Re: Choosing Water Filters

August 1, 2009

My research agrees with everything at the URL but one.

It's not the " best " as distilled water is even freer of

any contaminates, erh, most of them, below 0.01%.

Certainly, this product is a not a 'solve all', magic bullet,

as there is a percentage of contaminates, of all types,

that does get through. It might be below 1%, but it's there.

The copper/zinc, KDF55 is terrific. Kills germs.

Carbon is great too. These two together is best, imho.

Design changes in these filters that use both of these substances

do remove fluoride, but not all filter brands have these new design

changes.

These appear to be expensive. Mercola's products can be found

for less, in about 80% of the cases, if he does not have an exclusive

on them. About 20 to 50% less. More like 20% most times.

So, the savings is offset by time spent looking for a cheaper source.

Certainly, Mercola offers a " starter " package, and later filter replacements

can be purchased from a cheaper source.

I would buy KDF/Charcoal filter for my drinking water if distilled water

did not cost me just 30 cents a gallon for electricity. Some labor

time on my part, 10-20 minutes a day (I use 2-3 gallons a day,

some for cooking, rinsing veggies, rice, etc).

I use KDF55 in my high flow shower filter for the last 10 years now.

There is a KDF55 with " crystals " but I react to those crystals, so

just KDF is best, imho.

August 2, 2009

Thank you for your opinion, much appreciated. The only problem I have with

distilled water is " Does it keep the minerals in the water we need? "

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: <pete-@...>

Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2009 6:00:56 PM

Subject: Re: [] Choosing Water Filters

My research agrees with everything at the URL but one.

It's not the " best " as distilled water is even freer of

any contaminates, erh, most of them, below 0.01%.

Certainly, this product is a not a 'solve all', magic bullet,

as there is a percentage of contaminates, of all types,

that does get through. It might be below 1%, but it's there.

The copper/zinc, KDF55 is terrific. Kills germs.

Carbon is great too. These two together is best, imho.

Design changes in these filters that use both of these substances

do remove fluoride, but not all filter brands have these new design

changes.

These appear to be expensive. Mercola's products can be found

for less, in about 80% of the cases, if he does not have an exclusive

on them. About 20 to 50% less. More like 20% most times.

So, the savings is offset by time spent looking for a cheaper source.

Certainly, Mercola offers a " starter " package, and later filter replacements

can be purchased from a cheaper source.

I would buy KDF/Charcoal filter for my drinking water if distilled water

did not cost me just 30 cents a gallon for electricity. Some labor

time on my part, 10-20 minutes a day (I use 2-3 gallons a day,

some for cooking, rinsing veggies, rice, etc).

I use KDF55 in my high flow shower filter for the last 10 years now.

There is a KDF55 with " crystals " but I react to those crystals, so

just KDF is best, imho.

August 2, 2009

At 06:17 PM 8/1/2009, dragonflymcs wrote:

> Thank you for your opinion, much appreciated. The only problem I

> have with distilled water is " Does it keep the minerals in the water we need? "

You get less than 1% of the body's needed minerals from water, if that much.

Measure it yourself. Set out a gallon of water, a day's drinking supply, and

let it evaporate. The gram or two of minerals left over is 80% calcium.

Weigh it. Compare that with RDA, or better recommendations.

Then realize the mineral in water is not chelated, and you absorb

less than 10% of it.

Ground grown food is where you get minerals, ripe fruit and veggies.

I've done a lot of research into this aspect. So far neither side has any

hard evidence, no proof, for any of their claims. I do know I do much

better on clean, pure water, than tap or plastic bottled water.

I drank glass bottled water for 4 years before switching to make

my own pure water. The glass bottled cost me $200 a month,

and was worth it, as it speeded my recover, a lot.

Evian water, even the batches with higher arsenic... which I

found I could taste. Well, I tasted something bad. I switched

to a cheaper brand, and when I went back to Evian, I could

not tolerate it's taste.

