Re: The validity of the environmental neurotoxic effects of toxigenic molds and mycotoxins

September 1, 2009

Dragonflymcs, this is an incredible find. To the Sickbuildings Group: Here's

the Conclusion, but you should read the report.

" The validity of the health effects of chronic toxigenic mold and

mycotoxin exposures has been reviewed. The exposures to mixed molds and

mycotoxins are confirmed to lead to CNS and the immune system, have

pulmonary, and allergic effects preceded by inflammatory processes 25].

Subsequently, these events lead to the observed neurobehavioral abnormalities in

exposed individuals 21,23.

In the light of recent compelling pieces of evidence available in

peer-reviewed literature and the emergence of the science of

nanotoxicology, it is almost imperative that most of the controversies

concerning the validity of the adverse health effects of chronic

environmental toxigenic and mycotoxic exposures can at least in parts,

be resolved. "

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From: dragonflymcs <dragonflymcs@...>

Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 12:43:27 PM

Subject: [] The validity of the environmental neurotoxic effects of

toxigenic molds and mycotoxins

http://www.ispub. com/journal/ the_internet_ journal_of_ toxicology/ volume_5_

number_2_ 40/article/ the_validity_ of_the_environme ntal_neurotoxic_

effects_of_ toxigenic_ molds_and_ mycotoxins. html#h1-6

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

September 2, 2009

Wow this is incredible! Is this in response to WHO's report?

I forwarded it to my attorney,hopefully it will help someone else whose

health is damaged from mold exposure. I read the entire report, finally

someone willing to say this is real people and very, very dangerous.

Bravo Dragonflymcs for finding this and sending it on!!!

Thank you again,

.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 5:57 PM, <brianc8452@...> wrote:

>Dragonflymcs, this is an incredible find. To the Sickbuildings Group:

> Here's the Conclusion, but you should read the report.

>

> " The validity of the health effects of chronic toxigenic mold and

> mycotoxin exposures has been reviewed. The exposures to mixed molds and

>

September 2, 2009

They mentioned the new science of Nanotechnology-has anyone heard of it?

I looked it up and this is what it says about Nanotechnology and

Nanomaterials;

Nanomaterials are able to cross biological membranes and access

cells<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_%28biology%29>,

tissues and organs that larger-sized particles normally

cannot.[10]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotoxicology#cite_note-9>Nanomaterial\

s

can gain access to the blood stream following inhalation

[11] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotoxicology#cite_note-PFTox-10> or

ingestion.[12]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotoxicology#cite_note-Jnanobio-11\

>At

least some nanomaterials can penetrate the skin;

[13] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotoxicology#cite_note-12> even larger

microparticles may penetrate skin when it is

flexed.[14]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotoxicology#cite_note-13>Broken

skin is an ineffective particle barrier,

[15]

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotoxicology#cite_note-EPH05-1-14>suggesting

that acne, eczema, shaving wounds or severe sunburn may

accelerate skin uptake of nanomaterials. Then, once in the blood stream,

nanomaterials can be transported around the body and be taken up by organs

and tissues, including the brain, heart, liver, kidneys, spleen, bone marrow

and nervous

system.[15]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotoxicology#cite_note-EPH05-1-14>Nan\

omaterials

have proved toxic to human tissue and cell cultures, resulting

in increased oxidative stress<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxidative_stress>,

inflammatory cytokine <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine> production and

cell death

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrosis>.[11]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanoto\

xicology#cite_note-PFTox-10>Unlike

larger particles, nanomaterials may be taken up by cell

mitochondria

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondria>[16]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nan\

otoxicology#cite_note-EPH03-15>and

the cell

nucleus

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_nucleus>.[17]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Na\

notoxicology#cite_note-16>

[18] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotoxicology#cite_note-EPH05-2-17>Studies

demonstrate the potential for nanomaterials to cause

DNA <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA>

mutation<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation>

[18] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotoxicology#cite_note-EPH05-2-17> and

induce major structural damage to mitochondria, even resulting in cell

death.[1 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotoxicology#cite_note-EPH03-15>

Sounds to me like Mycotoxins are Nanomaterials!! Our IH (Industrial

Hygeniest) and Dr Yang told us that Mycotoxins are less than 3 microns and

can penetrate the skin !!

Love to hear some thoughts!

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Meng <moldsick@...> wrote:

> Wow this is incredible! Is this in response to WHO's report?

>

> I forwarded it to my attorney,hopefully it will help someone else whose

> health is damaged from mold exposure. I read the entire report, finally

> someone willing to say this is real people and very, very dangerous.

>

> Bravo Dragonflymcs for finding this and sending it on!!!

>

> Thank you again,

>

> .

>

> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 5:57 PM, <brianc8452@...> wrote:

>

>>

>> Dragonflymcs, this is an incredible find.

September 2, 2009

Nano tech is something to avoid, most definitely, whether you are

ailing, or fully healthy, imho.

It has no safety record. None. And what nano tech in the market

today, it has all proven

dangers, yet it continues to be made and marketed to

consumers. Outrageous, imho.

At 10:10 AM 9/2/2009, you wrote:

>They mentioned the new science of Nanotechnology-has anyone heard of it?

