Guest guest Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 HE has not had an MRI, the Dr that diagnosed him told him that he was secondary and it was probably a pituitary issue. (We don't have confirmation of this at all). HE was then sent to a urologist that gave him the script for the androgel. This was done our hometown, we have since moved. It infuriates me that androgel could make him infertile. I ASKED BOTH his primary care DR and the urologist if this would interfere with concieving, and they said no. THe uro also said that if we didn't get within a year to come back to him....we were just married and decided to wait before having kids. When we did I got pg w/in 3 months.... I checked out the files section you suggested and the website. There are a few in the Cinci area, I will check them out. -- In , philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: > > It does not happen to all men but yes most will not be able to make a baby. And you did say he is Secondary this means his testis still work did the Dr. that told you this order an MRI on this pituitary to see if he has a tumor. You did say he was on Androgle when you got PR so if he goes back on the same dose it is possable he will be able to get your PR again. Please don't take him to a Uro or an Endo both are not good Dr.'s for low testosterone. You need to read the files section I told you about on finding a new hormone dr. Read it and then go to http://www.tuneupyourt.com/ click on Finding a Dr. then put in your state. You will get a list by zip and you need to call them and check them out a lot of them put there names on the list and don't know any more the the Drug Reps tell them. Or you can drive to MI. and see Dr. then your seeing one of the best. He only needs to see you once and the rest he can do by phone or Email www.allthingsmale.com he also has a > site you can post to him with questions. > > http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/ > > If you drive up to see him tell him Phil sent you. At this web site are stickys you can read about seeing him. > > peppercorn12411 <peppercorn12411@...> wrote: > Forgive the fact that I am a girl and my ignorance when it comes to > male physiology :0)......So the fact his FSH and LH were so low while > he was taking the testosterone doesn't mean that his body wasn't > making sperm or that he was infertile or subfertile......SO if he was > to go back on it, would he still be able to father another child? > (w/o IVF of other feritltiy methods) I have read about hCG for men > (courtousy of another poster..thanks BTW), I am assuming that would > be a better choice? > > I know I am barbarding ya'll with questions, I understand how my body > works and the female body works, I am just learning how the male body > works. Just trying to educate myself....they didn't cover all of this > in high school health class. LOL > > We will start looking for urologists in our area. > > > Just got his > number form his previous tests: > > > > Dec 22nd > > > > TSH 2.71 > > T4 0.79 > > Testosterone Serium-612 > > Testosterone Free 21.9 > > FSH- .3 (OMG) > > LH .3 (OMG) > > Prolactin-5.7 > > > > Jan 24th > > Testoterone Serium 215 > > IGF-140 > > Cotisol-14.6 > > HEmo A1C 5.7 > > > > April 25th > > > > Total T-206 > > FSH-2.2 > > LH 2.7 > > > > No DHEA, Adrenal functions or E2 were drawn (the nurse seemed > pretty > > surpised that no E2 was drawn). So it seems that the TRT was > > probably causing a problem with the FSH and LH, and the numbers > have > > improved but yet his T levels are so low but the FSH and LH have > > rebounded some...... > > > > Any thoughts?????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what > you see. " > > Phil > > > > --------------------------------- > > Give spam the boot. Take control with tough spam protection > > in the all-new Beta. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Hi THe lab ranges are as follows... Total T 132-813 Prolactin 2.1-17.5 Free T (I didn't get a range, but the nurse said it was really high) IGF-115-307 Cortizol-3.1-22.4 FSH-1.0-8.0 LH 2.0-10.0 He is a big guy....6'2 " and weighs about 260lbs. I am aware though my own medical misdiagnosis of PCOS that estrogen lives and LOVES fat cells. WE are both big people....but we don't eat sugar (rare), white bread and rices, we ocassionally eat potato , and we eat a lot of turkey and chicken and fruit and veggies.....We are big but eat healthy and exercise as much as we can. > > > Just got his number form his previous tests: > > > > Dec 22nd > > > > TSH 2.71 > > T4 0.79 > > Testosterone Serium-612 > > Testosterone Free 21.9 > > FSH- .3 (OMG) > > LH .3 (OMG) > > Prolactin-5.7 > > > > Jan 24th > > Testoterone Serium 215 > > IGF-140 > > Cotisol-14.6 > > HEmo A1C 5.7 > > > > April 25th > > > > Total T-206 > > FSH-2.2 > > LH 2.7 > > > > No DHEA, Adrenal functions or E2 were drawn (the nurse seemed pretty > > surpised that no E2 was drawn). So it seems that the TRT was > > probably causing a problem with the FSH and LH, and the numbers have > > improved but yet his T levels are so low but the FSH and LH have > > rebounded some...... > > > > Any thoughts?????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck > in the all-new Beta. > http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/newmail_html.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Both times I got my wife pregnant I was on TRT. Took a lot of trying as my count was low, but not completely infertile. It only takes one sperm. My urologist is great, by the way. Knows more about hormones than most endocrinologists, I suspect. Chris --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: > It does not happen to all men but yes most will not be able to make a > baby. And you did say he is Secondary this means his testis still > work did the Dr. that told you this order an MRI on this pituitary to > see if he has a tumor. You did say he was on Androgle when you got > PR so if he goes back on the same dose it is possable he will be able > to get your PR again. Please don't take him to a Uro or an Endo both > are not good Dr.'s for low testosterone. You need to read the files > section I told you about on finding a new hormone dr. Read it and > then go to http://www.tuneupyourt.com/ click on Finding a Dr. then > put in your state. You will get a list by zip and you need to call > them and check them out a lot of them put there names on the list and > don't know any more the the Drug Reps tell them. Or you can drive to > MI. and see Dr. then your seeing one of the best. He only needs > to see you once and the rest he can do by phone or Email > www.allthingsmale.com he also has a > site you can post to him with questions. > > http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/ > > If you drive up to see him tell him Phil sent you. At this web > site are stickys you can read about seeing him. > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Hi, I was not trying to diagnos you SO's needs. I was trying to add skills to let you see the whole skill package you might expect from a reproductive endo. Some of those are poor to of course. Andropause doctors are hard to find. Ernie > > > > > > My name is (30) and my DH (JIm, 36) was diagnosed with low > > > testosterone about 3-4 years ago (his original testosterone level > was > > > around 200). He was in androgel for several years (5% was the > dose I > > > believe) and late in 2006 his testosterone numbers were falling. > THe > > > Dr increased his androgel (5% times 2 on certain days of the > week) > > > and it didn't work. In a quest for an answer my husband decided > to > > > go to an enodcrinologist. His numbers in with the androgel