Re: The Diary of a Subversive Pharma Plant

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And, for crying out loud, docs need to pay attention to the

contraindications on the label!

>

> And GET RID OF VACCINES would certainly take much much longer. But in

> the meantime if we green them, by getting rid of the toxins and

> cutting back on the vaccines given, AT LEAST maybe we can save some

kids.

[Guest guest]

I was under the impression that said a couple of things -

1. Get the toxins out aka green the vaccines

and

2. One size does not fit all meaning you can't give everyone the same

vaccines (which SHOULD include the people who should not get any)

Why are they just giving out half the message at the rally?

As far as the controversy goes, TACA through the moderators should

address it. Basically nobody should be calling anybody else names.

JMO

Gayatri

>

> I posted my t-shirt ideas on the DC Rally Yahoo Group and

> stated I would not wear a " Green our Vaccines " t-shirt. Yikes, it

is

> now a firestorm on the list.

>

> Somehow all of this has turned into a screaming match, that somehow

> anyone who wants to do away with All vaccines and not tow-the-line

> of the intended message of the rally is being subversive. No

matter

> how much we state we are not there to disrupt, just didn't want to

> wear the stupid t-shirt.

>

> Now some guy has basically stated that I am a " plant " from the

> pharmaceutical companies to disrupt and ruin the rally and play

into

> the enemies hands. Wow. He obviously knows absolutely nothing

> about me. I'm leaving that group or it would be a first for me, I

> would be kicked off the list. Some of the posts on there are

> infuriating, I need a barf bag. He even went so far as to ask

> Ackerman how she plans to " handle these People " and keep us from

> attending the rally.

>

> So, just a warning that if you are truly anti-vaccine do not join

> that group, just go to the rally and be counted no matter what you

> believe, it is sending us in the right direction. And wear what

you

> want and put what you want on your signs. The leadership of TACA

is

> certainly not the ones trying to control anyone nor speak for all

of

> us. They seem to be saying all are welcome. The numbers say it

all.

> Kendra

>

[Guest guest]

We must be careful that in our quest to care for the already

injured people and avoid future injured children, we don’t become as

hard-line as those we take issue with.

As parents, we are now pressured to

inject our children with vaccines we know to contain dangerous components on a

schedule we believe strongly to be dangerous. I do not have an injured child,

but I do not vaccinate my children because I feel as a parent the risks

outweigh the supposed benefits. I am angry that my government would like to

usurp my rights and responsibility to make medical decisions that I believe to

be in the best interests of my children. But I am

aware that I am in the minority by choosing not to vaccinate.

Most parents choose to vaccinate. I for

one support efforts to make vaccines safer (or “greener”). I

believe just removing the known neurotoxins

would be a vast improvement. Would they be completely safe then? I do not

believe so. Would they be safe enough for me to inject

into my children? No. But

just as I am angry that I am viewed as a neglectful parent for not vaccinating,

I would not want to take the decision to vaccinate away from other parents. Nor

am I willing to say that “greening” vaccines is not worth it

because the parents who would choose them and the children who would receive

them somehow ‘deserve what they get’ or are as bad as the Pharma

that produce them.

Remember that we are united in an

effort to prevent more children from being vaccine injured. But

there is no “one-size-fits-all” when it comes to our children. In

the end, I believe we must do what is necessary to get dangerous products off

the market and make sure all parents understand the true

risks of immunizations before they make that decision for their child. Then

leave the decisions about immunizations in the hands of the parents, where it

belongs.

Just my opinion.

Terry

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Kendra,

I am glad to see that you are still going!!!!

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The Diary of a Subversive Pharma Plant

I posted my t-shirt ideas on the DC Rally Yahoo Group and stated I would not wear a "Green our Vaccines" t-shirt. Yikes, it is now a firestorm on the list. Somehow all of this has turned into a screaming match, that somehow anyone who wants to do away with All vaccines and not tow-the-line of the intended message of the rally is being subversive. No matter how much we state we are not there to disrupt, just didn't want to wear the stupid t-shirt. Now some guy has basically stated that I am a "plant" from the pharmaceutical companies to disrupt and ruin the rally and play into the enemies hands. Wow. He obviously knows absolutely nothing about me. I'm leaving that group or it would be a first for me, I would be kicked off the list. Some of the posts on there are infuriating, I need a barf bag. He even went so far as to ask Ackerman how she plans to "handle these People" and keep

us from attending the rally.So, just a warning that if you are truly anti-vaccine do not join that group, just go to the rally and be counted no matter what you believe, it is sending us in the right direction. And wear what you want and put what you want on your signs. The leadership of TACA is certainly not the ones trying to control anyone nor speak for all of us. They seem to be saying all are welcome. The numbers say it all.Kendra

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She said it on Larry King also.

