Guest guest Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 I found this research article on essential oils and mold. Seven essential oils were evaluated for their ability to inhibit growth of Aspergillus niger, Trichoderma viride, and Penicillium chysogenum on Southern yellow pine (SYP) specimens that were either dip-treated or exposed to volatiles of the test oils. Dip treatment with thyme or geranium (Egyptian) oil inhibited growth of test fungi for 20 weeks. Vapors from dill weed oil also inhibited all test fungi for at least 20 weeks when the vapor source remained in the test apparatus. Essential oils may be useful as moldicidal surface-treatments or fumigants for wood and wood products. THE INFLUENCE OF ESSENTIAL OILS ON MOULD STRAINS ISOLATED FROM POULTRY FARMS http://www.lva.lt/vetzoo/data/vols/2007/40/en/mickiene.pdf God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/pdf2006/fpl_2006_yang001.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 The text in the link is different than the text quoted. The text in the link includes the phrase " ...created 10 mm diameter inhibition zones... " That's a strange way of describing efficacy. It sounds more like they put a drop of essential oil on a culture plate and it spread to a size of 10 mm where the mold wouldn't grow. Also, it's an " inhibition zone " not a kill zone or a denature zone. I'd want to know more. In the text provided, it specifies " ...at least 20 weeks when the vapor source remained in the test apparatus. " This requires constant vaporization. Fine unless the occupant is reactive. Which several on this group have previously stated. I'd want to know more. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- I found thisresearch articleon essential oils and mold. Seven essential oils were evaluated for their ability to inhibit growth of Aspergillus niger, Trichoderma viride, and Penicillium chysogenum on Southern yellow pine (SYP) specimens that were either dip-treated or exposed to volatiles of the test oils. Dip treatment with thyme or geranium (Egyptian) oil inhibited growth of test fungi for 20 weeks. Vapors from dill weed oil also inhibited all test fungi for at least 20 weeks when the vapor source remained in the test apparatus. Essential oils may be useful as moldicidal surface-treatments or fumigants for wood and wood products. THE INFLUENCE OF ESSENTIAL OILS ON MOULD STRAINS ISOLATED FROM POULTRY FARMS http://www.lva. lt/vetzoo/data/vols/2007/40/en/mickiene.pdf God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen http://www.fpl. fs.fed.us/documnts/pdf2006/fpl_2006_yang001.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 I found this regarding this study. http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090017142 n tests conducted in France by Professor Griffon, Director of the French Police Toxicology Laboratory, the antiseptic effect of a blend of essential oils---including pine, thyme, peppermint, lavender, rosemary, cloves and cinnamon---was studied in order to test the ability of the oils to purify the air of harmful disease-causing bacteria. First, Professor Griffon set up a number of Petri dishes approximately 15cm from ground level in an open room, allowing them to stand for 24 hours, the germs from the air being collected naturally as they settled into the open Petri dishes. After 24 hours he analyzed the dishes, finding them to contains 210 colonies of various microbes, including numerous molds and staphylococci. He then sprayed the mixture of essential oils in the form of an aerosol into the air in the room. After only 15 minutes, only 14 colonies of microorganisms out of the original 210 were left alive. After 30 minutes, only FOUR colonies of the original 210 were left. Importantly, ALL of the potentially harmful disease- causing molds and staphylococci had been killed within the first 30 minutes. http://www.miqel.com/reading_library/archived_stories/essential-oil-infection-he\ alth.html God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Merely spraying on oil to a fungus, and thinking you are now safe... not true. You MUST CLEAN the surface completely of all " by products " . Why? Read below. I've not followed the " oil " threads very closely, but some 'facts' do need to be expressed. Aromatic oils as most of them are known, have certain intrinsic physical properties, that means the oil gets classified as aromatic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aroma_compound 1) the compound needs to be volatile - meaning it will evaporate like water does. It enters the air, and is light enough to be transported by air currents upward and away. Not sink to the ground. 2) It needs to interact with the olfactory receptors of the nose. That is, it is biologically active. The oil molecule strikes the outer cell membrane of a living thing (small like a single cell bacteria or virus, or larger like a mold, or larger still, like an elephant or whale). The latter is most important for any disinfection effect. That is a single cell organism when it's outer membrane is struck by the right parts of the oil molecule do not survive intact. That is the oil molecule is biologically active, in some way, when it strikes the cell outer membrane. The molecule does not merely bounce off, or rest there, not interacting. Instead the aroma molecule does " something " to the cell membrane. Typically, it's disruptive in some manner, that is, not beneficial. It's not nutrition to be drawn into the cell for reproductive purposes. The oil molecule could simple cut into the membrane, slicing it open, to let all the inner fluids flow out of the virus or bacteria or fungus. That typically " kills " the mold. HOWEVER, it does not