were > > > around 600 at the time and the Dr wanted him to go off of it to > see > > > what happened. We found that the reason the numbers > were " falling " > > > was that the lab work was being done in the afternoon. The endo > took > > > the hormone levels at the right time (after I did some research > and > > > insisted that the blood should be drawn before 9 am). > > > > > > He just got back his recent test results, and his testosterone > was > > > 206 (which I know is low). His LH was 2.7 and his FSH was 2.2. > He > > > had an estrodiol taken back in Jan, I am unsure what the numbers > > > where at that time. THe nurse from the Dr office should call > back > > > soon with the numbers that we need. > > > > > > I am doing research so that my husband will not be brainwashed > that > > > he has a condition that he does not have and if he is in > andropause > > > we want all the info we need(I was brainwashed about a year ago > that > > > I have PCOS/IR, but actually I am hypothryoid and I believe I may > > > have adrenal fatigue). I also want to make sure that his > testosterone > > > levels are not casued by thyroid, adrenal or any myriad medical > > > issues that are assocaited with it. > > > > > > I am also seeking knowledge. I am unable to find the optimum FSH > and > > > LH ratio for men and what is considered " high or low " . WE are > also > > > planning to TTC baby #2 in the near future and I want to head off > any > > > fertility issues before we start TTC (if possible). > > > > > > I also want to point out that I have very little trust for the > > > medical profession (for various reasons, I will tell you if you > wnat > > > to know) and WE want the knowledge that Drs tend to believe that > we > > > are unable to process on our own. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 This side of an actual sperm count test, it may be difficult to pinpoint when the FSH is too low for a given man. HCG will NOT drive sperm production. HCG is a LH analog, and as such it will drive testosterone production in the leydig cells, and as a result it will raise the intertesticular level of T to the point that the testicles are a sperm production friendly environment. However, it will take FSH to drive the sertoli cells to product sperm. HMG is distilled from the urine of menapausal women and it contains both LH and FSH, and that is why it is used to promote fertility in both men and women. On the other hand HCG is either distilled from the urine of pregnant women or it can be made via recombinant technology. let us know what you find out regarding your husbands situation. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Thanks for this info. If you know that you are big, then you may have to modify your diets to be a bit more extreme. Here are some (possibly) helpful basics: 1) Eat protein every meal 2) Eat colorful veggies (not starches or grains) every meal. 3) Never eat a meal that combines fat and starches or grains. 4) Drink lot's of water 5) Do NOT drink carbonated drinks (even diet, bad stuff), just water, green tea, or coffee, but mostly water 6) Eat starches, grains and sweet foods only after you have exercised for the day, and if you really want to be strict, eat that stuff only in the first two hours after you exercise. I share this because if you have a high bodyfat percentage, you will have to do better than " eating right " (which you are doing) to REVERSE the fat accumulation. One big reason for the water (like a gallon a day or more), is to flush out the toxins that will be released from the fat cells as your body burns more fat. What kind of exercise are you two doing? Hopefully some heavy weights which preserve/build muscle (and muscle burns fat). Too much cardio and you will lose muscle first. Excess cardio is " catabolic " and you want to be anabolic. Some cardio (20-30 minutes moderate intensity) is not too bad, and is good for joint and cardiovascular health. About the labs. The serum (I assume that means total) Testosterone is decent. Next time get Estradiol (highly sensitive assay), bioavailable (free and loosely bound) testosterone, and SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin), DHEA, and DHT...if you can. Need the whole picture. I suspect there is a high amount of conversion of testosterone to estrogen happening in that fat (via the aromatase enzyme) that the pituitary never gets told to get into high gear. High estrogen probably is the biggest issue. My levels of LH and FSH were both below 1 when I was diagnose. My pituitary gland just wasn't doing much of anything. And my testosterone was quite low. An aromatase inhibitor such as anastrozole will block aromatization. A good doctor will look at the whole picture and know how much your husband would need. TRT will absolutely lower LH and FSH. The pituitary is regulated by Testosterone, Estradiol and DHT. I recently learned that any of those three will shut the pituitary down. Hope some of this was helpful. Chris --- peppercorn12411 <peppercorn12411@...> wrote: > Hi > > THe lab ranges are as follows... > > Total T 132-813 > Prolactin 2.1-17.5 > Free T (I didn't get a range, but the nurse said it was really high) > IGF-115-307 > Cortizol-3.1-22.4 > FSH-1.0-8.0 > LH 2.0-10.0 > > > He is a big guy....6'2 " and weighs about 260lbs. I am aware though > my own medical misdiagnosis of PCOS that estrogen lives and LOVES fat > > cells. WE are both big people....but we don't eat sugar (rare), white > > bread and rices, we ocassionally eat potato , and we eat a lot of > turkey and chicken and fruit and veggies.....We are big but eat > healthy and exercise as much as we can. > > > > > > > > > Just got his number form his previous tests: > > > > > > Dec 22nd > > > > > > TSH 2.71 > > > T4 0.79 > > > Testosterone Serium-612 > > > Testosterone Free 21.9 > > > FSH- .3 (OMG) > > > LH .3 (OMG) > > > Prolactin-5.7 > > > > > > Jan 24th > > > Testoterone Serium 215 > > > IGF-140 > > > Cotisol-14.6 > > > HEmo A1C 5.7 > > > > > > April 25th > > > > > > Total T-206 > > > FSH-2.2 > > > LH 2.7 > > > > > > No DHEA, Adrenal functions or E2 were drawn (the nurse seemed > pretty > > > surpised that no E2 was drawn). So it seems that the TRT was > > > probably causing a problem with the FSH and LH, and the numbers > have > > > improved but yet his T levels are so low but the FSH and LH have > > > rebounded some...... > > > > > > Any thoughts?????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck > > in the all-new Beta. > > http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/newmail_html.html > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. http://sims./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Didn't answer this directly before....he will still be able to father a child for you, but hcg will help, as well as lot's of " trying " . FSH and LH are needed to make sperm. So is testosterone (which comes from the testes stimulated by LH). HCG is analogous to LH. Chris --- peppercorn12411 <peppercorn12411@...