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OMG Kendra, Didn't McCarthy say she would not vaccinate another child if she had one?? We should try and find the transcript and post it. There will never be a safe vaccine!Peggy>> I posted my t-shirt ideas on the DC Rally Yahoo Group and > stated I would not wear a "Green our Vaccines" t-shirt. Yikes, it is > now a firestorm on the list. > > Somehow all of this has turned into a screaming match, that somehow > anyone who wants to do away with All vaccines and not tow-the-line > of the intended message of the rally is being subversive. No matter > how much we state we are not there to disrupt, just didn't want to > wear the stupid t-shirt. > >

Now some guy has basically stated that I am a "plant" from the > pharmaceutical companies to disrupt and ruin the rally and play into > the enemies hands. Wow. He obviously knows absolutely nothing > about me. I'm leaving that group or it would be a first for me, I > would be kicked off the list. Some of the posts on there are > infuriating, I need a barf bag. He even went so far as to ask > Ackerman how she plans to "handle these People" and keep us from > attending the rally.> > So, just a warning that if you are truly anti-vaccine do not join > that group, just go to the rally and be counted no matter what you > believe, it is sending us in the right direction. And wear what you > want and put what you want on your signs. The leadership of TACA is > certainly not the ones trying to control anyone nor speak for all of > us. They seem

to be saying all are welcome. The numbers say it all.> Kendra>

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I don't think anyone would have a problem with that t-shirt.

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hi.. I want to go to the rally.. but do not agree with the green the vaccine theme. I would like it to be a rally to stop the lies from the pharms and from the government. I wanted the rally to demand compensation and no look back period. I see there are other items on the rally agenda to what I have said. So..if I wear a T shirt .. CDC poisoning our kids.. I will have a bunch of dirty looks? Lia

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I think they only reason they are pushing "thier" tshirt is to help fund the rally. I personally think whatever you wear the most important part is to show up. And if you can't show up send your elected officials a note that week letting them know you weren't there but wished you could have been.

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participate in or contribute to society. Improving educational results for children with disabilities is an

essential element of our national policy of ensuring equality of opportunity, full participation, independent

living, and economic self-sufficiency for individuals with disabilities.

~Well-behaved women seldom make history~ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

The Diary of a Subversive Pharma Plant

I posted my t-shirt ideas on the DC Rally Yahoo Group and stated I would not wear a "Green our Vaccines" t-shirt. Yikes, it is now a firestorm on the list. Somehow all of this has turned into a screaming match, that somehow anyone who wants to do away with All vaccines and not tow-the-line of the intended message of the rally is being subversive. No matter how much we state we are not there to disrupt, just didn't want to wear the stupid t-shirt. Now some guy has basically stated that I am a "plant" from the pharmaceutical companies to disrupt and ruin the rally and play into the enemies hands. Wow. He obviously knows absolutely nothing about me. I'm leaving that group or it would be a first for me, I would be kicked off the list. Some of the posts on there are infuriating, I need a barf bag. He even went so far as to ask Ackerman how she plans to "handle these People" and keep

us from attending the rally.So, just a warning that if you are truly anti-vaccine do not join that group, just go to the rally and be counted no matter what you believe, it is sending us in the right direction. And wear what you want and put what you want on your signs. The leadership of TACA is certainly not the ones trying to control anyone nor speak for all of us. They seem to be saying all are welcome. The numbers say it all.Kendra

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The moderators are volunteers and really really busy, they are dealing with the situation, just not as quickly as they probably should have.

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essential element of our national policy of ensuring equality of opportunity, full participation, independent

living, and economic self-sufficiency for individuals with disabilities.

