Re: WARNING..on the warpath

[Guest guest]

stay off it

In a message dated 11/9/2009 8:59:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

ntefusa@... writes:

Ok, if you've gotten this far you want to hear the tirade I am about to

unleash.

I am really geting fed-up to my eyebrows with everyone caliming they want

recongition, treatment, acknowledgment etc. for CI/EI/TE/MCS you fill in

the diagnosis.

[Guest guest]

You are absolutely correct. If we want help, we must speak up and ask for it.

If you want people to take action on Senator Reid's proposal, you have to give

step-by-step instructions

There have been numerous messages posted here asking for support, but we rarely

see any responses saying that someone has taken action. For example, Pete sent

out a message last week with a specific/detailed message that has been sent to

elected officials and he asked everybody to send that message to their elected

officials and others. There was NO RESPONSE to his message.

________________________________

From: " ntefusa@... " <ntefusa@...>

Ok, if you've gotten this far you want to hear the tirade I am about to unleash.

[Guest guest]

Maybe I came into this midstream, but I don't understand precisely what is

happening here. I do listen to the news but have not heard anything about this

issue. I suspect news coverage varies from state to state. Could you explain

what is going on so that I know how to go about making my voice heard?

>

>

> Ok, if you've gotten this far you want to hear the tirade I am about to

unleash.

>

> I am really geting fed-up to my eyebrows with everyone caliming they want

recongition, treatment, acknowledgment etc. for CI/EI/TE/MCS you fill in the

diagnosis.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I am sorry. I missed Pete's request. I skim the board, probably like

most people do. Maybe this would help if members of are urging

others to take a specific action on something:

It is a basic rule of sales and marketing that if you want someone to do

something, you have to ask them three times within a limited time span.

Then, you have to make it as easy as possible for them to do whatever it is

that you want.

Sorry, Pete. Will you post again?

Sharon K

In a message dated 11/9/2009 2:24:59 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

brianc8452@... writes:

You are absolutely correct. If we want help, we must speak up and ask for

it. If you want people to take action on Senator Reid's proposal, you have

to give step-by-step instructions

There have been numerous messages posted here asking for support, but we

rarely see any responses saying that someone has taken action. For example,

Pete sent out a message last week with a specific/detailed message that has

been sent to elected officials and he asked everybody to send that message

to their elected officials and others. There was NO RESPONSE to his

message.

[Guest guest]

There is no amendment because there are not enough people complaining to their

representatives to warrnat him writing/introducing a bill.

I posted previously a request for people to write and send me a copy of wha

tthey wrote asking for more testing, treatments for ALL chemcially related

disorders. Not just MOLD!

It can be found in the archives of the group.

-----Original Message-----

From: <brianc8452@...>

You are absolutely correct.

[Guest guest]

To Couldcareless,

You shouldn't assume people are not writing their Congress people because you

didn't get a copy. Why are you asking for a copy?

I have been politically active for the last 20 years, have done door to work and

worked in offices as volunteer but I don't report back to you.

Thanks for suggesting we all write but there is no reason to criticize people

when you don't know what they have or have not done.

I have NOT taken done what you asked. For me, it does me no good to write my

local Congress person because they are all Republicans and I am a registered

Democrat for 20 years, and have a big 'D' after my name on residential lists. I

know as I have worked in politics enough to know they refer to these lists which

they all have. One can even Google my name from anywhere in the world and find

out I am registered Democrat, how much money I have contributed to this or that

candidate, along with my address and an arrow pointing on a map to where I live.

That's how readily availabe this information is.

Congress people are only interested in pleasing those people who MAY vote for

him, which are Independents and whatever party they are in. Some Congress

people who vote across party lines, or districts that are marginally in a

political party, may pay attention. You need to know what your audience is or

you are spinning wheels. I go across the river, 5 minutes away, into Ohio, a

swing state and have given huge amounts of time and money there. However Ohio

Congress people will not be interested in how a KY residence feels about a bill

they are voting on.

