Re: The Diary of a Subversive Pharma Plant

[Guest guest]

hi.. I want to go to the rally.. but do not agree with the green the vaccine theme. I would like it to be a rally to stop the lies from the pharms and from the government. I wanted the rally to demand compensation and no look back period. I see there are other items on the rally agenda to what I have said. So..if I wear a T shirt .. CDC poisoning our kids.. I will have a bunch of dirty looks? LiaNeed a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos.

[Guest guest]

It's too damned bad that some feel that they have to circle the

wagons so hard against the accusation from the other side that our

movement is trying to " do away with vaccines " . That's just

reactionary.

There are always going to be people who want vaccinations and, for

them, the shots should be made safer. Fine. But part of this movement

will ALWAYS be preserving the exemptions and making philisophical

exemptions universally available, if not doing away with mandates

altogether and making it an " opt in " situation.

>

> I posted my t-shirt ideas on the DC Rally Yahoo Group and

> stated I would not wear a " Green our Vaccines " t-shirt. Yikes, it

is

> now a firestorm on the list.

>

> Somehow all of this has turned into a screaming match, that somehow

> anyone who wants to do away with All vaccines and not tow-the-line

> of the intended message of the rally is being subversive. No

matter

> how much we state we are not there to disrupt, just didn't want to

> wear the stupid t-shirt.

>

> Now some guy has basically stated that I am a " plant " from the

> pharmaceutical companies to disrupt and ruin the rally and play

into

> the enemies hands. Wow. He obviously knows absolutely nothing

> about me. I'm leaving that group or it would be a first for me, I

> would be kicked off the list. Some of the posts on there are

> infuriating, I need a barf bag. He even went so far as to ask

> Ackerman how she plans to " handle these People " and keep us from

> attending the rally.

>

> So, just a warning that if you are truly anti-vaccine do not join

> that group, just go to the rally and be counted no matter what you

> believe, it is sending us in the right direction. And wear what

you

> want and put what you want on your signs. The leadership of TACA

is

> certainly not the ones trying to control anyone nor speak for all

of

> us. They seem to be saying all are welcome. The numbers say it

all.

> Kendra

>

[Guest guest]

OMG Kendra, Didn't McCarthy say she would not vaccinate another

child if she had one?? We should try and find the transcript and post

it. There will never be a safe vaccine!

Peggy

>

> I posted my t-shirt ideas on the DC Rally Yahoo Group and

> stated I would not wear a " Green our Vaccines " t-shirt. Yikes, it

is

> now a firestorm on the list.

>

> Somehow all of this has turned into a screaming match, that somehow

> anyone who wants to do away with All vaccines and not tow-the-line

> of the intended message of the rally is being subversive. No

matter

> how much we state we are not there to disrupt, just didn't want to

> wear the stupid t-shirt.

>

> Now some guy has basically stated that I am a " plant " from the

> pharmaceutical companies to disrupt and ruin the rally and play

into

> the enemies hands. Wow. He obviously knows absolutely nothing

> about me. I'm leaving that group or it would be a first for me, I

> would be kicked off the list. Some of the posts on there are

> infuriating, I need a barf bag. He even went so far as to ask

> Ackerman how she plans to " handle these People " and keep us from

> attending the rally.

>

> So, just a warning that if you are truly anti-vaccine do not join

> that group, just go to the rally and be counted no matter what you

> believe, it is sending us in the right direction. And wear what

you

> want and put what you want on your signs. The leadership of TACA

is

> certainly not the ones trying to control anyone nor speak for all

of

> us. They seem to be saying all are welcome. The numbers say it

all.

> Kendra

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry but some on that list are really annoying. I stay away from

it now. I feel bad for the moderators.

>

> I posted my t-shirt ideas on the DC Rally Yahoo Group and

> stated I would not wear a " Green our Vaccines " t-shirt. Yikes, it is

> now a firestorm on the list.

>

> Somehow all of this has turned into a screaming match, that somehow

> anyone who wants to do away with All vaccines and not tow-the-line

> of the intended message of the rally is being subversive. No matter

> how much we state we are not there to disrupt, just didn't want to

> wear the stupid t-shirt.

>

> Now some guy has basically stated that I am a " plant " from the

> pharmaceutical companies to disrupt and ruin the rally and play into

> the enemies hands. Wow. He obviously knows absolutely nothing

> about me. I'm leaving that group or it would be a first for me, I

> would be kicked off the list. Some of the posts on there are

> infuriating, I need a barf bag. He even went so far as to ask

> Ackerman how she plans to " handle these People " and keep us from

> attending the rally.

>

> So, just a warning that if you are truly anti-vaccine do not join

> that group, just go to the rally and be counted no matter what you

> believe, it is sending us in the right direction. And wear what you

> want and put what you want on your signs. The leadership of TACA is

> certainly not the ones trying to control anyone nor speak for all of

> us. They seem to be saying all are welcome. The numbers say it all.

