Print out this email and give it to them.

BTW, OSHA might have something to say. As well as the BBB and

Chambers Of Commerce, not to mention Building Safety Department

of City Hall.

The firm's business must be dropping off due to the bad smell.

It's unnatural to harm one's customers. And masking the smell

does not help. Also, being a pharmacy, a place that dispenses

wellness... very counter to making friendly business to make

your customers sicker. It might increase revenue ... for a while.

Until everyone starts rumors, and customers stop coming.

Let us know what happens.

[Guest guest]

The sad thing is the medicine that is being given to so many people and they

have a mold problem. I know I had a pet that had the bulging eyes and he died

not long after. Don't know about this problem with people.

>

> Bulging eyes is also a symptom of hyperthyroidism.

>

[Guest guest]

Thyroid problems are typical of chronic mold exposure.

Very typical. Mostly slow thyroid, but I know some have

fast. This confuses most doctors, who believe it must

be one or the other. Everyone is different though.

A fast thyroid can be normalized, sometimes, with

iodine supplement (kelp). But not zinc, which speeds

it up. So, they might stop all zinc supplementation.

http://thyroid.about.com is an abundance of 90% good info.

Only 10% of it ambiguous or subject to interpretation as

incorrect or controversial, or unknown.

[Guest guest]

Hi

 

Bulging eyes can be Graves Disease,  it is an imbalance of the thyroid.  You can

get it from Hyperthyroidism.  Needs treatment if it is that because the eyes can

remain pertruded permanently.  Since mold affects the endrocrine system it is

posiible it is a symptom or the end result of an organ being affected such as

the thyroid.

 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: " ssr3351@... " <ssr3351@...>

Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:13:28 PM

Subject: Re: [] Buldging eyes-

 

I don't know about the bulging eyes but I know when I was in my moldy

workplace my eyes would really hurt almost like something stuck in them. Since

medication and leaving I have had none of this in over 5 years!!!

Hi Everyone: There is a CVS pharmacy nearby where I buy water etc. and got

friendly with the pharmacist there over the last two years that I have

been here. The ceiling in the store is EXTREMELY moldy and I go in only for

water and exit quickly. The pharmacist knows why I am here and asked me

yesterday about her eyes swelling. Not the eyelids, but the eyeballs themselves,

as if they are protruding from the socket. Do any of you know if this is a

mold-symptom? I cannot seem to find anything about this other than it

relating to cushings syndrome. (I know that can be from mold also) I would like

to help this woman and she is asking me because of what I went through

with my exposure. I told her to " get out " of the store asap and she said she

needed her job. Tough one. Anyone know about the eyeballs protruding or any

information I could print out to bring to her? Thanks in advance. Diane

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>Yes, irritated eyes are one of my major symptoms. And when I say irritated I

mean it feels like someone sprayed tear gas in my eyes and they are burning

up-caused me to wear an eye mask for over a year in my own home. It was what

made me quit my job-you can't work if your eyes are burning and you can't keep

them open. The skin around them did puff up but I never got bulging eyes.

However-everyone is different! Your pharmacist's bulging eyes are probably from

the mold but because it's not " documented " no one will believe it-but it's true

for her and that's all the proof she should need. Does she feel better when

she's home? That's a really good indicator.

>

> I don't know about the bulging eyes but I know when I was in my moldy

> workplace my eyes would really hurt almost like something stuck in them. Since

> medication and leaving I have had none of this in over 5 years!!!

>

> Hi Everyone: There is a CVS pharmacy nearby where I buy water etc. and got

> friendly with the pharmacist there over the last two years that I have

> been here. The ceiling in the store is EXTREMELY moldy and I go in only for

> water and exit quickly. The pharmacist knows why I am here and asked me

> yesterday about her eyes swelling. Not the eyelids, but the eyeballs

themselves,

> as if they are protruding from the socket. Do any of you know if this is a

> mold-symptom? I cannot seem to find anything about this other than it

> relating to cushings syndrome. (I know that can be from mold also) I would

like

> to help this woman and she is asking me because of what I went through

> with my exposure. I told her to " get out " of the store asap and she said she

> needed her job. Tough one. Anyone know about the eyeballs protruding or any

> information I could print out to bring to her? Thanks in advance. Diane

>

>

>

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> steps!