I am considering changing my registration to list myself as an Independent

hoping that that would give me a chance to be heard by a letter. However even

if I do, there is all that donation money out there, to Democrats only, so I

feel sure they will have that info also. I will write to heads of committees if

there is a reason that would matter, making a suggestion I have not heard that

has been made for example, or encouragement. If a candidate might have national

aspirations they may care what people from outside their district thinks but

usually they only care what people in their district think.

So I do plenty but I don't cc you on it, but I do encourage you to do what you

do, all your work for chemically sensitive, like yourself. You help others by

helping yourself. You don't sit idly and complain, but don't think people don't

care and aren't doing things because you didn't get a copy. There are all kinds

of way to make a change. You want to be effective and not just keep yourself

busy in a non sensible way.

>

> There is no amendment because there are not enough people complaining to their

representatives to warrnat him writing/introducing a bill.

>

> I posted previously a request for people to write and send me a copy of wha

tthey wrote asking for more testing, treatments for ALL chemcially related

disorders. Not just MOLD!

>

> It can be found in the archives of the group

[Guest guest]

Barb:

Did you READ my note? If you are politically active then you KNOW that unless

support is there, no one who will spend time to draft one etc.

I am also VERY politically active and can claim to be personal friends with some

in DC. So I know the 'games' shall we say work. Writing to a congressional rep

gets a 'generic " thanks for your opinion.

Why do I want a copy? Simple, I need letters to help get Harry to want to

address adding this to the health care bill now that it's in the hands of the

Senate.

Have you gotten this far to have someone consdering getting anything addressed?

Apparently not since this is the first time you are mentioning that you are

'active in politics'.

You are semi-correct in reference to their party/area. A bill amendment starts

in an area and has to gain support to move forward. My friend was one of the

first co-sponsors of the SNIFF bill years ago in the House and it died in

sub-committee becasue people did nto contact their local reps to garner support

for it.

I am also the big " D " but I know that there are the " R " who want to 'save' $

etc., and they have to be catered to while getting the agenda to be

viable/addressed.

So, if you are under the 'conviction' that it is only straight party that is

your perogative, but, the 'wording' is what gets things done as you very well

know.

" Nuff said "

Angel

[] Re: WARNING..on the warpath

To Couldcareless,

You shouldn't assume people are not writing their Congress people because you

didn't get a copy. Why are you asking for a copy?

[Guest guest]

Sharon:

Pete was referencing my email and I responded to the group, the email should be

posted by now.

Re: [] WARNING..on the warpath

Hi ,

I am sorry. I missed Pete's request. I skim the board, probably like

most people do.

[Guest guest]

and others,

I fully agree with your words, " If we want help, we must speak up

and ask for it. If you want people to take action on Senator

Reid's proposal, you have to give step-by-step instructions. "

Exactly! That is effective but not what I've seen lately as being

advocated. So, thank you for your words of wisdom.

Responses need to be effective. The traditional tirades have not

worked and will not work. It turns them off. They won't even

listen. Authorities must be approached in a respectful,

professional manner with clear strong positions which also connect

to their needs. Very difficult and won't always work, sometimes

takes a long time. But if you go back through the archives here

and pick out those who have made headway you will see they did so

in a certain way. Yes, some of these ended in court action, which

is by definition adversarial. But adversarial is not the same as

hostile, attacking, accusing, or personally abusive anger.

I have made many inroads in multiple places with potential and I

won't destroy my hard won efforts by joining unfocused tirades.

And I doubt if most on this list have the energy to do so. Ask

Sharon Kramer which tactics worked for her. Yes, she has been

scared and angry (justifiably so!) but her official responses,

while strong and based on that anger, have not been anger, but

smart.

Sometimes being smart means working anonymously. It isn't always

smart to tout actions on groups like this where not all the

members are friendly.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

On Mon Nov 09 09:40:50 CST 2009,

<brianc8452@...> wrote:

> You are absolutely correct. If we want help, we must speak up

> and ask for it. If you want people to take action on Senator

> Reid's proposal, you have to give step-by-step instructions

>

> There have been numerous messages posted here asking for support,

> but we rarely see any responses saying that someone has taken

> action. For example, Pete sent out a message last week with a

> specific/detailed message that has been sent to elected officials

> and he asked everybody to send that message to their elected

> officials and others. There was NO RESPONSE to his message.

