Re: Re: OT: Food Inc, the movie

[Guest guest]

this really isn;t off topic due to the amounts of mycotoxins that are allowed in

foods like peanut butter or pork.   No wonder I can't eat eggs, have you seen

what they feed them??

K

From: millhouseroad <millhouseroad@...>

Subject: [] Re: OT: Food Inc, the movie

Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 10:49 AM

 

Yeah, it seems as though corn is in almost everything

nowadays. There is

a documentary film entitled " King Corn " that shows just how modern corn

became such a major part of our diet. The film is very interesting and

it was an eye opener for me.

King Corn trailer:

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Pr5HQrgg9mM

<http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Pr5HQrgg9mM>

http://cookingupast ory.com/food- news/food- news-a-conversat ion-with- king-\

corn-filmmaker- curt-ellis- part-1/

<http://cookingupast ory.com/food- news/food- news-a-conversat ion-with- king\

-corn-filmmaker- curt-ellis- part-1/>

Modern corn is a very different from ancient corn. In fact modern corn

cannot even reliably reproduce on its own and it would most likely

become extinct if humans didn't plant it.

http://tinyurl. com/8djco4 <http://tinyurl. com/8djco4>

http://tinyurl. com/7lw8me <http://tinyurl. com/7lw8me>

Plus corn is often contaminated with mold and mycotoxins.

>

> A lot of OT postings lately but I think we all struggle to stay

healthy after mold exposure. This film will probably be coming to a

small independent theatre near you regarding the food we eat. One thing

I was struck by in trailer is statement that alot of the food we eat is

preprocessed corn.

>

> http://www.foodincm ovie.com/

>

[Guest guest]

I have points/questions that would be good for me to have confirmed.

At 11:49 AM 7/19/2009, millhouseroad wrote:

> Yeah, it seems as though corn is in almost everything nowadays. There is

>a documentary film entitled " King Corn " that shows just how modern corn

>became such a major part of our diet.

I was told by someone I trust, that corn is not a major staple, and to not

eat a lot of it. Once a week or so is fine. It's a grain. While the American

Indian ate it, it was their equivalent of bread for hunting trips for

1-2 weeks,

as tortillas would keep that long, if kept correctly in the knapsack,

Corn is not particularly nutritious, not like other grains.

Similar to carrots, eat them rarely compared to other foods.

Carrots are more fiber than nutrients.

So, are corn and carrots to be eaten only once or twice a week?

Favoring more nutritious foods, higher, denser in nutrients, for

fewer calories?

My thoughts are yes.

Feedback?

BTW, most corn, particularly refined corn is GMO, genetically modified.

I eat little refined corn, no corn syrup at all. I have corn flakes for cereal

now and then. Popcorn, too. Otherwise, all my corn is whole kernel.

And only organic cereal, popcorn or frozen, canned, or fresh on the cob.

[Guest guest]

At 03:18 PM 7/19/2009, you wrote:

>

>

>this really isn;t off topic due to the amounts of mycotoxins that

>are allowed in foods like peanut butter or pork. No wonder I can't

>eat eggs, have you seen what they feed them??

LOL I eat a lot of organic eggs. Only organic and free range. The

feed is anything growing

in the yard/range (weeds, grass, flowers, bugs, flies, worms,

....). And rocks. About 1/4th

rocks. Seriously. It aids their digestion by forcing more stomach

acid to be released.

So, yes, what hens eat can drive you right away from eggs. LOL.

And grains as the bulk of the food, only organic grains. No slop for my eggs.

Now, what they feed non organic hens, that is truly appalling, I

would think. :-(

Did you know that 1/10th of all chickens sent to the slaughter die before

arriving? They can not be slaughter, but it happens. And that 1/3th or

so have cancer? If the cancer is " obvious " then the bird is not sold

whole. However, now a days, as of this decade, in the USA, such

a bird can have the 'bad' part cut off and discarded, while the rest

of the bird is sold in a shrink wrap as parts? Thus, 1/3rd of all chicken

sold has cancer, that you then eat? Remove parts of the bird you do

not recognize, like the red globules joined by a fiber, and the bunches

of white globules, that look like fat. Not that you can get cancer from

well cooked chicken, but undercooked chicken, no one knows. Hmm,

perhaps even from well cooked chicken, no one knows.

