Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 I recently had an intern that began wearing them and ended up with a nasty SI problem that took us a couple of weeks to calm down. As to the mechanism of injury, no LLI, it seemed to accentuate his lumbar lordosis which may have fired up his SI. Just my two cents, Jaysun (He tossed them in the garbage right afterwards) > > A pt asked about earth shoes. I recall them having a negative heel but not > that they caused any particular problems. Does anyone feelings pro or con? > > Larry L. Oliver, DC > 408 NW 7th > Corvallis, OR 97330 > dro@... > voice 541-757-9933 > fax 541-757-7713 > > > The information contained in this electronic message may contain protected > health information which is confidential under applicable law and is > intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the > recipient of the message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination, copying or disclosure of this communication > is strictly prohibited. If you have received the communication in error, > please notify Heresco Chiropractic & Associates, 408 NW 7th St, Corvallis, > OR 97330, 541-757-9933 and purge the communication immediately without > making any copy or distribution > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 I recently had an intern that began wearing them and ended up with a nasty SI problem that took us a couple of weeks to calm down. As to the mechanism of injury, no LLI, it seemed to accentuate his lumbar lordosis which may have fired up his SI. Just my two cents, Jaysun (He tossed them in the garbage right afterwards) > > A pt asked about earth shoes. I recall them having a negative heel but not > that they caused any particular problems. Does anyone feelings pro or con? > > Larry L. Oliver, DC > 408 NW 7th > Corvallis, OR 97330 > dro@... > voice 541-757-9933 > fax 541-757-7713 > > > The information contained in this electronic message may contain protected > health information which is confidential under applicable law and is > intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the > recipient of the message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination, copying or disclosure of this communication > is strictly prohibited. If you have received the communication in error, > please notify Heresco Chiropractic & Associates, 408 NW 7th St, Corvallis, > OR 97330, 541-757-9933 and purge the communication immediately without > making any copy or distribution > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Hi Larry, Several years ago when the shoes first became popular I did a series of lateral films of the sacral base and found that the people who were able to enjoy wearing them had steeper sacral angulations (40 to 50 degrees). Conversely those with flatter angles found the shoes made them uncomfortable or easily fatigued. My advice is to check the patients'sacral angle and inform them accordingly. Herb Freeman D.C. Earth Shoes A pt asked about earth shoes. I recall them having a negative heel but not that they caused any particular problems. Does anyone feelings pro or con? Larry L. Oliver, DC 408 NW 7th Corvallis, OR 97330 droheresco voice 541-757-9933 fax 541-757-7713 The information contained in this electronic message may contain protected health information which is confidential under applicable law and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the recipient of the message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received the communication in error, please notify Heresco Chiropractic & Associates, 408 NW 7th St, Corvallis, OR 97330, 541-757-9933 and purge the communication immediately without making any copy or distribution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Hi Larry, Several years ago when the shoes first became popular I did a series of lateral films of the sacral base and found that the people who were able to enjoy wearing them had steeper sacral angulations (40 to 50 degrees). Conversely those with flatter angles found the shoes made them uncomfortable or easily fatigued. My advice is to check the patients'sacral angle and inform them accordingly. Herb Freeman D.C. Earth Shoes A pt asked about earth shoes. I recall them having a negative heel but not that they caused any particular problems. Does anyone feelings pro or con? Larry L. Oliver, DC 408 NW 7th Corvallis, OR 97330 droheresco voice 541-757-9933 fax 541-757-7713 The information contained in this electronic message may contain protected health information which is confidential under applicable law and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the recipient of the message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received the communication in error, please notify Heresco Chiropractic & Associates, 408 NW 7th St, Corvallis, OR 97330, 541-757-9933 and purge the communication immediately without making any copy or distribution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 I do not own any. I have tried them on and generally liked them but did not purchase. The models they had at the store seemed to have surprisingly rigid lasts. I like a lot of flexibility in the last. I would rate them above the MBT shoes, which I generally would not recommend to anyone who intends on doing anything other than walking in a straight line. I would also recommend them over most any kind of heeled shoe. There certainly is another "back to basics" /minimal support footwear