> Kendra

>

[Guest guest]

I'm against vaccines, but I feel that " greening our vaccines " is a

step in the right direction. Because I realized that more people will

be open to hearing the message " green our vaccines " rather than " no

more vaccines " . In the beginning I couldn't imagine scrapping

vaccines altogether, but in time I transformed. I think the public

needs to digest this one bite at a time.

[Guest guest]

I totally agree with you. I am for GET RID OF VACCINES but I know it

would be difficult to do this.

angndon1994 wrote:

I'm against vaccines, but I feel that "greening our vaccines" is a

step in the right direction. Because I realized that more people will

be open to hearing the message "green our vaccines" rather than "no

more vaccines". In the beginning I couldn't imagine scrapping

vaccines altogether, but in time I transformed. I think the public

needs to digest this one bite at a time.

[Guest guest]

And GET RID OF VACCINES would certainly take much much longer. But in

the meantime if we green them, by getting rid of the toxins and

cutting back on the vaccines given, AT LEAST maybe we can save some kids.

> >

> > I'm against vaccines, but I feel that " greening our vaccines " is a

> > step in the right direction. Because I realized that more people will

> > be open to hearing the message " green our vaccines " rather than " no

> > more vaccines " . In the beginning I couldn't imagine scrapping

> > vaccines altogether, but in time I transformed. I think the public

> > needs to digest this one bite at a time.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kendra,

" Now some guy has basically stated that I am a " plant " from the

pharmaceutical companies to disrupt and ruin the rally and play into

the enemies hands. "

It seems more logical that " AL " is the plant.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Greening of the vaccines is only half of the issue, people need to wake

up and see that there is no such thing as a safe vaccine, and that

having the basic childhood diseases not only strengthens the immune

system but is a part of normal human development.

People who don't see this and are stuck in the " green our vaccines "

ideology are just as bad as those who support big pharma IMO.

Kendra Pettengill wrote:

>

> I posted my t-shirt ideas on the DC Rally Yahoo Group and

> stated I would not wear a " Green our Vaccines " t-shirt. Yikes, it is

> now a firestorm on the list.

>

> Somehow all of this has turned into a screaming match, that somehow

> anyone who wants to do away with All vaccines and not tow-the-line

> of the intended message of the rally is being subversive. No matter

> how much we state we are not there to disrupt, just didn't want to

> wear the stupid t-shirt.

>

> Now some guy has basically stated that I am a " plant " from the

> pharmaceutical companies to disrupt and ruin the rally and play into

> the enemies hands. Wow. He obviously knows absolutely nothing

> about me. I'm leaving that group or it would be a first for me, I

> would be kicked off the list. Some of the posts on there are

> infuriating, I need a barf bag. He even went so far as to ask

> Ackerman how she plans to " handle these People " and keep us from

> attending the rally.

>

> So, just a warning that if you are truly anti-vaccine do not join

> that group, just go to the rally and be counted no matter what you

> believe, it is sending us in the right direction. And wear what you

> want and put what you want on your signs. The leadership of TACA is

> certainly not the ones trying to control anyone nor speak for all of

> us. They seem to be saying all are welcome. The numbers say it all.

> Kendra

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with you that there will never likely be a "safe" vaccine, but the only good thing I see about talking about "safer" vaccines, is that this makes it more "palatable" for some and more likely that this news gets out into the mainstream. People are more comfortable dealing with "too much, too soon", rather than with "none at all". It gets the vaccine issue a foot in the door, so to speak, into the mainstream media, and gets the discussion going, even among people who may not otherwise have been interested or have had any knowledge about this issue. Where it will go from there, who knows? Some folks, after they do more research on the topic may also come to the conclusion that vaccines just aren't worth it. Still, there's no excuse for people coming down hard on someone who may be a bit more "radical", especially if they are part of a like-minded group for the most part. Any of us who have been here for some time, know

that Kendra is the furthest thing we can imagine from a "pharma plant". I haven't (yet) visited the group Kendra was referring to, but I would like to add something here about groups/blogs in general (meaning the ones referring to autism/vaccine issues). Some of the sites have good postings, but it is frustrating to keep reading drivel written by people who do not know what they are talking about and have not researched the issues involved. Tara's blog at NYT (re Hannah Poling) had over 400 comments when I checked it out yesterday, but where is all that going? What difference does any of our banter on these blogs make in the long run? I cannot help but wonder. In my own little corner of the world, I had a colleague who recently gave me the info about McCarthy appearing on "The Hour" because she knew I was interested in vaccine and autism issues. She happened to see the show when it aired, and I told her that I managed

to be present for the taping because a listmate here made the info available (for getting free tickets). Another colleague told me about some info she heard about autism numbers increasing in our school board. They, too, are wondering what is going on, but there has not been much in our mainstream news (in Canada) that may point the finger at vaccines as being part of the problem. Hopefully, the "Green Our Vaccines" campaign will get the ball rolling and get this info to more people, to get them thinking and talking about vaccine safety issues. Whether there is such a thing as "safe vaccines" will need to follow after that initial discussion. Some of us who are more against any vaccines here, have been reading up on associated problems and issues for several years. We can't expect others to come to the same conclusion without doing some of the necessary legwork/research for themselves. I am sure that many of you have spent countless

hours here, doing just that (I know I have). Aasa Peggy Rose wrote: OMG Kendra, Didn't McCarthy say she would not vaccinate another child if she had one?? We should try and find the transcript and post it. There will never be a safe vaccine!Peggy>> I posted my t-shirt ideas on the DC Rally Yahoo