Point is, never cook anything you do not recognize.

Ditto for putting anything in your mouth, to eat or otherwise.

I only buy whole birds now a days. Less risk of them having cancer.

And only organic free range. Due to exercise, there is less cancer.

Due to being feed organic food, less toxins, less cancer causing

toxins, I eat mostly organic chicken, or rarely trusted other brands.

Though some brands, Rosie, is not organic, or some like 's do

an okay job.

Yes, I do eat chicken at restaurants. They get premium chickens,

though they are not organic. I try for half chickens mostly.

Chicken burritos as well. Sigh. A perfect world it is not.

[Guest guest]

I have read that corn has more mycotoxins than any other food, so you shouldn't

eat corn.

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From: <pete-@...>

Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:54:49 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: OT: Food Inc, the movie

I have points/questions that would be good for me to have confirmed.

At 11:49 AM 7/19/2009, millhouseroad wrote:

> Yeah, it seems as though corn is in almost everything nowadays. There is

>a documentary film entitled " King Corn " that shows just how modern corn

>became such a major part of our diet.

I was told by someone I trust, that corn is not a major staple, and to not

eat a lot of it. Once a week or so is fine. It's a grain. While the American

Indian ate it, it was their equivalent of bread for hunting trips for

1-2 weeks,

as tortillas would keep that long, if kept correctly in the knapsack,

Corn is not particularly nutritious, not like other grains.

Similar to carrots, eat them rarely compared to other foods.

Carrots are more fiber than nutrients.

So, are corn and carrots to be eaten only once or twice a week?

Favoring more nutritious foods, higher, denser in nutrients, for

fewer calories?

My thoughts are yes.

Feedback?

BTW, most corn, particularly refined corn is GMO, genetically modified.

I eat little refined corn, no corn syrup at all. I have corn flakes for cereal

now and then. Popcorn, too. Otherwise, all my corn is whole kernel.

And only organic cereal, popcorn or frozen, canned, or fresh on the cob.

[Guest guest]

At 08:01 AM 7/20/2009, you wrote:

>

>

>I have read that corn has more mycotoxins than any other food, so

>you shouldn't eat corn.

I can believe that. I wash all my food. But that does not mean the

mycotoxins wash off.

I'd be interested if you can recall where you read that. I want to

follow up on that source.

Of course, I'll Google for more, but reading an original source paper

allows me to use the

right Google keywords the first time, to find similar

articles. Thanks for this factoid.

It's very interesting me, worth pursuing, as I plan on eating corn,

per the below info.

But it is *not* going to stop me from eating corn, as a variation of grain.

Variation in diet is absolutely essential for proper nutrition intake.

Regarding a food that has been 'safe " for centuries, and not eating it, due

to modern anecdotal information... weigh this info on your own balance scale.

My decision is to have some corn 3-4 times a week, though smaller servings

than I had before.

The husk of the corn will have the most mycotoxins, and is a problem

with nuts and

removing their covering. I could imagine the same is true of roots, potatoes.

However, fresh corn, picked within a day or two, should have the

least. Frozen would

be best for that. Canned would be second best. Fresh from the store

is going to be

3-4 days old. Frozen is good as within 24 hours now a days it gets

frozen after being

picked. Or canned inside of 48 hours. It also means frozen is more

ripe, as it is

picked ripe, where as supermarket fresh needs to be picked several

days before ripe.

This means the last few days of the plant prepared the " seed " (fruit

or veggy) with

extra minerals, the ripening process, is short cut, meaning the produce is not

as healthy, not as nutrient dense, is literally not as heavy for it's size.

Right now I am eating mostly frozen veggies, but plan on going to 30-40% fresh

by the end of summer, as my time permits.

[Guest guest]

At 09:57 AM 7/21/2009, you wrote:

> no corn for me, in any way shape or forn. for some reason after my

> exposure it makes me severly ill.