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Re: The Diary of a Subversive Pharma Plant

I was under the impression that said a couple of things - 1. Get the toxins out aka green the vaccinesand2. One size does not fit all meaning you can't give everyone the same vaccines (which SHOULD include the people who should not get any)Why are they just giving out half the message at the rally? As far as the controversy goes, TACA through the moderators should address it. Basically nobody should be calling anybody else names. JMOGayatri>> I posted my t-shirt ideas on the DC Rally Yahoo Group and > stated I would not wear a "Green our Vaccines" t-shirt. Yikes, it is > now a firestorm on the list. > > Somehow all of this has turned into a

screaming match, that somehow > anyone who wants to do away with All vaccines and not tow-the-line > of the intended message of the rally is being subversive. No matter > how much we state we are not there to disrupt, just didn't want to > wear the stupid t-shirt. > > Now some guy has basically stated that I am a "plant" from the > pharmaceutical companies to disrupt and ruin the rally and play into > the enemies hands. Wow. He obviously knows absolutely nothing > about me. I'm leaving that group or it would be a first for me, I > would be kicked off the list. Some of the posts on there are > infuriating, I need a barf bag. He even went so far as to ask > Ackerman how she plans to "handle these People" and keep us from > attending the rally.> > So, just a warning that if you are truly anti-vaccine do not join > that group, just go

to the rally and be counted no matter what you > believe, it is sending us in the right direction. And wear what you > want and put what you want on your signs. The leadership of TACA is > certainly not the ones trying to control anyone nor speak for all of > us. They seem to be saying all are welcome. The numbers say it all.> Kendra>

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My wife has signed us up to attend the rally, and there appears to be some concern as to what shirt to wear, I'm wondering if I can wear my "White Sox" T-Shirt, or do I need a green uniform? I've got a gray and a black "Sox" shirt. Any suggestions?

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I know nothing about sports but I think you will need an Atlanta Brave shirt. (are those both baseball teams???) Maurinehhofher@... wrote: My wife has signed us up to attend the rally, and there appears to be some concern as to what shirt to wear, I'm wondering if I can wear my "White Sox" T-Shirt, or do I need a green uniform? I've got a gray and a black "Sox" shirt. Any suggestions? Harry Hofherr Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos.

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You summed up my thoughts in a much more concise way than I could have.

Good points. And might I add that a person on the rally list pointed

out that there is a " sneaky factor " to this whole deal- the vaccines

really can't be greened. But asking for it seems very reasonable. So

the public finds out that they aren't and that the unreasonable vaccine

companies refuse to change it. More people jump the vaccine ship and

start looking into the vaccine issue more. The tide is turning, and

McCarthy is the #1 reason why, IMHO.

>

> I'm against vaccines, but I feel that " greening our vaccines " is a

> step in the right direction. Because I realized that more people will

> be open to hearing the message " green our vaccines " rather than " no

> more vaccines " . In the beginning I couldn't imagine scrapping

> vaccines altogether, but in time I transformed. I think the public

> needs to digest this one bite at a time.

>

[Guest guest]

Exactly, we are asking for something that is " valid " to the majority

of the public. And once the dialogue begins and the real research

takes place, we will find out that no vaccine is green.

I just hope that pharma doesn't go in a different direction with their

fight (since they know they may lose) and work to have our right to

opt out taken away (read up on the other thread here about HR1955).

> >

> > I'm against vaccines, but I feel that " greening our vaccines " is a

> > step in the right direction. Because I realized that more people will

> > be open to hearing the message " green our vaccines " rather than " no

> > more vaccines " . In the beginning I couldn't imagine scrapping

> > vaccines altogether, but in time I transformed. I think the public

> > needs to digest this one bite at a time.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Just to " make nice " at the rally. If anyone interviews me, I can say

with conviction that when my kids had to get their MMR booster, that it

responsible medicine to test every kid who is getting the booster and

see if the vaccine is neccessary. My kids had the original MMR shot and

they were both immune so I didn't get the booster. Dr Cave's book says

that 95% are immune from the first dose. It does not danger the public

health or my own children's health to not get a shot that they are

already immune. I don't think anyone can argue with me there.

It's like saying. I know you already had the measles, but you have to

have the shot. It's the law and you'll go to jail if you don't. That

doesn't make sense.

forcedanarchy wrote:

>

> I was one of those kids who chronicly never felt well and had no energy.

> People thought I was depressed, and some even thought I was just plain

> lazy. I was so sick that there were moments I wanted to die.

>

> All of this came to ahead in my 20's when I had a bad reaction to the

> hep B vaccine. It changed my life, and now I am fighting back, and as I

> have said I give God and good genetics a lot of credit. It could have

> been so much worse, and this is why I will not back down on this issue.

>

> Aasa wrote:

> > I respect your " opinion " and wish I had listened better to my own body

> > decades ago, when I received several vaccines before heading off to

> > Peru and suffered a variety of autoimmune problems shortly thereafter.