I've torn apart every web page that claims distilled water is bad.

It was way too easy. Regarding claims that distilled water is

good for you... there was not many claims to tear into. So,

the people who claim distilled is bad, appear to use a lot

of emotional arguments, and put out their reputations as

" experts " , but had no credentials to speak on " water safety "

and " health benefits " . They totally discredited themselves

with their lack of sound scientific arguments. The side

claiming distilled water is okay... mostly you are not drinking

the toxins found in tap water. That's true enough. No proof

needed.

I researched the side effects of no minerals in the water,...,

then started doing it. I've had no side effects. 6 years now.

All you have to do to rip up either sides' arguments is just

ask these questions:

1) What physical mechanism is responsible for each factoid claimed?

It leaches minerals from the body? How? Where?

2) How quickly does it manifest? (Bad or good health)

3) Any non anecdotal studies, even unpublished ones?

No one has answers.

August 2, 2009

Distilled water contains nothing but H2O. All minerals are removed.

There are trace mineral concentrates that you can add back to the water if

necessary.

Jean

August 2, 2009

---

At the clinic I treated at I was told NOT to drink distilled water as it would

leach minerals out of your body if taken long term because it is void of all

minerals, nutrients, etc. It made sense, they recommend Spring water (REAL

Spring water, not tap water that is treated and sold as Spring water) D

In , dragonflymcs <dragonflymcs@...> wrote:

>

> Thank you for your opinion, much appreciated. The only problem I have with

distilled water is " Does it keep the minerals in the water we need? "

>

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

>

> ________________________________

> From: <pete-@...>

>

> Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2009 6:00:56 PM

> Subject: Re: [] Choosing Water Filters

>

> My research agrees with everything at the URL but one.

> It's not the " best " as distilled water is even freer of

> any contaminates, erh, most of them, below 0.01%.

>

> Certainly, this product is a not a 'solve all', magic bullet,

> as there is a percentage of contaminates, of all types,

> that does get through. It might be below 1%, but it's there.

>

> The copper/zinc, KDF55 is terrific. Kills germs.

> Carbon is great too. These two together is best, imho.

>

> Design changes in these filters that use both of these substances

> do remove fluoride, but not all filter brands have these new design

> changes.

>

> These appear to be expensive. Mercola's products can be found

> for less, in about 80% of the cases, if he does not have an exclusive

> on them. About 20 to 50% less. More like 20% most times.

> So, the savings is offset by time spent looking for a cheaper source.

>

> Certainly, Mercola offers a " starter " package, and later filter replacements

> can be purchased from a cheaper source.

>

> I would buy KDF/Charcoal filter for my drinking water if distilled water

> did not cost me just 30 cents a gallon for electricity. Some labor

> time on my part, 10-20 minutes a day (I use 2-3 gallons a day,

> some for cooking, rinsing veggies, rice, etc).

>

> I use KDF55 in my high flow shower filter for the last 10 years now.

> There is a KDF55 with " crystals " but I react to those crystals, so

> just KDF is best, imho.

>

August 2, 2009

Thank you for your responce much appreciated !!

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: <pete-@...>

Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 2:01:55 AM

Subject: Re: [] Choosing Water Filters

At 06:17 PM 8/1/2009, dragonflymcs wrote:

> Thank you for your opinion, much appreciated. The only problem I

> have with distilled water is " Does it keep the minerals in the water we need? "

You get less than 1% of the body's needed minerals from water, if that much.

Measure it yourself.

August 2, 2009

I'm a scientist, and " hard facts " are what I deal with.

And I have found that those with MCS need hard facts,

to make the best possible, highly informed decision.

So, I am posting some clarifications regarding

the content of distilled water. Notice, that Arrowhead

and Sparkletts do not sell pure water in their bottles

labeled Distilled Water. More below. Also, watch

out for the small plastic bits in their 2.5 gallon jugs.

