Varicella question - HELP!

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The chicken pox vaccine was very dangerous for us. I blame it for my son's apraxia.

To: EOHarm From: kimrspencer@...Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 16:57:21 +0000Subject: Varicella question - HELP!

i'm sure i know the answer to this, but does anybody have any reasonwhy a 10-year-old kid with tics should get his varicella booster? TIA!!! Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft.

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1. the chicken pox is a very benign disease. 2. the vaccine might further harm the child. maurinekimsense wrote: i'm sure i know the answer to this, but does anybody have any reasonwhy a 10-year-old kid with tics should get his varicella booster? TIA!!!

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--I would run! If the doc. pushes you tell him to do a titer check,

and while he is at it he can check for all the others your child was

vaccinated against. I am willing to bet some are sky hig.rubella is

common to be sky high from everyone I have spoken with. Including

ones who were given just one! I would aviod the varicella as it is

causing chronic shingles like in the children.

Best of luck!

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Nobody could ever give me a logical reason to get this. In my mind if you want to further damage a child that would be the only reason. Just my opinion. Keela kimsense wrote: i'm sure i know the answer to this, but does anybody have any reasonwhy a 10-year-old kid with tics should get his varicella booster? TIA!!!

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I AGREE, don't do it! Both my daughters had chicken pox as toddlers, the older one before the stupid vaccine was available luckily as I was working and she was in a home-daycare. The kids (5 or 6) there ALL got them, so except for the first couple days fussy days with a temp, they daycare provider was fine with having them attend. She just kept to quieter activities and more resting. There were no fatalities among the 5 children, their families, the daycare provider's family or door-to-door salesmen, to my knowledge.

My younger daughter had chicken pox at 18 months, and I was thrilled! I had made the choice to become an at-home mom near the end of my pregnancy with her, and became much more educated than with my first, refusing the Hep B at birth as I don't shoot up, and unless I am amnesiac or have multiple personalities I'm unaware of, had slept only with my husband for the preceding 12 years, so was fairly confident my newborn did not need this!

So, having had a case of chicken pox, she would not need the varicella shot for entry into preschool/kindergarten. This was good, as there were plenty enough already! But about 4 weeks after she started preschool, at age 4, she came out with a funny rash on one side of her stomach and back, When I took her to a walk-in treatment center the Dr was so astounded at what she saw she called in another Dr to confirm her diagnosis - shingles! She had NEVER seen it in a child that age

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Beth and ALL,

Current data seem to indicate that, if

anything, vaccination with the man-made]

strain of the live-virus herpes varicella

zoster vaccine gives everyone an unnatural

" case " of the virus.

In general, repeatedly injecting a person

with a live virus CAN have increasingly

negative consequences and, except that the

clinical cases are poorly counted as " adverse

effects " rather than cases of the virus,

CANNOT, for the live herpes varicella

zoster virus, REDUCE the risk of a disease

recurrence as SHINGLES.

In layman's terms, because the disease is a

herpes virus, like herpes simplex (which

causes blistering) that, after an outbreak

of the disease, goes " dormant " only to reawaken

as " atypical chickenpox " or " shingles, whenever

the host's immune system is " weakened " below

some threshold level by stress and/or other

disease or medicine.

In the case of the herpes varicella zoster

virus, exposing children to the man-made

" vaccine " strain of the disease is NOT

even highly effective in preventing almost all

children who are subsequently getting the

" native " / " natural " / " wild " strain of the disease

as " breakthrough chickenpox " or " childhood

shingles " -- a condition that was VERY rare

before the national vaccination program was

introduced in the U.S. BUT is now increasingly

common.

The problem is that the suppression of a

recurrence of the virus REQUIRES PERIODIC

exogenous (external) natural exposure to

the herpes varicella zoster virus (for

children, about every 1-3 years; for adults,

about every 5-10 years).

Since the man-made vaccine strain of the

herpes varicella zoster virus is not

transmitted naturally and apparently

is not strong enough to suppress a

recurrence of the native strain in

many cases, the vaccine does NOT provide

the needed exogenous boosting.

Thus, the short answer is the vaccine

MAY NOT reliably ward " off shingles in

children or adults " and its increasing

risk of serious side-effects with repeat

vaccination seems to outweigh the vaccine's

theorectical benefits.

Moreover, the vaccination's lack of

shedding fails to provide the periodic

exogenous (external) boosting required to

suppress reemergence as shingles thus

condeming children to shingles, a disease

that, in nature, was only common in the

elderly prior to the national vaccination

program for chickenpox.

Thus, you have it backwards, it is the

lack of shedding by the vaccinated

children and the ineffective immunity

to all wild strains that condems children

who have had " native " chickenpox or have

been vaccinated with man-made chickenpox

to be at risk of having childhood shingles

-- because they no longer get the needed

periodic exogeneous boosting that was

provided naturally vy the annual natural

cases and is required to suppress recurrence

of the herpes varicella zoster virus as

shingles.

As some have noted, a diet with adequate

levels of vitamin C abd lysine helps

suppress the recurrence of the herpes

varicella zoster virus as shingles.