I've read in many books now, scientific books, that mold

hypersensitivity, or any type

of hypersensitivity, that during the initial onset, " associated "

molecules can be memorized

by the immune system (read up on how the thyroid works and has

" memory " , that is

once you have the chicken pox, you are immune thereafter), and these associated

molecules can cause the same set of symptoms as the " causation "

molecule (chronic

exposure to spores, mycotoxins), to the same degree of severity.

So, what you talk about is real, and well documented.

>even the frutose in prescribed meds cause severe loss of balance,

Wow. That's good detective work to get it down to fructose.

>thats effecys to the brain. i dont know if that was also the cause

>of severe inflamation in the bowels or if it was a combo of it and

>or the toxin binding process of CSM and costapation,

I've found my constipation was caused by unrefined foods, that needed

processing the day before I ate it. Like oatmeal. Soak it in water for

12 hours, and it destroys a molecule/chemical that causes constipation.

It was wonderful to find that out. And shock that my morning oatmeal

cereal was causing the next morning's constipation.

>but i cant bring myself to try the csm again, even though i have

>have gotten the frutose free kind now.

Given my first paragraph about " associated " molecules, you can evaluate

if that is what is happening, and you are totally correct to not try it again.

Not so soon. Hmm, soon here can mean 'years', or even over a decade.

>being consapated and haveing inflamed bowels at the same time is miserable.

Bloating too? I'm finding bloating is caused by certain foods.

I'm identifying them, to eliminate them. Making a list of each

meal's " food " ingredients, and merge in the 'symptoms', into a

single notebook, can help identify them at the end of the week.

Score the food before each bloating incident, and at the end of

the month, eliminate the 1 or 2 foods with the highest score.

Try it for 2-4 months.

That's the type of food rotation I am finding. That is, after not eating

the offending food for 4 months, I can add it back into my diet, at

1-2 times a week. Then 4 months later I rotate it out.

There are about 10 to 20 foods I do that too.

>there are some foods that end up affecting my brain.

Ditto my first paragraph. I have a list of about 18 food ingredients

that I can not eat.

Every food on that list was part of my " growth " as a chef, in the

house that I survived.

All those ingredients I was experimenting with in the

kitchen. Particularly, the last

two months of my occupancy (hazy recollection).

Food rotation every 3-4 months is what I do now.

Others have to rotate weekly, so I feel lucky.

I tolerate best of all, foods I ate that my mother made the first 20

years of my life.

Any " new " food now... I dislike, that is I have symptoms. I try.

And will keep trying. Kale is next on my list. I know now I must

start with small daily amounts, and skip days, working up to larger

amounts. This allows my digestive system to " learn " what molecules

to build up a reserve for. I can now eat beans every day. Months

ago I could not eat 1/4th can without gas within hours.

>canned goods,

Any " aged " food should be off limits for mold hypersensitive survivors.

Aged foods imply opportunity for fungal growth. Canned is aged.

The fluids certain are " old " , as is the contents.

>exspecially green beans for some reason

I found at the height of my chronic sewer gas exposure

that I could no longer eat green beans, either.

Now, I must limited them. I eat frozen only now.

And only 2-3 times a week. I use to buy fresh.

And eat large amounts 3-4 times a week.

I hope to once again do that, but it's not now.

>and i guess the way they are processed causes a severe chemical type

>reaction or something, it's not good, lind of like food poisoning effects.

I really dislike the long term rotation out of my diet of staples.

It's a hardship, in going to the store, and seeing what I used to be

able to eat. The craving to try it again, perhaps too soon. And when

it's soon, the bad affects it has on me.

It's a long, hard lonely road, we tread.

While I wish you were not on this same road,

I am glad to have company.

I hope my post has given you some hope for recovery, for eating any

food one day.

Pete

[Guest guest]

, This may be yet a different issue but as I understand it back when???

