Re: Mold candles for home and Citrisafe questions

[Guest guest]

Doing the cheapest thing may wind up being the most expensive thing in the long

run. Especially if you own the place. The longer the problem goes on the worse

it will get.

I have used the citrisafe candles in our apartment and their air fresheners. Not

for mold problems as that would be like using an ant to attack a lion. But more

in an effort to purify the air a little as we have carpeting and the cabinets

off-gas a little. I haven't found it helpful. I have a friend who used it in

their musty home and they felt it helped, but when I visited, I did note a

slight difference, but of course it was not total and not tackling the core of

the mold source at all. Since that time they've moved on to other things that

only seem to mask the oders. As many wise people on this list often say you need

to get the source of the moisture and/or mold food supply taken care of in order

to stop the problem.

I have spoken to citrisafe about remediations for our former wd home. What they

do in addition to any removal is saturate the area with high levels of the

solution. They swear by it. But I have no experience with this part of it at

all. It is really hard to say as a layperson what may have some validity and

what is wishful thinking. I don't know what level of certification they have to

do remediations and it is possible that you may have to have someone else do the

actual remediating and then they would come and treat with the citirsafe. I'm

not sure as I'd spoken to them last year and my recall is not so precise.

Sam

From: ce_hansen <ce_hansen@...>

Subject: [] Mold candles for home and Citrisafe questions

Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 6:55 AM

Hello,

A (good) doc that I trust recently told me about mold candles that remove

mycotoxins. Anyone know about this, if they work, and where to buy?

[Guest guest]

Where do you purchase the citrisafe candles?

[Guest guest]

I agree.  The company is located near Denver,

so I I met with them in person (I live in Denver).  Can't say the candles have

done much for me, but I use their Mold Solution (NFI).  It's a concentrate that

you dilute and put in a spray bottle. I have a front-loader washer, so I add a

capful of

the concentrate to every rinse cycle. So far, no mold in my washer (could be

their solution, could just be no mold). I does get rid of mildew smell on

towels.

I have no idea whether it's working or not.  I also spray it on my air filters

and on my clothing/in my hair (don't know the safety of this) if I've

accidentally been around mold. I guess it just gives

me some peace of mind to use it, but I'd really like to know if it's worth the

effort or cost

A rep. from their company explained to me what's involved in

their version of mold remediation.  He said he has a machine that

detects water leaks in a building. If a leak is found, owner gets it

repaired, and (you're right, Sam) they pretty much fog the place with

their concentrate. He told me it gets into walls, so if a person lives

in an apartment/condo, he asks for written permission from owner of

adjoining units.

I asked him what is in the formula-- he wouldn't get specific, but told me

it's " botanical " .  He says it has an MSDS of zero, but wouldn't answer

anything else about ingredients.

I also asked if he knew what kind of mold it's best for, or it's efficacy... he

didn't give me an answer to these questions.

Their site is citrisafecertified.com (NFI)

Doing the cheapest thing may wind up being the most expensive thing in the long

run. Especially if you own the place. The longer the problem goes on the worse

it will get.

[Guest guest]

The mold in my home was not visible however that does not mean anything.  In

doing air and dust analysis the amount of mold was extensive and the species

were many including stachy.  Not worth the risk.  I have lung disease because of

it. Sell it, get out.

 

  

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

_____________________________

From: ce_hansen <ce_hansen@...>

Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 2:55:47 AM

Subject: [] Mold candles for home and Citrisafe questions

 

Hello,

A (good) doc that I trust recently told me about mold candles that remove

mycotoxins. Anyone know about this, if they work, and where to buy?

[Guest guest]

I certainly would not pay $90 for a candle! It can't be worth it!!!!

OK, now I'm getting concerned. $90 for a candle in a mug?

Really?

Who's playing who?

I asked for the EPA number, I will let you know what I find out.

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[Guest guest]

The active ingrediant is grapefruit seed extract (GSE), the same

as you can get in NutriBiotic http://www.amazon.com/Nutribiotic-

Gse-Liquid-Concentrate-liquid/dp/B000M7OOPS

They add some botanicals but won't say why other than to " make

it even better. "

I've been in houses that have been fogged. As others have

already noted, if the water source isn't corrected the mold (and

bacteria) will come back.

Most of you know my position on these " chemical " approaches to

mold, that they may provide some slight benefit but they don't fix

the problem and are usually a waste of money for lots of false

hope. Most of the perceived benefit is from masking.