I'll never buy 2.5 gallon jugs again. Never. Not worth

the health impact of digesting plastic, imho.

At 08:39 AM 8/2/2009, you wrote:

> Distilled water contains nothing but H2O.

A common misconception. I'd say that triple steam distilled water comes close.

Fractional distillation even closer. There are many distillation processes.

Steam distillation does remove the minerals, almost completely,

99.999% or more,

but it's not 100% without very expensive additional equipment or

extra distilling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distilled_water

Quote:

leaving most solid contaminants behind.

Steam distilled water also contains two types of vapors, those that boil off

below 212 degrees, and those that boil off above 212 degrees. To a degree.

If the distiller is properly engineered, one types leaves via a small

escape hole.

The other type is pretty much present in the distilled water.

One can " preboil " the water, like I do, up to 195 degrees is a roiling boil,

which drives off most of the vapors that boil below 212 degrees, and

the final drinking water tastes much better. It's not 100.0000%, but

it's up there, like above 90 to 95% gone.

Vapors that boil above 212 degrees will be present in the drinking water.

These chemicals can be quite dangerous to ones health.

As they were present in the tap water to begin with, and distilling reduced

the concentration, distilled water is still safer.

How do " minerals " remain in distilled water? The water molecules leave

the surface of the roiling boil with such high velocity, they can, through

friction, give a mineral molecule adequate velocity to escape into the

air above the water surface. Most of these minerals fall back into the

water, but not all. Instead, the fast moving steam carries the mineral

molecule with it into the condensing coil.

Double distilled water means that, say, 99.99% of minerals is removed, leaving

0.001%. The second distillation removes the same percentage. So, that

0.001% would change to 0.00001% minerals remaining in the water.

Does not seem like much? It's literally millions of mineral

molecules, millions.

But a trillion trillion, or so, mineral molecules were removed. These numbers

are approximate.

--

Read the label on Arrowhead Distilled water and it's not steam

distilled, but deionized.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deionized_water

Quote:

However, deionization does not significantly remove uncharged organic

molecules, viruses or bacteria, except by incidental trapping in the resin.

> All minerals are removed.

True, almost.

>There are trace mineral concentrates that you can add back to the water if

>necessary.

True. I've tried them. Now I just sun my water for 3-7 days in glass bottles

to restore the natural taste, from the flat taste. The bond angle between the

H-O-H of steam is 109 degrees. Relaxation makes it 105 degrees, restoring

a taste near identical to snow melt spring water.

August 3, 2009

There is " some small amount " of true to distilled water leaching minerals.

For most people, on normal diets, nothing happens, no bad health effects.

A lot of people do not eat " normal', which means a balance meal of

carbs, starches and protein. If you eat only foods low in minerals (meat,

no veggies or fruits) and drink distilled water, then you are " at risk. "

At 09:51 AM 8/2/2009, you wrote:

>At the clinic I treated at I was told NOT to drink distilled water

>as it would leach minerals out of your body

I would ask " Tell me the physical mechanism where this happens? "

In the stomach? From what tissue? In the intestine? The blood vessels?

An organ or gland? The muscles? Where is this " leaching " occurring?

Think for yourself about this. As soon as the water is in the stomach, it

is diluted by stomach acid, enzymes, etc. When it enters the blood stream

it diluted again. How fast does it enter the blood stream? How many inches

of blood vessels have this now very diluted distilled water? And does this

blood now go and leach minerals out of other cells? Which ones?

Or does this blood, already full of minerals, continue to put

minerals into cells?

What transport mechanism removed the minerals from the cells and blood?

Just a dilution factor? I have 5 quarts of blood. I drink a 4 quarts of water

a day. Does this mean how much minerals are leached? Per day please.

Does food have more minerals than water? How much more? 2? 5? 10? 20

times more?

So, does eating food with minerals offset the distilled water?

How much?