movement going on now among a certain sub-set in society (more healthy and active types). Eliminating the heel is one component of this movement, shoes with a thin and flexible last is another component ....I generally am supportive of these new shoes. We chiros need to be telling our patients to go out and get barefoot and strengthen their feet (with some exceptions). related article: http://nymag.com/health/features/46213/index3.html Dinner Made Easy - Get meal ideas and money-saving coupons! Get Recipe Ideas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 I do not own any. I have tried them on and generally liked them but did not purchase. The models they had at the store seemed to have surprisingly rigid lasts. I like a lot of flexibility in the last. I would rate them above the MBT shoes, which I generally would not recommend to anyone who intends on doing anything other than walking in a straight line. I would also recommend them over most any kind of heeled shoe. There certainly is another "back to basics" /minimal support footwear movement going on now among a certain sub-set in society (more healthy and active types). Eliminating the heel is one component of this movement, shoes with a thin and flexible last is another component ....I generally am supportive of these new shoes. We chiros need to be telling our patients to go out and get barefoot and strengthen their feet (with some exceptions). related article: http://nymag.com/health/features/46213/index3.html Dinner Made Easy - Get meal ideas and money-saving coupons! Get Recipe Ideas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Earth shoes have a negative heel requiring added ankle dorsiflexion to stand and walk. Unfortunately most people do not have sufficient dorsiflevion to walk normally on flat shoes, thus have to compensate with hip external rotation and knee torsional stress. There are other shoes with negative heel, but are generally used as training aids or competition shoes. MBT shoes, as with other rocker-bottom shoes, are designed for the people who have significant limitations in ankle dorsiflexion and hip extension by compensating for the loss of ankle rocker. Lower profile shoes do allow a more natural gait, but at the sacrifice of shock absorption. Since most of use stand and walk on un-natural surfaces (concrete and wood floors vs. dirt and grass) shock absorption is more of an issue in modern life. Also humans tend to be taller and heavier than in history. Ted Forcum, DC, DACBSP '08 US Olympic Team Chiropractor ACA Sports Council, President Back In Motion Sports Injuries Clinic, LLC 11385 SW Scholls Ferry Road Beaverton, Oregon 97008 503.524.9040 www.bimsportsinjuries.com The information contained in this electronic message may contain protected health information confidential under applicable law, and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copy or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify Back In Motion Sports Injuries Clinic, LLC at 11385 SW Scholls Ferry Road, Beaverton, OR-97008. and purge the communication immediately without making any copy or distribution. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of spbkchiro@... Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:50 PM Subject: Re:Earth Shoes I do not own any. I have tried them on and generally liked them but did not purchase. The models they had at the store seemed to have surprisingly rigid lasts. I like a lot of flexibility in the last. I would rate them above the MBT shoes, which I generally would not recommend to anyone who intends on doing anything other than walking in a straight line. I would also recommend them over most any kind of heeled shoe. There certainly is another " back to basics " /minimal support footwear movement going on now among a certain sub-set in society (more healthy and active types). Eliminating the heel is one component of this movement, shoes with a thin and flexible last is another component ....I generally am supportive of these new shoes. We chiros need to be telling our patients to go out and get barefoot and strengthen their feet (with some exceptions). related article: http://nymag.com/health/features/46213/index3.html Dinner Made Easy - Get meal ideas and money-saving coupons! Get Recipe Ideas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Earth shoes have a negative heel requiring added ankle dorsiflexion to stand and walk. Unfortunately most people do not have sufficient dorsiflevion to walk normally on flat shoes, thus have to compensate with hip external rotation and knee torsional stress. There are other shoes with negative heel, but are generally used as training aids or competition shoes. MBT shoes, as with other rocker-bottom shoes, are designed for the people who have significant limitations in ankle dorsiflexion and hip extension by compensating for the loss of ankle rocker. Lower profile shoes do allow a more natural gait, but at the sacrifice of shock absorption. Since most of use stand and walk on un-natural surfaces (concrete and wood floors vs. dirt and grass) shock absorption is more of an issue in modern life. Also humans tend to be taller and heavier than in history. Ted Forcum, DC, DACBSP '08 US Olympic Team Chiropractor ACA Sports Council, President Back In Motion Sports Injuries Clinic, LLC 11385 SW Scholls Ferry Road Beaverton, Oregon 97008 503.524.9040 www.bimsportsinjuries.com The information contained in this electronic message may contain protected health information confidential under applicable law, and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copy or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify Back In Motion Sports Injuries Clinic, LLC at 11385 SW Scholls Ferry Road, Beaverton, OR-97008. and purge the communication immediately without making any copy or distribution. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of spbkchiro@... Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:50 PM Subject: Re:Earth Shoes I do not own any. I have tried them on and generally liked them but did not purchase. The models they had at the store seemed to have surprisingly rigid lasts. I like a lot of flexibility in the last. I would rate them above the MBT shoes, which I generally would not recommend to anyone who intends on doing anything other than walking in a straight line. I would also recommend them over most any kind of heeled shoe. There certainly is another " back to basics " /minimal support footwear movement going on now among a certain sub-set in society (more healthy and active types). Eliminating the heel is one component of this movement, shoes with a thin and flexible last is another component ....I generally am supportive of these new shoes. We chiros need to be telling our patients to go out and get barefoot and strengthen their feet (with some exceptions). related article: http://nymag.com/health/features/46213/index3.html Dinner Made Easy - Get meal ideas and money-saving coupons! Get Recipe Ideas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 I think your recommendation would depend on your intent with the patient. The shoes will decrease back pain in some individuals (often depending on anterior tilt) they may be great to recommend. If you are looking to normalize foot function and posture overall, I would stay away from those shoes. Too stiff, and negative heel is not made for human design. I tend to land on the side of Ray McClanahan, MD at NW Foot and Ankle. Normalize foot function. Don't create new compensations in a dysfunctional posture. Check out www.footankle.com for many great articles. I have seen this doc take my own patients out of costome molded orthotics and normalize foot function with great results (and happy patients). He also literally "walks the walk", doing marathons in crocks! Loves chiro's cause we understand normalizing function. Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic and Movement Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211503-287-2273 Dinner Made Easy - Get meal ideas and money-saving coupons! Get Recipe Ideas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 I think your recommendation would depend on your intent with the patient. The shoes will decrease back pain in some individuals (often depending on anterior tilt) they may be great to recommend. If you are looking to normalize foot function and posture overall, I would stay away from those shoes. Too stiff, and negative heel is not made for human design. I tend to land on the side of Ray McClanahan, MD at NW Foot and Ankle. Normalize foot function. Don't create new compensations in a dysfunctional posture. Check out www.footankle.com for many great articles. I have seen this doc take my own patients out of costome molded orthotics and normalize foot function with great results (and happy patients). He also literally "walks the walk", doing marathons in crocks! Loves chiro's cause we understand normalizing function. Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic and Movement Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211503-287-2273 Dinner Made Easy - Get meal ideas and money-saving coupons! Get Recipe Ideas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 I agree with the Doctor's recommendation about Ray McClanahan, DPM (He is a podiatrist). I drive to Portland (2 hours) for my appointments. Some of the "problems" I had that went away with the help of Dr. McClanahan -1. cold feet regardless of how many socks I wore or the temperature outside2. right knee pain is gone. I woke up one morning, and after doing my yoga, I noticed no more knee pain, even though I have an "official medical diagnosis" of Osteoarthritis in my right knee.3. No more low back stiffness in the morning when I wake up. I had an acute flareup last weekend. The flareup had nothing to do with Dr. McClanahan's treatment.4. My left ankle joint only bothers me only when I walk several miles with orthotics, rather than with my toes splayed as he recommends.In fact, my feet, knees and low back feel so good that I started training for a half marathon in October. Eileen Machida, DC541-740-6424 Re: Re:Earth Shoes I think your recommendation would depend on your intent with the patient. The shoes will decrease back pain in some individuals (often depending on anterior tilt) they may be great to recommend. If you are looking to normalize foot function and posture overall, I would stay away from those shoes. Too stiff, and negative heel is not made for human design. I tend to land on the side of Ray McClanahan, MD at NW Foot and Ankle. Normalize foot function. Don't create new compensations in a dysfunctional posture. Check out www.footankle.com for many great articles. I have seen this doc take my own patients out of costome molded orthotics and normalize foot function with great results (and happy patients). He also literally "walks the walk", doing marathons in crocks! Loves