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Pat, I got simply a pitcher, because filter will catch germs and I like the fact

that keeping pitcher and filter in refrigerator holds down the growth of those

bacteria, whereas one at room temperature won't. Perhaps if you use the room

temperature one once a day to fill up bottles of water to store in refrig and

let the filter dry out throughly between useage, that would keep down bacteria

or fungal growth, but if it's used alot and basically stays wet, I think that is

a good place to breed germs. Just like they say a dish cloth is the best place

to find germs in the house because it's always damp. Are filters inexpensive

enough to change very frequently, may be another question. For this reason, I

just use the Brita pitcher water filter and use that water for cooking and

drinking.

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> I'd like to get a water filter either for my house (has well water) or

> a tabletop. Has anyone used the Big Berkey?

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Here are a few filters, 

 

Aquasana has a counter moder and a shower.  It is very good, I use it, change

filters every six months, leaves the minerals in the water your body needs,

removes harmful things including bacteria, also removes VOC's from the water

which you would breathe in the shower.

 

http://www.aquasana.com/

 

Rhino Whole House Filtration by Aquasana

 

 

http://www.aquasanastore.com/aq-whole-house.html

 

 

There is information on their site about other systems, you also call and ask

questions since you have a well water it varies depending on where you live.

http://www.ei-resource.org/store/home-water-filters/home-water-filters-(united-s\

tates)/

Your body needs the minerals in the water.  Good Luck !!!

 

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Thank you Barb. I really want to make a good quantity for myself and

the birds. That's why the pitcher won't do. Good suggestion though. ;)

Barth

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b> Pat, I got simply a pitcher, because filter will catch germs and I like the

fact that keeping pitcher and filter in refrigerator holds down the growth of

those bacteria, whereas one at room

b> temperature won't. Perhaps if you use the room temperature one once a day to

fill up bottles of water to store in refrig and let the filter dry out throughly

between useage, that would keep down

b> bacteria or fungal growth, but if it's used alot and basically stays wet, I

think that is a good place to breed germs. Just like they say a dish cloth is

the best place to find germs in the house

b> because it's always damp. Are filters inexpensive enough to change very

frequently, may be another question. For this reason, I just use the Brita

pitcher water filter and use that water for

b> cooking and drinking.

b>

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>> I'd like to get a water filter either for my house (has well water) or

>> a tabletop. Has anyone used the Big Berkey?

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>> Barth

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>> SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html

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Has anyone had any luck with filtering out flouride for sink and shower? Can't

install a whole house r/o filter as we are in a rental and the landlord won't

allow it.

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Here are a few filters, 

 

Aquasana has a counter moder and a shower.  It is very good, I use it, change

filters every six months, leaves the minerals in the water your body needs,

removes harmful things including bacteria, also removes VOC's from the water

which you would breathe in the shower.

 

http://www.aquasana .com/

 

Rhino Whole House Filtration by Aquasana

 

 

http://www.aquasana store.com/ aq-whole- house.html

 

 

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You can get shower faucet filters. I got one at Home Depot. I haven't tested

the water though afterwards but it is for taking the chlorine out. I couldn't

find one for bath.

>

> Has anyone had any luck with filtering out flouride for sink and shower? Can't

install a whole house r/o filter as we are in a rental and the landlord won't

allow it.

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Thanks. Those won't remove flouride though. I've seen some that use something

called " alumina " that seems to be oddly enough derived from aluminum, which is

also the source for flouride. I've tried to get specifics from dealers, but they

don't seem to know enough to tell me about it. Another brand, called the

" wellness shower filter " says it can transform the chemical structure of the

flouride to a harmless form that your body will excrete. I don't get the science

of it at all and am wondering if this makes sense or is one more half-___sed

claim? Here is a quote that makes the claim:

" This unique purification system will remove the trace radioactive and

heavy metal contaminates contained in the hydrofluorosilicic acid.

 fluoride,  it  reacts with hydrofluorosilicic acid to produce calcium

fluoride - a naturally occurring form of fluoride found in mineral

springs. Unlike the other forms of fluoride, calcium fluoride is

non-toxic, is not retained in the body and is completely excreted in

the urine. The Wellness shower filter does not remove fluoride but

changes its structure so it can be easily removed from your body. "

Thanks,

Sam

You can get shower faucet filters. I got one at Home Depot. I haven't

tested the water though afterwards but it is for taking the chlorine out. I

couldn't find one for bath.