Group and > stated I would not wear a "Green our Vaccines" t-shirt. Yikes, it is > now a firestorm on the list. > > Somehow all of this has turned into a screaming match, that somehow > anyone who wants to do away with All vaccines and not tow-the-line > of the intended message of the rally is being subversive. No matter > how much we state we are not there to disrupt, just didn't want to > wear the stupid t-shirt. > > Now some guy has basically stated that I am a "plant" from the > pharmaceutical companies to disrupt and ruin the rally and play into > the enemies hands. Wow. He obviously knows absolutely nothing > about me. I'm leaving that group or it would be a first for me, I > would be kicked off the list. Some of the posts on there are > infuriating, I need a barf bag. He even went so far as to ask > Ackerman how she plans to "handle these

People" and keep us from > attending the rally.> > So, just a warning that if you are truly anti-vaccine do not join > that group, just go to the rally and be counted no matter what you > believe, it is sending us in the right direction. And wear what you > want and put what you want on your signs. The leadership of TACA is > certainly not the ones trying to control anyone nor speak for all of > us. They seem to be saying all are welcome. The numbers say it all.> Kendra>

[Guest guest]

I absolutely agree with you 100% that no vaccines are safe. They are

responsible for most illnesses affecting this generation. But it took

me a few years to get to that point and I've been at this point for 5

years now.

But I would NEVER EVER EVER say someone who isn't at that point yet

is as bad as those who support big pharma...NEVER!!!

HOW DARE YOU.

> People who don't see this and are stuck in the " green our vaccines "

> ideology are just as bad as those who support big pharma IMO.

[Guest guest]

>

> Greening of the vaccines is only half of the issue, people need to

wake

> up and see that there is no such thing as a safe vaccine, and that

> having the basic childhood diseases not only strengthens the immune

> system but is a part of normal human development.

>

> People who don't see this and are stuck in the " green our vaccines "

> ideology are just as bad as those who support big pharma IMO.

You obviously posted this remark to get a response from someone. Here's

mine:

Fuck off!

And I'm big enough to leave my name.

Charlie

[Guest guest]

I am not trying to upset anyone this is my opinion, I think that

" greening vaccines " is only half the issue, and I feel that it is an

idea that is going to continue to allow big pharma to use vaccines to

harm / poison humanity.

In the end the harm that is done is 100% unacceptable.

People can disagree (or agree) with me all that they want I really don't

care, the thing is I do expect people who disagree with me to act like

rational adults. I mean I haven't told you to ---- off have I?

Charlie Hoover wrote:

>

>

> >

> > Greening of the vaccines is only half of the issue, people need to

> wake

> > up and see that there is no such thing as a safe vaccine, and that

> > having the basic childhood diseases not only strengthens the immune

> > system but is a part of normal human development.

> >

> > People who don't see this and are stuck in the " green our vaccines "

> > ideology are just as bad as those who support big pharma IMO.

>

> You obviously posted this remark to get a response from someone. Here's

> mine:

>

> Fuck off!

>

> And I'm big enough to leave my name.

>

> Charlie

>

>

[Guest guest]

Do you have children? Your profiles say that you don't. While

certainly appreciate your effort to educate people about vaccines.

You must understand how difficult it is for a new parent to accept not

vaccinating their child, they simply won't listen. But they will

listen to me when I mention delaying vaccines, single dose vials etc.

And you know what thru the years, a few who have taken that advice

ended up not vaccinating at all. But they had to come to this

conclusion themselves, it's not something that can be forced upon them.

> > >

> > > Greening of the vaccines is only half of the issue, people need to

> > wake

> > > up and see that there is no such thing as a safe vaccine, and that

> > > having the basic childhood diseases not only strengthens the immune

> > > system but is a part of normal human development.

> > >

> > > People who don't see this and are stuck in the " green our vaccines "

> > > ideology are just as bad as those who support big pharma IMO.

> >

> > You obviously posted this remark to get a response from someone.

Here's

> > mine:

> >

> > Fuck off!

> >

> > And I'm big enough to leave my name.