> > I did not have any children at the time, but also noticed that my body

> > was running amok, and could not deal with usual stressors or

> > conditions soon after I had received several vaccines. At the time, I

> > thought the polluted air in my place of work (a printing firm with

> > next to no ventilation) was responsible for my problems. I did not

> > even begin to make the vaccine connections until many years later,

> > after I noticed some of my own kids experiencing adverse effects after

> > receiving vaccines (effects like fever, diarrhea, hypotonia,

> > convulsions/seizures, etc.).

> >

> > Aasa

> >

> > */forcedanarchy <FORCEDANARCHY@...

> <mailto:FORCEDANARCHY%40aol.com>>/* wrote:

> >

> > Why does it matter if I have kids or not? The vaccine issue is

> > something

> > that should concern every human being on the planet. Children are not

> > the only ones be being pushed into vaccines, and I get beyond

> > angry when

> > people try and paint this an issue that only " parents " should care

> > about.

> >

> > While I agree with much of what you say morally, I can not ever

> > mention

> > slow vaxing because I do feel injecting any kind of vaccine into a

> > child

> > is not only child abuse, it is a human rights violation.

> >

> > Please don't take offense to my opinion, but I will not accept the

> > excuse just because a person is a parent they have the rights to do

> > unhealthy life altering things to the bodies of their children.

> >

> > Now if you must know a bit about me:

> >

> > I am the survivor of multiple vaccines injuries, I am healthy now but

> > only by the grace of God, and through in my opinion damn good

> > genetics.

> > Organic real food, and the proper use of supplements has helped as

> > well.

> >

> > I spend most of my time online trying to get the word out about

> > vaccine

> > dangers, and I am a filmmaker, web designer, and a college student.

> >

> > I am also one of the toughest people you will ever meet, and I

> > will bend

> > over backward to help anyone in need, but I am not one who sugar

> > coats

> > an opinion, nor do I lie about how I feel.

> >

> > angndon1994 wrote:

> > >

> > > Do you have children? Your profiles say that you don't. While

> > > certainly appreciate your effort to educate people about vaccines.

> > > You must understand how difficult it is for a new parent to

> > accept not

> > > vaccinating their child, they simply won't listen. But they will

> > > listen to me when I mention delaying vaccines, single dose vials

> > etc.

> > > And you know what thru the years, a few who have taken that advice

> > > ended up not vaccinating at all. But they had to come to this

> > > conclusion themselves, it's not something that can be forced

> > upon them.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Greening of the vaccines is only half of the issue, people

> > need to

> > > > > wake

> > > > > > up and see that there is no such thing as a safe vaccine,

> > and that

> > > > > > having the basic childhood diseases not only strengthens

> > the immune

> > > > > > system but is a part of normal human development.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > People who don't see this and are stuck in the " green our

> > vaccines "

> > > > > > ideology are just as bad as those who support big pharma IMO.

> > > > >

> > > > > You obviously posted this remark to get a response from someone.

> > > Here's

> > > > > mine:

> > > > >

> > > > > Fuck off!

> > > > >

> > > > > And I'm big enough to leave my name.

> > > > >

> > > > > Charlie

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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My child only for one MMR and he has 300 times more titers then if he had the measles now. If I am asked by the media I will say that. I will also say that the MMR never had mercury in it and that the reason I am there is there are two many too soon. I really dont think they are asking anyone to go against their morals well except maybe AL lol. But I think was clear on everyone was welcome.

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Just to "make nice" at the rally. If anyone interviews me, I can say with conviction that when my kids had to get their MMR booster, that it responsible medicine to test every kid who is getting the booster and see if the vaccine is neccessary. My kids had the original MMR shot and they were both immune so I didn't get the booster. Dr Cave's book says that 95% are immune from the first dose. It does not danger the public health or my own children's health to not get a shot that they are already immune. I don't think anyone can argue with me there.It's like saying. I know you already had the measles, but you have to have the shot. It's the law and you'll go to jail if you don't. That doesn't make sense.forcedanarchy wrote:>> I was one of those kids who chronicly never felt well and had no energy.> People thought I was depressed, and some even thought I was just plain> lazy.

