Opinion about: -Disturbing update on HR3200 (or whatever it will be numbered)

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My Opinion

This is an important discussion and I appreciate how it is a

discussion rather than a shouting-down match like is occuring at

some of the town hall meetings around the country.

The discussion, especially with the info presented below by

ur_shtnme, helps to clarify the issues and the vocabulary of

vaccination legislation. This is much like we've learned to be so

carefully critical in figuring out what is best for us concerning

dead mold vs live mold vs mold testing vs moisture in

and what is allergy vs asthma vs chemical

intolerance vs hypochondria.

Question: Is the issue the power of the government or what

specifically the government may be forcing upon the citizens?

The two are getting confused I think and once the perception is

established on one issue it will carry over to other programs

which perhaps are deserving.

I'm particularly concerned about the meaning of " home visits.

Forcing a vaccination or any other procedure via a " home visit " is

frightening to me. I am adamantly opposed to it. Forcing

landlords and property managers to stop water leaks and then

cleanup mold until we stop getting sick from it, I support. See

what I mean about a difference between the power to intervene

and the purpose of the intervention?

There is much activity within public health, govt agencies, non-

profits, and medical organizations to develop specific protocols

for allergy and asthma intervention based on the information from

a " home visit. " The basis is best expressed in the National Heart,

Lung, and Blood Institute national allergy guidelines

http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/guidelines/asthma/index.htm a required

element of which is a home visit to assess management of

triggers. When to precribe a home visit and what the home visit is

to consist of is being developed as we speak.

Presented within the framework of the vaccination " home visit " I

would expect the knee jerk reaction of many would be to also

strongly resist an asthma " home visit. "

However, presented within the framework of how the asthma

" home visit " is actually proceeding I am strongly supportive of it.

In fact, I am participating in it on several different levels in various

organizations. These allergy and asthma " home visits " have

absolutely nothing to do with vaccination " home visits. " Which is

why not all " home visits " are alike and why not all " governmental

interventions " are alike.

The developing protocols for Asthma home visits are opening the

door for govt agencies, public health and medical organizations to

finally begin addressing exactly what people on this group need:

The individuality of long term, low level exposures to whatever

is in the indoor environment, whether mold or VOC or

whatever.

So, thank you, ur_shtnme, for your clarifications about the current

activities on vaccination. Clarity and truth is absolutely critical. We

must comprend and trust the available information so we can

individually make good decisions.

Believing and following the opinions of others without the original

documents is dogma, not data. It is propaganda intended to

mislead us for the purpose of others who we don't know and

whose intent is not revealed, and whose agenda could very well

be against our own self-interest.

For example, I was recently challanged as to why I rejected

opinion pieces by the (conservatives?) on health care but not the

(liberal?) WHO report. The difference is I could read the WHO

report and decide for myself what it actually said. The opinion

pieces against health care reform were opinions without the

original document, opinions which I might agree or disagree with

depending on what the original document says. And I had no idea

who formulated the opinions or what their agenda was.

Maybe the asthma initiatives won't turn out any better than some

of the feared attempts with vaccination. But it is far, far away from

that in intent or structure or ability to conduct. And, it is something

of benefit to us here.

Insist on original sources, not the opinions of others no matter

how clever sounding their names, or how widespread they have

been virually propogated through the internet/e-

mail/facebook/Utube/Twitter/fear-mongering mass hysteria of

propoganda.

It is your life and your choices. Make sure you understand and

trust the information so you can make better choices.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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Ok... I was wrong on some of this...

The Senate's Health, Education, Labor and Pension Committee did

indeed pass a bill... they just did it backward. As far as I can find, there

still is not even a bill number, which means it's never been officially

introduced. Normally, a bill is introduced, given a bill number, and then

referred to a specific committee. Sometimes the bill is introduced by the

committee chair himself without a bill number and reviewed/considered

(maybe passed) in committee. The House of Representatives rules are

such that if it is done this way, the bill must be officially introduced by

the end of that day so I know the House rule on that method). I'm

guessing the Senate doesn't have the same rule, because it was passed by

the Senate HELP committee on July 15th or so, but I still can't find the

bill anywhere but the Committee's website, still without a bill number.

Can't find it in the official registry at http://thomas.loc.gov.

The short paragraph below isn't really referring to the University of

Alabama article for which the link is provided... the paragraph was found

in that article and actually refers to another CNS article...

http://www.cnsnews. com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=51115

This article brings into question the provision in both the Senate bill

(attached) and the House bill (HR 3200, also attached) that speaks of

" home visits " as an intervention tool. Nothing in the bill says that these

home visits result in anything mandatory. Supposedly they're trying

everything they can to get the word out, educate, and encourage folks to

get their shots or other health related actions. Again, the bill does not say

that they will enter your home and force your family to get shots.

Nothing requires you to even speak to anyone if they do knock on your

door. Feel free to shut the door in their face.

The idea that the government wants to allow or require teams of health

folks to make home visits for these purposes is troubling anyway. Right

now it's couched as a grant to states to do a demonstration/pilot project

that includes these types of efforts at education and outreach. But

seriously... do you want the Public Health Service (which, yes, do indeed

wear uniforms just like military uniforms... they look like Navy)

knocking on your door prepared to give immunizations, etc? Even if you

can turn them down, it just seems intrusive. I mean... you have to be

living in the backwoods with no TV or telephone to not know about

pandemics when they happen... you already know you can go somewhere

to get a shot...

Not clear who the " home visits " would target... door to door? Just those

that are bedridden and unable to go to the doc for themselves? I could

see the latter happening upon request possibly being a good thing... upon

request... but that doesn't appear to be the intent... it's just very unclear

as it's written in such broad language as it could include anything...

Another note about the Public Health Service... it's very small... odds are

it wouldn't be a uniformed PHS person that comes to your house, but

rather these local intervention Community Preventive Services Task

Force teams set up to " assist " local doctors... I'd be watching and asking

about the Community Preventive Services Task Force... that seems to be

the foot in the door, so to speak, for government to slowly assert more

control in the local health arena... I mean... where are the people going to

come from to help the local doctors? If they were so plentiful then why

aren't they already working for local doctors? At which point we wouldn't

need the Task Force people... so whether or not the teams are

widespread or not, it's a legislative way of asserting more influence and

control in the local health community, even if they never actually form a

team. And once you make something allowable, it's harder to turn it off...

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