fully neutralize a person's sensitivity to the " by products. " These by products can become air borne and create the same sensitivity reaction as a spore, or mycotoxin, or contact with the fungus itself. Why? It's the nature of the immune system that a group of molecules, where just one molecules is the cause of the original ailment, the MCS, but as it's a group, where most times, all the molecules in the group are present, the immune system learns to react equally to them all. Equally to them all. Thus, merely spraying on oil to a surface, and thinking you are now safe... not true. You MUST CLEAN the surface completely of all " by products " . Your mileage may vary. YMMV. If you are " hyper sensitive " this the above is true. If you are merely " sensitive " , then YMMV. So, as long as one has to " clean the entire surface " with soap and water and elbow grease, well, guess what? Forgo the extra cost of the oil, and the labor time, and just clean it. Then, disinfect it with cheap vinegar, to get where the soap could not go well. Then apply a fungus inhibitor, like borax, in a dilute mix, and let it dry on. Why inhale all that aromatic oil doing the cleaning, disinfecting, and mold inhibitor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Thanks for this study, Mayleen. This is interesting info and the following is not a criticism of you or the other researchers of studies on this group. Many of which are very helpful and often found before the " professionals " become aware of them. So keep searching and keep posting what you find! My comments are to illustrate the absolute necessity to carefully read the words and understand what they mean. Especially because of the current discussion about essential oils and mold. The message of the study sounds very promising. Even I was impressed on first reading. But a closer look reveals many, many concerns about what the study actually demonstrates vs what we think it does vs what we desparately need it to prove. First, its purpose is clearly stated but the description of the study is much broader. Which makes it easy for us to mentally " fill in the blanks " and believe it will do whatever we need. There is confused terminology. It states: " ... test the ability of the oils to purify the air of harmful disease-causing bacteria. " But then it talks about mold! Mold is not bacteria. This decreases credibility that they actually know what they are talking about. 1. The test for effectiveness was for whether or not the mold was killed. Nothing about it being removed or denatured. But the original pupose was for bacteria, not mold. 2. The test for death only included the mold and bacteria colonies already on the settling plates. It tested nothing in the air. 3. The test only included residual effectiveness (they stayed dead?) on the colonies already on the plate. Keep it dry 1000 years and there won't be new growth for 1000 years with or without the oils. 4. I would be extremely interested in their ability to determine whether a mold colony is dead or alive in only a few minutes. The only way I know of is to see if it grows bigger or if it sporulates. Or it doesn't. This is too slow a process to determine quickly and they don't describe their method of determining death in 15 minute increments. 5. The test did not address where the mold was coming from, where the moisture source was located, or how to stop the moisture. We are left with the impression that spraying the oils in the air is all that's needed to solve the problem. Period. End of story. 6. 210 colonies ( " of various microbes " ) after a full 24 hour exposure is a very low number. I'm surprised it is that low. It is extremely low, in fact, even if bacteria were not included. I'm surprised that many would fit on a plate once they are big enough to see without a microscope. Especially the bacteria because they grow more slowly and most would be covered up by the faster growint mold. But they don't say how long the colonies grew or how big they were. Or what type of food was in the plates. 7. I'm even more surprised at only 210 colonies after realizing the plates were placed only 15 cm above the floor. That is ony six (6) inches! Merely walking near the plates would disturb the air and put most of the mold spores and bacteria onto the plate in minutes. They wouldn't need a whole day. 8. Remember the statement of purpose? It was to " test the ability of the oils to purify the air... " But the air wasn't re-tested! We have no idea if there were fewer mold and bacteria in the air after spraying the oils. All we are told is that after spraying the oils into the air the microbes on the plates were dead. Which means the spray also landed on the plates. Which also means they knew how to determine death immediately. All of which makes no sense whatsoever. 9. Spraying water in the air would have removed most, if not all, of the mold from the air. You don't need oils for that. Okay. So what do we learn from the study that is helpful? Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- I found this regarding this study. http://www.faqs.org/patents/ app/20090017142 n tests conducted in France by Professor Griffon, Director of the French Police Toxicology Laboratory, the antiseptic effect of a blend of essential oils---including pine, thyme, peppermint, lavender, rosemary, cloves and cinnamon---was studied in order to test the ability of the oils to purify the air of harmful disease-causing bacteria. First, Professor Griffon set up a number of Petri dishes approximately 15cm from ground level in an open room, allowing them to stand for 24 hours, the germs from the air being collected naturally as they settled into the open Petri dishes. After 24 hours he analyzed the dishes, finding them to contains 210 colonies of various microbes, including numerous molds and staphylococci. He then sprayed the mixture of essential oils in the form of an aerosol into the air in the room. After only 15 minutes, only 14 colonies of microorganisms out of the original 210 were left alive. After 30 minutes, only FOUR colonies of the original 210 were left. Importantly, ALL of the potentially harmful disease- causing molds and staphylococci had been killed within the first 30 minutes. http://www.miqel.com/reading_library/archived_stories/ essential-oil- infection-health.html God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ---------- The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: DEFAULT.BMP Date: 16 Jun 2009, 0:10 Size: 358 bytes. Type: Unknown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Thanks Carl, I find it helpful when sonmeone with more experience in these matters takes them apart. The purpose is to find the wholes. I will keep bringing articles to the table for open discussion. It is the only way to learn, listening to others opinions especially those familiar and with more experience. God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...> Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2009 7:04:33 PM Subject: Re: [] Moldicidal properties of seven essential oils Thanks for this study, Mayleen. This is interesting info and the following is not a criticism of you or the other researchers of studies on this group. Many of which are very helpful and often found before the " professionals " become aware of them. So keep searching and keep posting what you find! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 You're welcome, Mayleen. Keep posting the studies. That's one way for us all to learn more. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- Thanks Carl, I find it helpful when sonmeone with more experience in these matters takes them apart. The purpose is to find the wholes. I will keep bringing articles to the table for open discussion. It is the only way to learn, listening to others opinions especially those familiar and with more experience. God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...> groups (DOT) com Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2009 7:04:33 PM Subject: Re: [] Moldicidal properties of seven essential oils Thanks for this study, Mayleen. This is interesting info and the following is not a criticism of you or the other researchers of studies on this group. Many of which are very helpful and often found before the " professionals " become aware of them. So keep searching and keep posting what you find! ---------- The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: DEFAULT.BMP Date: 16 Jun 2009, 0:10 Size: 358 bytes. Type: Unknown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 A little basic layman's science to correct the information about " aromatics " in a post by someone else. The essential oil has aromatic properties, which means some molecules become airborne, or are evaporated into the air. It does not mean the actual oil is evaporated. The molecules that you smell, the 'aroma', is caused by volatile organic compounds, or voc's. Their partial pressure allows them to enter the atmosphere, sometimes quickly sometimes over long period of time. The portion of the oil that is active toward or against the toxin or microbe is likely still on the surface, doing it's job, i.e., reacting with cell walls or toxic molecules. So yes the oil is potentially effective. And, a warning, the voc's may be a problem to some, just like the very same volatile molecules are a problem in perfumes to some people. The very same molecules that are isolated from the essential oil and used to fragrance many products. However, these same molecules may also be synthesized in a commercial lab; they are identical, sometimes even more pure of compounds than what is sold in the essential oil. For example, the thyme oil used in a mold cleaner has naturally occurring phenol called thymol. (note: this same cleaner also emits a very strong aroma, reminiscent of anything cooked with thyme, like spaghetti! And, I do not recommend this product.) There is also no evidence of quality control, so the oil is added, but with no control over the amount (concentration) of the phenol (aka thymol); due to differences in both the plants and the process, the thymol can likely be added at different concentrations. This has yet to be identified as an issue with the EPA registration, although other products must specify the concentration of a specific ingredient, this product only has to specify the concentration of the essential oil, not the actual active molecule, thymol. So, if you are going to criticize a product, please know the actual chemistry behind the entire product, and do not generalize to make it appear the complete product is a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Yes I agree that the VOC's can ba problem for some especially those with MCS. Also it depends on the extraction of the oil either by solvent (which should be avoided) . There are different methods for extraction. The herb is also important all lavenders for instance do not have the same properties. The botanical name is important. God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: " scottarmour@... " <scottarmour@...> Sent: Monday, September 7, 2009 5:18:16 PM Subject: [] Re: Moldicidal properties of seven essential oils A little basic layman's science to correct the information about " aromatics " in a post by someone else. The essential oil has aromatic properties, which means some molecules become airborne, or are evaporated into the air. It does not mean the actual oil is evaporated. The molecules that you smell, the 'aroma', is caused by volatile organic compounds, or voc's. Their partial pressure allows them to enter the atmosphere, sometimes quickly sometimes over long period of time. The portion of the oil that is active toward or against the toxin or microbe is likely still on the surface, doing it's job, i.e., reacting with cell walls or toxic molecules. So yes the oil is potentially effective. And, a warning, the voc's may be a problem to some, just like the very same volatile molecules are a problem in perfumes to some people. The very same molecules that are isolated from the essential oil and used to fragrance many products. However, these same molecules may also be synthesized in a commercial lab; they are identical, sometimes even more pure of compounds than what is sold in the essential oil. For example, the thyme oil used in a mold cleaner has naturally occurring phenol called thymol. (note: this same cleaner also emits a very strong aroma, reminiscent of anything cooked with thyme, like spaghetti! And, I do not recommend this product.) There is also no evidence of quality control, so the oil is added, but with no control over the amount (concentration) of the phenol (aka thymol); due to differences in both the plants and the process, the thymol can likely be added at different concentrations. This has yet to be identified as an issue with the EPA registration, although other products must specify the concentration of a specific ingredient, this product only has to specify the concentration of the essential oil, not the actual active molecule, thymol. So, if you are going to criticize a product, please know the actual chemistry behind the entire product, and do not generalize to make it appear the complete product is a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 I do try to always provide " good " information, with little typing. And, likely there will always be exceptions to the rule. Pointing them out can be a good thing, if the readership can use the information. Sometimes, the use is not obvious, but never the less, it's still a good thing. At 02:18 PM 9/7/2009, scottarmour@... wrote: >A little basic layman's science to correct the information about > " aromatics " in a post by someone else. >The essential oil has aromatic properties, which means some >molecules become airborne, or are evaporated into the air. It does >not mean the actual oil is evaporated. In some cases it does. Try this, leave out a drop of the oil, and in the morning, it's all gone. No drop. Not all oils do this. Try Tea Tree Oil (TTO). >The molecules that you smell, the 'aroma', is caused by volatile >organic compounds, or voc's. Their partial pressure allows them to >enter the atmosphere, sometimes quickly sometimes over long period of time. Hmm, as long as we are " clarifying " , the use of the term " partial pressure " ... should be vapor pressure. Partial pressure applies only to gasses, not to liquids. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_pressure#Vapor_pressure >The portion of the oil that is active toward or against the toxin or >microbe is likely still on the surface, doing it's job, i.e., >reacting with cell walls or toxic molecules. Hmm, the above may be true for some oils, many oils, but not " all " oils. Many, most VOCs are quite active. Not all VOCs are disinfectants. >So yes the oil is potentially effective. And, a warning, the voc's >may be a problem to some, just like the very same volatile molecules >are a problem in perfumes to some people. The very same molecules >that are isolated from the essential oil and used to fragrance many >products. However, these same molecules may also be synthesized in a >commercial lab; they are identical, sometimes even more pure of >compounds than what is sold in the essential oil. And sometimes they are not identical, but close enough. And sometimes they are not identical, and the difference can be toxic, or poisonous. >For example, the thyme oil used in a mold cleaner has naturally >occurring phenol called thymol. (note: this same cleaner also emits >a very strong aroma, reminiscent of anything cooked with thyme, like >spaghetti! And, I do not recommend this product.) There is also no >evidence of quality control, so the oil is added, but with no >control over the amount (concentration) of the phenol (aka thymol); >due to differences in both the plants and the process, the thymol >can likely be added at different concentrations. This has yet to be >identified as an issue with the EPA registration, although other >products must specify the concentration of a specific ingredient, >this product only has to specify the concentration of the essential >oil, not the actual active molecule, thymol. Standardization is an issue when looking at the " active " ingredient(s). Standardization is a good thing, but can be over done, as most times only one ingredient is standardized, and the ratio to other active ingredients can be key to success. It's rare that standardization is used in cases where ratios are important, but it happens. >So, if you are going to criticize a product, please know the actual >chemistry behind the entire product, and do not generalize to make >it appear the complete product is a problem. Yes, I agree. I'm not sure you are replying to my post, or to one of Carl's, or someone else. Generalization is a problem, as it makes for a lot of typing time to fully qualify a posted sentence. And I've found it a waste of time for most readers, except a few, and sometimes not even that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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