HOWEVER, the active ingrediant does seem to do something

different for mold and bacteria in water damaged buildings. More

than just killing mold. I don't know what it is or how to describe it

but it seems to help beyond perception and masking.

I don't know what Citrisafe costs but a 2 oz bottle of NutriBiotic

from Amazon.com costs about $9, or 4 oz for $17. You mixed a

few drops into water and can make your own liquid and even put

it in a spray bottle.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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I agree. The company is located near Denver,

so I I met with them in person (I live in Denver). Can't say the candles

have done much for me, but I use their Mold Solution (NFI). It's a

concentrate that you dilute and put in a spray bottle. I have a front-

loader washer, so I add a capful of

the concentrate to every rinse cycle. So far, no mold in my washer (could

be their solution, could just be no mold). I does get rid of mildew smell

on towels.

I have no idea whether it's working or not. I also spray it on my air

filters and on my clothing/in my hair (don't know the safety of this) if

I've accidentally been around mold. I guess it just gives

me some peace of mind to use it, but I'd really like to know if it's worth

the effort or cost

A rep. from their company explained to me what's involved in

their version of mold remediation. He said he has a machine that

detects water leaks in a building. If a leak is found, owner gets it

repaired, and (you're right, Sam) they pretty much fog the place with

their concentrate. He told me it gets into walls, so if a person lives

in an apartment/condo, he asks for written permission from owner of

adjoining units.

I asked him what is in the formula-- he wouldn't get specific, but told me

it's " botanical " . He says it has an MSDS of zero, but wouldn't answer

anything else about ingredients.

I also asked if he knew what kind of mold it's best for, or it's efficacy... he

didn't give me an answer to these questions.

Their site is citrisafecertified.com (NFI)

Doing the cheapest thing may wind up being the most expensive thing in

the long run. Especially if you own the place. The longer the problem

goes on the worse it will get.

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[Guest guest]

Ask them a single question: is it EPA registered? IF 'yes', ask for the number,

and the mfr and product name it is listed under.

That is first. Very first. Otherwise, if it's 'no', then it is illegal.

I don't know the answer. But if were to want to buy it, I sure would ask!

There are some things here that are questionable. Others that seem obvious and

acceptable.

Caveat Emptor.

[Guest guest]

OK, now I'm getting concerned. $90 for a candle in a mug?

Really?

Who's playing who?

I asked for the EPA number, I will let you know what I find out.

[Guest guest]

Yes, my friends bought those candles. Really pricey! They come in a coffee mug

and you are supposed to burn it for a few hours at a time each time until it

runs out. What I bought was a couple of cans of solution that you put in one of

those air circulators which we'd already had. They cost about $10, but I have

never noticed any real change in air quality. And like I said, in our apartment

we had no mold or wd issues. Just a bit of carpet and cabinet smell which the

citrisafe didn't help. The candles are supposed to be a stronger solution, but

if you have a mold problem, it won't help.

From: scottarmour@... <scottarmour@...>

Subject: [] Re: Mold candles for home and Citrisafe questions

Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 11:15 PM

 

OK, now I'm getting concerned. $90 for a candle in a mug?

Really?

Who's playing who?

I asked for the EPA number, I will let you know what I find out.

[Guest guest]

,

The company who originally created the products carefully started

it under FDA requirements rather than EPA pesticide FIFRA regs.

Therefore, they can make certain claims without an EPA

registration number. And because all ingrediants are considered

GRAS by FDA they aren't regulated. My guess is that if EPA were

to check, they would probably grant them an exemption based on

the botanicals used and the GRAS designation.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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Ask them a single question: is it EPA registered? IF 'yes', ask for the

number, and the mfr and product name it is listed under.

That is first. Very first. Otherwise, if it's 'no', then it is illegal.

I don't know the answer. But if were to want to buy it, I sure would ask!

There are some things here that are questionable. Others that seem

obvious and acceptable.

Caveat Emptor.

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[Guest guest]

Google " citrisafe candles " for 500+ hits, including some retail

outlets.

What is interesting is one of the links is to Tennessee Mold

Consultants at:

http://www.themoldlab.com/shop/index.php?cPath=23

This lab was originally connected (but no longer, but that another

story) with the Denver company who created the fog and the

candles and advocated settling plates. Which you bought from

Tennessee Mold Consultants and sent to them for analysis. It

was similar to the ProLab plates now available through

HomeDepot. I never saw a set of plates they didn't declare a

problem - except for those after they fogged.