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

-My nephew recently got bulging eyes from an exposure of a hay ride. It is an

allergic response, and is not really the eyes bulging, but the sac over the eyes

inflaming , benedryil and never going on a hay ride again took it away. But he

cried a lot because he did not want to be an outer space creature for the rest

of his life.-

- In , " dianebolton52 " <dianebolton@...> wrote:

>I told her to " get out " of the store asap and she said she needed her job.

Tough one. Anyone know about the eyeballs protruding or any information I could

print out to bring to her? Thanks in advance. Diane

>

[Guest guest]

---

Thank you to all of you that replied. She knows that the problem is at work as

the eyes are better after a week-end at home. The first time the ceiling leaked

she complained (I told her to, she had every right to a safe place to work) and

they fixed all the moldy tiles. Next time it rained all the tiles were wet

again. So, they never fixed the real problem.(roof) I was just looking for

something about the buldging eyes that I could copy and bring in to her to show

her employer. You all know how hard it is to convince anyone that mold is

affecting your health. If any of you find an article about buldging eyes and

mold exposure, will you please let me know? Thank you all again-I am trying hard

to prevent this kind woman from ending up where all of us have been... Diane

In , <pete-@...> wrote:

>

>

> An eye doctor should be consulted IMMEDIATELY. Eyeball pressure is

> risking the lost of the eyeball, and thus eyesight. Her job will definitely

> change, then. Not a moment too loose, imho. Rush this info to her, imo.

>

[Guest guest]

I haven't followed all the post on this but I can tell you I have Huge problems

with eye pressure and swelling also. I do not know if the mold exposure I had is

the link to this but it is painful and my vision will blur and I cannot focus.

Been to eye doc and he didn't see anything. Even had vessels pop in my eye from

the pressure. Barometric pressure changes in the air seem to be what triggers

mine and it is almost constant. Today is one of those days. I have a brain

lesion that is on the vision area of the brain so not sure if that is connected.

Told that to the eye doc too.

One post mentione thyroid and I had mine checked out a couple years back and I

don't think that has anything to do with my eye pressure. Somehow barometric

pressure changes affect us mold victims I wonder sometimes if mold is in my

sinuses/head etc. reacting to barometric pressure. My eyes can feel like they

are going to pop right out of my head. I get face pressure also and migraines

and pressure down the back of neck into the spine along with my gums throbbing.

It is enough at times to make one go about insane...

>

> Hi Everyone: There is a CVS pharmacy nearby where I buy water etc. and got

friendly with the pharmacist there over the last two years that I have been

here. The ceiling in the store is EXTREMELY moldy and I go in only for water and

exit quickly. The pharmacist knows why I am here and asked me yesterday about

her eyes swelling.

[Guest guest]

O have reaccuring pressure around my eyes and I know it's sometimes do to the

sinus damage I have and other times comes with those migraines that come up the

back of the neck.

the sinus route is more often, pretty much a contant to deal with.

I've got to where I can sometimes stop whats coming on by washing my sinuses out

really good. doesn't always work but mist on the time it helps greatly. also

drinking simething very cold make the roff of my mouth cold helps calm the

inflamatin, it's all related to the sinuses. for those up the neck I get a towel

wet/cold and wrap around

my neck and up around my head. helps calm the inflamation and mellows it out. I

say inflamation because I know thats what a hudge part of it is. I dint know

about the infection part. pain wize I'm not sure theres much difference. the

damage in my sinus,eye,olfactory,frontal brain is sich that I cant seperate what

goes on there. even some problems with blocked tear ducts on my left eye and

worse fogginess in my veiw. but before the cataracts was getting worse I dealt

with the blurring and seeing anywhere from 2-4-6-8 lights where there was only

one. so yes, some of thats from the brain damage and further assults to the

brain. the eyes are the mirror to health, I've heard.

sometimes I get stabbing pains to the back of my eyeball which I know is the

main blood vessell to my eye and simething causeing it. it comes from the back

of the head. glacoma is basicly pressure to the eyes, unknow causes, but my

guess is inflamation in the brain is one cause.

--- In , " iluvbunnies5262 " <iluvbunnies5262@...>

wrote:

>

> I haven't followed all the post on this but I can tell you I have Huge

problems with eye pressure and swelling also. I do not know if the mold exposure

[Guest guest]

I don't have buldging eyes, but I do have one pupil that enlarges when I

get exposed-I have MCS. Does anyone else have any experience with this.