I was so sick that there were moments I wanted to die.>> All of this came to ahead in my 20's when I had a bad reaction to the> hep B vaccine. It changed my life, and now I am fighting back, and as I> have said I give God and good genetics a lot of credit. It could have> been so much worse, and this is why I will not back down on this issue.>> Aasa wrote:> > I respect your "opinion" and wish I had listened better to my own body> > decades ago, when I received several vaccines before heading off to> > Peru and suffered a variety of autoimmune problems shortly thereafter.> > I did not have any children at the time, but also noticed that my body> > was running amok, and could not deal with usual stressors or> > conditions soon after I had received several vaccines. At the time, I> > thought the polluted air in my place of work (a printing

firm with> > next to no ventilation) was responsible for my problems. I did not> > even begin to make the vaccine connections until many years later,> > after I noticed some of my own kids experiencing adverse effects after> > receiving vaccines (effects like fever, diarrhea, hypotonia,> > convulsions/ seizures, etc.).> >> > Aasa> >> > */forcedanarchy <FORCEDANARCHY@ aol.com > <mailto:FORCEDANARC HY%40aol. com>>/* wrote:> >> > Why does it matter if I have kids or not? The vaccine issue is> > something> > that should concern every human being on the planet. Children are not> > the only ones be being pushed into vaccines, and I get beyond> > angry when> > people try

and paint this an issue that only "parents" should care> > about.> >> > While I agree with much of what you say morally, I can not ever> > mention> > slow vaxing because I do feel injecting any kind of vaccine into a> > child> > is not only child abuse, it is a human rights violation.> >> > Please don't take offense to my opinion, but I will not accept the> > excuse just because a person is a parent they have the rights to do> > unhealthy life altering things to the bodies of their children.> >> > Now if you must know a bit about me:> >> > I am the survivor of multiple vaccines injuries, I am healthy now but> > only by the grace of God, and through in my opinion damn good> > genetics.> > Organic real food, and the proper use of supplements has helped as> >

well.> >> > I spend most of my time online trying to get the word out about> > vaccine> > dangers, and I am a filmmaker, web designer, and a college student.> >> > I am also one of the toughest people you will ever meet, and I> > will bend> > over backward to help anyone in need, but I am not one who sugar> > coats> > an opinion, nor do I lie about how I feel.> >> > angndon1994 wrote:> > >> > > Do you have children? Your profiles say that you don't. While> > > certainly appreciate your effort to educate people about vaccines.> > > You must understand how difficult it is for a new parent to> > accept not> > > vaccinating their child, they simply won't listen. But they will> > > listen to me when I mention delaying vaccines, single dose vials>

> etc.> > > And you know what thru the years, a few who have taken that advice> > > ended up not vaccinating at all. But they had to come to this> > > conclusion themselves, it's not something that can be forced> > upon them.> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Greening of the vaccines is only half of the issue, people> > need to> > > > > wake> > > > > > up and see that there is no such thing as a safe vaccine,> > and that> > > > > > having the basic childhood diseases not only strengthens> > the immune> > > > > > system but is a part of normal human development.> > > > > >> > > > > > People who don't see this and are stuck in the "green our> > vaccines"> > > > > > ideology are just as bad as those who support big pharma IMO.> > > > >> > > > > You obviously posted this remark to get a response

from someone.> > > Here's> > > > > mine:> > > > >> > > > > Fuck off!> > > > >> > > > > And I'm big enough to leave my name.> > > > >> > > > > Charlie> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> >>>

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According to old posts on this board, it did have hg at 1 time.

>

> My child only for one MMR and he has 300 times more titers then if he

had the measles now.  If I am asked by the media I will say that.  I

will also say that the MMR never had mercury in it and that the reason

I am there is there are two many too soon...

>  

> Primer

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I believe it was Dr. H. Hugh Fudenberg, who mentioned here that MMR "contained" thimerosal at one time. I never got a clear picture of how it might have, other than perhaps in the earlier stages of the manufacturing process. However, he was quite adamant that thimerosal was an ingredient in the MMR vaccine, at one time. Dr. Fudenberg is a list member here, and it would be great if he could expound on his thoughts about this issue here. However, we also know that he is getting on in years and that his eyesight is failing him. I don't know whether he is still reading the postings here, but it would be interesting to read about his thoughts and experience on this matter. Aasa thefitzenreiterfamily wrote: According to old posts on this board, it did have hg at 1 time.>> My child only for one MMR and he has 300 times more titers then if he had the measles now. If I am asked by the media I will say that. I will also say that the MMR never had mercury in it and that the reason I am there is there are two many too soon...> > Primer