They were messing with the genetics of the corn. FDA or someone came in and

inspected the corn and decided it was not healthy for human consumption and it

had to be destroyed. Well, that caused such an issue because of the lost income

that they decided that it could be set aside as cattle feed. (which makes no

sense because we eat the cattle as well) So it was separated (supposedly) A

couple of years later or so they were still finding this particular corn in the

corn for human consumption.

At this moment I cannot remember " the rest of the story " but this might help you

in key words to search for. I have a friend that is also interested in this

information so I am also doing some searching on the subject. Also it seems like

there has been discussion on the board in the past so a search of the archives

might help as well.

Let me know if that helps.

I can believe that. I wash all my food. But that does not mean the

mycotoxins wash off.

I'd be interested if you can recall where you read that.

[Guest guest]

Hey Jeaninne, Good to see ya again. I hate when I dip out but I do.  I am

interested in this because I have not been able to narrowe down which foods etc.

But I know after the exposure ALOT of things changed. I can no longer tolerate

any kind of alchol and if I try I end up with a killer headache that is one

example of the fermented food group that changed. I will see if I can find it

again but is sounds like a good time to post a link to that female doctor that

had a rather long PDF file on this subject You might remember who I am talking

about??? I will see if I can round up what her name was and find the link.

no corn for me, in any way shape or forn. for some reason after my exposure it

makes me severly ill.

even the frutose in prescribed meds cause severe loss of balance, thats effecys

to the brain.

[Guest guest]

Here are a few articles about mycotoxins in corn. There are many articles on

this topic.

http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/does-cereal-damage-your-in\

testine

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23691709-26103,00.html

http://ncga.com/mycotoxins

http://www.corn.org/mycotoxins.pdf

http://infoagro.net/shared/docs/a3/Univ_Kentucky_mycotoxins_incorn_fusarium%20fu\

ngi.pdf

Here's one about mycotoxins effect on poultry:

http://www.thepoultrysite.com/diseaseinfo/100/mycotoxicosis

________________________________

From: <pete-@...>

Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 3:21:50 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: OT: Food Inc, the movie

At 08:01 AM 7/20/2009, you wrote:

>

>

>I have read that corn has more mycotoxins than any other food, so

>you shouldn't eat corn.

I can believe that. I wash all my food. But that does not mean the

mycotoxins wash off.

I'd be interested if you can recall where you read that. I want to

follow up on that source.

Of course, I'll Google for more, but reading an original source paper

allows me to use the

right Google keywords the first time, to find similar

articles. Thanks for this factoid.

It's very interesting me, worth pursuing, as I plan on eating corn,

per the below info.

But it is *not* going to stop me from eating corn, as a variation of grain.

Variation in diet is absolutely essential for proper nutrition intake.

Regarding a food that has been 'safe " for centuries, and not eating it, due

to modern anecdotal information. .. weigh this info on your own balance scale.

My decision is to have some corn 3-4 times a week, though smaller servings

than I had before.

The husk of the corn will have the most mycotoxins, and is a problem

with nuts and

removing their covering. I could imagine the same is true of roots, potatoes.

However, fresh corn, picked within a day or two, should have the

least. Frozen would

be best for that. Canned would be second best. Fresh from the store

is going to be

3-4 days old. Frozen is good as within 24 hours now a days it gets

frozen after being

picked. Or canned inside of 48 hours. It also means frozen is more

ripe, as it is

picked ripe, where as supermarket fresh needs to be picked several

days before ripe.

This means the last few days of the plant prepared the " seed " (fruit

or veggy) with

extra minerals, the ripening process, is short cut, meaning the produce is not

as healthy, not as nutrient dense, is literally not as heavy for it's size.

Right now I am eating mostly frozen veggies, but plan on going to 30-40% fresh

by the end of summer, as my time permits.

[Guest guest]

At 08:10 PM 7/21/2009, you wrote:

>I can no longer tolerate any kind of alchol

Alcohol has a lot of additional molecule types, naturally created during

the creation process, and people have a name for them. " Taste. "

I've found that I tolerate only a few alcoholic beverages now.

Organic Vodka is good. Tequilla. Rice beer.

Malt or barley or barley malt, a common ingredient in beer, and cognac, is out.