Thanks,

.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:01 PM, who <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

>

>

> O have reaccuring pressure around my eyes and I know it's sometimes do to

> the sinus damage I have and other times comes with those migraines that come

> up the back of the neck.

> the sinus route is more often, pretty much a contant to deal with.

> I've got to where I can sometimes stop whats coming on by washing my

> sinuses out really good. doesn't always work but mist on the time it helps

> greatly. also drinking simething very cold make the roff of my mouth cold

> helps calm the inflamatin, it's all related to the sinuses. for those up the

> neck I get a towel wet/cold and wrap around

> my neck and up around my head. helps calm the inflamation and mellows it

> out. I say inflamation because I know thats what a hudge part of it is. I

> dint know about the infection part. pain wize I'm not sure theres much

> difference. the damage in my sinus,eye,olfactory,frontal brain is sich that

> I cant seperate what goes on there. even some problems with blocked tear

> ducts on my left eye and worse fogginess in my veiw. but before the

> cataracts was getting worse I dealt with the blurring and seeing anywhere

> from 2-4-6-8 lights where there was only one. so yes, some of thats from the

> brain damage and further assults to the brain. the eyes are the mirror to

> health, I've heard.

> sometimes I get stabbing pains to the back of my eyeball which I know is

> the main blood vessell to my eye and simething causeing it. it comes from

> the back of the head. glacoma is basicly pressure to the eyes, unknow

> causes, but my guess is inflamation in the brain is one cause.

>

>

>

> >

> > I haven't followed all the post on this but I can tell you I have Huge

> problems with eye pressure and swelling also. I do not know if the mold

> exposure

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've had a soreness at times, when exposed to some mcs or mold I'm reactive to,

around my eyes; like I would when coming down with the flu or virus. Other times

I'll feel a fullness around the throat. That's why I started wondering about

things like the parathyroids, pituitary, thyroid and most recently the

hypothalmus, My doc who is supposed to be a thyroid expert won't test them and

thinks I need to see an infectious disease doctor; he was comparing some of my

symptoms to gulf-war syndrome and I asked if wasn't that suspected to be due to

chemical warfare and isn't the substance of that awful weapon a form of

mycotoxin? He had no answer. It is very confusing.

Sam

I don't have buldging eyes, but I do have one pupil that enlarges when I get

exposed-I have MCS. Does anyone else have any experience with this.

[Guest guest]

I also get the stinging eyes, in fact immediatley if I am exposed to

anything that came from our moldy house, even a sheet of paper. I also get

the fullness of the throat all the time when I am exposed MCS, I was told it

was due to the inflammation and lymphnode swelling ?

Interesting you are talking about the thyroid issue,my 13yr old has

developed antibodies to her thyroid as a result of her exposure-when we took

her to a Pediatric Endocrinologist they acknowledged the antibodies,but said

that they couldn't treat it until she developed thyroid disease, which they

thought she would.

Dr Shoemaker told me that I had damage to my hypothalmus, can't remember

the diagnosis from that-unfortunately mold memory!! but something about the

mycotoxins and brain damage?? Did anyone else have the MRI spectoscropy per

Dr S?

.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sam <yaddayadda53@...> wrote:

>

>

> I've had a soreness at times, when exposed to some mcs or mold I'm reactive

> to, around my eyes;

[Guest guest]

At 09:38 AM 8/5/2009, Meng wrote:

> I also get the stinging eyes, in fact immediatley if I am exposed to

>anything that came from our moldy house, even a sheet of paper. I also get

>the fullness of the throat

This is a very dangerous condition. You should learn the technical name

and how to manage it. Also, consider getting a medalert bracelet, or

cheaper equivalent. Keep a " letter " on you about how a First Responder

should " treat " you if they find you unconscious. I rarely get it myself.

>Interesting you are talking about the thyroid issue,my 13yr old has

>developed antibodies to her thyroid as a result of her exposure-when we took

>her to a Pediatric Endocrinologist they acknowledged the antibodies,but said

>that they couldn't treat it until she developed thyroid disease,

This just means the few doctors you talked to do not know how to treat this

preliminary condition. Do consider researching it more yourself, or finding

a doctor who knows how, has been trained in it. Ask Dr Shoemaker?