>

> ________________________________

> From: " ntefusa@... " <ntefusa@...>

>

>

> Ok, if you've gotten this far you want to hear the tirade I am

> about to unleash.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Carl.

THERE is NO amendment! Thats the entire issue...no support to warrant him

getting involved. i am getting direction form his office on what needs to be

done and it was fully explained in the original email.

i know that Sharon is not going to 'eleaborate' on how she got hers done, as I

had this dicussion with her a little while ago.

Wednesday is Veterans Day...show up at the parade and meet face-face your reps

and talk to them. If you are chemcially injured the mask has a lasting impact

on them. If you just whine about your health you are right nothing is going to

be done. They understand $$$$$ impact. If you can focus on $ ipact that gets

them interested.

And I fully disagree with you on the tactics. Depending on the person you are

addressing being a wimpy, meek person will get you a 'thank you for your

comments'.

I got all my elected officials to support me in my FDAi ssue by going balls to

the wall and letting them see just how much of a stall tactic there is/was at

the FDA. They in turn got more aggressive.

This is election time and the dems are on the chopping block as everyone well

knows.

Re: [] WARNING..on the warpath

I fully agree with your words, " If we want help, we must speak up

and ask for it. If you want people to take action on Senator

Reid's proposal, you have to give step-by-step instructions. "

Exactly! That is effective but not what I've seen lately as being

advocated. So, thank you for your words of wisdom.

Responses need to be effective. The traditional tirades have not

worked and will not work. It turns them off. They won't even

listen.

[Guest guest]

I have written and called so many times every level of gov't from House of Rep.

to the White House. Maybe I will post a few responses. It is amazing the

responses I have received. It does get discouraging that we have to deal with

this and being so ill.

>

> Hi ,

>

> I am sorry. I missed Pete's request. I skim the board, probably like

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry guys, I am still not following what is occurring. Am I suppose to

be doing something? Or supporting something? Or....?

Sharon K

In a message dated 11/9/2009 4:22:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

ntefusa@... writes:

Sharon:

Pete was referencing my email and I responded to the group, the email

should be posted by now.

-----Original Message-----

From: _snk1955@..._ (mailto:snk1955@...)

_@ic_ (mailto: )

Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:30 pm

Subject: Re: [] WARNING..on the warpath

Hi ,

I am sorry. I missed Pete's request. I skim the board, probably like

most people do.

[Guest guest]

Ok not true! I have been sending emails to elected officials for at least a year

with only automated responses in return. I didn't feel like I had to announce my

actions because truthfully I don't think anyone really cares about sending

emails to politicians BECAUSE they just don't seem to have any effect!

I'd love to see a national organized movement but I'm no leader and I have no

connections so i email and hope for the best.

But we're on the right track talking about it!

>

> You are absolutely correct. If we want help, we must speak up and ask for it.

If you want people to take action on Senator Reid's proposal, you have to give

step-by-step instructions

[Guest guest]

Carl,

Thank you for your kind words indicating that I know how to get things

done, but the reality is, I am just as mad as anyone else over the deceit in

science called the " toxic mold issue " as anyone else is. What makes me even

madder is our elected officials who KNOW what is the bottle neck over this

issue, but appear to be sitting on their.....chairs....while the deceit

continues.

Every time that I think I have surely peeled back far enough to hit the

core of the rotten onion of this issue, I find there is another decaying

layer underneath made up of trusted and smiling faces.

Here is the reality from my perspective, folks: Until someone sues the US

Chamber ILR, the Manhattan Institute, VeriTox, and ACOEM for working

together to intentionally market false science to the courts for the purpose of

limiting financial liability of employers and insurers of moldy buildings,

the shenanigans will continue.

There appears to be no elected official that is willing to stand up to the

US Chamber. No attorney that is willing to take that aspect on.

That's what I think, anyway. What do you think, Sudakin? Think

that would make the deceit stop?