> wrote: > Forgive the fact that I am a girl and my ignorance when it comes to > male physiology :0)......So the fact his FSH and LH were so low while > > he was taking the testosterone doesn't mean that his body wasn't > making sperm or that he was infertile or subfertile......SO if he was > > to go back on it, would he still be able to father another child? > (w/o IVF of other feritltiy methods) I have read about hCG for men > (courtousy of another poster..thanks BTW), I am assuming that would > be a better choice? > > I know I am barbarding ya'll with questions, I understand how my body > > works and the female body works, I am just learning how the male body > > works. Just trying to educate myself....they didn't cover all of this > > in high school health class. LOL > > We will start looking for urologists in our area. > > > Just got his > number form his previous tests: > > > > Dec 22nd > > > > TSH 2.71 > > T4 0.79 > > Testosterone Serium-612 > > Testosterone Free 21.9 > > FSH- .3 (OMG) > > LH .3 (OMG) > > Prolactin-5.7 > > > > Jan 24th > > Testoterone Serium 215 > > IGF-140 > > Cotisol-14.6 > > HEmo A1C 5.7 > > > > April 25th > > > > Total T-206 > > FSH-2.2 > > LH 2.7 > > > > No DHEA, Adrenal functions or E2 were drawn (the nurse seemed > pretty > > surpised that no E2 was drawn). So it seems that the TRT was > > probably causing a problem with the FSH and LH, and the numbers > have > > improved but yet his T levels are so low but the FSH and LH have > > rebounded some...... > > > > Any thoughts?????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what > > you see. " > > Phil > > > > --------------------------------- > > Give spam the boot. Take control with tough spam protection > > in the all-new Beta. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Hold it don't get mad about Androgel any kind of testosterone treatment can do this. I can't say how many men this happens to and in most cases it can be because they are Primary meaning there testis don't work good most of these men could not have kids before going on TRT. No one knows if they will be able to have kids after starting TRT so any Good Dr. would test his sperm and if it's still good freeze some to be on the safe side. I have talked to a lot of men that were on TRT the were able to have kids. With you husband being as big as he is you do need to have his Estradiol checked go to the Dr. that gave him Androgel and have this tested get the tests done that Dr. does at his site. If his Estradiol is high this can be why his T levels are low. And getting this down will bring his T levels back up. When a man has high estradiol levels the brain can't tell the difference between the Estradiol and testosterone so if the cells are full of Estradiol the brain will think it's Testosterone and stop sending the LH and FSH to the testis to make Testosterone. So when a Dr. tests him and does not check estradiol he will see his T levels and LH and FSH low and think he is Secondary when he is not. Read this link it about older men but it can happen to any age man. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174 Read this link it will help you understand this better. http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html peppercorn12411 <peppercorn12411@...> wrote: HE has not had an MRI, the Dr that diagnosed him told him that he was secondary and it was probably a pituitary issue. (We don't have confirmation of this at all). HE was then sent to a urologist that gave him the script for the androgel. This was done our hometown, we have since moved. It infuriates me that androgel could make him infertile. I ASKED BOTH his primary care DR and the urologist if this would interfere with concieving, and they said no. THe uro also said that if we didn't get within a year to come back to him....we were just married and decided to wait before having kids. When we did I got pg w/in 3 months.... I checked out the files section you suggested and the website. There are a few in the Cinci area, I will check them out. -- In , philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: > > It does not happen to all men but yes most will not be able to make a baby. And you did say he is Secondary this means his testis still work did the Dr. that told you this order an MRI on this pituitary to see if he has a tumor. You did say he was on Androgle when you got PR so if he goes back on the same dose it is possable he will be able to get your PR again. Please don't take him to a Uro or an Endo both are not good Dr.'s for low testosterone. You need to read the files section I told you about on finding a new hormone dr. Read it and then go to http://www.tuneupyourt.com/ click on Finding a Dr. then put in your state. You will get a list by zip and you need to call them and check them out a lot of them put there names on the list and don't know any more the the Drug Reps tell them. Or you can drive to MI. and see Dr. then your seeing one of the best. He only needs to see you once and the rest he can do by phone or Email www.allthingsmale.com he also has a > site you can post to him with questions. > > http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/ > > If you drive up to see him tell him Phil sent you. At this web site are stickys you can read about seeing him. > > peppercorn12411 <peppercorn12411@...> wrote: > Forgive the fact that I am a girl and my ignorance when it comes to > male physiology :0)......So the fact his FSH and LH were so low while > he was taking the testosterone doesn't mean that his body wasn't > making sperm or that he was infertile or subfertile......SO if he was > to go back on it, would he still be able to father another child? > (w/o IVF of other feritltiy methods) I have read about hCG for men > (courtousy of another poster..thanks BTW), I am assuming that would > be a better choice? > > I know I am barbarding ya'll with questions, I understand how my body > works and the female body works, I am just learning how the male body > works. Just trying to educate myself....they didn't cover all of this > in high school health class. LOL > > We will start looking for urologists in our area. > > > Just got his > number form his previous tests: > > > > Dec 22nd > > > > TSH 2.71 > > T4 0.79 > > Testosterone Serium-612 > > Testosterone Free 21.9 > > FSH- .3 (OMG) > > LH .3 (OMG) > > Prolactin-5.7 > > > > Jan 24th > > Testoterone Serium 215 > > IGF-140 > > Cotisol-14.6 > > HEmo A1C 5.7 > > > > April 25th > > > > Total T-206 > > FSH-2.2 > > LH 2.7 > > > > No DHEA, Adrenal functions or E2 were drawn (the nurse seemed > pretty > > surpised that no E2 was drawn). So it seems that the TRT was > > probably causing a problem with the FSH and LH, and the numbers > have > > improved but yet his T levels are so low but the FSH and LH have > > rebounded some...... > > > > Any thoughts?????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what > you see. " > > Phil > > > > --------------------------------- > > Give spam the boot. Take control with tough spam protection > > in the all-new Beta. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Great explanation. Thanks. Chris --- sbryant511 <sbryant511@...> wrote: > This side of an actual sperm count test, it may be difficult to > pinpoint when the FSH is too > low for a given man. > > > HCG will NOT drive sperm production. HCG is a LH analog, and as such > it will drive > testosterone production in the leydig cells, and as a result it will > raise the intertesticular > level of T to the point that the testicles are a sperm production > friendly environment. > However, it will take FSH to drive the sertoli cells to product > sperm. > > HMG is distilled from the urine of menapausal women and it contains > both LH and FSH, > and that is why it is used to promote fertility in both men and > women. On the other hand > HCG is either distilled from the urine of pregnant women or it can be > made via > recombinant technology. > > let us know what you find out regarding your husbands situation. > > SB > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile./mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Ernie, I just have a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to RE's, it's getting to the point that I have lost all faith in the medical community. > > > > > > > > My name is (30) and my DH (JIm, 36) was diagnosed with low > > > > testosterone about 3-4 years ago (his original testosterone level > > was > > > > around 200). He was in androgel for several years (5% was the > > dose I > > > > believe) and late in 2006 his testosterone numbers were falling. > > THe > > > > Dr increased his androgel (5% times 2 on certain days of the > > week) > > > > and it didn't work. In a quest for an answer my husband decided > > to > > > > go to an enodcrinologist. His numbers in with the androgel were > > > > around 600 at the time and the Dr wanted him to go off of it to > > see > > > > what happened. We found that the reason the numbers > > were " falling " > > > > was that the lab work was being done in the afternoon. The endo > > took > > > > the hormone levels at the right time (after I did some research > > and > > > > insisted that the blood should be drawn before 9 am). > > > > > > > > He just got back his recent test results, and his testosterone > > was > > > > 206 (which I know is low). His LH was 2.7 and his FSH was 2.2. > > He > > > > had an estrodiol taken back in Jan, I am unsure what the numbers > > > > where at that time. THe nurse from the Dr office should call > > back > > > > soon with the numbers that we need. > > > > > > > > I am doing research so that my husband will not be brainwashed > > that > > > > he has a condition that he does not have and if he is in > > andropause > > > > we want all the info we need(I was brainwashed about a year ago > > that > > > > I have PCOS/IR, but actually I am hypothryoid and I believe I may > > > > have adrenal fatigue). I also want to make sure that his > > testosterone > > > > levels are not casued by thyroid, adrenal or any myriad medical > > > > issues that are assocaited with it. > > > > > > > > I am also seeking knowledge. I am unable to find the optimum FSH > > and > > > > LH ratio for men and what is considered " high or low " . WE are > > also > > > > planning to TTC baby #2 in the near future and I want to head off > > any > > > > fertility issues before we start TTC (if possible). > > > > > > > > I also want to point out that I have very little trust for the > > > > medical profession (for various reasons, I will tell you if you > > wnat > > > > to know) and WE want the knowledge that Drs tend to believe that > > we > > > > are unable to process on our own. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 What I am mad about is the fact we asked 2 different Dr's and they either didn't know that TRT could do this or thought that we couldn't process it. It just seems their is a plethora of information out their, but the experts either don't share it or think the patient is too stupid to process it. That is what irks me. Just wondering, how (besides losing the weight) can he get rid " fix " the possible estrogen problem. Do Dr's that treat testosterone disorders give a script for Armidex, since itis primarily used for women with breast cancer. IF this is like any other endocrine or metabolic disorder, losing weight isn't the only solution since it is caused by the disorder. It's like telling a person with a thyroid issues to lose weight, it's not always under their control, even on the right medication and suppliments. WOE (way of eating) isn't going to fix it, it may help, but unelss the underlying problem is addressed losing weight is going be difficult at best. (I know I struggle with this) So if he is primary the TRT will possibly " help " father a baby. I am just frustrated that after all of this time, his hormonal issues have not been treated as they should. Just got his > > number form his previous tests: > > > > > > Dec 22nd > > > > > > TSH 2.71 > > > T4 0.79 > > > Testosterone Serium-612 > > > Testosterone Free 21.9 > > > FSH- .3 (OMG) > > > LH .3 (OMG) > > > Prolactin-5.7 > > > > > > Jan 24th > > > Testoterone Serium 215 > > > IGF-140 > > > Cotisol-14.6 > > > HEmo A1C 5.7 > > > > > > April 25th > > > > > > Total T-206 > > > FSH-2.2 > > > LH 2.7 > > > > > > No DHEA, Adrenal functions or E2 were drawn (the nurse seemed > > pretty > > > surpised that no E2 was drawn). So it seems that the TRT was > > > probably causing a problem with the FSH and LH, and the numbers > > have > > > improved but yet his T levels are so low but the FSH and LH have > > > rebounded some...... > > > > > > Any thoughts?????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of > what > > you see. " > > > Phil > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Give spam the boot. Take control with tough spam protection > > > in the all-new Beta. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 That WOE is really strict...WOW. I did something slimialr to this when I was misdiagnosed with PCOS and DH lost the weight, I didn't. As for the diet Coke, that is one of my last pleasures in life (I gave up smoking and sugar) I don't think I could give it up. Plus, it keeps me form taking meds for migraines... We do drink A LOT of water, but because of the restrictions of my Dh's job I don't think he do a gallon a day. We do eat a lot of protein, we limit startches (usually whole grain/whole wheat breads) and we do eat a lot of veggies. I tend to do a lot of walking, usually on a treadmill about 20 minutes. I also do some yoga. I lift weights, 2 lbs, but I myself have increased testosterone levels and DHEAS and I have to watch how I exercise so that I don't bulk up too much and create MORE androgens. Dh is a bit more limited, (because of job and hours). He walks and started lifting weights. Not to mention when he gets home I usually have to go to class (grad-student) and he has to babysit our very demanding 2 year old. I have more leeway, I am a SAHM (stay at home mom)and do my exercising mostly when my little one sleeps. In our case, we have time issues. And usually my hubbie gets the shaft when it comes to exercise time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Arimidex has been FDA approved for women with breast cancer, but research (and a basic knowledge of human physiology) that it is beneficial in men as well, and SOME doctors are enlightened enough to prescribe it for this " off label " use for men that need to reduce conversion of testosterone to estrogen. You might as well as the doctor if he/she understands the process of aromatization. A whole bunch of bodybuilders understand it, that's for sure. Are you anywhere near Chicago, by any chance? I could make a recommendation for you. If your husband has primary hypogonadism, that would mean that his testes (rather than his pituitary) are the problem. Not good. If it is his pituitary (meaning secondary hypogonadism), then hcg (and hmg if you can get it) will help. Chris --- peppercorn12411 <peppercorn12411@...