Most wines are out, including desulphured, organic. 1 in 3 wines are okay.

Whiskey is out, but single malt is okay, Glenfiddich.

Before I became MCS, I could not drink only gin and cognac.

>and if I try I end up with a killer headache

That can be a mold hypersensitivity symptom, I read.

I'm not saying in your case that it definitely is.

>that is one example of the fermented food group that changed.

I was told and read (in many places) to not have any aged food.

Fermented is definitely aged. Cheese is aged. Vinegar is.

[Guest guest]

At 08:06 PM 7/21/2009, you wrote:

> hi pete, thanks, i actually had blind food intolerance testing

Oh, another type of test. I'll research it. Given your reactions, it

sounds like you do not need to have it blind at all. You would not

be one to deceive yourself, as you need the information.

>done that dignosed my reaction to corn, by a allergest/aaem listed

>doctor, otherwise i may have never figured it out. i am so thankful

>that just that one test

I feel the same about my 100 skin prick allergy test.

On a scale of 1 to 5, 5 being the worse, measuring for

histamine reaction, swelling, redness, for tomato I was

a 0.5. For legal purposes a patient in California, at that

time, was not allowed to be told about anything less than 1.

I was told about all the reactions, including those that turned

slightly red. I eliminated all those foods and got a great deal

of daily, regular, constant, 24 hour, brain fog relieved.

I'm a big believer in allergy testing. There are now 7 types I have

heard about. 2 or them are not accurate, and 1 gives bad results.

The others should be the ones you get.

>get this testing done.

Get any type of allergy testing done. It's a start. Get more than one done.

I've now had two rounds. Both said I was not an allergic person.

Yet, I did react. Meaning the immune system was not with

IgE molecules, but with IgA and/or IgM, or other IgX types.

IgE is allergy. And allergy is IgE. It's a medical definition.

However, I tell people I am " allergic " as they understand that.

And I do not have to explain anymore.

>i wish i had had more done.

nodding.

>yeast was another tested for, cant remember others. yeat was mild

>compared to corn reaction.

You eat yeast free bread now? And read the ingredient list of all food

you buy, to avoid yeast? And all it's types? Yeast extract,

autolyzed yeast, etc.

>but not a invasive testing, drops placed under the tounge, the

>reaction is that if reactive, the lips go numb

Oh, ouch. That seems like a little severe for testing. To cause numbness.

That's seems dangerous. But if it goes away soon enough? How fast

does the numbness leave? Does that mean you can test more substances

until one causes numbness, and then as the numbness lasts, the

testing is stopped, and you come back in the future, to finish the other

substances?

>also a short memory test is done while under the influence to

>deturmine brain effects.

Wow, you did go all out. Neurotesting is a good addition. It's

expensive, or can be,

depending on who gives the test, the neurologist, or the assistant.

>theres also some smells that make my lips tingle and go numb.

I recommend creating a " list " , and then plan on avoiding those for years.

And add to the list, as you need to.

> sometimes the numbness goes right on to the rest of my body.

Is this just skin surface numbness? Or is it deeper?

Any muscle weakness? And loss of heat or touch?

There are separate nerve fiber types for different nerve functions.

So, these can be big clues as to the cause of the numbness.

Where it is originating, thus treatment of that organ might be good for you.

>i take it that these are exposures to chemical/toxins that have more

>effect on the nervous system.

Sounds like it. The CNS is quite complex, and I have purchased

books, and nerve pathway

diagrams, and read medical books, and anatomy books, and medical dictionaries.

I figured out where mine originated, and researched treatments. Many

treatments

work, either partially, fast, slow, or not at all. So, now I take

Zincum Met 3X and

any sciatica pain down my legs, or weakness in my knees, can be gone

in 5 minutes.

It's not perfect, but it keeps me up and going.

Now, Zincum Met is a zinc sublingual under the tongue and effects the

nervous system.

For nerve pain. Various concentrations can be used for different

nerve symptoms.

But this high concentration fixes most of them. To some degree or other.

Cell salts are good as well.