chiro's cause we understand normalizing function. Jay Lindekugel, DC Concordia Chiropractic and Movement Center 5425 NE 33rd Ave. Portland Or. 97211 503-287-2273 Dinner Made Easy - Get meal ideas and money-saving coupons! Get Recipe Ideas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 I third on Ray. He's helped with a number of stubborn cases. The apparatus he developed for bunions has worked faster to relieve pain on numerous patients than anything else I've ever used. Lori Inkrote, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 That's great news about McClanahan. I was given his name a couple of months ago but had misplaced his contact information. In Jan, '07, I had surgery on my right foot by Dr. Jay Crary, THE foot/ankle guy at Rebound Orthopedics--one of the guys who works on the multi-million dollar Blazers. Seemed like a safe choice. eh? The original pain (one very small focal area of pain) is gone. So he is happy. The surgery was successful as he sees it. The surgery was presented to me in such a 'matter of fact' way, like it was no big deal. A day surgery, home the same day. Very cavalier. I'd be completely off my feet for 2 weeks, then non-weight bearing for an additonal 4 weeks. Knee scooter to the rescue--"You'll be back in your office in no time on that scooter. You're hands will be free so you'll be able to get back to treating your patients." Seems like it was a complete no brainer. NOT. And, yes, I asked a lot of questions. I just didn't get very good answers. Had NO idea about the plate and 3 of the screws. Had NO idea I would even be in a cast. I ended up with a plate and 5 screws in my foot. My first metatarsal is fused and helt together with 2 screws to the first cunieform bone. I have NO movement in my big toe/MP joint. NADA. And to top it all off, he rearranged the flexor and extensor tendons on the second toe. It just sits there--completely stiff with NO reaction to muscle contraction. And, as if that wasn't enough, I now have NO fat pad under the metatarsal heads. Not sure where it went, but it's completely gone. What?? And after being in a cast for several weeks, followed by a boot for several more weeks and scooting around on a knee scooter, everything was a complete mess. I had ZERO range of motion in my right ankle, my right knee was inflamed and painful and my left hip was in screaming pain from shifting my weight the the left leg. In every possible way, my foot is worse. I can hardly stand it (No pun intended). I am essentially crippled unless I wear shoes like Wolky's that have a fairly rigid and thick sole. I literally cannot walk in my bare feet AT ALL. At one point I went back with terrible swelling and discoloration--maybe cellulitis, I thought. When I complained that I was unhappy with the results at that point, here is what the doc on call (THE hand/wrist guy) at Rebound said: "Didn't you sign the informed consent? Didn't they tell you you could DIE from the anesthesia???" Like I was supposed to be grateful because I didn't DIE??????????? The whole experience was horrible. The only good thing about it was that I was on serious narcotic pain medication for a few weeks and I got to sleep through the worst part of that winter. So I will be seeing Dr. McC to get his opinion of what, if anything, can be done to increase/improve function and comfort. Also going to see a fellow named Dr. Mann in California. He literally wrote the book on ankle/foot orthopedic surgery. However, someone will need to do some 'splanin' about how this happened and what can be done about it. Then I'll have to get up the nerve to have more work done. When... Who knows when that will happen. And yes, I was in treatment/therapy 3 days a week for over a year. Chiro, PT, laser, microcurrent, massage, exercises, stretches, self-massage and joint mobilization every night. In the end, Crary told me "to start walking like a normal person". And if you are wondering, NO--I would NOT recommend him for any surgery. Sorry. Just been holding a lot of this inside. Had to let it out. Let this be a cautionary tale. Ann , DC Re: Re:Earth Shoes I agree with the Doctor's recommendation about Ray McClanahan, DPM (He is a podiatrist). I drive to Portland (2 hours) for my appointments. Some of the "problems" I had that went away with the help of Dr. McClanahan - 1. cold feet regardless of how many socks I wore or the temperature outside 2. right knee pain is gone. I woke up one morning, and after doing my yoga, I noticed no more knee pain, even though I have an "official medical diagnosis" of Osteoarthritis in my right knee. 3. No more low back stiffness in the morning when I wake up. I had an acute flareup last weekend. The flareup had nothing to do with Dr. McClanahan's treatment. 4. My left ankle joint only bothers me only when I walk several miles with orthotics, rather than with my toes splayed as he recommends. In fact, my feet, knees and low back feel so good that I started training for a half marathon in October. Eileen Machida, DC 541-740-6424 Re: Re:Earth Shoes I think your recommendation would depend on your intent with the patient. The shoes will decrease back pain in some individuals (often depending on anterior tilt) they may be great to r ecommend. If you are looking to normalize foot function and posture overall, I would stay away from those shoes. Too stiff, and negative heel is not made for human design. I tend to land on the side of Ray McClanahan, MD at NW Foot and Ankle. Normalize foot function. Don't create new compensations in a dysfunctional posture. Check out www.footankle.com for many great articles. I have seen this doc take my own patients out of costome molded orthotics and normalize foot function with great results (and happy patients). He also literally "walks the walk", doing marathons in crocks! Loves chiro's cause we understand normalizing function. Jay Lindekugel, DC Concordia Chiropractic and Movement Center 5425 NE 33rd Ave. Portland Or. 97211 503-287-2273 Dinner Made Easy - Get meal ideas and money-saving coupons! Get Recipe Ideas! Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 That's great news about McClanahan. I was given his name a couple of months ago but had misplaced his contact information. In Jan, '07, I had surgery on my right foot by Dr. Jay Crary, THE foot/ankle guy at Rebound Orthopedics--one of the guys who works on the multi-million dollar Blazers. Seemed like a safe choice. eh? The original pain (one very small focal area of pain) is gone. So he is happy. The surgery was successful as he sees it. The surgery was presented to me in such a 'matter of fact' way, like it was no big deal. A day surgery, home the same day. Very cavalier. I'd be completely off my feet for 2 weeks, then non-weight bearing for an additonal 4 weeks. Knee scooter to the rescue--"You'll be back in your office in no time on that scooter. You're hands will be free so you'll be able to get back to treating your patients." Seems like it was a complete no brainer. NOT. And, yes, I asked a lot of questions. I just didn't get very good answers. Had NO idea about the plate and 3 of the screws. Had NO idea I would even be in a cast. I ended up with a plate and 5 screws in my foot. My first metatarsal is fused and helt together with 2 screws to the first cunieform bone. I have NO movement in my big toe/MP joint. NADA. And to top it all off, he rearranged the flexor and extensor tendons on the second toe. It just sits there--completely stiff with NO reaction to muscle contraction. And, as if that wasn't enough, I now have NO fat pad under the metatarsal heads. Not sure where it went, but it's completely gone. What?? And after being in a cast for several weeks, followed by a boot for several more weeks and scooting around on a knee scooter, everything was a complete mess. I had ZERO range of motion in my right ankle, my right knee was inflamed and painful and my left hip was in screaming pain from shifting my weight the the left leg. In every possible way, my foot is worse. I can hardly stand it (No pun intended). I am essentially crippled unless I wear shoes like Wolky's that have a fairly rigid and thick sole. I literally cannot walk in my bare feet AT ALL. At one point I went back with terrible swelling and discoloration--maybe cellulitis, I thought. When I complained that I was unhappy with the results at that point, here is what the doc on call (THE hand/wrist guy) at Rebound said: "Didn't you sign the informed consent? Didn't they tell you you could DIE from the anesthesia???" Like I was supposed to be grateful because I didn't DIE??????????? The whole experience was horrible. The only good thing about it was that I was on serious narcotic pain medication for a few weeks and I got to sleep through the worst part of that winter. So I will be seeing Dr. McC to get his opinion of what, if anything, can be done to increase/improve function and comfort. Also going to see a fellow named Dr. Mann in California. He literally wrote the book on ankle/foot orthopedic surgery. However, someone will need to do some 'splanin' about how this happened and what can be done about it. Then I'll have to get up the nerve to have more work done. When... Who knows when that will happen. And yes, I was in treatment/therapy 3 days a week for over a year. Chiro, PT, laser, microcurrent, massage, exercises, stretches, self-massage and joint mobilization every night. In the end, Crary told me "to start walking like a normal person". And if you are wondering, NO--I would NOT recommend him for any surgery. Sorry. Just been holding a lot of this inside. Had to let it out. Let this be a cautionary tale. Ann , DC Re: Re:Earth Shoes I agree with the Doctor's recommendation about Ray McClanahan, DPM (He is a podiatrist). I drive to Portland (2 hours) for my appointments. Some of the "problems" I had that went away with the help of Dr. McClanahan - 1. cold feet regardless of how many socks I wore or the temperature outside 2. right knee pain is gone. I woke up one morning, and after doing my yoga, I noticed no more knee pain, even though I have an "official medical diagnosis" of Osteoarthritis in my right knee. 3. No more low back stiffness in the morning when I wake up. I had an acute flareup last weekend. The flareup had nothing to do with Dr. McClanahan's treatment. 