Re: Oils that eliminate mold---Really?

[Guest guest]

I have heard lots of good things about the Thieves products. Personally I

love the Thieves household cleaner! It has a wonderful fresh & clean smell

that does not bother me at all. I use it to clean everything in my home. As

for peppermint I have always known (from my father) it to be helpful for

upset stomachs, nasal congestion and to rid mice. My dad was from the south

and always had lots of good remedies for things. He dad planted mint around

the house (said mice didn't like it) and he loved it in ice tea. He's has

been gone for 42 yrs. and I still have mint around my shed. Comes back

every summer. I even cut it off and bring it inside to freshen the house.

Makes my mind feel clear and alert.

I would be interested in your reactions to this article.

Protect your family with organic oils

September 4, 2009

Portland Health Examiner

[Guest guest]

I totally agree with Carl! If you have a mold issue then you have to fix

the problem not mask it. I left my moldy workplace in 2004 and never

returned. I was put in and out of the building and at home on and off

medication.

The proof was in the blood work without any question!

I am well at home but drive my poor family crazy with all my worries

about water & moisture. I won't even let anyone take a drink out of the kitchen

for fear of it spilling. I even worry when I have to run the dishwasher,

washing machine ( I leave the door open after each use & wipe it out)

including the shower!

Sorry I rambled on here but back to the point. Mold is mold and you can't

hide it or cover it up. You have to eliminate it. I'm sure every house has

a little that you can't totally get rid of but if your environment is sick

then you will be!

I know you post these to see what people's experience has been.

But, frankly, we've been over this dozens of time.

I also refer you and the group to the discussion today about

Citrisafe candles.

If you don't fix the moisture problems causing the mold (and

bacteria) these " chemicals " can provide, at most, some

temporary relief and perhaps replace the mold exposure problem

with a chemical exposure problem. How do you remove the

chemicals?

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[Guest guest]

,

I know you post these to see what people's experience has been.

But, frankly, we've been over this dozens of time.

I also refer you and the group to the discussion today about

Citrisafe candles.

If you don't fix the moisture problems causing the mold (and

bacteria) these " chemicals " can provide, at most, some

temporary relief and perhaps replace the mold exposure problem

with a chemical exposure problem. How do you remove the

chemicals?

The strongest advocates of each that you listed are those selling

them. KC has spent inordinate amounts of time keeping these

Phishing and charatans off this group.

There is some benefit as hand sanitizers for a few of these and I

strongly resist use of most of the commerically available ones. A

common ingrediant of which is Triclocarban, a hormone

disrupter. Google it.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

I would be interested in your reactions to this article.

Protect your family with organic oils

September 4, 2009

Portland Health Examiner

During cold and flu season, we tend to reach for the hand sanitizer

more often, unaware that these so called 'sanitizers' have a high

alcohol content. A number of people, including children, have had

side effects from the amount of alcohol absorbed through the skin.

Children are also very prone to putting their hands/fingers in their

mouths, which adds to the level of toxins they ingest.

There are alternatives to protecting yourself and your children from

germs and viruses this winter. Young LIving Organic Oils is a company

based out of Colorado that extracts natural, healing oils

from plants. What makes them different from other oil companies is

they use a process called cold pressing, which leaves all the vital

nutrition, vitamins and healing properties in tact. They are also the only

company that sells organic oils. Most other oil companies heat or steam

press their products

which weakens and eliminates the vitamins and properties. They also

use additives and yes, alcohol, as a carrier base for the oils.

Products

Young Living has a large variety of oils that heal, enhance and strengthen

the

immune system in addition to everyday health issues such as eczema,

warts, moles, asthma and insomnia, to name a few. Listed below are a

sample of oils and their uses:

Thieves - a

combination of cloves, eucalyptus and cinnamon bark , this oil was used

during the plague epidemic to protect against the deadly disease.

Using this oil as a hand sanitizer doubles it's benefits by inhaling

into the lungs. It coats and protects the lungs from germs and disease

while boosting the immune system. It has a list of uses that range

from health protection to cleaning your tub! The best part is it is

totally safe and non toxic.