There just is " no valid " information on this " leaching " , and none of

these questions

are answered, to any degree, in any of my readings, from these " experts " who

claim, merely claim, that " leaching " occurs.

>if taken long term because it is void of all minerals, nutrients, etc.

The source of the rumor that it leaches minerals is a team of

scientists drank 'fresh melt' glacier water for several weeks, and

one collapsed. Upon hospitalization they found he lacked

electrolyte (minerals) levels in his blood, and tested his

colleagues. They did too. They tested this water, and determined

that the coldness of the water was greatly effecting their digestion.

Ice cold water, 32 degrees, does not just " dampening " digestion,

it almost turns it off. You absorb less than 5-10% of the nutrients

you eat. You get sick fast (1 to 2 weeks tops).

Now, I must ask what were they eating? Just meat? No fresh

and ripe fruits and veggies? As only then would such happen.

Turns out the one man very sick was Swedish, and ate mostly meat.

No fruits, a few veggies.

So, we do not have even an anecdotal study, just one " story " that

appears to be the basis for this rumor of " leaching " .

I do know of people who eat just meat, which is very mineral poor.

And if they drink just distilled water, then they will have long term issues.

So, the " overgeneralization " of leach minerals, must be qualified,

highly, imho.

If you know of other stories, even better studies, then please let me know.

I'm keenly interested. I've googled three times in the last 10 years and

read for about 60 hours, over a 2 month period about distilled water,

both good and bad.

In the meantime, I will not trust mainstream western medicine practitioners

who make " claims " with no proof. Eggs are full of cholesterol and you should

only have 4 a week. No 3 a week. Oh, sorry we goofed, there are two

types. You can have 5 a week. Oh, we goofed, eggs are good for you

and you can have 10 to 20 a week, or more, with no ill effects. Same

for red meat.

The skin does not absorb substances. Oh, sorry we were wrong. Skin patches

are now big medicine.

How many " stories " does western med put out, to cause bad health?

The more bad stories, the better their business, the more money they make.

So, who to believe? Let's reword that.

Who to believe first? And how to confirm?

I confirm with " face value " common sense, of asking a few questions.

Which questions?

How, where, when, why, ....

I then answer these questions myself, and research to confirm my answers.

I get good info that way. Instead of accepting other's " info " , I

seek confirmation

from 2 or more sources.

my 2 cents

August 3, 2009

I don't think just because we can't answer all these questions as just how this

happens, makes it false. I've read that water when devoid of minerals attracts

them. There are minerals in every cell of our bodies, so it has plenty of

opportunity. I bet if you drink water without any minerals in it, it comes out

with some. Anyway, it's awful tasting which tells me it's not for drinking.

It's for my iron.

However, you can put minerals into it. You can trace minerals in the health

food store. I never was quite sure how much to put in, but I guess there is

some guidance out there for that.

> >At the clinic I treated at I was told NOT to drink distilled water

> >as it would leach minerals out of your body

>

> I would ask " Tell me the physical mechanism where this happens? "

>

August 3, 2009

All valid points. Thanks for the post feedback.

At 04:51 PM 8/2/2009, you wrote:

> I don't think just because we can't answer all these questions as

> just how this happens, makes it false. I've read that water when

> devoid of minerals attracts them.

That applies to water in pipes and in the ground, or in metal containers.

" Attracts " is a strange word in this context. I wish this topic was " simple "

but it's not. Too many " statements " without any qualifications of when

and where and why and how that statement applies.

>There are minerals in every cell of our bodies, so it has plenty of

>opportunity.

I agree. Blood that is thinned of minerals may not be able to release those

minerals into cells. There is a " transport mechanism " through the cell

membrane, via a custom " tunnel " , that opens when the chelated mineral

brushes against the tunnel " trigger. " If the partial pressure(concentration)

of the one mineral varies too little to the partial pressure between the

blood and cell, then no mineral might be transported, is the thought.