> wrote: > What I am mad about is the fact we asked 2 different Dr's and they > either didn't know that TRT could do this or thought that we couldn't > > process it. It just seems their is a plethora of information out > their, but the experts either don't share it or think the patient is > too stupid to process it. That is what irks me. > > Just wondering, how (besides losing the weight) can he get rid " fix " > the possible estrogen problem. Do Dr's that treat testosterone > disorders give a script for Armidex, since itis primarily used for > women with breast cancer. > > IF this is like any other endocrine or metabolic disorder, losing > weight isn't the only solution since it is caused by the disorder. > It's like telling a person with a thyroid issues to lose weight, it's > > not always under their control, even on the right medication and > suppliments. WOE (way of eating) isn't going to fix it, it may help, > but unelss the underlying problem is addressed losing weight is going > > be difficult at best. (I know I struggle with this) > > So if he is primary the TRT will possibly " help " father a baby. > > I am just frustrated that after all of this time, his hormonal issues > > have not been treated as they should. > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by " Green Rating " at Autos' Green Center. http://autos./green_center/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 , I lost almost 40 pounds a few years ago (before TRT) just by changing my diet, and I believe my poor diet in my 20s was the cause of my secondary hypogonadism (too much fat, too much aromatization, therefore too much estrogen and pituitary suppression). If diet coke and the phenylalanine in it (from the Aspartame) are keeping you from getting headaches, then supplement why not L-phenylalanine? I wouldn't medicate with diet coke. I've gotten used to green tea with sparkling water and occasionally a bit of honey. While on TRT I have gotten some headaches that I didn't get before, so I do this: http://www.vrp.com/art/552.asp (see Tyrosine and Phenylalanine section). This is meant to help libido, but it actually helps my frontal lobe headaches! My weights workout takes about 40 minutes, 3 times a week. I go for a brisk 20 minute walk during the work day, once or twice a day, weather permitting. I do " Starting Strength " (a book published by Mark Rippetoe). My wife and I have two young children (one is 3, the other is 9 months). I know what you mean about time. I have to find time. It won't find me. Chris --- peppercorn12411 <peppercorn12411@...> wrote: > That WOE is really strict...WOW. I did something slimialr to this > when I was misdiagnosed with PCOS and DH lost the weight, I didn't. > > As for the diet Coke, that is one of my last pleasures in life (I > gave up smoking and sugar) I don't think I could give it up. Plus, > it keeps me form taking meds for migraines... > > We do drink A LOT of water, but because of the restrictions of my > Dh's job I don't think he do a gallon a day. > > We do eat a lot of protein, we limit startches (usually whole > grain/whole wheat breads) and we do eat a lot of veggies. > > I tend to do a lot of walking, usually on a treadmill about 20 > minutes. I also do some yoga. I lift weights, 2 lbs, but I myself > have increased testosterone levels and DHEAS and I have to watch how > I exercise so that I don't bulk up too much and create MORE > androgens. > > Dh is a bit more limited, (because of job and hours). He walks and > started lifting weights. Not to mention when he gets home I usually > have to go to class (grad-student) and he has to babysit our very > demanding 2 year old. I have more leeway, I am a SAHM (stay at home > mom)and do my exercising mostly when my little one sleeps. > > In our case, we have time issues. And usually my hubbie gets the > shaft when it comes to exercise time. > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545433 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 First we need him tested to see if he has high Estradiol. If so it is like a low thyroid until you get your thyroid right your not going to lose weight. Same thing with low testosterone and high Estradiol until you fix this you will have a very hard time losing weight. There are a few things he can do now for his testis get on some Zinc/Copper we are all low on this because of are Diet the cattle are corn fed they don't eat grass and this is were we get most of are zinc. Zinc is dam good for his testis and helps keep Estradiol down. I use this. http://www.myvitanet.com/zincop100cnt.html You can get any kind but Zinc lowes Copper in the body so for every 50mgs of zinc you need 2 mgs of Copper. There is Arimidex to keep Estradiol down and most Dr.'s are not up on this so when you call one ask if they test for Estradiol and if it's high do they use Arimidex to get it down. If the Dr. dose and if he uses HCG to treat men that are secondary you have a good Dr.. There is an OTC product called Indolplex/DIM this will convert Estradiol into good Estragens so the liver can wash them out easer. But don't take this unless you know his Estradiol levels are high you can bring them down to low and this is just as bad. http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html peppercorn12411 <peppercorn12411@...> wrote: What I am mad about is the fact we asked 2 different Dr's and they either didn't know that TRT could do this or thought that we couldn't process it. It just seems their is a plethora of information out their, but the experts either don't share it or think the patient is too stupid to process it. That is what irks me. Just wondering, how (besides losing the weight) can he get rid " fix " the possible estrogen problem. Do Dr's that treat testosterone disorders give a script for Armidex, since itis primarily used for women with breast cancer. IF this is like any other endocrine or metabolic disorder, losing weight isn't the only solution since it is caused by the disorder. It's like telling a person with a thyroid issues to lose weight, it's not always under their control, even on the right medication and suppliments. WOE (way of eating) isn't going to fix it, it may help, but unelss the underlying problem is addressed losing weight is going be difficult at best. (I know I struggle with this) So if he is primary the TRT will possibly " help " father a baby. I am just frustrated that after all of this time, his hormonal issues have not been treated as they should. Just got his > > number form his previous tests: > > > > > > Dec 22nd > > > > > > TSH 2.71 > > > T4 0.79 > > > Testosterone Serium-612 > > > Testosterone Free 21.9 > > > FSH- .3 (OMG) > > > LH .3 (OMG) > > > Prolactin-5.7 > > > > > > Jan 24th > > > Testoterone Serium 215 > > > IGF-140 > > > Cotisol-14.6 > > > HEmo A1C 5.7 > > > > > > April 25th > > > > > > Total T-206 > > > FSH-2.2 > > > LH 2.7 > > > > > > No DHEA, Adrenal functions or E2 were drawn (the nurse seemed > > pretty > > > surpised that no E2 was drawn). So it seems that the TRT was > > > probably causing a problem with the FSH and LH, and the numbers > > have > > > improved but yet his T levels are so low but the FSH and LH have > > > rebounded some...... > > > > > > Any thoughts?????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of > what > > you see. " > > > Phil > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Give spam the boot. Take control with tough spam protection > > > in the all-new Beta. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 He takes a multi-vitamins, but I just checked the lable and it only contains 15mgs of Zinc, and it does contain the 2mgs of Copper needed. I will definately get him to take more Zinc....IS there usch a thing as too much Zinc?? As for the Armidex and the Idolplex, wouldn't progesterone cream do the same thing if he was estrogen dominate? We talked last night and decided to go back to the endo (I will go with him this time) and we will insist that he orders the correct labs (ha already has a scheduledappt for the end of this month. We are using him to do the labs until we can find another Dr that is to our liking and will fullfill my Dh's needs. I have a feeling it may take some time. Once we compile a list of Dr's we will start calling. Just got his > > > number form his previous tests: > > > > > > > > Dec 22nd > > > > > > > > TSH 2.71 > > > > T4 0.79 > > > > Testosterone Serium-612 > > > > Testosterone Free 21.9 > > > > FSH- .3 (OMG) > > > > LH .3 (OMG) > > > > Prolactin-5.7 > > > > > > > > Jan 24th > > > > Testoterone Serium 215 > > > > IGF-140 > > > > Cotisol-14.6 > > > > HEmo A1C 5.7 > > > > > > > > April 25th > > > > > > > > Total T-206 > > > > FSH-2.2 > > > > LH 2.7 > > > > > > > > No DHEA, Adrenal functions or E2 were drawn (the nurse seemed > > > pretty > > > > surpised that no E2 was drawn). So it seems that the TRT was > > > > probably causing a problem with the FSH and LH, and the numbers > > > have > > > > improved but yet his T levels are so low but the FSH and LH > have > > > > rebounded some...... > > > > > > > > Any thoughts?????