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Apparently the use of alumina has not yet been studied for long term health

consequences of it's use.

http://www.aquasana.com.au/faqs/do-your-systems-remove-bacteria-anf-fluride/

 

 God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

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Thanks. Those won't remove flouride though. I've seen some that use something

called " alumina " that seems to be oddly enough derived from aluminum, which is

also the source for flouride. I've tried to get specifics from dealers, but they

don't seem to know enough to tell me about it. Another brand, called the

" wellness shower filter " says it can transform the chemical structure of the

flouride to a harmless form that your body will excrete. I don't get the science

of it at all and am wondering if this makes sense or is one more half-___sed

claim? Here is a quote that makes the claim:

" This unique purification system will remove the trace radioactive and

heavy metal contaminates contained in the hydrofluorosilicic acid.

 fluoride,  it  reacts with hydrofluorosilicic acid to produce calcium

fluoride - a naturally occurring form of fluoride found in mineral

springs. Unlike the other forms of fluoride, calcium fluoride is

non-toxic, is not retained in the body and is completely excreted in

the urine. The Wellness shower filter does not remove fluoride but

changes its structure so it can be easily removed from your body. "

Thanks,

Sam

You can get shower faucet filters. I got one at Home Depot. I haven't tested the

water though afterwards but it is for taking the chlorine out. I couldn't find

one for bath.

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Thanks Mayleen!

--- On Sat, 7/11/09, dragonflymcs <dragonflymcs@...> wrot

Apparently the use of alumina has not yet been studied for long term health

consequences of it's use.

http://www.aquasana .com.au/faqs/ do-your-systems- remove-bacteria- anf-fluride/

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I believe it flouride is widely used in many parts of the country altho there

are exceptions. I know too that there is one town in NJ that uses h2o2 instead

of chlorine. But I don't know if they use flouride. But that is a hopeful step.

I might be wrong but I think flouride is outlawed in other countries. Amazing

that the government has been so worried about our teeth all these years so as to

force this on us. They really care... not.

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Is there flouride is all tap water now, or is it different from county or

state to state?

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Sam,

I'm glad you quoted the claim because it contains an important

piece of information about flouride: " " ...will remove the trace

radioactive and heavy metal contaminates contained in the

hydrofluorosilicic acid. "

Flouride is not the same a hydroflourosilicic acid. Flouride is an

element. Hydroclourosilicic acid is a complex chemical which has

flouride in it. Also, the reason it is important to remove " trace

radioactive andheavy metal contaminantes " is because where

much of the hydrofluorosilicic acid comes from: Smoke stack

scrubbers.

I suggest you Google hydrofluorosilicic acid and see what is

known, including a defense of its use at:

http://www.solvaychemicals.us/static/wma/pdf/5/1/4/9/HFS.pdf

But be aware they are talking about pure fluorosilicic acid, not the

" impurities " from the smokestacks. Also Google

" hydrofluorosilicic acid + scrubbers "

And we wonder why more people are getting sicker with more

" unusual " illnesses.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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>

>

> Thanks. Those won't remove flouride though. I've seen some that use something

called " alumina " that seems

> to be oddly enough derived from aluminum, which is also the source for

flouride. I've tried to get specifics

> from dealers, but they don't seem to know enough to tell me about it. Another

brand, called the " wellness

> shower filter " says it can transform the chemical structure of the flouride to

a harmless form that your body

> will excrete. I don't get the science of it at all and am wondering if this

makes sense or is one more half-

> ___sed claim? Here is a quote that makes the claim:

> " This unique purification system will remove the trace radioactive and

> heavy metal contaminates contained in the hydrofluorosilicic acid.

> fluoride,it reacts with hydrofluorosilicic acid to produce calcium

> fluoride - a naturally occurring form of fluoride found in mineral

> springs. Unlike the other forms of fluoride, calcium fluoride is

> non-toxic, is not retained in the body and is completely excreted in

> the urine. The Wellness shower filter does not remove fluoride but

> changes its structure so it can be easily removed from your body. "

>

> Thanks,

> Sam

>

>

>

> You can get shower faucet filters. I got one at Home Depot. I haven't tested

the water though afterwards but

> it is for taking the chlorine out. I couldn't find one for bath.

>

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You can also use water distillation, it has been around for some time.

http://www.fluoridealert.org/faqs.htm#A5

 

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God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 8:53:19 AM

Subject: [] Re: OT: Water filters

Is there flouride is all tap water now, or is it different from county or state

to state?