> >

> > Charlie

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, Bravo!! That's what I was trying to convey in my previous message, that parents do need to come to the conclusion that vaccines are useless and harmful, on their own, through their own thinking and research, before they make any major changes to their children's schedules. We can only talk about our own experiences, and perhaps point them towards pertinent research. It took me at least 3-4 years to get to my own current opinions about vaccines. I arrived where I am today, not because anyone rammed this stuff down my throat, but because I searched out relevant material on my own. If we can at least slow the process down, of too many vaccines at once, then we are still beginning to make a difference. And I do believe that people are slowly beginning to take notice, even if they don't "live" on this list group Aasaangndon1994

wrote: Do you have children? Your profiles say that you don't. Whilecertainly appreciate your effort to educate people about vaccines. You must understand how difficult it is for a new parent to accept notvaccinating their child, they simply won't listen. But they willlisten to me when I mention delaying vaccines, single dose vials etc.And you know what thru the years, a few who have taken that adviceended up not vaccinating at all. But they had to come to thisconclusion themselves, it's not

something that can be forced upon them.> > >> > > Greening of the vaccines is only half of the issue, people need to> > wake> > > up and see that there is no such thing as a safe vaccine, and that> > > having the basic childhood diseases not only strengthens the immune> > > system but is a part of normal human development.> > >> > > People who don't see this and are stuck in the "green our vaccines"> > > ideology are just as bad as those who support big pharma IMO.> >> > You obviously posted this remark to get a response from someone.Here's> > mine:> >> > Fuck off!> >> > And I'm big enough to leave my name.> >> > Charlie> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Why does it matter if I have kids or not? The vaccine issue is something

that should concern every human being on the planet. Children are not

the only ones be being pushed into vaccines, and I get beyond angry when

people try and paint this an issue that only " parents " should care about.

While I agree with much of what you say morally, I can not ever mention

slow vaxing because I do feel injecting any kind of vaccine into a child

is not only child abuse, it is a human rights violation.

Please don't take offense to my opinion, but I will not accept the

excuse just because a person is a parent they have the rights to do

unhealthy life altering things to the bodies of their children.

Now if you must know a bit about me:

I am the survivor of multiple vaccines injuries, I am healthy now but

only by the grace of God, and through in my opinion damn good genetics.

Organic real food, and the proper use of supplements has helped as well.

I spend most of my time online trying to get the word out about vaccine

dangers, and I am a filmmaker, web designer, and a college student.

I am also one of the toughest people you will ever meet, and I will bend

over backward to help anyone in need, but I am not one who sugar coats

an opinion, nor do I lie about how I feel.

angndon1994 wrote:

>

> Do you have children? Your profiles say that you don't. While

> certainly appreciate your effort to educate people about vaccines.

> You must understand how difficult it is for a new parent to accept not

> vaccinating their child, they simply won't listen. But they will

> listen to me when I mention delaying vaccines, single dose vials etc.

> And you know what thru the years, a few who have taken that advice

> ended up not vaccinating at all. But they had to come to this

> conclusion themselves, it's not something that can be forced upon them.

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Greening of the vaccines is only half of the issue, people need to

> > > wake

> > > > up and see that there is no such thing as a safe vaccine, and that

> > > > having the basic childhood diseases not only strengthens the immune

> > > > system but is a part of normal human development.

> > > >

> > > > People who don't see this and are stuck in the " green our vaccines "

> > > > ideology are just as bad as those who support big pharma IMO.

> > >

> > > You obviously posted this remark to get a response from someone.

> Here's

> > > mine:

> > >

> > > Fuck off!

> > >

> > > And I'm big enough to leave my name.

> > >

> > > Charlie

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Here is the funny part. I agree that " Green the vacines " is more

palatable to the general populace and that is the 'message'

and TACA have chosen. I think the approach is ingenious and fits

right into the times of global warming and greening everything.

Right now it has an almost welcome and friendly feel to it. It will

be majorly acceptable and eye opening to many that would not have

listened before. I also know many people who were open to what I

had to say and decided to dealy or space out vaccines and then ended

up never ever vaccinating. Their kids were too healthy too

amazing. They had other kids who were vaccinated fully and you

didn't have to point out the differences.

I agree also that NOW is the time to go to Washington. Some are

predicting up to 10,000 people. That sure as hell will get the

attention of a lot of people and with a message that doesn't make

them run for the hills in fright, it is vague, open to

interpretation and diaglogue. It is the right message at the right

moment with the right momentum.

Having said all that, the bottom line is and was, I simply feel

uncomfortable wearing a shirt that I personally do not believe in.

That was my statement. I will design my own shirt and it will not

fall into the enemies hands. Some of these people are dilusioary if

they think they are seen as any more valid or mainstream than anti-

vaccine people, in fact whether they are or not they are also

labeled as anti-vaccine by the enemy. If I didn't think this rally

could have a huge impact I simply wouldn't be going. I think green

the vaccines ultimately leads to NO vaccines but agreed it must be

done in steps.

We could hopefully all agree that the goal is to STOP damaging

children whether that will take greening or incinerating vaccines,

that is still the ultimate goal.