Peppermint - this

oil has such a wide variety of uses it should be a staple in every

medicine cabinet. One drop of oil on the tongue daily has the healing

benefits of 28 cups of peppermint tea! It has been used for centuries

to protect the immune system. A drop daily will protect against germs

and viruses. It also has many other uses such as a deterrent for mice,

roaches and other pesky visitors. It alleviates joint pain, burns and

sinus congestion. Perfectly safe for children and adults, although

your pets might find it a bit offensive.

Purification - one of the best known mold killers out there, this oil

eliminates 94%

of mold and mildew in the air while eliminating germs and airborne

viruses. This is one of the safest household cleaners with more

benefits to your health than the cancer causing chemicals found in

every over the counter product. Typically used as a

sanitizer/antibacterial cleaner for the house, purification is a

preventative measure in protecting your family's health and your home

from unwanted germs.

http://www.examiner.com/x-21319-Portland-Holistic- Health-

Examiner~y2009m9d4-Protect-your-family-with- organic-oils

[Guest guest]

Carl, I agree with you nothing gets rid of mold except elimination! . I

just use it to clean everything. It has a nice scent which I have no reaction

to. Leaves everything smelling nice and clean. So far my house is fine

without any problems and hope to keep it that way forever but I worry

constantly. I go to the basement every AM just to check the water heater!!

Your use, if you are non-reactive, as a household cleaner is very

acceptable. But that is not even close to using fumigation to get

rid of mold and toxins. More power to you!

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[Guest guest]

I don't know what's wrong with them but they don't listen!! I took my

mother to a Drs. office a few months and was about knocked off my feet when I

opened the door! Against my better judgement I allowed her to go in but I

went to sit in the car. I sent them a nice letter and some info about

fragrances and asked them to kindly remove them for the safety of their

patients

and staff. We returned to that office a month later and it still stinks of

air fresheners. I will have to find another Dr. for my mother because I

don't want her to suffer.

I tell people over and over but they just do not want to listen.

High schools are also horrible. I have friends that teach and say that the

kids are all walking bottle of perfumes and colognes. I can't imagine a

minute of that environment!! Talk about a headache!!!

[Guest guest]

It wouldn't surprise me if it was a good santizer. Fatty acids are as the name

says acids and should have very powerful anticeptic properties. Whether they

are better than the old standards of alcohol, hydrogen peroxide, etc, noone

knows. Natural substances are not studied for FDA acceptance, so you'd just

have to do your own experiment, if it helps you or not. At least that is what I

do. I wish we had a true 'National Institute of Science' that does research for

the public good with public dollars and not lobbiest money by pharmaceutical

companies. That is where we have gone astray. In some things we need 'public'

money with no strings attached, that would make it socialized I guess but

everything socialized is not bad, some socialized, some private mix is best. We

need both 'for profit' and 'not for profit'. Now science is driven by private

money, so you have to become your own scientist. That's why it takes so long to

find something to help. Nature provides for alot of healing, but we don't hear

about it through 'tainted' money channels. Just like the mold issue.

>

> I would be interested in your reactions to this article.

>

>

> Protect your family with organic oils

> September 4, 2009

> Portland Health Examiner

[Guest guest]

Carl, I have two comments.

Many of us (including me) have short-term memory problems caused by our exposure

to toxic mold, so we don't always remember everything that has been discussed.

The main reason I sent that article to the group is because I have been reading

news articles where someone is commenting about using thieves oil to " fumigate "

schools and they claim that gets rid of the mold and toxins. It doesn't sound

reasonable to me that spraying oil inside a school (or any building) would make

it safe. Since I couldn't remember if the Sickbuildings Group had approved of

this idea regarding thieves oil, I sent this new article to the group.

________________________________

From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...>

Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 3:59:42 PM

Subject: Re: [] Oils that eliminate mold---Really?

,

I know you post these to see what people's experience has been.

But, frankly, we've been over this dozens of time.

[Guest guest]

So true !!

 

 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: barb1283 <barb1283@...>

Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 7:40:35 PM

Subject: [] Re: Oils that eliminate mold---Really?

 

It wouldn't surprise me if it was a good santizer. Fatty acids are as the name

says acids and should have very powerful anticeptic properties. Whether they are

better than the old standards of alcohol, hydrogen peroxide, etc, noone knows.

Natural substances are not studied for FDA acceptance, so you'd just have to do

your own experiment, if it helps you or not. At least that is what I do. I wish

we had a true 'National Institute of Science' that does research for the public

good with public dollars and not lobbiest money by pharmaceutical companies.