Sharon K

[Guest guest]

I agree with everything you said, as always. But I have a suggested addition to

your action plan. What I do, is forward all the " PRO-PLAN " emails, and

petitions, which I get from many organizations, to my Conservative relatives, in

the hope that they will understand the truth, and tell THEIR congressman and

senator, to vote for the plan. There are millions of Americans who believe

everything that they see on " Fox News " , and they are all waiting, behind their

High-Security doors, with their shotguns, for " Obama's Gestapo " to break down

the door and drag them away to concentration camps for brainwashing and

mind-reprogramming. I know that you are all laughing, but there REALLY ARE

millions of those people, in our country. AND THEY VOTE. So, I suggest that we

all become members of Obama's " thought police " , and start " re-programming " the

minds of our fellow-Americans, right now. Barb is correct in saying that

congressmen and senators, who are not YOUR OWN, will not be influenced by your

efforts. Only thir own constituent's feedback, can change their vote.

Joe

......................................

[Guest guest]

Along these lines, I think it would be a good idea for someone to set up a

website that posts all the letters that have been sent to all the

politicians, by name and by state. It not important to them what we tell them,

only

important what the public knows they have been told. Something good to

pull out at election time.

I don't want to do this, myself. Not my forte to run a website.

Sharon K

In a message dated 11/10/2009 2:43:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

josephsalowitz@... writes:

I agree with everything you said, as always. But I have a suggested

addition to your action plan. What I do, is forward all the " PRO-PLAN " emails,

and petitions,

[Guest guest]

I have made myself get SICK ffrom attending functions where my officials were.

The MERE sight of my mask gets me to them and are shocked...just by their

automatic facial expressions. Now they send people to me who have chemically

related issues as they see its a problem.

The AUTOMATIC responses are standard and thats why you need to get in their

faces and talk to the 'aide' who handles the issues. The aides in the DC office

seem to be the ones who get everything so thats where thingshave to go.

REGARDING mailing, with the anthrax scare all mail is tested and even Fed Exing

is stalled. It took an OVERNIGHT fed ex package THREE weeks to get to the Legal

Counsel for one of the committees in DC! Now, they have me do it via email even

with all the voluminous pdf files thats how they get it in a reasonable amount

of time.

[] Re: WARNING..on the warpath

I have written and called so many times every level of gov't from House of Rep.

to the White House. Maybe I will post a few responses. It is amazing the

responses I have received. It does get discouraging that we have to deal with

this and being so ill.

[Guest guest]

Right. You know, guys, as much as we would like this problem solved

yesterday, we do need to realize how far we have come to changing this issue.

KC, , Ginny, Sue, and several others on this board who have been

in this issue will tell you things are MUCH better today than they were even

three years ago.

It used to be that virtually EVERYONE thought that if you were claiming

illness from mold that you were nuts or a liar. But with the WSJ article,

several publications in the JACI and the IJOEH and virtually everyone who

knows anything about this issue knowing what ACOEM and the Chamber did to deny

causation of illness, it is more acceptable knowledge that mold makes ya

sick.

a, and the other victories acknowledging illness in court have

helped, too.

The Federal CIAQ is forming a multi-agency committee to look at this issue

comprehensively in DC. This is because of the GAO report stipulating

such. WE made that happen. Sickbuildings, School Mold Help, FDRC, POA and

several others made that happen.

But the area that is most needed, I think, is acknowledgment of the

successful treatments of some of our physicians and the deceit of the defensors

in the courtroom needs to go.

So..while our elected officials have been disappointing at shutting down

the deceit, they have heard us in DC. And many ARE working to change the

issue within government.

Carl, you should tell them about the coordinated efforts you see occurring

over this issue.

In a message dated 11/10/2009 7:43:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

toxicologist1@... writes:

Sharon: take away their money bags they use for re-election. Then watch

them squirm.

Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist/Toxicologist/<WBToxicologist/<WBToxi

www.drthrasher.www

_toxicologist1@toxicol_ (mailto:toxicologist1@...)