Furthermore, since the justification

for a national live-virus herpes varicella

zoster vaccination program was ONLY

MARGINALLY justified by Merck on a societal

cost-effectiveness model where ONE dose

would provide 'long-term' immunity WITHOUT

considering the costs of any adverse effects,

there was NO MEDICAL EFFECTIVENESS justi-

fication for the decision to recommend a

national vaccination program and there is NO

SOCIETAL COST-EFFECTIVENESS justification

for CONTINUING this national vaccination

program when a second dose is needed or

for RECOMMENDING any booster dose of the

man-made herpes varicella zoster virus

strain EXCEPT to apparently line Merck's

pockets while robbing the American public

of their health and wealth with apparently

problematic claims of efficacy (NOT effec-

tiveness) and protection when, overall,

the current herpes varicella zoster virus

vaccines provide neither.

If you want the medical truth about this

vaccine, would suggest that you care-

fully read the peer-reviewed published

articles by Dr. S. Goldman and other

independent researchers.

This is one instance where the experience

U.S. data, even with only fractional

reporting of the adverse events and the

establishment's resistance to reporting

a chickenpox case in a vaccinated child,

clearly indicate that the in-use costs of

this national vaccination program greatly

exceed the truly theoretical benefits

apparently claimed by Merck.

Hopefully, this short answer has addressed

the issues and your follow-up research will

provide you the truth you seek about the

man-made herpes varicella zoster vaccine

and its very real risks and lack of the

claimed benefits that the industry used

to get this vaccine added to the national

vaccination program.

For other live-virus vaccines, like polio

(no longer used in U.S. BUT still in use

elsewhere) and the current rotavirus

vaccines as well as the smalpox vaccine,

post-inoculation shedding is a serious issue.

For MMR sheding is a problem but not as long-

term or serious as the prior vaccines and,

ironically, the lack of a significant period

of shedding is actually problematic.

If you have additional questions about the

preceding realities, please send me an

e-mail with your number and a time in the

evening (after 19:00 Eastern Time) to

contact you so that we can discussthe

how the body actually maintains its

immunity to herpes varicella zoster

after an initial infection.

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Dr. King

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PS: As any advocate for safe and

medically cost-effective

vaccines would, I must oppose

the current live herpes varicella

zoster vaccine and would suggest

that the American public DEMAND

that this vaccine component be

removed from all " mandated " state

programs and that it be removed

from the CDC's list of recommended

vaccines in the national vaccination

program along with the INEFFECTIVE

influenza vaccines* AND any other

vaccine that cannot be PROVEN to be

medically cost effective by independent

researchers in studies that include the

underascertainment corrected costs of

ALL vaccine-related adverse events.

* Since vitamin D-3 supplementation

has been shown to be effective as a

PREVENTIVE against ALL strains of

influenza, it would much more cost

effective to ensure optimal Vitamin

D-3 supplementation which protects

against all flu strains and abandon

the current problematic vaccine

strategy that, based on last-years

outcomes and published studies by

independent researchers is CLEARLY

NOT EFFECTIVE!

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At 18:59 5/16/08 -0600, you wrote:

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>I AGREE, don't do it! Both my daughters

>had chicken pox as toddlers, the older one

>before the stupid vaccine was available

>luckily as I was working and she was in a

>home-daycare. The kids (5 or 6) there ALL

>got them, so except for the first couple

>days fussy days with a temp, they daycare

>provider was fine with having them attend.

>She just kept to quieter activities and

>more resting. There were no fatalities

>among the 5 children, their families, the

>daycare provider's family or door-to-door

>salesmen, to my knowledge.

>

>My younger daughter had chicken pox at 18

>months, and I was thrilled! I had made

>the choice to become an at-home mom near

>the end of my pregnancy with her, and

>became much more educated than with my

>first, refusing the Hep B at birth as I

>don't shoot up, and unless I am amnesiac

>or have multiple personalities I'm unaware

>of, had slept only with my husband for

>the preceding 12 years, so was fairly

>confident my newborn did not need this!

>

>So, having had a case of chicken pox,

>she would not need the varicella shot for

>entry into preschool/kindergarten. This

>was good, as there were plenty enough

>already! But about 4 weeks after she

>started preschool, at age 4, she came out

>with a funny rash on one side of her stomach

>and back, When I took her to a walk-in

>treatment center the Dr was so astounded

>at what she saw she called in another Dr

>to confirm her diagnosis - shingles!

>She had NEVER seen it in a child that age.

>

>I'm convinced my daughter developed it

>because of classmates who had gotten

>the varicella vaccination in order to

>meet the school entry law. They must

>be shedding the vaccine for a few days

>after, just as if they had the disease,

>but the CDC makes no mention of that,

>as the " convenience factor " of not

>having to miss work while children are

>sick would be negated if you had to

>stay home after your children were

>vaccinated until they are no longer

>contagious.

>

>So they blame EVERY new case on the

>unvaccinated, or foreigners, while

>never mentioning these very mobile,

>extremely plentiful, highly infectious

>children!

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> Re: Varicella question - HELP!

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>>--I would run! If the doc. pushes you tell him to do a titer check,

>>and while he is at it he can check for all the others your child was

>>vaccinated against. I am willing to bet some are sky hig.rubella is

>>common to be sky high from everyone I have spoken with. Including

>>ones who were given just one! I would aviod the varicella as it is

>>causing chronic shingles like in the children.

>>Best of luck!

>>

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