See http://www.citrisafecertified.com/

It's an impressive looking site. They've improved their procedures

bringing them more into line with S500, S520 and the EPA for

remediation BEFORE they fog. So why fog? I just have trouble

accepting remedies which aren't based on the building specific

and occupant specific needs.

And, as points out in another e-mail today, they are very

expensive. And as I previously said today, you can get the same

active ingrediant in NutriBiotic (Google it).

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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Where do you purchase the citrisafe candles?

[Guest guest]

I use GSE, I used it in my infested home to do the laundry, I itched from mold,

breathing, when I started using it, I did not have those problems on my clothes,

they did not itch, I could breathe on linen, at least it did that.

That was while trapped.   I stil use it. Not that this place is a safe place,

but I use it in my rinse and soak, all laundry.  I feel it helps

 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...>

Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 11:00:24 PM

Subject: Re: [] Mold candles for home and Citrisafe questions

 

Google " citrisafe candles " for 500+ hits, including some retail

outlets.

What is interesting is one of the links is to Tennessee Mold

Consultants at:

http://www.themoldl ab.com/shop/ index.php? cPath=23

This lab was originally connected (but no longer, but that another

story) with the Denver company who created the fog and the

candles and advocated settling plates. Which you bought from

Tennessee Mold Consultants and sent to them for analysis. It

was similar to the ProLab plates now available through

HomeDepot. I never saw a set of plates they didn't declare a

problem - except for those after they fogged.

See http://www.citrisaf ecertified. com/

It's an impressive looking site. They've improved their procedures

bringing them more into line with S500, S520 and the EPA for

remediation BEFORE they fog. So why fog? I just have trouble

accepting remedies which aren't based on the building specific

and occupant specific needs.

And, as points out in another e-mail today, they are very

expensive. And as I previously said today, you can get the same

active ingrediant in NutriBiotic (Google it).

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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Where do you purchase the citrisafe candles?

[Guest guest]

I recommend that one not use any product where the company does not give out the

chemical nature of the product. Also, why don't you ask for peer reviewed

literature on their so called treatment. There are too many companies and

individuals trying to make money off a potentially dangerous situation.

Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D.

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We had to abandon our home and our belongings due to having a toxic mold

house. It was brand new and unfortunately wasn't built correctly and allowed

a lot of water intrusion during construction and after closing. We had a

hygeniest use infra red cameras, the problem is that if the moisture is no

longer behind the walls,but has been there previously, the mold can still be

present and yet the infra red camera will not detect anything. We had

multiple leaks from the windows and so the moisture would come and go

depending on the weather and how severe the rain was. Imho the best advice I

would give is if you are having health issues then you need to get out of

the home and have an Industrial Hygeniest and Engineer look at the home. If

you have a musty smell-the odds are that you have mold, although we had no

smell at all and our home was completely contaminated. We stayed in the

house for 18mths, during which time the whole family became ill and it

almost took my life. Mold can be extremely dangerous-when in doubt-*Get Ou*t!

As overly dramatic as that may seem, if you are experiencing any

headaches,diziness,numbness, nosebleeds etc etc the list is endless then you

need to leave the home until it has been remediated.

Your engineer needs to find the source of the moisture intrusion, and then

you can get the remediation done. Unfortunately for us after 18mths the

remediation would have meant bring the house down to it's studs-maybe you

can get yours before it comes to that point.

Do you have a warranty on your home? Builders hate to fix mold issues, but

some will. Drees homes who built our home wouldn't and we ended up in

court-they didn't win!!! If you want to read more www.donttrustdrees.com.

Wishing you the best of luck,

.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:55 AM, ce_hansen <ce_hansen@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hello,

> A (good) doc that I trust recently told me about mold candles that remove

> mycotoxins. Anyone know about this, if they work, and where to buy?

>

> Also, he told me about a company out of CO that will come out, find

> water/moisture areas, and spray the walls etc with Citrisafe, which kills

> mold in those areas. He uses some infrared thingy to figure out where the

> moisture is/was. Beats the cost of remediation.

>

> What do you think of the above? Our new house has definitely had water

> intrusion and as such there may be mold. Nothing is visible but sometimes

> there is a musty smell.

>

> I'm trying to do the cheapest thing to protect us from (invisible) mold.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with ,  We suffered somewhat similar fate.  Due to finances, no

income we became trapped.  Mold really was not visible as well.  There was

really no smell however the home was toxic.  I have 2 lung diseases as a result 

and more.

 

  

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen