Re: Re: T-2® Trichothecene Mycotoxin Urine Test Kit

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Are you suggesting that if I had a test like this done by Dr. Hooper that showed

tricothesines from Stacky that it is invalide? I am not sure I understand.

    

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

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From: Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. <toxicologist1@...>

Subject: [] Re: T-2® Trichothecene Mycotoxin Urine Test Kit

Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 11:33 AM

 

Here is website on T-2- Test kits. They were developed for testing of T-1 Toxin

in foods not human urine.

Also, T-1 Toxin studied by the Army and yellow rain is produced by Fusarium, not

Stachybotrys

http://www.vicam. com/aw/myco/ ?gclid=COjn9PLW8 5sCFQ6jagodzDAm- g

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[Guest guest]

Without getting into the specifics of your testing, we must be clear

about what various tests can and cannot do. Your question is

assumes a direct connection from Stachybotrys to a mycotoxin in

the body. Actually, it also assumes that a sample was collected

and analyzed which showed Stachybotrys and you were exposed

to the Stachy and it produced Tricothesines in your body and that

is what what made you ill. But there are a lot of assumptions

here.

A mycotoxin test showing Tricothesines (or anything else) in the

body only shows that Trichothesine are in the body. It doesn't

identify whether it was from foods or environmental molds or

which specific molds. It says nothing about when you were

exposed or how you were exposed.

A mold test of the environment only shows what molds were

present AND detected by the lab with that particular collection

type and method of analysis at that time. It will never show

" everything " and or " all of it. "

A surface sample won't show what you breathed. It will only show

what you could have touched, but not if you touched it. An air

sample will show what was in the air at the time but not what the

exposure levels were when you were exposed. For example, was

the sample taken when the air was still and most everything had

settled to surfaces? Or after walking, running or dancing

vigorously on the carpet where levels were higher than at any

time you were in the room?

It does not measure what your body was actually exposed to. It

can provide information and hopefully inform a chain of events,

but not necessarily a direct connection or absolute cause.

Which means that a test showing Stachybotrys in your house

does not mean other molds were not there, perhaps some which

can produce Trichothesines. A test showing Tricothesines in your

body does mean you were exposed to something which produces

Trichothesines, just not what you thought it was.

Because of the lack of direct and absolute cause-and-effect

evidence from testing, an assessment is necessary by someone

who understands the limitations of testing vs exposure vs medical

effect. And that person must know how to collect the variety of

evidence (not just mold samples by themselves) from different

sources, including building history and occupant experience, to

provide a plausible explanation of what happened.

Testing can be very valuable. But not by itself. It must be within a

context which gives the numbers meaning and convince skeptics

that a believable sequence of events occurred from moisture to

growth to exposure to harm.

This is the weakness of relying on testing to prove the need to

remove mold because it specifically harmed you. It is nearly

impossible even under the most obvious conditions. And why the

shift to public health criteria is so important.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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Are you suggesting that if I had a test like this done by Dr. Hooper that

showed tricothesines from Stacky that it is invalide? I am not sure I

understand.