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My pleasure,  It is a shame we have to tolerate what others decide is best for

our water even if it is not safe and they know it.  However you know they will

never admit to it. Hopefully they will take it out altogether sometime

soon.......wishful thinking LOL

 

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Now is the hour! Know it, believe it, Great Spirit intercedes, Feeding you,

blessing you, Filling all your needs. By DCarson JSams

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 11:47:38 AM

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Thanks Mayleen!

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I wonder why there are campaigns on television shows here and there to point out

that tap water is just fine and " one doesn't know where bottled water comes

from " . Pardon my skepticism, but I've long ago dropped the idea that anyone is

protecting our interests, so I wonder who is on the " don't drink the bottled

water campaign " ? Which also is same question as who cares that people get

flouride to protect our teeth? I can never find a satisfactory answer to what

is healthy water. Water is the great solvent and will absorb whatever it is

around.

>

> Sam,

>

> I'm glad you quoted the claim because it contains an important

> piece of information about flouride: " " ...will remove the trace

> radioactive and heavy metal contaminates contained in the

> hydrofluorosilicic acid. "

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Yes, but having everything distilled out, whatever container you put it in, it

will absorb from that, because water hates to be 'alone'. The more devoid it is

of 'stuff', the more absorbent it is. If you can distill into a glass

container, then you MUST put minerals back in. Otherwise it will take minerals

out of your body. That's why in reverse osmosis filters attached to sinks, the

tube that carries the water from filter to faucet is plastic, because it will

dissolve a metal pipe. Maybe the only thing it will dissolve in metal then,

since plastic works? (Well, we know it does absorb plastic from plastic bottles

it is stored in, but perhaps it has a greater afinity for metal?)

>

> You can also use water distillation, it has been around for some time.

>

> http://www.fluoridealert.org/faqs.htm#A5

>  

>  Dragonfly ... Breaks illusions, Brings visions of power, No need to prove it,

Now is the hour! Know it, believe it, Great Spirit intercedes, Feeding you,

blessing you, Filling all your needs. By DCarson JSams

>

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

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Yes, filters go after " certain things " , and tests test for " certain things " , but

there is alot that it doesn't catch and tests don't test for. I heard one of

best strategies might be to use water from a variety of sources that seem good

to you, that way you aren't getting alot of whatever that water is contaminated

with. I think there will always be contaminates in water. I buy spring water

from sources that are far from industry and agriculture, tap water put through a

pitcher style water cleaner at home.

I'm surprised there is a filter that would leave minerals.

>

> I do not think there is a perfect system yet.  We do our best to be as safe as

possible. I use the aquasana. We remove one thing and find there is more that

nees to be cleaned.

>

> The one I use leaves the minerals. 

>  .

>  >

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

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People with MCS have very special needs and thank goodness there are people out

there that are meeting our needs even if limited it is better than nothing.  I

cannot imagine MCS 20 years ago.

 

 God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: barb1283 <barb1283@...>

Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 10:56:16 PM

Subject: [] Re: OT: Water filters

Yes, filters go after " certain things " , and tests test for " certain things " , but

there is alot that it doesn't catch and tests don't test for. I heard one of

best strategies might be to use water from a variety of sources that seem good

to you, that way you aren't getting alot of whatever that water is contaminated

with. I think there will always be contaminates in water. I buy spring water

from sources that are far from industry and agriculture, tap water put through a

pitcher style water cleaner at home.

I'm surprised there is a filter that would leave minerals.

>

> I do not think there is a perfect system yet.  We do our best to be as safe as

possible. I use the aquasana. We remove one thing and find there is more that

nees to be cleaned.

>

> The one I use leaves the minerals. 

>  .

>  >

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

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Mayleen,

Don't forget about the prescription drugs in our water supplies,

both from the drug companies dumping them into their waste

water and from people using the drugs with traces in their body

waste which enters the sewer system but aren't removed by the

treatment plants. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-

dyn/content/discussion/2008/03/10/DI2008031002217.html Many

other stories including how fish and frogs are being born

deformed by simple Google searches.

As for filters removing only some things and different filters

removing only parts of others, charcoal reduces much of the

heavy metals such as lead but without a guarantee of removal.

Charcoal removes low level solvents and some other chemicals

but not flouride or pharmaceuticals. Any mechanical sieve with a

pore size at 0.5 microns or smaller will remove bacteria such as

e-coli. Charcoal will not remove minerals. Distillation will and so

will reverse osmosis (RO). But RO doesn't remove chemicals,

including chlorine, so charcoal is needed.