But as this " tunnel " mechanism attracts the mineral in, what actually

happens is cells closest to the supply of minerals are " fine " for a while,

but cells far away, hands and feet, might suffer from previous cells

depleting the blood of minerals. But this is just postulation on my part.

No one knows, but I would think what I have written is " part " of the large,

more complex picture.

What I am arguing against, is the " single " statement, distilled water

leaches minerals,

when it has no qualifications, as distilled water is obviously much

better for one when

the tap water has dangerous substances in it, like most cities now.

The lessor of two evils?

I think not. Not when any effects of distilled water can be easily

offset with diet.

>I bet if you drink water without any minerals in it, it comes out with some.

Good point. I agree. Minerals are used by the immune system to label

substances to be filtered by the livered, and excreted. I've read up on this.

Minerals with dinner is best, so when sleeping your immune system

can use the minerals to label the daily fatigue toxins the muscles

cells create and release into the blood stream.

A build up of fatigue toxins is one proposed mechanism for FM.

Minerals are also used for nerve impulse transmission along nerve fibers

in the CNS and body, and for " thinking " in the brain. Calcium and potassium

ions are exchanged in a dance through the nerve outer membrane, through

tunnels in the nerve membrane, to create an electrical potential that

propagates the center of the nerve.

If you have nerve issues, one might think more calcium and potassium

in the diet would ease them. For some, this is true. Calcium absorption

via digestion would be a better way. Potassium should be plentiful in

the diet, if you eat fruit, and then veggies. Meat is not a good source.

Potassium is used for other purposes in the body.

As is calcium. Calcium is in bones and teeth.

If your thinking, your brain is off, due to calcium not being present enough

in the brain, past the brain/blood barrier, then your bones and teeth are

robbed of calcium.

Is this brain fog? Could be, no one has yet to measure the active brain

changing to brain fog. fMRI is coming close. SPECT. But the chemicals

involved, injected into the blood, agents to improve imaging, I would never

allow.

>Anyway, it's awful tasting which tells me it's not for drinking.

I covered that in a previous post. Sunning for 5-7 days removes this taste.

Hmm, I do not recall seeing that post yet go out to everyone. Soon perhaps.

>It's for my iron.

Most drinking water has little iron. However, some has too much.

Most iron comes from veggies. Calcium is the main mineral in water.

>However, you can put minerals into it. You can trace minerals in the

>health food store. I never was quite sure how much to put in, but I

>guess there is some guidance out there for that.

You add it for your personal preference. I tried 1 to 10 drops per glass.

Then, I tried 15 and 20, which were too much. After that little experiment

I could not stand the taste of even 1 drop. Oops. I think the label says

3 drops per 8 ounces.

August 3, 2009

Pete,

Your last comments were extremely important about how to evaluate

information. Based on your info I must confess I'm guilty of

falling for the " mineral leaching " myth of distilled water. As I

thought about it my original source, which seemed to make sense,

was from a company selling compressed carbon filters. (!)

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

On Sun Aug 02 18:36:57 CDT 2009,

<pete-@...> wrote:

>

> There is " some small amount " of true to distilled water leaching

> minerals.

> For most people, on normal diets, nothing happens, no bad health

> effects.

> A lot of people do not eat " normal', which means a balance meal

> of

> carbs, starches and protein. If you eat only foods low in

> minerals (meat,

> no veggies or fruits) and drink distilled water, then you are " at

> risk. "

>

> At 09:51 AM 8/2/2009, you wrote:

>> At the clinic I treated at I was told NOT to drink distilled

>> water as it would leach minerals out of your body

>

> I would ask " Tell me the physical mechanism where this happens? "

>

> In the stomach? From what tissue? In the intestine? The blood

> vessels?

> An organ or gland? The muscles? Where is this " leaching "

> occurring?

>

> Think for yourself about this. As soon as the water is in the

> stomach, it

> is diluted by stomach acid, enzymes, etc. When it enters the

> blood stream

> it diluted again. How fast does it enter the blood stream? How

> many inches

> of blood vessels have this now very diluted distilled water? And

> does this

> blood now go and leach minerals out of other cells? Which ones?