4. My left ankle joint only bothers me only when I walk several miles with orthotics, rather than with my toes splayed as he recommends. In fact, my feet, knees and low back feel so good that I started training for a half marathon in October. Eileen Machida, DC 541-740-6424 Re: Re:Earth Shoes I think your recommendation would depend on your intent with the patient. The shoes will decrease back pain in some individuals (often depending on anterior tilt) they may be great to r ecommend. If you are looking to normalize foot function and posture overall, I would stay away from those shoes. Too stiff, and negative heel is not made for human design. I tend to land on the side of Ray McClanahan, MD at NW Foot and Ankle. Normalize foot function. Don't create new compensations in a dysfunctional posture. Check out www.footankle.com for many great articles. I have seen this doc take my own patients out of costome molded orthotics and normalize foot function with great results (and happy patients). He also literally "walks the walk", doing marathons in crocks! Loves chiro's cause we understand normalizing function. Jay Lindekugel, DC Concordia Chiropractic and Movement Center 5425 NE 33rd Ave. Portland Or. 97211 503-287-2273 Dinner Made Easy - Get meal ideas and money-saving coupons! Get Recipe Ideas! Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Eileen, If you look at podiatric philosophy (like chiropractic) Dr Mann is midline to slightly right. Dr. McClanahan is far left. You will likely have very different recommendations. Ted Forcum, DC, DACBSP '08 US Olympic Team Chiropractor ACA Sports Council, President Back In Motion Sports Injuries Clinic, LLC 11385 SW Scholls Ferry Road Beaverton, Oregon 97008 503.524.9040 www.bimsportsinjuries.com The information contained in this electronic message may contain protected health information confidential under applicable law, and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copy or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify Back In Motion Sports Injuries Clinic, LLC at 11385 SW Scholls Ferry Road, Beaverton, OR-97008. and purge the communication immediately without making any copy or distribution. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of bluepearl2001@... Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:51 PM eileen.machida@... Cc: Subject: Re: Re:Earth Shoes That's great news about McClanahan. I was given his name a couple of months ago but had misplaced his contact information. In Jan, '07, I had surgery on my right foot by Dr. Jay Crary, THE foot/ankle guy at Rebound Orthopedics--one of the guys who works on the multi-million dollar Blazers. Seemed like a safe choice. eh? The original pain (one very small focal area of pain) is gone. So he is happy. The surgery was successful as he sees it. The surgery was presented to me in such a 'matter of fact' way, like it was no big deal. A day surgery, home the same day. Very cavalier. I'd be completely off my feet for 2 weeks, then non-weight bearing for an additonal 4 weeks. Knee scooter to the rescue-- " You'll be back in your office in no time on that scooter. You're hands will be free so you'll be able to get back to treating your patients. " Seems like it was a complete no brainer. NOT. And, yes, I asked a lot of questions. I just didn't get very good answers. Had NO idea about the plate and 3 of the screws. Had NO idea I would even be in a cast. I ended up with a plate and 5 screws in my foot. My first metatarsal is fused and helt together with 2 screws to the first cunieform bone. I have NO movement in my big toe/MP joint. NADA. And to top it all off, he rearranged the flexor and extensor tendons on the second toe. It just sits there--completely stiff with NO reaction to muscle contraction. And, as if that wasn't enough, I now have NO fat pad under the metatarsal heads. Not sure where it went, but it's completely gone. What?? And after being in a cast for several weeks, followed by a boot for several more weeks and scooting around on a knee scooter, everything was a complete mess. I had ZERO range of motion in my right ankle, my right knee was inflamed and painful and my left hip was in screaming pain from shifting my weight the the left leg. In every possible way, my foot is worse. I can hardly stand it (No pun intended). I am essentially crippled unless I wear shoes like Wolky's that have a fairly rigid and thick sole. I literally cannot walk in my bare feet AT ALL. At one point I went back with terrible swelling and discoloration--maybe cellulitis, I thought. When I complained that I was unhappy with the results at that point, here is what the doc on call (THE hand/wrist guy) at Rebound said: " Didn't you sign the informed consent? Didn't they tell you you could DIE from the anesthesia??? " Like I was supposed to be grateful because I didn't DIE??????????? The whole experience was horrible. The only good thing about it was that I was on serious narcotic pain medication for a few weeks and I got to sleep through the worst part of that winter. So I will be seeing Dr. McC to get his opinion of what, if anything, can be done to increase/improve function and comfort. Also going to see a fellow named Dr. Mann in California. He literally wrote the book on ankle/foot orthopedic surgery. However, someone will need to do some 'splanin' about how this happened and what can be done about it. Then I'll have to get up the nerve to have more work done. When... Who knows when that will happen. And yes, I was in treatment/therapy 3 days a week for over a year. Chiro, PT, laser, microcurrent, massage, exercises, stretches, self-massage and joint mobilization every night. In the end, Crary told me " to start walking like a normal person " . And if you are wondering, NO--I would NOT recommend him for any surgery. Sorry. Just been holding a lot of this inside. Had to let it out. Let this be a cautionary tale. Ann , DC Re: Re:Earth Shoes I agree with the Doctor's recommendation about Ray McClanahan, DPM (He is a podiatrist). I drive to Portland (2 hours) for my appointments. Some of the " problems " I had that went away with the help of Dr. McClanahan - 1. cold feet regardless of how many socks I wore or the temperature outside 2. right knee pain is gone. I woke up one morning, and after doing my yoga, I noticed no more knee pain, even though I have an " official medical diagnosis " of Osteoarthritis in my right knee. 3. No more low back stiffness in the morning when I wake up. I had an acute flareup last weekend. The flareup had nothing to do with Dr. McClanahan's treatment. 