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of > > what > > > you see. " > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Give spam the boot. Take control with tough spam protection > > > > in the all-new Beta. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 I don't think a man can over dose zinc at 100mgs a day or less. I do 50 mgs and get 15mgs in my multi-vitamins. No Progesterone cream in men makes more E's. If you go back to this Endo are you sure he will run the tests. I just don't like them I have been messed over so bad by them. They tell you one thing and do something different. What about the Dr. that put him on Androgel. peppercorn12411 <peppercorn12411@...> wrote: He takes a multi-vitamins, but I just checked the lable and it only contains 15mgs of Zinc, and it does contain the 2mgs of Copper needed. I will definately get him to take more Zinc....IS there usch a thing as too much Zinc?? As for the Armidex and the Idolplex, wouldn't progesterone cream do the same thing if he was estrogen dominate? We talked last night and decided to go back to the endo (I will go with him this time) and we will insist that he orders the correct labs (ha already has a scheduledappt for the end of this month. We are using him to do the labs until we can find another Dr that is to our liking and will fullfill my Dh's needs. I have a feeling it may take some time. Once we compile a list of Dr's we will start calling. Just got his > > > number form his previous tests: > > > > > > > > Dec 22nd > > > > > > > > TSH 2.71 > > > > T4 0.79 > > > > Testosterone Serium-612 > > > > Testosterone Free 21.9 > > > > FSH- .3 (OMG) > > > > LH .3 (OMG) > > > > Prolactin-5.7 > > > > > > > > Jan 24th > > > > Testoterone Serium 215 > > > > IGF-140 > > > > Cotisol-14.6 > > > > HEmo A1C 5.7 > > > > > > > > April 25th > > > > > > > > Total T-206 > > > > FSH-2.2 > > > > LH 2.7 > > > > > > > > No DHEA, Adrenal functions or E2 were drawn (the nurse seemed > > > pretty > > > > surpised that no E2 was drawn). So it seems that the TRT was > > > > probably causing a problem with the FSH and LH, and the numbers > > > have > > > > improved but yet his T levels are so low but the FSH and LH > have > > > > rebounded some...... > > > > > > > > Any thoughts?????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of > > what > > > you see. " > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Give spam the boot. Take control with tough spam protection > > > > in the all-new Beta. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 , Yes, there is such a thing as too much zinc. Over 100mg a day would be too much, even if taken with adequate amounts of copper. Please search on " zinc toxicity " and " copper toxicity " . Arimidex should be prescribed to lower conversion of testosterone to estradiol. Don't rely on over-the-counter progesterone. No point introducing another possible hormone imbalance unless your doctor recommends this to you. Chris --- peppercorn12411 <peppercorn12411@...> wrote: > He takes a multi-vitamins, but I just checked the lable and it only > contains 15mgs of Zinc, and it does contain the 2mgs of Copper > needed. > > I will definately get him to take more Zinc....IS there usch a thing > as too much Zinc?? > > As for the Armidex and the Idolplex, wouldn't progesterone cream do > the same thing if he was estrogen dominate? > > We talked last night and decided to go back to the endo (I will go > with him this time) and we will insist that he orders the correct > labs (ha already has a scheduledappt for the end of this month. We > are using him to do the labs until we can find another Dr that is to > our liking and will fullfill my Dh's needs. I have a feeling it may > take some time. Once we compile a list of Dr's we will start > calling. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness./webhosting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 I thought (and read)that progesteone cream will block estrogen in men. We are not doing anything until he gets the appropriate tests. The original Dr that put him on Androgel told my DH that a level of 200 is ok and kept taking levels at various times. Sometimes it was in the morning, other times it was in the afternoon and other times is was after work. He wasn't consistant. This is also the same Dr that had him using double dose of the stuff on certain days of the week. (He was DH's primary care Dr and we have moved from that area since then). The Dr that he saw before the endo knew less than the endo. HE also stated a level of 200 is Ok and " normal " , and told my DH that taking a morning level wouldn't change anything. Dh had to fight him just to check his levels, and the guy wouldn't run a thyroid panel on him either at his yearly physical. No I am not sure that this endo will do the tests, but we are gonna put an enormous amount pressure on this guy. IF it takes a fit, I will be willing to throw it. IF he still refuses, well we will just file a grievance with his office and the state medical board ( I have done this before with another Dr. It may not do anything, but it makes me feel better). What bothers me about this endo, instead of treating the primary issue (the testosterone) he is " looking " for other things. Running other tests except the ones that Dh needs. HE is convinced that DH has metabloic syndrome (IR) and is developing diabetes BASED on ONE fasting blood sugar level (it was 106) while every other one before it has been well under 100. He will not do another fasting glucose UNLESS DH does a GTT. So if he wants DH to get a GTT, we will use that as leverage.....IF you want the GTT we want this....If you give us this Dh will do the GTT. We will also remind him that he is working for us..IF he doesn't do what we ask we will fire him there on the spot. I have a friend who is an RN and she is going to look for a Dr(s) that will treat my Dh and has treated men with Andropause. Also she will be looking into a Dr that will be willing treat my hypoT. A collegue of hers went through several RE's until she found one that was knowledgeable enough. My RN friend is also going to check with her. My RN friend is mortified that my hubbie has not recieved the right testing, and agrees that finding a good Dr is very hard to come by (she can't even find a decent PCP in our area). IS it a guarantee that this guy will do the right testing ...NO...but we are sure going to do our darnest to make sure it happens. I will get a copy of the order right there before he goes to the lab. IF the ones are not on their then I will remind him again. We will be ready for him. Truthfully I don't like or trust ANY Dr that I have encountered in the past 5 years, if find them pompous and arrogant, and clueless. (even the females) > > I don't think a man can over dose zinc at 100mgs a day or less. I do 50 mgs and get 15mgs in my multi-vitamins. No Progesterone cream in men makes more E's. If you go back to this Endo are you sure he will run the tests. I just don't like them I have been messed over so bad by them. They tell you one thing and do something different. What about the Dr. that put him on Androgel. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 I use Diet COke to ease the onset so I can get to the Chiropractor. THis isn't your run of the mill headache, it's a migriane. Earth shattering, the world is coming to and end and I want to die headache. It shuts me down, I can't function at all. I do think that my migraines are related to my thyroid (they statred when I started having symtpoms of hypoT). The onset of migraines do correltate with significant changes in my levels which also correlates to stress and other hormonal issues. The only thing that works is the chiro (I have tried meds, and suppliments), the diet coke and the caffeine make it so I can get there. I figure the diet coke is better than popping a pill. I know some people feel that Diet COke is just as bad as regular Coke, but the way I look at it, it is a moderation. I also know that some report say that the phenaylaline " causes " cancer and IR..but these are from extrmely high doses. Even things good for you in high doses are bad.:0) I am glad that WOE worked for you, but it is like anything else what will work for one won't work for another. DH did real well on the GI diet, but we have not stuck to it since my Mother had brain surgery for a brain tumor. HE did better than I did....The only thing that " worked " for me was to be Metformin (during my supposed PCOS) and it made me so sick that I couldn't eat and when I did eat...well you get the picture. (lost 42 lbs that way). As for the exercise, Dh said last night that he is just too fatigued some days to even try. It's s vicious cycle, your tired so you don't exercise, and you gain weight which makes you more tired and then add the fact that your endocrine system isn't optimal, and that makes you tired and you don't exercise. Not to mention ther is only so many hours in a day and your wife demands that you take care of the baby so she can get some homework done and cook dinner, and.......;0) > > , > I lost almost 40 pounds a few years ago (before TRT) just by changing > my diet, and I believe my poor diet in my 20s was the cause of my > secondary hypogonadism (too much fat, too much aromatization, therefore > too much estrogen and pituitary suppression). > > If diet coke and the phenylalanine in it (from the Aspartame) are > keeping you from getting headaches, then supplement why not > L-phenylalanine? I wouldn't medicate with diet coke. I've gotten used > to green tea with sparkling water and occasionally a bit of honey. > > While on TRT I have gotten some headaches that I didn't get before, so > I do this: > > http://www.vrp.com/art/552.asp (see Tyrosine and Phenylalanine > section). This is meant to help libido, but it actually helps my > frontal lobe headaches! > > My weights workout takes about 40 minutes, 3 times a week. I go for a > brisk 20 minute walk during the work day, once or twice a day, weather > permitting. I do " Starting Strength " (a book published by Mark > Rippetoe). > > My wife and I have two young children (one is 3, the other is 9 > months). I know what you mean about time. I have to find time. It > won't find me. > > Chris > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545433 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 No progesteone in men when to high will drive up E's. Your plain sounds like it's the best you can try for now. If push comes to shove you can drive here to MI. and see Dr. it would only need to be one trip. It's $300 to see him the first time he spends about 1.5 to 2 hrs. with you then any thing there after is less then my Co-Pay $50. www.allthingsmale.com You can post to him at his web site go to this link and read the stickys. It is just dam hard to find a good Dr. for his. http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/ If I had all the money I wasted on bad Dr.'s I would be dam well off. If you husbands Dr. had him test at different times of the day on Testosterone meds it does not matter. Men need to be tested first thing in the morning when they are being tested to see if they have low T but once your on it your body is not making anymore. peppercorn12411 <peppercorn12411@...> wrote: I thought (and read)that progesteone cream will block estrogen in men. We are not doing anything until he gets the appropriate tests. The original Dr that put him on Androgel told my DH that a level of 200 is ok and kept taking levels at various times. Sometimes it was in the morning, other times it was in the afternoon and other times is was after work. He wasn't consistant. This is also the same Dr that had him using double dose of the stuff on certain days of the week. (He was DH's primary care Dr and we have moved from that area since then). The Dr that he saw before the endo knew less than the endo. HE also stated a level of 200 is Ok and " normal " , and told my DH that taking a morning level wouldn't change anything. Dh had to fight him just to check his levels, and the guy wouldn't run a thyroid panel on him either at his yearly physical. No I am not sure that this endo will do the tests, but we are gonna put an enormous amount pressure on this guy. IF it takes a fit, I will be willing to throw it. IF he still refuses, well we will just file a grievance with his office and the state medical board ( I have done this before with another Dr. It may not do anything, but it makes me feel better). What bothers me about this endo, instead of treating the primary issue (the testosterone) he is " looking " for other things. Running other tests except the ones that Dh needs. HE is convinced that DH has metabloic syndrome (IR) and is developing diabetes BASED on ONE fasting blood sugar level (it was 106) while every other one before it has been well under 100. He will not do another fasting glucose UNLESS DH does a GTT. So if he wants DH to get a GTT, we will use that as leverage.....IF you want the GTT we want this....If you give us this Dh will do the GTT. We will also remind him that he is working for us..IF he doesn't do what we ask we will fire him there on the spot. I have a friend who is an RN and she is going to look for a Dr(s) that will treat my Dh and has treated men with Andropause. Also she will be looking into a Dr that will be willing treat my hypoT. A collegue of hers went through several RE's until she found one that was knowledgeable enough. My RN friend is also going to check with her. My RN friend is mortified that my hubbie has not recieved the right testing, and agrees that finding a good Dr is very hard to come by (she can't even find a decent PCP in our area). IS it a guarantee that this guy will do the right testing ...NO...but we are sure going to do our darnest to make sure it happens. I will get a copy of the order right there before he goes to the lab. IF the ones are not on their then I will remind him again. We will be ready for him. Truthfully I don't like or trust ANY Dr that I have encountered in the past 5 years, if find them pompous and arrogant, and clueless. (even the females) > > I don't think a man can over dose zinc at 100mgs a day or less. I do 50 mgs and get 15mgs in my multi-vitamins. No Progesterone cream in men makes more E's. If you go back to this Endo are you sure he will run the tests. I just don't like them I have been messed over so bad by them. They tell you one thing and do something different. What about the Dr. that put him on Androgel. > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. " Phil --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 , If your husband lacks energy to exercise, try sublingual B12 (methylcobalamin). Some bodybuilders use it. Any good drugstore or vitamin store should have it. Chris --- peppercorn12411 <peppercorn12411@...