>

> Or does this blood, already full of minerals, continue to put

> minerals into cells?

>

> What transport mechanism removed the minerals from the cells and

> blood?

> Just a dilution factor? I have 5 quarts of blood. I drink a 4

> quarts of water

> a day. Does this mean how much minerals are leached? Per day

> please.

>

> Does food have more minerals than water? How much more? 2? 5?

> 10? 20 times more?

>

> So, does eating food with minerals offset the distilled water?

> How much?

>

> There just is " no valid " information on this " leaching " , and none

> of these questions

> are answered, to any degree, in any of my readings, from these

> " experts " who

> claim, merely claim, that " leaching " occurs.

>

>> if taken long term because it is void of all minerals,

>> nutrients, etc.

>

> The source of the rumor that it leaches minerals is a team of

> scientists drank 'fresh melt' glacier water for several weeks,

> and

> one collapsed. Upon hospitalization they found he lacked

> electrolyte (minerals) levels in his blood, and tested his

> colleagues. They did too. They tested this water, and

> determined

> that the coldness of the water was greatly effecting their

> digestion.

> Ice cold water, 32 degrees, does not just " dampening " digestion,

> it almost turns it off. You absorb less than 5-10% of the

> nutrients

> you eat. You get sick fast (1 to 2 weeks tops).

>

> Now, I must ask what were they eating? Just meat? No fresh

> and ripe fruits and veggies? As only then would such happen.

> Turns out the one man very sick was Swedish, and ate mostly meat.

> No fruits, a few veggies.

>

> So, we do not have even an anecdotal study, just one " story " that

> appears to be the basis for this rumor of " leaching " .

>

> I do know of people who eat just meat, which is very mineral

> poor.

> And if they drink just distilled water, then they will have long

> term issues.

>

> So, the " overgeneralization " of leach minerals, must be

> qualified, highly, imho.

>

> If you know of other stories, even better studies, then please

> let me know.

> I'm keenly interested. I've googled three times in the last 10

> years and

> read for about 60 hours, over a 2 month period about distilled

> water,

> both good and bad.

>

> In the meantime, I will not trust mainstream western medicine

> practitioners

> who make " claims " with no proof. Eggs are full of cholesterol

> and you should

> only have 4 a week. No 3 a week. Oh, sorry we goofed, there are

> two

> types. You can have 5 a week. Oh, we goofed, eggs are good for

> you

> and you can have 10 to 20 a week, or more, with no ill effects.

> Same

> for red meat.

>

> The skin does not absorb substances. Oh, sorry we were wrong.

> Skin patches

> are now big medicine.

>

> How many " stories " does western med put out, to cause bad health?

> The more bad stories, the better their business, the more money

> they make.

>

> So, who to believe? Let's reword that.

>

> Who to believe first? And how to confirm?

>

> I confirm with " face value " common sense, of asking a few

> questions.

> Which questions?

>

> How, where, when, why, ....

>

> I then answer these questions myself, and research to confirm my

> answers.

> I get good info that way. Instead of accepting other's " info " , I

> seek confirmation

> from 2 or more sources.

>

> my 2 cents

>

August 3, 2009

Hi Carl.

At 07:09 PM 8/2/2009, you wrote:

>Your last comments were extremely important about how to evaluate

>information.

Hey, hey, hey. Here is some more. I think you have read this from me before.

So, this is more for other readers, who have not heard this from me before.

When I wrote:

Who to believe first? And how to confirm?

I thought, how odd. " First? "

You mean there is a " Second? "

Yes!

So much of my collected info " toggles " with additional research.

One source, two sources, both agree, with my opinion, then I rarely

research more.

Never do I " believe " the First source. It's too, too, too important

to my health.

The President of the USA could tell me to my face, and I would not believe.