What I resent is individuals making rules for something they have no

right to, insinuating the worst of people they know nothing about,

and telling ANY PARENT OF AN AUTISTIC CHILD TO LOCKSTEP AND MARCH,

DO AS YOU ARE TOLD, WEAR THE APPROVED ONLY T-SHIRT OR YOU ARE

SOMEHOW WORKING FOR THE ENEMY. Or the twit who posted saying

and Jim are the stars we are the stagehands and stage props... " Just

be a tree " . I'm no tree honey, I am a flaming F & %^ing torch but I

am not a tree. I personally think would be mortified to hear

that. owes her sons recovery to many of the " trees and

stagehands " that are just suppose to prop her up. Bull, I have

heard try to keep the focus on the thousands of affected, the

children. is the messenger but she knows damn good and well

she is not the message, the children are, now and in the future.

I told them I don't plan on making a scene, getting arrested, or any

other radical act. I will have my daughter with me for heavens

sake. We will simply be two more individuals in a sea of humanity,

wearing green, but with our own messages.

When people tell TACA " what are you going to do to stop these people

from marching next to us " . Pllleeeaaasssseeee!! Blink Blink. Grow

up. Maybe you can get vaccinated to be protected from us anti-

vacciners, but it will not stop us from attending the rally, even

though we may not be there to get our message out, but evenutally we

will and are.

The point is there was no issue here. You are right Al is probably

the pharma whore. He is the one fomenting dissent and discord. It

is interesting that TACA isn't uninviting anyone....because they too

know the real truth. I left the group, but am still considering

going back for a dramatic flameout.

Kendra

[Guest guest]

I couldn't wear one of those Tshirts even if I wanted to. Unless they are 100% organic cotton and are painted with veggetable-based water colors, I will have a migraine. The fabric paint is oil-based (petroleum). I won't be getting too close to anyone wearing them either. Lenny - I was looking forward to a hug. I wonder if I can have my own shirt made that is green. They were probably wanting everyone to look green from an arial perspective (tv cameras). The Diary of a Subversive Pharma Plant

I posted my t-shirt ideas on the DC Rally Yahoo Group and

stated I would not wear a "Green our Vaccines" t-shirt. Yikes, it is

now a firestorm on the list.

Somehow all of this has turned into a screaming match, that somehow

anyone who wants to do away with All vaccines and not tow-the-line

of the intended message of the rally is being subversive. No matter

how much we state we are not there to disrupt, just didn't want to

wear the stupid t-shirt.

Now some guy has basically stated that I am a "plant" from the

pharmaceutical companies to disrupt and ruin the rally and play into

the enemies hands. Wow. He obviously knows absolutely nothing

about me. I'm leaving that group or it would be a first for me, I

would be kicked off the list. Some of the posts on there are

infuriating, I need a barf bag. He even went so far as to ask

Ackerman how she plans to "handle these People" and keep us from

attending the rally.

So, just a warning that if you are truly anti-vaccine do not join

that group, just go to the rally and be counted no matter what you

believe, it is sending us in the right direction. And wear what you

want and put what you want on your signs. The leadership of TACA is

certainly not the ones trying to control anyone nor speak for all of

us. They seem to be saying all are welcome. The numbers say it all.

Kendra

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[Guest guest]

Maybe Lia,

But there are hundreds of us that will proudly march beside you.

Kendra

>

> hi.. I want to go to the rally.. but do not agree with the green

the vaccine

> theme. I would like it to be a rally to stop the lies from the

pharms and

> from the government. I wanted the rally to demand compensation and

no look back

> period. I see there are other items on the rally agenda to what I

have said.

> So..if I wear a T shirt .. CDC poisoning our kids.. I will have a

bunch of

> dirty looks? Lia

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I respect your "opinion" and wish I had listened better to my own body decades ago, when I received several vaccines before heading off to Peru and suffered a variety of autoimmune problems shortly thereafter. I did not have any children at the time, but also noticed that my body was running amok, and could not deal with usual stressors or conditions soon after I had received several vaccines. At the time, I thought the polluted air in my place of work (a printing firm with next to no ventilation) was responsible for my problems. I did not even begin to make the vaccine connections until many years later, after I noticed some of my own kids experiencing adverse effects after receiving vaccines (effects like fever, diarrhea, hypotonia, convulsions/seizures, etc.). Aasa forcedanarchy wrote: Why does it matter if I have kids or not? The vaccine issue is something that should concern every human being on the planet. Children are not the only ones be being pushed into vaccines, and I get beyond angry when people try and paint this an issue that only "parents" should care about.While I agree with much of what you say morally, I can not ever mention slow vaxing because I do feel injecting any kind of vaccine into a child is not only child abuse, it is a human rights violation.Please don't take offense to my opinion, but I will not accept the excuse just because a

person is a parent they have the rights to do unhealthy life altering things to the bodies of their children. Now if you must know a bit about me:I am the survivor of multiple vaccines injuries, I am healthy now but only by the grace of God, and through in my opinion damn good genetics. Organic real food, and the proper use of supplements has helped as well.I spend most of my time online trying to get the word out about vaccine dangers, and I am a filmmaker, web designer, and a college student.I am also one of the toughest people you will ever meet, and I will bend over backward to help anyone in need, but I am not one who sugar coats an opinion, nor do I lie about how I feel.angndon1994 wrote:>> Do you have children? Your profiles say that you don't. While> certainly appreciate your effort to educate people about vaccines.> You must understand how difficult it is for a new parent