4. My left ankle joint only bothers me only when I walk several miles with orthotics, rather than with my toes splayed as he recommends. In fact, my feet, knees and low back feel so good that I started training for a half marathon in October. Eileen Machida, DC 541-740-6424 Re: Re:Earth Shoes I think your recommendation would depend on your intent with the patient. The shoes will decrease back pain in some individuals (often depending on anterior tilt) they may be great to r ecommend. If you are looking to normalize foot function and posture overall, I would stay away from those shoes. Too stiff, and negative heel is not made for human design. I tend to land on the side of Ray McClanahan, MD at NW Foot and Ankle. Normalize foot function. Don't create new compensations in a dysfunctional posture. Check out www.footankle.com for many great articles. I have seen this doc take my own patients out of costome molded orthotics and normalize foot function with great results (and happy patients). He also literally " walks the walk " , doing marathons in crocks! Loves chiro's cause we understand normalizing function. Jay Lindekugel, DC Concordia Chiropractic and Movement Center 5425 NE 33rd Ave. Portland Or. 97211 503-287-2273 Dinner Made Easy - Get meal ideas and money-saving coupons! Get Recipe Ideas! Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Did you mean www.nwfootankle.com? That's Dr. McClanahan's site. After reading one of his articles, I really like what he says about traditional arch supports/orthotics being unnatural... I couldn't agree more.Jamey DysonOn May 28, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Lindekugel wrote:I think your recommendation would depend on your intent with the patient. The shoes will decrease back pain in some individuals (often depending on anterior tilt) they may be great to recommend. If you are looking to normalize foot function and posture overall, I would stay away from those shoes. Too stiff, and negative heel is not made for human design. I tend to land on the side of Ray McClanahan, MD at NW Foot and Ankle. Normalize foot function. Don't create new compensations in a dysfunctional posture. Check out www.footankle.com for many great articles. I have seen this doc take my own patients out of costome molded orthotics and normalize foot function with great results (and happy patients). He also literally "walks the walk", doing marathons in crocks! Loves chiro's cause we understand normalizing function. Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic and Movement Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211503-287-2273 Dinner Made Easy - Get meal ideas and money-saving coupons! Get Recipe Ideas! Dr. Jamey DysonAdvanced Chiropractic1295 Wallace Rd NWSalem, OR 97304503-361-3949drjdyson1@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Did you mean www.nwfootankle.com? That's Dr. McClanahan's site. After reading one of his articles, I really like what he says about traditional arch supports/orthotics being unnatural... I couldn't agree more.Jamey DysonOn May 28, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Lindekugel wrote:I think your recommendation would depend on your intent with the patient. The shoes will decrease back pain in some individuals (often depending on anterior tilt) they may be great to recommend. If you are looking to normalize foot function and posture overall, I would stay away from those shoes. Too stiff, and negative heel is not made for human design. I tend to land on the side of Ray McClanahan, MD at NW Foot and Ankle. Normalize foot function. Don't create new compensations in a dysfunctional posture. Check out www.footankle.com for many great articles. I have seen this doc take my own patients out of costome molded orthotics and normalize foot function with great results (and happy patients). He also literally "walks the walk", doing marathons in crocks! Loves chiro's cause we understand normalizing function. Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic and Movement Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211503-287-2273 Dinner Made Easy - Get meal ideas and money-saving coupons! Get Recipe Ideas! Dr. Jamey DysonAdvanced Chiropractic1295 Wallace Rd NWSalem, OR 97304503-361-3949drjdyson1@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Yep. Sorry.JayFrom: Jamey Dyson <drjdyson1@...> Lindekugel <pdxchiroguy@...