Not that I think they are " lieing " , but they themselves do not have a decision

making method better than mine, or even equal. Kennedy showed that.

Bush confirmed it.

1 source agrees, the 2nd disagrees, means I need two more sources.

It's not necessarily majority rules, but my opinion counts more, and

gets modified by " expert " sources, if they are experts... Which now

is a huge part of the evaluation process. No longer do I believe a " doctor. "

And never a sales person. Not the " first " time they state something.

Distilled water toggled about 4-5 times, before I started it full time.

Benefits were within the week. Easy decision to continue, watching

for the negative side effects. I then wished I had started sooner.

Keep in mind I live in Los Angeles, and the water is very contaminated

with fungal by products. MWDh2o.com, the supplier knows this all

too well. And they refuse to clean the canals, 800 miles worth,

to greatly reduce the fungal components. Instead they add 3-5

chemicals, to change the color of the contaminates, change the

taste that results from the first chemical, change the viscosity

resulting from the first two chemicals... sigh.

I drink none of those additives now. And no fluoride. And

no chloride. And no cancer causing chloride by products.

I offload my immune system by drinking personally distilled water.

>Based on your info I must confess I'm guilty of

>falling for the " mineral leaching " myth of distilled water. As I

>thought about it my original source, which seemed to make sense,

>was from a company selling compressed carbon filters. (!)

I find the word " leaching " objectionable. Very. It's " sensationalizing " .

It has negative connotations, which in my mind raises issues with

the speaker's " validating " information before believing it themselves.

Are they a scientist? Or are they merely a doctor?

In this case, your case, the source was a sales person. Enough said.

--

I've read a lot of web pages about distilled water. Some 120 or more.

Each time I asked myself is this person stating original research

they performed? Or was it second hand? And if second hand, then

did they quote references, more expert than them?

Decision making for health means not making a mistake.

Sometimes, many times, it means " delaying " the decision.

More often, for me, it means " trying it " , after research both types

of expected results, the good and the bad. And watching for

either. Then stopping. And evaluate for several weeks. Then

try it again.

Everyone is " different " , and what works for others, may not work for me.

That " experts " overgeneralize, do not qualify, sensationalize, all to

make money... for themselves... is my first assumption. Generally

it's a valid assumption, later changing to a correct belief, a fact.

It's very difficult for a brain fogged person to do this level of:

hearing,

listening,

perception,

evaluation,

understanding,

testing (and repeat the above), and

judging.

The above paragraph lists many " steps " , each distinct from the other,

needing different skill sets to do it right, the first time. Each step must

be done, before moving to the next one.

Distilled water has been the most complex 'everyday' issue I have

researched and made a personal decision on. Everything I have

read in the last 6 years has confirmed my choice.

I am still actively collecting information, in order to re-evaluate

and change my understanding. It will be a very hard decision

to make to move away from drinking distilled water for me.

The replacement better be " very " good. Ensured to be free

of any toxin.

I've found most people jump to the last step. It has many common names:

Rush to judgement

Jumping to a conclusion

Closed door, closed mind

Confabulation

Dis-information

Not invented here

And that most people do the last step first, is why I have posted so much

on " decision making methods. " We need better methods, or the discipline

to follow the same method, again and again. This has a common name, too:

Science

--

I wrote:

> > So, who to believe? Let's reword that.

> >

> > Who to believe first? And how to confirm?

> >

> > I confirm with " face value " common sense, of asking a few

> > questions.

> > Which questions?

> >

> > How, where, when, why, ....

> >

> > I then answer these questions myself, and research to confirm my

> > answers.

> > I get good info that way. Instead of accepting other's " info " , I

> > seek confirmation

> > from 2 or more sources.

August 3, 2009

Thanks I did not know some of this good everyone is giving info.........it

helps. I used to look up a lot of information but my lungs got the best of me

and I have trouble with the computer. So I sit and run alot.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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