Anybody used MMS for getting rid of toxins?

[Guest guest]

I am curious if anybody has used this. I see alot of people have used it on the

Curezone MMS forum.

I am wondering if it is safe or not?

Thanks

Ann

[Guest guest]

MMS may or may not do a lot of things and is probably a good pathogen killer but

I doubt it does anything for removing toxins.

It's my understanding that when water is treated with chlorine dioxide(MMS)it

will kill bacteria and fungi (although I've heard fungi can build up a

resistance). In the killing process the bacteria releases endotoxins and fungi

release mycotoxins which are not impacted or removed by the chlorine

dioxide(MMS).

I can't find the article right now but I remember reading that a bunch of

dialysis patients died after bacteria was killed in the water treatment process

for their dialysis treatment. They ended up dying from the toxins the bacteria

released.

Please don't take my word for this as I do not have a science background but by

all means fact check by doing your own research.

Sharon H.

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> I am curious if anybody has used this. I see alot of people have used it on

the Curezone MMS forum.

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> I am wondering if it is safe or not?

>

> Thanks

> Ann

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[Guest guest]

....but wouldn't that happen then from any antifungal or antibacterial you would

take, possible death from the toxins released? If they were on dialysis,

perhaps the last straw effect on kidneys. Some things affect the liver, some

the kidneys.

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> MMS may or may not do a lot of things and is probably a good pathogen killer

but I doubt it does anything for removing toxins.

>

> It's my understanding that when water is treated with chlorine dioxide(MMS)it

will kill bacteria and fungi (although I've heard fungi can build up a

resistance). In the killing process the bacteria releases endotoxins and fungi

release mycotoxins which are not impacted or removed by the chlorine

dioxide(MMS).

>

> I can't find the article right now but I remember reading that a bunch of

dialysis patients died after bacteria was killed in the water treatment process

for their dialysis treatment. They ended up dying from the toxins the bacteria

released.

>

> Please don't take my word for this as I do not have a science background but

by all means fact check by doing your own research.

>

> Sharon H.

[Guest guest]

Hi Barb,

I believe you are right about that. I'm going to search again for that article

and I'll post it if I can find it. Apparently they needed to do one more step

with the water and remove the toxins. I believe charcoal is used to filter the

water but darn I need to find that article. For me it shed some light on the

removal of toxins from our water. MMS is a powerful pathogen killer but it does

nothing to remove toxins.

Did you know that chlorine dioxide is used by libraries to kill mold on

historical irreplaceable books? I wish someone with a strong science background

would jump in here.

Sharon H.

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> ...but wouldn't that happen then from any antifungal or antibacterial you

would take, possible death from the toxins released? If they were on dialysis,

perhaps the last straw effect on kidneys. Some things affect the liver, some

the kidneys.

[Guest guest]

This isn't the article but it describes what I was trying to say about toxins.

And it uses a toxin most of us understand if you have read any of Shoemaker's

work - cyanobacterial toxins associated with blue-green algae.

I am undergoing renal dialysis treatment. Am I more at risk than others for

exposure to cyanobacterial toxins?

What are cyanobacteria and how could it affect you in you participate in renal

dialysis?

Cyanobacteria is the scientific name for blue-green algae, or " pond scum. " The

first recognized species were blue-green in color, which is how the algae got

their name. Species identified since range in color from olive-green to red.

Cyanobacteria form in shallow, warm, slow-moving or still water. They are made

up of cells, which can house poisons called cyanobacterial toxins. A mass of

cyanobacteria in a body of water is called a bloom. When this mass rises to the

surface of the water, it is known as surface scum or a surface water bloom.

Although we don't know the extent to which cyanobacterial blooms occur across

the US, we do know they mostly appear in the hot summer months and are quite

prevalent in the prairies.