That is where we have gone astray. In some things we need 'public' money with no

strings attached, that would make it socialized I guess but everything

socialized is not bad, some socialized, some private mix is best. We need both

'for profit' and 'not for profit'. Now science is driven by private money, so

you have to become your own scientist. That's why it takes so long to find

something to help. Nature

provides for alot of healing, but we don't hear about it through 'tainted'

money channels. Just like the mold issue.

>

> I would be interested in your reactions to this article.

>

>

> Protect your family with organic oils

> September 4, 2009

> Portland Health Examiner

[Guest guest]

I am relatively new and had no heard  (?)  ok seen this discussion about the

thieves oil and would like some good info on it.

 

 So much information to decifer out their including reading between the lines. 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: <brianc8452@...>

Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 7:51:39 PM

Subject: Re: [] Oils that eliminate mold---Really?

 

Carl, I have two comments.

Many of us (including me) have short-term memory problems caused by our exposure

to toxic mold, so we don't always remember everything that has been discussed.

The main reason I sent that article to the group is because I have been reading

news articles where someone is commenting about using thieves oil to " fumigate "

schools and they claim that gets rid of the mold and toxins. It doesn't sound

reasonable to me that spraying oil inside a school (or any building) would make

it safe. Since I couldn't remember if the Sickbuildings Group had approved of

this idea regarding thieves oil, I sent this new article to the group.

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Carl E. Grimes <grimeshabitats (DOT) com>

Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 3:59:42 PM

Subject: Re: [] Oils that eliminate mold---Really?

,

I know you post these to see what people's experience has been.

But, frankly, we've been over this dozens of time.

[Guest guest]

,

I apologize for my impatient response. I guess I just get tired of

the same old " snake oil " claims despite increasing evidence they

don't work. I hear them even more in my professional life than I

do here so my memory of where I hear it may be somewhat

defective!

Whoever authorized this fumingtion by oil in schools ought to be

sued for gross ignorance and incompetence of protecting the

public. Perhaps placing asthmatic children in danger with the use

of a fragranced product. They obviously checked no resources

other than that offered by the (persuasive) person selling the

process.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

Carl, I have two comments.

Many of us (including me) have short-term memory problems caused by

our exposure to toxic mold, so we don't always remember everything that

has been discussed.

The main reason I sent that article to the group is because I have been

reading news articles where someone is commenting about using thieves

oil to " fumigate " schools and they claim that gets rid of the mold and

toxins. It doesn't sound reasonable to me that spraying oil inside a school

(or any building) would make it safe. Since I couldn't remember if the

Sickbuildings Group had approved of this idea regarding thieves oil, I

sent this new article to the group.

________________________________

From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...>

groups (DOT) com

Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 3:59:42 PM

Subject: Re: [] Oils that eliminate mold---Really?

,

I know you post these to see what people's experience has been.

But, frankly, we've been over this dozens of time.

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[Guest guest]

Your use, if you are non-reactive, as a household cleaner is very

acceptable. But that is not even close to using fumigation to get

rid of mold and toxins. More power to you!

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

I have heard lots of good things about the Thieves products. Personally I

love the Thieves household cleaner! It has a wonderful fresh & clean

smell

that does not bother me at all. I use it to clean everything in my home. As

for peppermint I have always known (from my father) it to be helpful for

upset stomachs, nasal congestion and to rid mice. My dad was from the

south

and always had lots of good remedies for things. He dad planted mint

around

the house (said mice didn't like it) and he loved it in ice tea. He's has

been gone for 42 yrs. and I still have mint around my shed. Comes back

every summer. I even cut it off and bring it inside to freshen the house.

Makes my mind feel clear and alert.

I would be interested in your reactions to this article.

Protect your family with organic oils

September 4, 2009

Portland Health Examiner

[Guest guest]

Really,          I used to go to a pain clinic that was full of air freshner,  I

got so sick everytime.  I always complained to no avail

They would say it was just me.  One MA there would always complain of the

headahes  she got with them and said no one would ever listen. 

SS sent me to a Dr for eval. to do a PFT  their office was full of air freshner,

my throat swelled and I did not even stay, barely walked in with 02,  they did

not allow me back in affraid of me geting anaph. reaction which had already

started.