Off: 916-745-4703

Cell: 575-937-1150

L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC

Trauma Specialist

_sandracrawley@sandrac_ (mailto:sandracrawley@...)

916-745-4703 - Off

775-309-3994 - Cell

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[Guest guest]

Angel, that's great that you got their email address. As you know, if you don't

have an email address, the only way to send documents is by FAX or snail mail.

And FAX isn't good if you have a lot of pages to send. I have sent some

information to my senators, but I never heard back so I don't know if they

received it.

________________________________

From: " ntefusa@... " <ntefusa@...>

Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 2:13:07 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: WARNING..on the warpath

I have made myself get SICK ffrom attending functions where my officials were.

The MERE sight of my mask gets me to them and are shocked...just by their

automatic facial expressions. Now they send people to me who have chemically

related issues as they see its a problem.

The AUTOMATIC responses are standard and thats why you need to get in their

faces and talk to the 'aide' who handles the issues. The aides in the DC office

seem to be the ones who get everything so thats where thingshave to go.

REGARDING mailing, with the anthrax scare all mail is tested and even Fed Exing

is stalled. It took an OVERNIGHT fed ex package THREE weeks to get to the Legal

Counsel for one of the committees in DC! Now, they have me do it via email even

with all the voluminous pdf files thats how they get it in a reasonable amount

of time.

[] Re: WARNING..on the warpath

I have written and called so many times every level of gov't from House of Rep.

to the White House. Maybe I will post a few responses. It is amazing the

responses I have received. It does get discouraging that we have to deal with

this and being so ill.

[Guest guest]

Sharon: take away their money bags they use for re-election. Then watch them

squirm.

Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

www.drthrasher.org

toxicologist1@...

Off: 916-745-4703

Cell: 575-937-1150

L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC

Trauma Specialist

sandracrawley@...

916-745-4703 - Off

775-309-3994 - Cell

This message and any attachments forwarded with it is to be considered

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Thank you in advance for your compliance.

[Guest guest]

I just checked out Sen. Reid's site, & he says " he can only respond to those who

are Nevadan's , or those who have connections with the state. "   HOW is he going

to help the rest of us, then, gang?

V.

From: surellabaer <surellabaer@...>

Subject: [] Re: WARNING..on the warpath

Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 2:26 PM

 

Ok not true! I have been sending emails to elected officials for at least a year

with only automated responses in return. I didn't feel like I had to announce my

actions because truthfully I don't think anyone really cares about sending

emails to politicians BECAUSE they just don't seem to have any effect!

I'd love to see a national organized movement but I'm no leader and I have no

connections so i email and hope for the best.

But we're on the right track talking about it!

>

> You are absolutely correct. If we want help, we must speak up and ask for it.

If you want people to take action on Senator Reid's proposal, you have to give

step-by-step instructions

[Guest guest]

Ok, there seems to be way too much confrusion on this issue.

1. It is not isolated to Nevadans.

2. Any tor can intriduce legislation

3. To get something for them to want to persue they need SUPPORT from other

tors. Thats where residents in OTHER states come into play.

4. WHAT DO YOU GET OUT OF IT? What you have WONDERFUL medical care? You have

labs that are paid for by insurance?

5. People on this group have known me for years, especially KC, I do NOT go to

the outside (others) for a personal agenda.

Lemme put it htis way. You EITHER are on board for medical care of EVERYONE or

you can sit and stew over being sick!

I can call most CI doctors and get advise from them personally. Apparently,

most on this group can't because I see all the health questions that signify

they are getting nothing ...most of the time!

If you want to join send me a direct email. I have bigger feds to fry........

[] Re: WARNING..on the warpath

Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 2:26 PM

Ok not true! I have been sending emails to elected officials for at least a year

with only automated responses in return. I didn't feel like I had to announce my

actions because truthfully I don't think anyone really cares about sending

emails to politicians BECAUSE they just don't seem to have any effect!

I'd love to see a national organized movement but I'm no leader and I have no

connections so i email and hope for the best.

But we're on the right track talking about it!

>

> You are absolutely correct. If we want help, we must speak up and ask for it.