Just what are cyanobacterial toxins? Cyanobacterial toxins are the naturally

produced poisons stored in the cells of certain species of cyanobacteria. These

toxins fall into various categories. Some are known to attack the liver

(hepatotoxins) or the nervous system (neurotoxins); others simply irritate the

skin. These toxins are usually released into water when the cells rupture or

die. Health Canada scientists are more concerned about hepatotoxins than

neurotoxins, because neurotoxins are not considered to be as widespread as

hepatotoxins in water supplies. Very few cyanobacterial toxins have actually

been isolated and characterized to date. Better methods of detection are being

developed to help us learn more about them, especially to find out which toxins

are a problem and what conditions encourage their production.

While the proposed level of microcystins allowed for drinking purposes will not

adversely affect the health of most people, patients undergoing renal dialysis

treatment may be more susceptible to the associated health risks. Because

dialysis patients receive dialysis two or three times per week (exposure to more

than 300L of water per week), there is potential for dialysis patients to be

exposed to elevated levels of these toxins.

Conventional surface water treatment processes are usually effective in removing

the algal cells, but are not very effective at removing or destroying dissolved

toxins, particularly from supplies that contain high levels of organic material.

Specialized surface water treatment processes can reduce the toxin levels to

below the drinking water guideline, but these levels are still of concern for

dialysis patients.

Most municipal water treatment plants do not regularly look for cyanobacterial

toxins in the water supply. However, because cyanobacteria have strong smells

and tastes and interfere with certain water treatment processes, most

municipalities with a history of blooms monitor their surface water supplies for

cyanobacteria. Once cyanobacteria are detected in the water supply, treatment

plants can remove them in a number of ways. Conventional water treatment

facilities can remove the cells by adding chemicals that bind them together. As

the cells clump together, they become heavier and fall to the bottom of the

reservoir or tank, where they can be easily filtered out.

While this method will remove cells, it will not remove potentially harmful

cyanobacterial toxins. These can be removed using certain oxidation procedures

or activated charcoal. Further research in this area is required. Generally

speaking, chemicals (such as copper sulphate) or any other treatment method that

causes the cells to break down and release their toxins should not be used. The

best way to avoid the problems associated with cyanobacterial blooms is to

prevent blooms from forming. This can be done by reducing the input of

nutrients, such as phosphates, into the water source or by mixing the water in a

reservoir.

If you think your water supply comes from surface water, you or your dialysis

treatment provider, should ask your local treatment plant if this source water

is prone to blue-green algae blooms. If, after contacting your source water

supplier, you discover there may be microcystins in your water, sampling should

be done to determine whether the toxins are in the dialysate (hospitals and

treatment centers may already have additional treatment capacity in place to

eliminate all toxins of this nature). Additional treatment of the water may be

necessary. These treatments can range from granular activated carbon filtration

followed by reverse osmosis to much more complex membrane filtration systems

(e.g., ultra filtration). The extent of additional treatment will depend

entirely on the quality of the municipal water supply.

http://www.freedrinkingwater.com/water_health/health2/exposure2-cyanobacterial-t\

oxin.htm

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> ...but wouldn't that happen then from any antifungal or antibacterial you

would take, possible death from the toxins released? If they were on dialysis,

perhaps the last straw effect on kidneys. Some things affect the liver, some

the kidneys.

[Guest guest]

I believe Dr Marinkovich used vitamin C as a detoxifier. Did anyone that go to

him remember that?

Thanks for the blue-green algae info. I used to buy that in capsules to take

for my health, has been advertised for health benefits.

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> This isn't the article but it describes what I was trying to say about toxins.

And it uses a toxin most of us understand if you have read any of Shoemaker's

work - cyanobacterial toxins associated with blue-green algae.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Ann,

I just joined the group. I just wanted to pass this info onto you since I have

been drinking " holy tea " for about a year now, works great for me. It's a

detoxifier. Read about it if you want at holyteacafe.com maybe it is something

of interest to you.

Steve

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> MMS may or may not do a lot of things and is probably a good pathogen killer

but I doubt it does anything for removing toxins.

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