Cleaveland Clininc Weston has fragrance in building   What is wrong with these

people in medical facilities ???

 

  

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...>

Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 11:00:24 PM

Subject: Re: [] Oils that eliminate mold---Really?

 

,

I apologize for my impatient response. I guess I just get tired of

the same old " snake oil " claims despite increasing evidence they

don't work. I hear them even more in my professional life than I

do here so my memory of where I hear it may be somewhat

defective!

Whoever authorized this fumingtion by oil in schools ought to be

sued for gross ignorance and incompetence of protecting the

public. Perhaps placing asthmatic children in danger with the use

of a fragranced product. They obviously checked no resources

other than that offered by the (persuasive) person selling the

process.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

Carl, I have two comments.

Many of us (including me) have short-term memory problems caused by

our exposure to toxic mold, so we don't always remember everything that

has been discussed.

The main reason I sent that article to the group is because I have been

reading news articles where someone is commenting about using thieves

oil to " fumigate " schools and they claim that gets rid of the mold and

toxins. It doesn't sound reasonable to me that spraying oil inside a school

(or any building) would make it safe. Since I couldn't remember if the

Sickbuildings Group had approved of this idea regarding thieves oil, I

sent this new article to the group.

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Carl E. Grimes <grimeshabitats (DOT) com>

Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 3:59:42 PM

Subject: Re: [] Oils that eliminate mold---Really?

,

I know you post these to see what people's experience has been.

But, frankly, we've been over this dozens of time.

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[Guest guest]

Hi, Carl.

I did a search and found the name that keeps showing up in connection with using

thieves oil to eliminate mold. His name is Dr. Ed Close (an environmental

engineer). The following link takes you to one of the websites that talks about

Dr. Close and his theory regarding thieves oil. He claims that it " clears up

mold in less than 24 hours. " He says he uses a " proprietary blend of essential

oils to remediate toxic mold. " His information has been showing up in the

Comments section under some of the articles about mold in schools.

http://www.wisechoiceliving.com/tfc.php

________________________________

From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...>

Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 8:00:24 PM

Subject: Re: [] Oils that eliminate mold---Really?

,

I apologize for my impatient response. I guess I just get tired of

the same old " snake oil " claims despite increasing evidence they

don't work.

[Guest guest]

Actually, they might kill it.

Essential oils include Tea Tree, melaleuca spp, it is a known fungicide. Has a

fascinating history.

So are some other oils. The problem is determing if their is exposure that you

don't want. The oil should be tested first to see if there is a reactoin of any

sort.

The industry is generally not allowed to promote the oils as being antimicrobial

because of EPA constraints and limitations.

An exception is Thymol, a phenol that is naturally present in thyme plant oil

(yes, the same herb that is used in cooking, especially cajun!); somehow the EPA

has allowed an uncontrolled amount of this phenol to be used in a registered

product; there can be no quality control over quantity or quality, like there is

with synthesized chemicals; but it was allowed anyway. Maybe I'm ignorant of

something in theprocess, but I've not been shown anything to the contrary.

A bee keeper created a solution using Tea Tree oil to kill bee mites; was

successful and selling it to all other bee keepers, who swore by it; he probably

saved a lot of little companies; the EPA found out and shut him down for

violating the FIFRA labelling regulations

(Tea Tree is not allowed to be used, a leftover from the post WWII

chemistry/pharmacy fall out that led to heavy regulation of many things, Tea

Tree was very huge prior to WWII, here and in Australia, where the tree is

native; the chem industry grew enormously in the US thanx to the war, after that

Tea Tree was seen as a threat and was heavily lobbied against, it never made a

comeback until the 90's or so with the growth of the New Age industry)

BUT, read some lit on Tea Tree oil and you will think about it. (see " The Tea

Tree Oil Bible " , Ken Vegotsky, 1999)

Same with the " Purification " oil (product name) from Young Living products

(mfr). I know about the mrf, I am told they are better than other brands, but I

know nothing of why or how to compare. It has about 5 oils, rosemary and

lemongrass and myrtle included too.

I have had personal experience with some oils, all tea tree based, all positive.

I had a client that demanded all the mold contamination be cleaned with

" Purification " enfused baby wipes. I don't know if it worked better, but she was

happy.