>; Docs < >Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 7:57:57 AMSubject: Re: Re:Earth Shoes Did you mean www.nwfootankle. com? That's Dr. McClanahan's site. After reading one of his articles, I really like what he says about traditional arch supports/orthotics being unnatural... I couldn't agree more.Jamey DysonOn May 28, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Lindekugel wrote:I think your recommendation would depend on your intent with the patient. The shoes will decrease back pain in some individuals (often depending on anterior tilt) they may be great to recommend. If you are looking to normalize foot function and posture overall, I would stay away from those shoes. Too stiff, and negative heel is not made for human design. I tend to land on the side of Ray McClanahan, MD at NW Foot and Ankle. Normalize foot function. Don't create new compensations in a dysfunctional posture. Check out www.footankle. com for many great articles. I have seen this doc take my own patients out of costome molded orthotics and normalize foot function with great results (and happy patients). He also literally "walks the walk", doing marathons in crocks! Loves chiro's cause we understand normalizing function. Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic and Movement Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211503-287-2273 Dinner Made Easy - Get meal ideas and money-saving coupons! Get Recipe Ideas! Dr. Jamey DysonAdvanced Chiropractic1295 Wallace Rd NWSalem, OR 97304503-361-3949drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Yep. Sorry.JayFrom: Jamey Dyson <drjdyson1@...> Lindekugel <pdxchiroguy@...>; Docs < >Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 7:57:57 AMSubject: Re: Re:Earth Shoes Did you mean www.nwfootankle. com? That's Dr. McClanahan's site. After reading one of his articles, I really like what he says about traditional arch supports/orthotics being unnatural... I couldn't agree more.Jamey DysonOn May 28, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Lindekugel wrote:I think your recommendation would depend on your intent with the patient. The shoes will decrease back pain in some individuals (often depending on anterior tilt) they may be great to recommend. If you are looking to normalize foot function and posture overall, I would stay away from those shoes. Too stiff, and negative heel is not made for human design. I tend to land on the side of Ray McClanahan, MD at NW Foot and Ankle. Normalize foot function. Don't create new compensations in a dysfunctional posture. Check out www.footankle. com for many great articles. I have seen this doc take my own patients out of costome molded orthotics and normalize foot function with great results (and happy patients). He also literally "walks the walk", doing marathons in crocks! Loves chiro's cause we understand normalizing function. Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic and Movement Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211503-287-2273 Dinner Made Easy - Get meal ideas and money-saving coupons! Get Recipe Ideas! Dr. Jamey DysonAdvanced Chiropractic1295 Wallace Rd NWSalem, OR 97304503-361-3949drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 McClanahan is my foot doc.. He has saved my feet..Dan Beeson From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jamey DysonSent: Friday, May 29, 2009 7:58 AM Lindekugel; DocsSubject: Re: Re:Earth Shoes Did you mean www.nwfootankle.com? That's Dr. McClanahan's site. After reading one of his articles, I really like what he says about traditional arch supports/orthotics being unnatural... I couldn't agree more. Jamey Dyson On May 28, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Lindekugel wrote: I think your recommendation would depend on your intent with the patient. The shoes will decrease back pain in some individuals (often depending on anterior tilt) they may be great to recommend. If you are looking to normalize foot function and posture overall, I would stay away from those shoes. Too stiff, and negative heel is not made for human design. I tend to land on the side of Ray McClanahan, MD at NW Foot and Ankle. Normalize foot function. Don't create new compensations in a dysfunctional posture. Check out www.footankle.com for many great articles. I have seen this doc take my own patients out of costome molded orthotics and normalize foot function with great results (and happy patients). He also lterally "walks the walk", doing marathons in crocks! Loves chiro's cause we understand normalizing function. Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic and Movement Center5425 NE 33rd Ave.Portland Or. 97211503-287-2273 Dinner Made Easy - Get meal ideas and money-saving coupons! Get Recipe Ideas!/a> Dr. Jamey Dyson Advanced Chiropractic 1295 Wallace Rd NW Salem, OR 97304 503-361-3949 drjdyson1comcast (DOT) net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Does anyone wear Earth Shoes?  If so, how do you like them? Do they help stretch the achilles tendon?  I don't have drop foot or AFOs and mostly wear Crocs, but I was thinking about trying a pair of Earth Shoes. I have great difficulty wearing any type of a heel in a shoe, so I always have to wear very flat shoes. I was thinking that perhaps the Earth shoes would be even better for balance, stride, and tendon stretching, since they have a slightly negative heel.  Any thoughts? Recommendations? Warnings?  Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 , Thisi is my experience. I wore them all during the 60's and early 70's. Besides flip flops, they did nothing for my feet, but made them ache at the end of the day. (besides my 'normal' burn) My dress and casual shoes were far better for my feet, and I did not have the foot ache at the day's end. I learned to stretch my Archilles Tendon (and whole foot in general) through PT, and of course beach walking. Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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