Once the chlorine is removed (by charcoal) then the water is

again susceptible to bacteria. It needs to be immediately used or

filtered with a 0.5 micron sieve or subjected to UV light.

Shower filters present a different problem. Charcoal removes the

chlorine and trihalomethanes but only if the water is cold. So a

hot shower can release them right into the air where you are

breathing as you shower. As will running the hot water until it is

hot and then moderating it with the cold water. Techniques other

than charcoal claim to have solved this problem but I've seen only

claims and no independent verification. Perhaps some of you

have seen that.

As you say, Mayleen, " Now more than ever we must inform

ourselves. Read from various places and come to our own

conclusions on what we feel is safer for us. "

Exactly! And that is the power of groups such as this. We share

information and experiences so others can consider whether or

not is will work for them.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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> I agree there is no one looking out for our best interest.Now more than ever

we must inform ourselves. Read

> from various places and come to our own conclusionson what we feel is safer

for us.

>

> Water is unfortunately becoming more and more contaminated. You find how to

filter one thing and another

> shows up or is added to it.

>

> In a limited sampling of fewer than one hundred utilities, NRDC found that

more than 45.6 million

> Americans drank water supplied by systems where the unregulated and

potentially deadly contaminant

> cryptosporidium was found in their raw or treated water.[19] Hundreds of

chemicals and microbes have been

> detected in drinking water supplies throughout the country, yet tests are

required for just over a hundred of

> these.[20]

>

> http://www.nrdc. org/health/kids/ocar/chap7.asp

>

> A recent report published by the Environmental Working Group (EWG) found that

about 4.3 million

> Americans in 245 communities are exposed to levels of carcinogenic herbicides

in drinking water that exceed

> the EPA's benchmark of acceptable cancer risk (one case in a population of a

million).[27] Commonly used

> agricultural herbicides contaminate the tap water of 374 Midwestern towns.

Over ten million Americans in

> the Midwest and Chesapeake Bay region are exposed to carcinogenic herbicides

in their drinking water. In

> addition, mixtures of herbicides were found in tap water: one sample from a

suburb of Cincinnati contained

> ten different herbicides and metabolites, and samples from five other towns in

Ohio and Illinois contained

> six or more herbicides and metabolites.

>

> Dragonfly ... Breaks illusions, Brings visions of power, No need to prove it,

Now is the hour! Know it, believe

> it, Great Spirit intercedes, Feeding you, blessing you, Filling all your

needs. By DCarson JSams

>

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

>

> ________________________________

> From: barb1283 <barb1283@...>

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> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 6:26:50 PM

> Subject: [] Re: OT: Water filters

>

> I wonder why there are campaigns on television shows here and there to point

out that tap water is just fine

> and " one doesn't know where bottled water comes from " . Pardon my skepticism,

but I've long ago dropped

> the idea that anyone is protecting our interests, so I wonder who is on the

" don't drink the bottled water

> campaign " ? Which also is same question as who cares that people get flouride

to protect our teeth? I can

> never find a satisfactory answer to what is healthy water. Water is the great

solvent and will absorb whatever

> it is around.

>

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Thanks Carl,

It is so hard to get things removed when other things continue to be added or

dumped in our water supply. 

Once again I agree with you,  Did you know the EPA wants to amend the Clean

Water Act to allow raw sewage?   In a study done in Germany the found 5 or 6

different articial sweetners stil in the water that was not being removed.  So

many things to contend with. 

I have to have filtered air and water to live now. 

Then their are the shampoo's, detergents, soaps, conditioners, so many things

going into the water that is not removed,

I put GSE in my filtered water and I add it to liquid soap in shower and

kitchen, to my laudry rinse, and other uses.  I cannot afford an infection so

try my best within my means to do what I can to keep us alive literally.  So I

read a lot and find simple inexpensive solutions to the dilemas even that gets

expensive.

When it got really bad ($$)  we went without and a lot of prayers.  Detox is

also a means.  Help improve the body burden overload.

I have seen the frogs and fish, so sad because this will be us unless someone

does something to improve water quality. 

I ate an orange once when this started and passed out until the next day. 

Pesticides or fertilizers in our foods. You can see how really sensitive I am. 

There are also new systems out there like water alkalizers,  Here is another

system.... I am sure you are familiar

http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/alkaline-ionized-water-machine.html

What is your opinion about a good system for all these issues ?