>Dr Shoemaker told me that I had damage to my hypothalmus, can't remember

>the diagnosis from that

Did you get a copy of the doctor's notes?

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

Those eye and throat symptoms were among the reason I had realized I needed to

get out of my house. Actually it was our allergist that determined that.

The issue with the hypothalmus has come up a couple of times recently. Our

allergist tests with an eav machine, not a widely accepted approach; and yet for

some time the hypothalmus being affected by mold came up very specifically. This

was so even after leaving the house for some time. She didn't know how to test

for it other than that and our endo didn't agree her at all. We've been trying

to get more info on this and appreciate your memory of what Dr. Shoemaker had

found. From what I've been learning from some here is that the hypothalmus has a

direct impact on the state of the thyroid. But what I'm trying to wrap my brain

around is how the hypothalmus being affected would impact antibodies such as the

TPO, TSI and ATA. If mycotoxins are indeed affecting the hypothalmus what is the

mechanism that leaves the thyroid open to start attacking itself and thereby

create these antibodies?

As far as your 13 year old, imho, I wouldn't wait until he/she develops thyroid

disease. My limited sense is that continued detox might help, more extensive

testing of the thyroid at least such as: f  and maybe some kind of nutritional

support. I wonder from the expert level if others on the list have ideas and for

you if Dr. Leiberman has a point of view about how to treat this for your child

before it becomes a full blown issue. I have a friend who is a patient of Dr.

Zeim in western MD. She said that it was important to try eliminate issues

before you need to medicate with synthetic or natural drugs like synthroid or

armour thyroid. Her take (I can't speak to this one way or another) is that it

is harder for the thyroid to normalize after being on meds for some time. The

only sense I could make out of that is that the antibodies are destroying the

thyroid and that is the reason. Dr. Zeim works with a method similar to

Pall's No-onoo cycle

research. I don't understand alot of that, but its come up on this list before

as a credible approach.

There is also alot of issue over when it is timely to step in and treat the

thyroid and a number of people and doctors feel that people can have thyroid

issues w/o it always coming up in tests. Some of that also has to do with making

sure to test for more than the TSH. Another thing that you could look into for

your child is to check his adrenal levels. Sometimes adrenal fatigue (another

not widely accepted condition by many in the medical profession, like mold

exposure) can also be a precursor to thyroid problems. You'd need to have him do

an Adrenal Stress Index saliva test and here the link for the company we've used

in the past.

  " http://www.diagnostechs.com/main.htm "

I hope this is helpful and with all due respect, it is just mho. So, if i have

mistated anything, please members do chime in. It is much appreciated.

Sam

I also get the stinging eyes, in fact immediatley if I am exposed to

anything that came from our moldy house, even a sheet of paper.

[Guest guest]

,

Am such a space cadet, that I forgot to include what I'd researched as important

for thyroid testing. Again jmho from what I've picked up from our doc and added

research.

TSH, Free T4, Free T3, Iron Serum, ACTH, Prolactin, Ferritin, Transferrin,

Thyroid Peroxidase (TPO), Anithyrogloblulin, Thyroid Stimulating

Immunoglobululin, Reverse T3.

Sam 

I also get the stinging eyes, in fact immediatley if I am exposed to

anything that came from our moldy house, even a sheet of paper. I also get

the fullness of the throat all the time when I am exposed MCS, I was told it

was due to the inflammation and lymphnode swelling ?

[Guest guest]

thanks, k, brian, diane, chris. sorry didn't get back to you. yes, i have mcs,

pupils dilate and throat closes up along with the eye pressure and other things.

airways close up, instantly weak, felling of clise to passing out, need to lay

down, speach slurs, brain goes dumb. some alot worse effects.

disoriantated,halucinateing, cant spell,lols oh, cant do that anyway.

>

> I don't have buldging eyes, but I do have one pupil that enlarges when I get

exposed-I have MCS. Does anyone else have any experience with this.

>

[Guest guest]

what meds have you tried?

thanks, k, brian, diane, chris. sorry didn't get back to you. yes, i have mcs,

pupils dilate and throat closes up along with the eye pressure and other things.

airways close up, instantly weak, felling of clise to passing out, need to lay

down, speach slurs, brain goes dumb. some alot worse effects. disoriantated,

halucinateing, cant spell,lols oh, cant do that anyway.