I've been tracking it for over 25 years, before it made any newspaper

headlines,

as in my field, science, it has been making headlines for quite some time.

So, I am more familiar with buckeyballs and other scientific advances.

The use in consumer products... is like GMO food... prove it safe,

fully safe first!

The largest warning I can give you on this list is as follows:

1) Stainless clothing uses it. It does flake off. You do inhale it.

I now avoid the section of the clothing store that stocks these.

I do not wear anything with a 'modern' chemical treatment as

the safety has never been determined. There is no government

agency that enforces clothing safety, erh, well the www.CPSC.gov

but they are lame in many areas. In some areas they get better,

but overall, I score them negatively now for the responsiveness

in new areas. I wholeheartedly wish them to continue their efforts,

and I do support their effort. Just they can not keep up with the

change rate, and they are easily swayed away from protecting

consumers when approached, imho.

2) Rumor has it perfumes now are using nano sized molecules...

of all the stupidity... given the listed problems in the original

post, where inhalation poses an immediate, clear and present

threat to the health of humans. Talk about second hand smoke....

3) Rumor has it that skin care products are now using it.

Of all the dumb ideas.... ditto the above comments.

Keep in mind that all molecules can come in nano size.

Mostly talk is about molecules normally considered a solid,

not a liquid or a gas. Perfume is dozens of types of molecules,

so while perfume is a liquid, it can suspend in it molecules that

are typically solid, that fall to the ground as they are too heavy

to stay in the air.

Titanium dioxide is one such molecule being used as a colorant, white,

for skin care products. Titanium dioxide is also in nose sunburn block.

It can be nano sized. I do not believe the sunblock uses nano sized.

However, I read titanium dioxide directly will assault the size, no matter

what size. In the sunblock they must surround the TiO2 molecule with

a buffer molecule, to prevent skin damage. You will not find me using

any type of TiO2, except in paint and ceramic glazes. Those two applications

seal in the molecule, very tightly, so harm is not very much, and my immune

system can easily repair the damage.

September 2, 2009

The report was published in 2008, so it was prior to the WHO report and another

example of the numerous research papers that were ignored by the WHO.

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From: Meng <moldsick@...>

Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 9:53:02 AM

Subject: Re: [] The validity of the environmental neurotoxic

effects of toxigenic molds and mycotoxins

Wow this is incredible! Is this in response to WHO's report?

September 2, 2009

Let's not go to extremes just yet. I agree that nano is of grave

concern but not all uses of nano is inherently dangerous, just as

not all uses of arsenic is dangerous. Or all radiation will kill.

Conversely, water is absolutely essential but too much in the

wrong part of the body at the wrong time will kill you.

I think the key is how Pete differentiates between nano in

uncontrolled situations with unintended exposures and how he is

fine using TiO2 in paint and ceramic glazes. He understands the

differences and is no longer frightened with nano in those specific

situations.

He also points out that many common molecules are by definition

nano. A lot of the world is nano.

Nano identifies a measurement. A very small measurement.

Smaller sizes than the barrier between the blood and the brain.

Which makes it dangerous. Unless the substance is oxygen and

carbon dioxide and nutrients. These MUST get through to the

brain - and they can because they are small enough (nano).

We've all heard of a millimeter, right? What is a nanometer?

Dangerous? A millimeter is a thousandth of a meter. A

nanometer is a billionth of a meter. A millisecond is a 1/1,000 of a

second and a nanosecond is a 1/1,000,000,000 of a second.

Where I do agree is with caution for the unknown, incomplete,

and uncertain - with the Precautionary Principle. The

Precautionary Principle essentially says the burden of safety is on

the manufacturers before release of the product rather than the

current procedure of releasing the product and only then it has to

be proven dangerous to get them to stop. Which is a travesty.

The Precautionary Principle is intended precisely for those

situations where the facts and science is incomplete. It is a

democratic process for determining benefits and risks with a

variety of stakeholders making the decisions - not just the

manufacturers.

There are two excellent sites to learn more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precautionary_principle

http://www.sehn.org/precaution.html

Here are two quotes from www.sehn.org:

" When an activity raises threats of harm to human health or

the environment, precautionary measures should be taken

even if some cause and effect relationships are not fully

established scientifically. In this context the proponent of an

activity, rather than the public, should bear the burden of

proof. The process of applying the precautionary principle

must be open, informed and democratic and must include

potentially affected parties. It must also involve an examination

of the full range of alternatives, including no action. " -

Wingspread Statement on the Precautionary Principle, Jan.

1998

" The precautionary principle, virtually unknown here six years

ago, is now a U.S. phenomenon. In December 2001 the New

York Times Magazine listed the principle as one of the most

influential ideas of the year, describing the intellectual, ethical,

and policy framework SEHN had developed around the

principle. "

I have extremely grave concerns about much of the movement to

using substances whose dimensions are measured in

nanometers. But there are also developments in engineering and

medicine which apprear to use the advantages of

nanotechnology without the risks. So let's not condemn all nano

just like we should not condemn all mold (cheese? composting,

whether our own or in nature?) or all VOCs.

Also, let's not approve of all water. In the lungs? Raging down a

flooded river? Wind-driven rain in a hurricane?

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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