to accept not> vaccinating their child, they simply won't listen. But they will> listen to me when I mention delaying vaccines, single dose vials etc.> And you know what thru the years, a few who have taken that advice> ended up not vaccinating at all. But they had to come to this> conclusion themselves, it's not something that can be forced upon them.>> >> > > > >> > > > Greening of the vaccines is only half of the issue, people need to> > > wake> > > > up and see that there is no such thing as a safe vaccine, and that> > > > having the basic childhood diseases not only strengthens the immune> > > > system but is a part of

normal human development.> > > >> > > > People who don't see this and are stuck in the "green our vaccines"> > > > ideology are just as bad as those who support big pharma IMO.> > >> > > You obviously posted this remark to get a response from someone.> Here's> > > mine:> > >> > > Fuck off!> > >> > > And I'm big enough to leave my name.> > >> > > Charlie> > >> > >> >>>

[Guest guest]

Kendra, I love your way of thinking outside of the box, and you are bang on! Please send us pictures of you (and your daughter) wearing your own designed T-shirts at this rally. Thumbs up to you!! I hope that all goes well there, Aasa Kendra Pettengill wrote: Here is the funny part. I agree that "Green the vacines" is more palatable to the general populace and that is the 'message' and TACA have chosen. I think the

approach is ingenious and fits right into the times of global warming and greening everything. Right now it has an almost welcome and friendly feel to it. It will be majorly acceptable and eye opening to many that would not have listened before. I also know many people who were open to what I had to say and decided to dealy or space out vaccines and then ended up never ever vaccinating. Their kids were too healthy too amazing. They had other kids who were vaccinated fully and you didn't have to point out the differences.I agree also that NOW is the time to go to Washington. Some are predicting up to 10,000 people. That sure as hell will get the attention of a lot of people and with a message that doesn't make them run for the hills in fright, it is vague, open to interpretation and diaglogue. It is the right message at the right moment with the right momentum.Having said all that, the bottom line is and was, I

simply feel uncomfortable wearing a shirt that I personally do not believe in. That was my statement. I will design my own shirt and it will not fall into the enemies hands. Some of these people are dilusioary if they think they are seen as any more valid or mainstream than anti-vaccine people, in fact whether they are or not they are also labeled as anti-vaccine by the enemy. If I didn't think this rally could have a huge impact I simply wouldn't be going. I think green the vaccines ultimately leads to NO vaccines but agreed it must be done in steps. We could hopefully all agree that the goal is to STOP damaging children whether that will take greening or incinerating vaccines, that is still the ultimate goal.What I resent is individuals making rules for something they have no right to, insinuating the worst of people they know nothing about, and telling ANY PARENT OF AN AUTISTIC CHILD TO LOCKSTEP AND MARCH,

DO AS YOU ARE TOLD, WEAR THE APPROVED ONLY T-SHIRT OR YOU ARE SOMEHOW WORKING FOR THE ENEMY. Or the twit who posted saying and Jim are the stars we are the stagehands and stage props..."Just be a tree". I'm no tree honey, I am a flaming F & %^ing torch but I am not a tree. I personally think would be mortified to hear that. owes her sons recovery to many of the "trees and stagehands" that are just suppose to prop her up. Bull, I have heard try to keep the focus on the thousands of affected, the children. is the messenger but she knows damn good and well she is not the message, the children are, now and in the future. I told them I don't plan on making a scene, getting arrested, or any other radical act. I will have my daughter with me for heavens sake. We will simply be two more individuals in a sea of humanity, wearing green, but with our own messages. When people tell TACA

"what are you going to do to stop these people from marching next to us". Pllleeeaaasssseeee!! Blink Blink. Grow up. Maybe you can get vaccinated to be protected from us anti-vacciners, but it will not stop us from attending the rally, even though we may not be there to get our message out, but evenutally we will and are.The point is there was no issue here. You are right Al is probably the pharma whore. He is the one fomenting dissent and discord. It is interesting that TACA isn't uninviting anyone....because they too know the real truth. I left the group, but am still considering going back for a dramatic flameout.Kendra

[Guest guest]

I am predicting no major events, outbursts, arrests, or trouble in

general. I am trying to find out if I can order a cake ahead of

time for Keely's birthday on the fifth. Anyone from the area that

could hook me up with a bakery?

Kendra

> Here is the funny part. I agree that " Green the vacines "

is more

> palatable to the general populace and that is the 'message'

> and TACA have chosen. I think the approach is ingenious and fits

> right into the times of global warming and greening everything.

> Right now it has an almost welcome and friendly feel to it. It

will

> be majorly acceptable and eye opening to many that would not have

> listened before. I also know many people who were open to what I

> had to say and decided to dealy or space out vaccines and then

ended

> up never ever vaccinating. Their kids were too healthy too

> amazing. They had other kids who were vaccinated fully and you

> didn't have to point out the differences.