> wrote: > > > I use Diet COke to ease the onset so I can get to the Chiropractor. > THis isn't your run of the mill headache, it's a migriane. Earth > shattering, the world is coming to and end and I want to die > headache. It shuts me down, I can't function at all. I do think that > my migraines are related to my thyroid (they statred when I started > having symtpoms of hypoT). The onset of migraines do correltate with > significant changes in my levels which also correlates to stress and > other hormonal issues. > > The only thing that works is the chiro (I have tried meds, and > suppliments), the diet coke and the caffeine make it so I can get > there. > > I figure the diet coke is better than popping a pill. I know some > people feel that Diet COke is just as bad as regular Coke, but the > way I look at it, it is a moderation. I also know that some report > say that the phenaylaline " causes " cancer and IR..but these are from > extrmely high doses. > > Even things good for you in high doses are bad.:0) > > I am glad that WOE worked for you, but it is like anything else what > will work for one won't work for another. DH did real well on the GI > > diet, but we have not stuck to it since my Mother had brain surgery > for a brain tumor. HE did better than I did....The only thing > that " worked " for me was to be Metformin (during my supposed PCOS) > and it made me so sick that I couldn't eat and when I did eat...well > you get the picture. (lost 42 lbs that way). > > As for the exercise, Dh said last night that he is just too fatigued > some days to even try. It's s vicious cycle, your tired so you don't > > exercise, and you gain weight which makes you more tired and then add > > the fact that your endocrine system isn't optimal, and that makes you > > tired and you don't exercise. Not to mention ther is only so many > hours in a day and your wife demands that you take care of the baby > so she can get some homework done and cook dinner, and.......;0) > > > > > > > > > , > > I lost almost 40 pounds a few years ago (before TRT) just by > changing > > my diet, and I believe my poor diet in my 20s was the cause of my > > secondary hypogonadism (too much fat, too much aromatization, > therefore > > too much estrogen and pituitary suppression). > > > > If diet coke and the phenylalanine in it (from the Aspartame) are > > keeping you from getting headaches, then supplement why not > > L-phenylalanine? I wouldn't medicate with diet coke. I've gotten > used > > to green tea with sparkling water and occasionally a bit of honey. > > > > While on TRT I have gotten some headaches that I didn't get before, > > so > > I do this: > > > > http://www.vrp.com/art/552.asp (see Tyrosine and Phenylalanine > > section). This is meant to help libido, but it actually helps my > > frontal lobe headaches! > > > > My weights workout takes about 40 minutes, 3 times a week. I go > for a > > brisk 20 minute walk during the work day, once or twice a day, > weather > > permitting. I do " Starting Strength " (a book published by Mark > > Rippetoe). > > > > My wife and I have two young children (one is 3, the other is 9 > > months). I know what you mean about time. I have to find time. > It > > won't find me. > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers > > from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. > > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545433 > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 > So I guess I'm looking for an enzyme for gluten, corn, and > salycilates. I used HNI AFP Peptizyde for gluten, and No-Fenol for salicylates. Some people have luck with No-Fenol and Zyme Prime for corn, but my son needed more than just enzymes for corn. http://www.houstonni.com/ > I think I will try to teach him to take a pill. Ideas here http://www.danasview.net/capsules.htm > Some folks here are saying yellow stool might mean yeast. What do I > do about that? Ideas here http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Hello Shirley I did some research on yellow stool and a lot of it is connected to failure to digest nutrients properly. If he is having so many difficulties with other foods I definitely recommend enzymes. The problem with a lot of enzymes is that they digest only one thing proteins. But there's a product I've used for years and I really like. They have the number one selling digestive enzyme. It's Enzymedica's Digest Gold. It is a capsule but you can put it in his water. IT IS the most POTENT enzyme out there. Enzymedica also make a children's enzyme, but with his conditions I recommend a more potent one. I hate to recommend so many different products but with his symptoms I would also recommend Enzymedica's GLUTEN EASE and LACTO. If you're interested in the technical side of Gluten Ease, it digests offending proteins. When people with gluten intolerances consume a protease with DPP-IV activity (in Gluten Ease), the enzyme reduces the inflammatory response to the gluten peptide thus digesting and utilizing the gluten. Lacto is for people who are lactose intolerant. You could give it a try and see if it helps him with milks and cheeses. The great thing about this company is that it is 100% guaranteed. If it doesn't work they just refund your money. Isn't that awesome!? Well I hope this helps and isn't too long of a response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Dana and Allesandra, Thank you for all that information. I am going to hold on to it and look into it. I have had huge problems trying to get my son to take the powders enzymes. I tried to put it into everything imaginable and thought for sure the chocolate wafers would work. It became a huge battle and he is normally excellent about taking supplements. So I bought Buddy bear digest by renew life. If anyone has any experience with it please let me know. Perhaps it isn't potent enough? Does it count that he is on a gluten free diet? I was going to start to give him a little gluten like toast or pasta once a week or so. Would that make a less potent formula work better? Also he hardly drinks any milk or cheese. I haven't made a connection to him having difficulty with that. The buddy bear also comes in a probiotic. I am supposed to do that as well right? Thanks everyone for your help. I'm so confused I feel like I'm learning a new language. Shirley > > Hello Shirley > I did some research on yellow stool and a lot of it is connected to > failure to digest nutrients properly. If he is having so many > difficulties with other foods I definitely recommend enzymes. The > problem with a lot of enzymes is that they digest only one thing > proteins. But there's a product I've used for years and I really > like. They have the number one selling digestive enzyme. It's > Enzymedica's Digest Gold. It is a capsule but you can put it in his > water. IT IS the most POTENT enzyme out there. Enzymedica also make a > children's enzyme, but with his conditions I recommend a more potent > one. I hate to recommend so many different products but with his > symptoms I would also recommend Enzymedica's GLUTEN EASE and LACTO. > If you're interested in the technical side of Gluten Ease, it digests > offending proteins. When people with gluten intolerances consume a > protease with DPP-IV activity (in Gluten Ease), the enzyme reduces > the inflammatory response to the gluten peptide thus digesting and > utilizing the gluten. Lacto is for people who are lactose intolerant. > You could give it a try and see if it helps him with milks and > cheeses. The great thing about this company is that it is 100% > guaranteed. If it doesn't work they just refund your money. Isn't > that awesome!? Well I hope this helps and isn't too long of a > response. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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