 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...>

Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 1:44:43 AM

Subject: Re: [] Re: OT: Water filters

Mayleen,

Exactly! And that is the power of groups such as this. We share

information and experiences so others can consider whether or

not is will work for them.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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Thanks very much Carl,

I will google this info. Do you think the claim on behalf of the company is

possible? Or is it more junk-science? Can the filtering process transform the

chemical structure of the hydrofluorosilicic acid into a harmless version? Here

is a link I found for it on promolife.

" http://www.promolife.com/bed-and-bath/shower-and-bath-filters/wellness-shower-h\

ead-w/-built-in-water-filter/prod_1269.html " . Please know that I am in no way

touting this at all. But would be interested in a safe means to avoid this toxic

chemical and also to not waste my money on one more product that is not going to

help. Any feedback would be very much appreciated. Hopefully we're not straying

away to much from our list issues.

Thanks so much,

Sam

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Sam,

I'm glad you quoted the claim because it contains an important

piece of information about flouride: " " ...will remove the trace

radioactive and heavy metal contaminates contained in the

hydrofluorosilicic acid. "

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Thanks Barb,

That is a concern for as as far as distilling for sure. As most distillers I've

seen are made of stainless inside and often they seem to be a bit rough to the

touch inside as if it wouldn't take much to leech. Even the better ones that are

quite smooth are concerning as above all nickel is quite toxic and that'sa large

component of stainless steel. Is there a distiller that comes in a glass

container?

I wonder if the water ph is higher though if that would minimize leeching from

r/o or distilling? Also, r/o and distilling radically lower ph levels.

Sam

Yes, but having everything distilled out, whatever container you put it in, it

will absorb from that, because water hates to be 'alone'. The more devoid it is

of 'stuff', the more absorbent it is. If you can distill into a glass

container, then you MUST put minerals back in.

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Sam,

I don't know enough chemistry to answer your question. Water

softening works by replacing the calcium with sodium. Some of the

magnet companies used to claim the magnetic field has a similar

result. Some seemed to help but there was no real objective

evidence.

Maybe someone else on the list has the answer.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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wrote:

> Thanks very much Carl,

>

> I will google this info. Do you think the claim on behalf of the

> company is possible? Or is it more junk-science? Can the

> filtering process transform the chemical structure of the

> hydrofluorosilicic acid into a harmless version? Here is a link I

> found for it on promolife.

>

" http://www.promolife.com/bed-and-bath/shower-and-bath-filters/wellness-shower-h\

ead-w/-built-in-water-filter/prod_1269.html " .

> Please know that I am in no way touting this at all. But would be

> interested in a safe means to avoid this toxic chemical and also

> to not waste my money on one more product that is not going to

> help. Any feedback would be very much appreciated. Hopefully

> we're not straying away to much from our list issues.

>

> Thanks so much,

> Sam --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...> wro

>

> Sam,

>

> I'm glad you quoted the claim because it contains an important

> piece of information about flouride: " " ...will remove the trace

> radioactive and heavy metal contaminates contained in the

> hydrofluorosilicic acid. "

>

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Here is the actual breakdown of one of the types of commonly used SS. The

nickel content there is almost double that of regular SS. And this grade

is very standard in caustic processess. This grade is also used in implants.

Biff Byrum

Type Analysis of Stainless Type 316:

Carbon 0.08% max. Silicon 1.00% max.

Manganese 2.00% max. Chromium 16.00-18.00%

Phosphorus 0.045% max. Nickel 10.00-14.00%

Sulfur 0.030% max. Molybdenum 2.00-3.00%

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> Thanks Barb,

>

> That is a concern for as as far as distilling for sure. As most distillers

> I've seen are made of stainless inside and often they seem to be a bit

> rough to the touch inside as if it wouldn't take much to leech. Even the

> better ones that are quite smooth are concerning as above all nickel is

> quite toxic and that'sa large component of stainless steel.

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I don't know. Getting healthy water has been something I haven't figured out.

I think perhaps put right into glass after distillation, or right into glass

reverse osmosis water. Reverse Osmosis takes out minerals too, right? Does

anyone know? I think it does. I know I can buy reverse osmosis water at Whole

Foods and they suggest putting trace minerals in it, so guess they are saying it

is without minerals or at least low in mineral content.

Rough insides of distiller you mention, might be due to it having been leeches

already by distilled water.

>

> Thanks Barb,

>

> That is a concern for as as far as distilling for sure. As most distillers

I've seen are made of stainless inside and often they seem to be a bit rough to

the touch inside

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