> I agree also that NOW is the time to go to Washington. Some are

> predicting up to 10,000 people. That sure as hell will get the

> attention of a lot of people and with a message that doesn't make

> them run for the hills in fright, it is vague, open to

> interpretation and diaglogue. It is the right message at the right

> moment with the right momentum.

> Having said all that, the bottom line is and was, I simply feel

> uncomfortable wearing a shirt that I personally do not believe in.

> That was my statement. I will design my own shirt and it will not

> fall into the enemies hands. Some of these people are dilusioary

if

> they think they are seen as any more valid or mainstream than anti-

> vaccine people, in fact whether they are or not they are also

> labeled as anti-vaccine by the enemy. If I didn't think this rally

> could have a huge impact I simply wouldn't be going. I think green

> the vaccines ultimately leads to NO vaccines but agreed it must be

> done in steps.

> We could hopefully all agree that the goal is to STOP damaging

> children whether that will take greening or incinerating vaccines,

> that is still the ultimate goal.

> What I resent is individuals making rules for something they have

no

> right to, insinuating the worst of people they know nothing about,

> and telling ANY PARENT OF AN AUTISTIC CHILD TO LOCKSTEP AND MARCH,

> DO AS YOU ARE TOLD, WEAR THE APPROVED ONLY T-SHIRT OR YOU ARE

> SOMEHOW WORKING FOR THE ENEMY. Or the twit who posted saying

> and Jim are the stars we are the stagehands and stage

props... " Just

> be a tree " . I'm no tree honey, I am a flaming F & %^ing torch but I

> am not a tree. I personally think would be mortified to hear

> that. owes her sons recovery to many of the " trees and

> stagehands " that are just suppose to prop her up. Bull, I have

> heard try to keep the focus on the thousands of affected,

the

> children. is the messenger but she knows damn good and well

> she is not the message, the children are, now and in the future.

>

> I told them I don't plan on making a scene, getting arrested, or

any

> other radical act. I will have my daughter with me for heavens

> sake. We will simply be two more individuals in a sea of humanity,

> wearing green, but with our own messages.

> When people tell TACA " what are you going to do to stop these

people

> from marching next to us " . Pllleeeaaasssseeee!! Blink Blink. Grow

> up. Maybe you can get vaccinated to be protected from us anti-

> vacciners, but it will not stop us from attending the rally, even

> though we may not be there to get our message out, but evenutally

we

> will and are.

> The point is there was no issue here. You are right Al is probably

> the pharma whore. He is the one fomenting dissent and discord. It

> is interesting that TACA isn't uninviting anyone....because they

too

> know the real truth. I left the group, but am still considering

> going back for a dramatic flameout.

> Kendra

>

[Guest guest]

I was one of those kids who chronicly never felt well and had no energy.

People thought I was depressed, and some even thought I was just plain

lazy. I was so sick that there were moments I wanted to die.

All of this came to ahead in my 20's when I had a bad reaction to the

hep B vaccine. It changed my life, and now I am fighting back, and as I

have said I give God and good genetics a lot of credit. It could have

been so much worse, and this is why I will not back down on this issue.

Aasa wrote:

> I respect your " opinion " and wish I had listened better to my own body

> decades ago, when I received several vaccines before heading off to

> Peru and suffered a variety of autoimmune problems shortly thereafter.

> I did not have any children at the time, but also noticed that my body

> was running amok, and could not deal with usual stressors or

> conditions soon after I had received several vaccines. At the time, I

> thought the polluted air in my place of work (a printing firm with

> next to no ventilation) was responsible for my problems. I did not

> even begin to make the vaccine connections until many years later,

> after I noticed some of my own kids experiencing adverse effects after

> receiving vaccines (effects like fever, diarrhea, hypotonia,

> convulsions/seizures, etc.).

>

> Aasa

>

> */forcedanarchy /* wrote:

>

> Why does it matter if I have kids or not? The vaccine issue is

> something

> that should concern every human being on the planet. Children are not

> the only ones be being pushed into vaccines, and I get beyond

> angry when

> people try and paint this an issue that only " parents " should care

> about.

>

> While I agree with much of what you say morally, I can not ever

> mention

> slow vaxing because I do feel injecting any kind of vaccine into a

> child

> is not only child abuse, it is a human rights violation.

>

> Please don't take offense to my opinion, but I will not accept the

> excuse just because a person is a parent they have the rights to do

> unhealthy life altering things to the bodies of their children.

>

> Now if you must know a bit about me:

>

> I am the survivor of multiple vaccines injuries, I am healthy now but

> only by the grace of God, and through in my opinion damn good

> genetics.

> Organic real food, and the proper use of supplements has helped as

> well.

>

> I spend most of my time online trying to get the word out about

> vaccine

> dangers, and I am a filmmaker, web designer, and a college student.

>

> I am also one of the toughest people you will ever meet, and I

> will bend

> over backward to help anyone in need, but I am not one who sugar

> coats

> an opinion, nor do I lie about how I feel.