If you want people to take action on Senator Reid's proposal, you have to give

step-by-step instructions

[Guest guest]

Sharon and group,

Here is what I accidently sent only to you rather than the group. I

was at the airport waiting for my flight and was distracted by the

announcements. Also, being gone 14 of the last 17 days in three

different cities doesn't help!

* Sharon,

* Being a professional bitch isn't the same as spewing angry

diatribes with no specific goal or purpose other than

rambling accusations of conspiracy. It's the latter I wanted

to discourage.

* It's hard to make these distinctions in an email.

And to the other person, I forget who and it's too difficult to sort

through several hundred backlogged e-mails so forgive me, who

equated the lack of angry diatribes with being meek and wimpy I

say there is a huge range of responses between these two

extremes.

We don't always have to score a knock-out punch to succeed.

Sometimes a glancing blow is sufficient. Sometimes a counter

action. Or a suggestion which gives them what they want without

realizing some of the other implications. The pros who Sharon

exposes are the real experts at this. We can learn from them.

We each have to find our own way with what gets results for us

and when to change tactics. I use a range from loud to quiet. It

depends on the issue and who I'm dealing with. That said, I'll

send another e-mail shortly to respond to Sharon's suggestion

about coordination efforts I've seen among government agencies,

non-profits and medical associations.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

Carl,

Thank you for your kind words indicating that I know how to get things

done, but the reality is, I am just as mad as anyone else over the deceit in

science called the " toxic mold issue " as anyone else is. What makes me

even madder is our elected officials who KNOW what is the bottle neck

over this issue, but appear to be sitting on their.....chairs....while the

deceit continues.

Every time that I think I have surely peeled back far enough to hit the

core of the rotten onion of this issue, I find there is another decaying

layer underneath made up of trusted and smiling faces.

Here is the reality from my perspective, folks: Until someone sues the US

Chamber ILR, the Manhattan Institute, VeriTox, and ACOEM for

working together to intentionally market false science to the courts for

the purpose of limiting financial liability of employers and insurers of

moldy buildings, the shenanigans will continue.

There appears to be no elected official that is willing to stand up to the

US Chamber. No attorney that is willing to take that aspect on.

That's what I think, anyway. What do you think, Sudakin? Think

that would make the deceit stop?

Sharon K

[Guest guest]

So simple, , that it could work. They are expecting to be

brainwashed and consider it to be so easily effective so why

disappoint them?

* So, I suggest that we all become members of Obama's

" thought police " , and start " re-programming " the minds of

our fellow-Americans, right now.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

I agree with everything you said, as always. But I have a suggested

addition to your action plan. What I do, is forward all the " PRO-PLAN "

emails, and petitions, which I get from many organizations, to my

Conservative relatives, in the hope that they will understand the truth,

and tell THEIR congressman and senator, to vote for the plan. There are

millions of Americans who believe everything that they see on " Fox

News " , and they are all waiting, behind their High-Security doors, with

their shotguns, for " Obama's Gestapo " to break down the door and drag

them away to concentration camps for brainwashing and mind-

reprogramming. I know that you are all laughing, but there REALLY

ARE millions of those people, in our country. AND THEY VOTE. So, I

suggest that we all become members of Obama's " thought police " , and

start " re-programming " the minds of our fellow-Americans, right now.

Barb is correct in saying that congressmen and senators, who are not

YOUR OW

Joe

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[Guest guest]

Excellent idea, Sharon!

I'm trying to get my new Web site up and running - if I can ever

stop traveling - and can do this if nobody else beats me to it. Any

takers?

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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Along these lines, I think it would be a good idea for someone to set up a

website that posts all the letters that have been sent to all the

politicians, by name and by state. It not important to them what we tell

them, only

important what the public knows they have been told. Something good to

pull out at election time.

I don't want to do this, myself. Not my forte to run a website.

Sharon K

In a message dated 11/10/2009 2:43:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

josephsalowitz@... writes:

I agree with everything you said, as always. But I have a suggested

addition to your action plan. What I do, is forward all the " PRO-PLAN "

emails,

and petitions,

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