>

> angndon1994 wrote:

> >

> > Do you have children? Your profiles say that you don't. While

> > certainly appreciate your effort to educate people about vaccines.

> > You must understand how difficult it is for a new parent to

> accept not

> > vaccinating their child, they simply won't listen. But they will

> > listen to me when I mention delaying vaccines, single dose vials

> etc.

> > And you know what thru the years, a few who have taken that advice

> > ended up not vaccinating at all. But they had to come to this

> > conclusion themselves, it's not something that can be forced

> upon them.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > Greening of the vaccines is only half of the issue, people

> need to

> > > > wake

> > > > > up and see that there is no such thing as a safe vaccine,

> and that

> > > > > having the basic childhood diseases not only strengthens

> the immune

> > > > > system but is a part of normal human development.

> > > > >

> > > > > People who don't see this and are stuck in the " green our

> vaccines "

> > > > > ideology are just as bad as those who support big pharma IMO.

> > > >

> > > > You obviously posted this remark to get a response from someone.

> > Here's

> > > > mine:

> > > >

> > > > Fuck off!

> > > >

> > > > And I'm big enough to leave my name.

> > > >

> > > > Charlie

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

As you said you are a torch so be a guiding light and do what you know

to be the right thing.

Kendra Pettengill wrote:

>

> Here is the funny part. I agree that " Green the vacines " is more

> palatable to the general populace and that is the 'message'

> and TACA have chosen. I think the approach is ingenious and fits

> right into the times of global warming and greening everything.

> Right now it has an almost welcome and friendly feel to it. It will

> be majorly acceptable and eye opening to many that would not have

> listened before. I also know many people who were open to what I

> had to say and decided to dealy or space out vaccines and then ended

> up never ever vaccinating. Their kids were too healthy too

> amazing. They had other kids who were vaccinated fully and you

> didn't have to point out the differences.

> I agree also that NOW is the time to go to Washington. Some are

> predicting up to 10,000 people. That sure as hell will get the

> attention of a lot of people and with a message that doesn't make

> them run for the hills in fright, it is vague, open to

> interpretation and diaglogue. It is the right message at the right

> moment with the right momentum.

> Having said all that, the bottom line is and was, I simply feel

> uncomfortable wearing a shirt that I personally do not believe in.

> That was my statement. I will design my own shirt and it will not

> fall into the enemies hands. Some of these people are dilusioary if

> they think they are seen as any more valid or mainstream than anti-

> vaccine people, in fact whether they are or not they are also

> labeled as anti-vaccine by the enemy. If I didn't think this rally

> could have a huge impact I simply wouldn't be going. I think green

> the vaccines ultimately leads to NO vaccines but agreed it must be

> done in steps.

> We could hopefully all agree that the goal is to STOP damaging

> children whether that will take greening or incinerating vaccines,

> that is still the ultimate goal.

> What I resent is individuals making rules for something they have no

> right to, insinuating the worst of people they know nothing about,

> and telling ANY PARENT OF AN AUTISTIC CHILD TO LOCKSTEP AND MARCH,

> DO AS YOU ARE TOLD, WEAR THE APPROVED ONLY T-SHIRT OR YOU ARE

> SOMEHOW WORKING FOR THE ENEMY. Or the twit who posted saying

> and Jim are the stars we are the stagehands and stage props... " Just

> be a tree " . I'm no tree honey, I am a flaming F & %^ing torch but I

> am not a tree. I personally think would be mortified to hear

> that. owes her sons recovery to many of the " trees and

> stagehands " that are just suppose to prop her up. Bull, I have

> heard try to keep the focus on the thousands of affected, the

> children. is the messenger but she knows damn good and well

> she is not the message, the children are, now and in the future.

>

> I told them I don't plan on making a scene, getting arrested, or any

> other radical act. I will have my daughter with me for heavens

> sake. We will simply be two more individuals in a sea of humanity,

> wearing green, but with our own messages.

> When people tell TACA " what are you going to do to stop these people

> from marching next to us " . Pllleeeaaasssseeee!! Blink Blink. Grow

> up. Maybe you can get vaccinated to be protected from us anti-

> vacciners, but it will not stop us from attending the rally, even

> though we may not be there to get our message out, but evenutally we

> will and are.

> The point is there was no issue here. You are right Al is probably

> the pharma whore. He is the one fomenting dissent and discord. It

> is interesting that TACA isn't uninviting anyone....because they too

> know the real truth. I left the group, but am still considering

> going back for a dramatic flameout.

> Kendra

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lia, If you want to go to the rally, you must be able to do so without having to worry about the "party line'. I am sad to see this happening here. I don't think McCarthy and Jim Carrey even imagined these problems cropping up. Aasa LFMleczko@... wrote: hi.. I want to go to the rally.. but do not agree with the green the vaccine theme. I would like it to be a rally to stop the lies from the pharms

and from the government. I wanted the rally to demand compensation and no look back period. I see there are other items on the rally agenda to what I have said. So..if I wear a T shirt .. CDC poisoning our kids.. I will have a bunch of dirty looks? Lia Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos.