Re: vitamin/supplements dosing (and mixing and timings!)

[Guest guest]

I would love to know of such a website as well.

Another good thing to know is which supplements can be taken

together. Many ASD kids are taking a number of supplements and it

would be nice to have a central source of information on which ones

can be mixed with others and which ones can't. And also, the timing

of the supplements: with meals, in between meals, bedtime, etc.

Many pill bottles do not say if the supplement needs to be taken

with meals or not.

Is any info on mixing supplements or timings in the CSB book?

If anyone has come across a website or even accumulated this info

and willing to share, I would be most appreciative. I am trying to

get 20+ pills down my daughters throat ever day and it would be

helpful to know if I'm doing it right!

For example, can GSH be taken with Probiotics and Amino Acids and

minerals? Are enzymes OK with B-vitamins? Can Biocidin be taken

with meals? etc. etc.

Thanks for your help,

Jena

>

> Hello:

>

> Is there a website where I cna go to look up the proper dosing for

all of

> the vits/supps.?

>

> Example: Nordic Naturals CLO..........1 tsp. daily

> Nordic Naturals complete Omega 3-6-9 1 tsp. daily

>

> How do I know if he is getting too much vitamin " E " for example

with it

> being in both above and in a multi-vitamin and mag. with vit. " E "

included

> in that also?

>

> Thank you,

>

> Judy

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with Jena and Judy - I would LOVE to have a comprehensive

listing of all common supplements given to ASD kids that included the

following information:

1) Time of day that is best to give it

2) For maximum efficacy, should the daily dosage be split up into 2

or 3 times a day?

3) Should it be given on a full or empty stomach?

4) Should it definitely NOT be given with any other supplements?

Or definitely given WITH any?

5) General dosage per lb. of body weight, or age, whichever is

appropriate.

My kids go to a terrific DAN! doctor, but this is not something that has

ever been provided to me. It would be incredibly helpful to have all in

one place. In fact, this is all I want for Christmas! J

Has any parent out there put this together for their own use?

Yerly

Austin, TX

[Guest guest]

Sounds like a perfect gift to me

Yerly wrote: I agree with Jena and Judy - I

would LOVE to have a comprehensive

listing of all common supplements given to ASD kids that included the

following information:

1) Time of day that is best to give it

2) For maximum efficacy, should the daily dosage be split up into 2

or 3 times a day?

3) Should it be given on a full or empty stomach?

4) Should it definitely NOT be given with any other supplements?

Or definitely given WITH any?

5) General dosage per lb. of body weight, or age, whichever is

appropriate.

My kids go to a terrific DAN! doctor, but this is not something that has

ever been provided to me. It would be incredibly helpful to have all in

one place. In fact, this is all I want for Christmas! J

Has any parent out there put this together for their own use?

Yerly

Austin, TX

[Guest guest]

This would actually be such a holiday GOOD DEED for a DAN! doctor or

DAN! nurse to do for the community. It would save us a lot of

heartache and provide for more effective treatment and prevent loss

of $ spent on supplements/Rxs that are not being utilized to their

fullest.

If anyone knows their DAN! doc or nurse more personally (or even a

DAN! pharmacist), please make an appeal for us! It would probably

be quite an undertaking especially if they can consider all the

additional meds and interventions these kids are taking in addition

to regular supplements (eg, Spirolactone, anti-virals, anti-fungals,

Secretin, etc.). Even the basics would be worth a lot to us.

After 1.5 years of biomedical interventions, I found out that you're

not supposed to take enzymes with probiotics. If we had some kind

of DAN! approved 'cheat sheet' for administering all the biomed

interventions, this could prevent such mistakes.

Whoever would put their time and energy on such an undertaking would

certainly earn the blessings and prayers of a lot of folks!

>

> I agree with Jena and Judy - I would LOVE to have a comprehensive

> listing of all common supplements given to ASD kids that included

the

> following information:

>

>

>

> 1) Time of day that is best to give it

>

> 2) For maximum efficacy, should the daily dosage be split up

into 2

> or 3 times a day?

>

> 3) Should it be given on a full or empty stomach?

>

> 4) Should it definitely NOT be given with any other

supplements?

> Or definitely given WITH any?

>

> 5) General dosage per lb. of body weight, or age, whichever is

> appropriate.

>

>

>

> My kids go to a terrific DAN! doctor, but this is not something

that has

> ever been provided to me. It would be incredibly helpful to have

all in

> one place. In fact, this is all I want for Christmas! J

>

>

>

> Has any parent out there put this together for their own use?

>

>

>

> Yerly

>

> Austin, TX

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

another good one would be " signs of toxicity "

-------------- Original message from " jenadeen786 " :

--------------

This would actually be such a holiday GOOD DEED for a DAN! doctor or

DAN! nurse to do for the community. It would save us a lot of

heartache and provide for more effective treatment and prevent loss

of $ spent on supplements/Rxs that are not being utilized to their

fullest.

If anyone knows their DAN! doc or nurse more personally (or even a

DAN! pharmacist), please make an appeal for us! It would probably

be quite an undertaking especially if they can consider all the

additional meds and interventions these kids are taking in addition

to regular supplements (eg, Spirolactone, anti-virals, anti-fungals,

Secretin, etc.). Even the basics would be worth a lot to us.

After 1.5 years of biomedical interventions, I found out that you're

not supposed to take enzymes with probiotics. If we had some kind

of DAN! approved 'cheat sheet' for administering all the biomed

interventions, this could prevent such mistakes.

Whoever would put their time and energy on such an undertaking would

certainly earn the blessings and prayers of a lot of folks!

>

> I agree with Jena and Judy - I would LOVE to have a comprehensive

> listing of all common supplements given to ASD kids that included

the

> following information:

>

>

>

> 1) Time of day that is best to give it

>

> 2) For maximum efficacy, should the daily dosage be split up

into 2

> or 3 times a day?

>

> 3) Should it be given on a full or empty stomach?

>

> 4) Should it definitely NOT be given with any other

supplements?

> Or definitely given WITH any?

>

> 5) General dosage per lb. of body weight, or age, whichever is

> appropriate.

>

>

>

> My kids go to a terrific DAN! doctor, but this is not something

that has

> ever been provided to me. It would be incredibly helpful to have

all in

> one place. In fact, this is all I want for Christmas! J

>

>

>

> Has any parent out there put this together for their own use?

>

>

>

> Yerly

>

> Austin, TX

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You know what would even be better............ A DAN doctor to do this and

not CHARGE you for it....just a lil paper with the info on it to help us all

out. It is the least they can do with their outrageous

prices..........Maybe, they can do it in the " spirit " of the holiday, the

" spirit " of giving and not receiving..........Sorry, must have had a

" spectrum " moment! To think they would do this for us w/o a fee would be

great......

Judy

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> This would actually be such a holiday GOOD DEED for a DAN! doctor or

> DAN! nurse to do for the community. It would save us a lot of

> heartache and provide for more effective treatment and prevent loss

> of $ spent on supplements/Rxs that are not being utilized to their

> fullest.

>

> If anyone knows their DAN! doc or nurse more personally (or even a

> DAN! pharmacist), please make an appeal for us! It would probably

> be quite an undertaking especially if they can consider all the

> additional meds and interventions these kids are taking in addition

> to regular supplements (eg, Spirolactone, anti-virals, anti-fungals,

> Secretin, etc.). Even the basics would be worth a lot to us.

>

> After 1.5 years of biomedical interventions, I found out that you're

> not supposed to take enzymes with probiotics. If we had some kind

> of DAN! approved 'cheat sheet' for administering all the biomed

> interventions, this could prevent such mistakes.

>

> Whoever would put their time and energy on such an undertaking would

> certainly earn the blessings and prayers of a lot of folks!

>

>

>

>>

>> I agree with Jena and Judy - I would LOVE to have a comprehensive

>> listing of all common supplements given to ASD kids that included

> the

>> following information:

>>

>>

>>

>> 1) Time of day that is best to give it

>>

>> 2) For maximum efficacy, should the daily dosage be split up

> into 2

>> or 3 times a day?

>>

>> 3) Should it be given on a full or empty stomach?

>>

>> 4) Should it definitely NOT be given with any other

> supplements?

>> Or definitely given WITH any?

>>

>> 5) General dosage per lb. of body weight, or age, whichever is

>> appropriate.

>>

>>

>>

>> My kids go to a terrific DAN! doctor, but this is not something

> that has

>> ever been provided to me. It would be incredibly helpful to have

> all in

>> one place. In fact, this is all I want for Christmas! J

>>

>>

>>

>> Has any parent out there put this together for their own use?

>>

>>

>>

>> Yerly

>>

>> Austin, TX

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

OATS testing needs to determine some of this as well to tell you where your

childs levels are, and what is needed. (b6, b12, vit C, toxic load needing

selenium, fatty acids amino acids- or where to look further testing wise to find

what more might help you determine what would help out), hair metal testing can

tell you what you are wasting minerial wise and or low in. liver testing can

tell you if misk thistle would be helpful, titers can tell you if vit A would be

helpful, lycine ect stool tests would show what natural antibiotics,

antifungals, anti parasites, enzymes ect are needed

Recovering from Autism is a marathon

NOT a sprint, but FULLY possible!

Read more about it on my Blogs at

http://www.myspace.com/christelking

Re: vitamin/supplements dosing (and mixing and

timings!)

This would actually be such a holiday GOOD DEED for a DAN! doctor or

DAN! nurse to do for the community. It would save us a lot of

heartache and provide for more effective treatment and prevent loss

of $ spent on supplements/Rxs that are not being utilized to their

fullest.

If anyone knows their DAN! doc or nurse more personally (or even a

DAN! pharmacist), please make an appeal for us! It would probably

be quite an undertaking especially if they can consider all the

additional meds and interventions these kids are taking in addition

to regular supplements (eg, Spirolactone, anti-virals, anti-fungals,

Secretin, etc.). Even the basics would be worth a lot to us.

After 1.5 years of biomedical interventions, I found out that you're

not supposed to take enzymes with probiotics. If we had some kind

of DAN! approved 'cheat sheet' for administering all the biomed

interventions, this could prevent such mistakes.

Whoever would put their time and energy on such an undertaking would

certainly earn the blessings and prayers of a lot of folks!

>

> I agree with Jena and Judy - I would LOVE to have a comprehensive

> listing of all common supplements given to ASD kids that included

the

> following information:

>

>

>

> 1) Time of day that is best to give it

>

> 2) For maximum efficacy, should the daily dosage be split up

into 2

> or 3 times a day?

>

> 3) Should it be given on a full or empty stomach?

>

> 4) Should it definitely NOT be given with any other

supplements?

> Or definitely given WITH any?

>

> 5) General dosage per lb. of body weight, or age, whichever is

> appropriate.

>

>

>

> My kids go to a terrific DAN! doctor, but this is not something

that has

> ever been provided to me. It would be incredibly helpful to have

all in

> one place. In fact, this is all I want for Christmas! J

>

>

>

> Has any parent out there put this together for their own use?

>

>

>

> Yerly

>

> Austin, TX

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Was anyone able to round up a DAN! doc would would agree to do this?

Well, I have a few questions if anyone out there has already inquired and

knows what to do:

1. Are B-vitamins (taken as a complex or individually) best given at bed

time, or with meals, or anytime is OK?

2. Is Oral Glutathione best given with meals or on an empty stomach, or

before bed?

3. Is it OK to mix Enzymes with (the following):

-Olive Leaf Extract

-Biocidin

-Oral IgG concentrate

-Glutathione

-B-complex vitamins

-Amino Acids

-any EFA's (essential fatty acids)

-minerals

4. Is it best to give TMG and minerals on an empty stomach or with food?

I will surely appreciate any response. Maybe other listmates are wondering

the same things?

Thanks for your help (in advance!)

Jena

Judy wrote:

You know what would even be better............ A DAN doctor to do this

and

not CHARGE you for it....just a lil paper with the info on it to help us all

out. It is the least they can do with their outrageous

prices..........Maybe, they can do it in the " spirit " of the holiday, the

" spirit " of giving and not receiving..........Sorry, must have had a

" spectrum " moment! To think they would do this for us w/o a fee would be

great......

Judy

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> This would actually be such a holiday GOOD DEED for a DAN! doctor or

> DAN! nurse to do for the community. It would save us a lot of

> heartache and provide for more effective treatment and prevent loss

> of $ spent on supplements/Rxs that are not being utilized to their

> fullest.

>

> If anyone knows their DAN! doc or nurse more personally (or even a

> DAN! pharmacist), please make an appeal for us! It would probably

> be quite an undertaking especially if they can consider all the

> additional meds and interventions these kids are taking in addition

> to regular supplements (eg, Spirolactone, anti-virals, anti-fungals,

> Secretin, etc.). Even the basics would be worth a lot to us.

>

> After 1.5 years of biomedical interventions, I found out that you're

> not supposed to take enzymes with probiotics. If we had some kind

> of DAN! approved 'cheat sheet' for administering all the biomed

> interventions, this could prevent such mistakes.

>

> Whoever would put their time and energy on such an undertaking would

> certainly earn the blessings and prayers of a lot of folks!

>

>

>

>>

>> I agree with Jena and Judy - I would LOVE to have a comprehensive

>> listing of all common supplements given to ASD kids that included

> the

>> following information:

>>

>>

>>

>> 1) Time of day that is best to give it

>>

>> 2) For maximum efficacy, should the daily dosage be split up

> into 2

>> or 3 times a day?

>>

>> 3) Should it be given on a full or empty stomach?

>>

>> 4) Should it definitely NOT be given with any other

> supplements?

>> Or definitely given WITH any?

>>

>> 5) General dosage per lb. of body weight, or age, whichever is

>> appropriate.

>>

>>

>>

>> My kids go to a terrific DAN! doctor, but this is not something

> that has

>> ever been provided to me. It would be incredibly helpful to have

> all in

>> one place. In fact, this is all I want for Christmas! J

>>

>>

>>

>> Has any parent out there put this together for their own use?

>>

>>

>>

>> Yerly

>>

>> Austin, TX

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Listmates: Just about the time any doc tried to

put out this info, he/she would get many protests from

other docs who would have a different opinion, or from

parents who had been told something else by their doc,

since there are not too many iron-clad rules. I am

willing to give SOME staples of my practice along

these lines for what it is worth:

Knowing moms (and caretaking dads) have something more

to do than give medicines/nutrients at all hours of

the day and night, I generally try to give things in

two big batches twice daily, even if sometimes it

might be optimal to divide something up into 3 or 4

doses. Our kids like patterns, and once something is

done daily and on a regular basis they learn to accept

it more easily.

An exception is:

Amino acid formulations work better if given on an

empty stomach, so these may be better if given first

thing in the morning at least 15min before breakfast,

and when the kids get home from school and before they

start snacking. It is not that easy with kids to have

long periods of empty stomachs!

I mix all the nutrients together and use a syringe to

get them into the child if they cannot swallow

caps/tabs yet. It is important to mix them in dilute

pear juice and give right away; never let them sit

around mixed even if in the refrigerator, as the

chemical exchanges between them might alter the

constitution before they get them absorbed. I give

the B-vitamins along with all the rest of the

nutrients in their twice daily dosing. This includes

vitamins, fatty acids, minerals, MB-12 and folinic

acid (unless it is injected or nasal or sublingual, of

course), anti-oxidants, glutathione, NAC, TMG, DMG.

Since DMG is stimulating, I give those all at once in

the morning - I use the little sub-lingual tablets

that are naturally sweet and give one for each year up

to the best dose, and often give them or any good

chewables last as a reward after pouring many syringes

of mixed nutrients into the child.

The transdermals Authia and glutathione can be given

without regard to meals or other nutrients, usually

twice daily. If something particularly helps your

child relax like glutathione or zinc, of course you

can give it at bedtime. When kids are chelating, zinc

is so important that I often ask parents to give their

child a lone zinc (I like zinc monomethione from VRP)

to make sure nothing else interferes with its

absorption.

Calcium usually is absorbed better with some food.

I use probiotics (usually Klaire) that go along with

their meals, so that one is easy. If you are giving

anti-bacterials, either prescription or natural, they

need to be given two hours away from the probiotics,

or they will kill the good guys off along with the

pathogens. On school days this can be a challenge to

get that first dose of anti-bacterials into them if

you've been told to give probiotics with every meal

including breakfast for this two-hour rule. The 2nd

dose given at bed-time is a bit easier; usually food

is not an issue with the anti-fungals and

anti-bacterials nor with oral or transdermal

glutathione.

Enzymes usually do better given about 10-15 minutes

before the meals, with then giving the probiotics

after they have already started eating. Enzymes can

be a challenge when the kids have to have enzymes

before their lunches at school, though some teachers

are OK with taking care of this. I personally don't

think I would want to combine enzymes with all the

other nutrients - since I usually give them right

before meals, all those other nutrients besides

possibly being changed by the enzymes would probably

affect the child's appetite negatively.

As to dosing, no one would dare try to list this, as

it depends too much upon not only the weight and age

of the child, but their situation (chelating?

suffering with infections? excessive inflammation? -

the particular brand you're using, etc. Basically

this is an art as much as it is a science, and ball

park figures for dosing is about all one can usually

do. For Magnesium and Vitamin C, I will suggest a

dose and say " Per bowel tolerance " as either of these

can cause diarrhea and in very different doses for

different kids. And I do believe in individual

nutrients rather than multiples until kids are well

into their healing, so I can know what is doing what.

Happy New Year! Dr. JM

--- Jena Deen wrote:

> Was anyone able to round up a DAN! doc would would

> agree to do this?

>

> Well, I have a few questions if anyone out there

> has already inquired and knows what to do:

>

> 1. Are B-vitamins (taken as a complex or

> individually) best given at bed time, or with meals,

> or anytime is OK?

>

> 2. Is Oral Glutathione best given with meals or

> on an empty stomach, or before bed?

>

> 3. Is it OK to mix Enzymes with (the following):

> -Olive Leaf Extract

> -Biocidin

> -Oral IgG concentrate

> -Glutathione

> -B-complex vitamins

> -Amino Acids

> -any EFA's (essential fatty acids)

> -minerals

>

> 4. Is it best to give TMG and minerals on an

> empty stomach or with food?

>

> I will surely appreciate any response. Maybe

> other listmates are wondering the same things?

>

> Thanks for your help (in advance!)

>

> Jena

>

> Judy wrote:

> You know what would even be

> better............ A DAN doctor to do this and

> not CHARGE you for it....just a lil paper with the

> info on it to help us all

> out. It is the least they can do with their

> outrageous

> prices..........Maybe, they can do it in the

> " spirit " of the holiday, the

> " spirit " of giving and not receiving..........Sorry,

> must have had a

> " spectrum " moment! To think they would do this for

> us w/o a fee would be

> great......

>

> Judy

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> > This would actually be such a holiday GOOD DEED

> for a DAN! doctor or

> > DAN! nurse to do for the community. It would save

> us a lot of

> > heartache and provide for more effective treatment

> and prevent loss

> > of $ spent on supplements/Rxs that are not being

> utilized to their

> > fullest.

> >

> > If anyone knows their DAN! doc or nurse more

> personally (or even a

> > DAN! pharmacist), please make an appeal for us! It

> would probably

> > be quite an undertaking especially if they can

> consider all the

> > additional meds and interventions these kids are

> taking in addition

> > to regular supplements (eg, Spirolactone,

> anti-virals, anti-fungals,

> > Secretin, etc.). Even the basics would be worth a

> lot to us.

> >

> > After 1.5 years of biomedical interventions, I

> found out that you're

> > not supposed to take enzymes with probiotics. If

> we had some kind

> > of DAN! approved 'cheat sheet' for administering

> all the biomed

> > interventions, this could prevent such mistakes.

> >

> > Whoever would put their time and energy on such an

> undertaking would

> > certainly earn the blessings and prayers of a lot

> of folks!

> >

> >

> >

> >>

> >> I agree with Jena and Judy - I would LOVE to have

> a comprehensive

> >> listing of all common supplements given to ASD

> kids that included

> > the

> >> following information:

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> 1) Time of day that is best to give it

> >>

> >> 2) For maximum efficacy, should the daily dosage

> be split up

> > into 2

> >> or 3 times a day?

> >>

> >> 3) Should it be given on a full or empty stomach?

> >>

> >> 4) Should it definitely NOT be given with any

> other

> > supplements?

> >> Or definitely given WITH any?

> >>

> >> 5) General dosage per lb. of body weight, or age,

> whichever is

> >> appropriate.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> My kids go to a terrific DAN! doctor, but this is

> not something

> > that has

> >> ever been provided to me. It would be incredibly

> helpful to have

> > all in

> >> one place. In fact, this is all I want for

> Christmas! J

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Has any parent out there put this together for

> their own use?

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Yerly

> >>

> >> Austin, TX

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Many frequently asked questions and answers can be

> found at

> >

> <http://forums.autism-rxguidebook.com/default.aspx>

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much Dr. McCandless.

This is going to help us tremendously.

Without trying to be too greedy, I just have one tiny follow up question:

If enzymes need to be given with each meal, multiple times a day, what would

you say would be a reasonable amount of time in between (number of minutes

before or after) giving the enzymes and giving the other nutrient batches?

Thanks so much and Happy New Year.

Sincerely,

Jena

JAQUELYN MCCANDLESS wrote:

Dear Listmates: Just about the time any doc tried to

put out this info, he/she would get many protests from

other docs who would have a different opinion, or from

parents who had been told something else by their doc,

since there are not too many iron-clad rules. I am

willing to give SOME staples of my practice along

these lines for what it is worth:

Knowing moms (and caretaking dads) have something more

to do than give medicines/nutrients at all hours of

the day and night, I generally try to give things in

two big batches twice daily, even if sometimes it

might be optimal to divide something up into 3 or 4

doses. Our kids like patterns, and once something is

done daily and on a regular basis they learn to accept

it more easily.

An exception is:

Amino acid formulations work better if given on an

empty stomach, so these may be better if given first

thing in the morning at least 15min before breakfast,

and when the kids get home from school and before they

start snacking. It is not that easy with kids to have

long periods of empty stomachs!

I mix all the nutrients together and use a syringe to

get them into the child if they cannot swallow

caps/tabs yet. It is important to mix them in dilute

pear juice and give right away; never let them sit

around mixed even if in the refrigerator, as the

chemical exchanges between them might alter the

constitution before they get them absorbed. I give

the B-vitamins along with all the rest of the

nutrients in their twice daily dosing. This includes

vitamins, fatty acids, minerals, MB-12 and folinic

acid (unless it is injected or nasal or sublingual, of

course), anti-oxidants, glutathione, NAC, TMG, DMG.

Since DMG is stimulating, I give those all at once in

the morning - I use the little sub-lingual tablets

that are naturally sweet and give one for each year up

to the best dose, and often give them or any good

chewables last as a reward after pouring many syringes

of mixed nutrients into the child.

The transdermals Authia and glutathione can be given

without regard to meals or other nutrients, usually

twice daily. If something particularly helps your

child relax like glutathione or zinc, of course you

can give it at bedtime. When kids are chelating, zinc

is so important that I often ask parents to give their

child a lone zinc (I like zinc monomethione from VRP)

to make sure nothing else interferes with its

absorption.

Calcium usually is absorbed better with some food.

I use probiotics (usually Klaire) that go along with

their meals, so that one is easy. If you are giving

anti-bacterials, either prescription or natural, they

need to be given two hours away from the probiotics,

or they will kill the good guys off along with the

pathogens. On school days this can be a challenge to

get that first dose of anti-bacterials into them if

you've been told to give probiotics with every meal

including breakfast for this two-hour rule. The 2nd

dose given at bed-time is a bit easier; usually food

is not an issue with the anti-fungals and

anti-bacterials nor with oral or transdermal

glutathione.

Enzymes usually do better given about 10-15 minutes

before the meals, with then giving the probiotics

after they have already started eating. Enzymes can

be a challenge when the kids have to have enzymes

before their lunches at school, though some teachers

are OK with taking care of this. I personally don't

think I would want to combine enzymes with all the

other nutrients - since I usually give them right

before meals, all those other nutrients besides

possibly being changed by the enzymes would probably

affect the child's appetite negatively.

As to dosing, no one would dare try to list this, as

it depends too much upon not only the weight and age

of the child, but their situation (chelating?

suffering with infections? excessive inflammation? -

the particular brand you're using, etc. Basically

this is an art as much as it is a science, and ball

park figures for dosing is about all one can usually

do. For Magnesium and Vitamin C, I will suggest a

dose and say " Per bowel tolerance " as either of these

can cause diarrhea and in very different doses for

different kids. And I do believe in individual

nutrients rather than multiples until kids are well

into their healing, so I can know what is doing what.

Happy New Year! Dr. JM

--- Jena Deen wrote:

> Was anyone able to round up a DAN! doc would would

> agree to do this?

>

> Well, I have a few questions if anyone out there

> has already inquired and knows what to do:

>

> 1. Are B-vitamins (taken as a complex or

> individually) best given at bed time, or with meals,

> or anytime is OK?

>

> 2. Is Oral Glutathione best given with meals or

> on an empty stomach, or before bed?

>

> 3. Is it OK to mix Enzymes with (the following):

> -Olive Leaf Extract

> -Biocidin

> -Oral IgG concentrate

> -Glutathione

> -B-complex vitamins

> -Amino Acids

> -any EFA's (essential fatty acids)

> -minerals

>

> 4. Is it best to give TMG and minerals on an

> empty stomach or with food?

>

> I will surely appreciate any response. Maybe

> other listmates are wondering the same things?

>

> Thanks for your help (in advance!)

>

> Jena

>

> Judy wrote:

> You know what would even be

> better............ A DAN doctor to do this and

> not CHARGE you for it....just a lil paper with the

> info on it to help us all

> out. It is the least they can do with their

> outrageous

> prices..........Maybe, they can do it in the

> " spirit " of the holiday, the

> " spirit " of giving and not receiving..........Sorry,

> must have had a

> " spectrum " moment! To think they would do this for

> us w/o a fee would be

> great......

>

> Judy

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> > This would actually be such a holiday GOOD DEED

> for a DAN! doctor or

> > DAN! nurse to do for the community. It would save

> us a lot of

> > heartache and provide for more effective treatment

> and prevent loss

> > of $ spent on supplements/Rxs that are not being

> utilized to their

> > fullest.

> >

> > If anyone knows their DAN! doc or nurse more

> personally (or even a

> > DAN! pharmacist), please make an appeal for us! It

> would probably

> > be quite an undertaking especially if they can

> consider all the

> > additional meds and interventions these kids are

> taking in addition

> > to regular supplements (eg, Spirolactone,

> anti-virals, anti-fungals,

> > Secretin, etc.). Even the basics would be worth a

> lot to us.

> >

> > After 1.5 years of biomedical interventions, I

> found out that you're

> > not supposed to take enzymes with probiotics. If

> we had some kind

> > of DAN! approved 'cheat sheet' for administering

> all the biomed

> > interventions, this could prevent such mistakes.

> >

> > Whoever would put their time and energy on such an

> undertaking would

> > certainly earn the blessings and prayers of a lot

> of folks!

> >

> >

> >

> >>

> >> I agree with Jena and Judy - I would LOVE to have

> a comprehensive

> >> listing of all common supplements given to ASD

> kids that included

> > the

> >> following information:

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> 1) Time of day that is best to give it

> >>

> >> 2) For maximum efficacy, should the daily dosage

> be split up

> > into 2

> >> or 3 times a day?

> >>

> >> 3) Should it be given on a full or empty stomach?

> >>

> >> 4) Should it definitely NOT be given with any

> other

> > supplements?

> >> Or definitely given WITH any?

> >>

> >> 5) General dosage per lb. of body weight, or age,

> whichever is

> >> appropriate.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> My kids go to a terrific DAN! doctor, but this is

> not something

> > that has

> >> ever been provided to me. It would be incredibly

> helpful to have

> > all in

> >> one place. In fact, this is all I want for

> Christmas! J

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Has any parent out there put this together for

> their own use?

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Yerly

> >>

> >> Austin, TX

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Many frequently asked questions and answers can be

> found at

> >

> <http://forums.autism-rxguidebook.com/default.aspx>

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

20-30 minutes.

--- Jena Deen wrote:

> Thank you so much Dr. McCandless.

>

> This is going to help us tremendously.

>

> Without trying to be too greedy, I just have one

> tiny follow up question:

>

> If enzymes need to be given with each meal,

> multiple times a day, what would you say would be a

> reasonable amount of time in between (number of

> minutes before or after) giving the enzymes and

> giving the other nutrient batches?

>

> Thanks so much and Happy New Year.

>

> Sincerely,

> Jena

>

> JAQUELYN MCCANDLESS wrote:

> Dear Listmates: Just about the time any

> doc tried to

> put out this info, he/she would get many protests

> from

> other docs who would have a different opinion, or

> from

> parents who had been told something else by their

> doc,

> since there are not too many iron-clad rules. I am

> willing to give SOME staples of my practice along

> these lines for what it is worth:

>

> Knowing moms (and caretaking dads) have something

> more

> to do than give medicines/nutrients at all hours of

> the day and night, I generally try to give things in

> two big batches twice daily, even if sometimes it

> might be optimal to divide something up into 3 or 4

> doses. Our kids like patterns, and once something is

> done daily and on a regular basis they learn to

> accept

> it more easily.

>

> An exception is:

>

> Amino acid formulations work better if given on an

> empty stomach, so these may be better if given first

> thing in the morning at least 15min before

> breakfast,

> and when the kids get home from school and before

> they

> start snacking. It is not that easy with kids to

> have

> long periods of empty stomachs!

>

> I mix all the nutrients together and use a syringe

> to

> get them into the child if they cannot swallow

> caps/tabs yet. It is important to mix them in dilute

> pear juice and give right away; never let them sit

> around mixed even if in the refrigerator, as the

> chemical exchanges between them might alter the

> constitution before they get them absorbed. I give

> the B-vitamins along with all the rest of the

> nutrients in their twice daily dosing. This includes

> vitamins, fatty acids, minerals, MB-12 and folinic

> acid (unless it is injected or nasal or sublingual,

> of

> course), anti-oxidants, glutathione, NAC, TMG, DMG.

> Since DMG is stimulating, I give those all at once

> in

> the morning - I use the little sub-lingual tablets

> that are naturally sweet and give one for each year

> up

> to the best dose, and often give them or any good

> chewables last as a reward after pouring many

> syringes

> of mixed nutrients into the child.

>

> The transdermals Authia and glutathione can be given

> without regard to meals or other nutrients, usually

> twice daily. If something particularly helps your

> child relax like glutathione or zinc, of course you

> can give it at bedtime. When kids are chelating,

> zinc

> is so important that I often ask parents to give

> their

> child a lone zinc (I like zinc monomethione from

> VRP)

> to make sure nothing else interferes with its

> absorption.

>

> Calcium usually is absorbed better with some food.

>

> I use probiotics (usually Klaire) that go along with

> their meals, so that one is easy. If you are giving

> anti-bacterials, either prescription or natural,

> they

> need to be given two hours away from the probiotics,

> or they will kill the good guys off along with the

> pathogens. On school days this can be a challenge to

> get that first dose of anti-bacterials into them if

> you've been told to give probiotics with every meal

> including breakfast for this two-hour rule. The 2nd

> dose given at bed-time is a bit easier; usually food

> is not an issue with the anti-fungals and

> anti-bacterials nor with oral or transdermal

> glutathione.

>

> Enzymes usually do better given about 10-15 minutes

> before the meals, with then giving the probiotics

> after they have already started eating. Enzymes can

> be a challenge when the kids have to have enzymes

> before their lunches at school, though some teachers

> are OK with taking care of this. I personally don't

> think I would want to combine enzymes with all the

> other nutrients - since I usually give them right

> before meals, all those other nutrients besides

> possibly being changed by the enzymes would probably

> affect the child's appetite negatively.

>

> As to dosing, no one would dare try to list this, as

> it depends too much upon not only the weight and age

> of the child, but their situation (chelating?

> suffering with infections? excessive inflammation? -

> the particular brand you're using, etc. Basically

> this is an art as much as it is a science, and ball

> park figures for dosing is about all one can usually

> do. For Magnesium and Vitamin C, I will suggest a

> dose and say " Per bowel tolerance " as either of

> these

> can cause diarrhea and in very different doses for

> different kids. And I do believe in individual

> nutrients rather than multiples until kids are well

> into their healing, so I can know what is doing

> what.

>

> Happy New Year! Dr. JM

>

> --- Jena Deen wrote:

>

> > Was anyone able to round up a DAN! doc would would

> > agree to do this?

> >

> > Well, I have a few questions if anyone out there

> > has already inquired and knows what to do:

> >

> > 1. Are B-vitamins (taken as a complex or

> > individually) best given at bed time, or with

> meals,

> > or anytime is OK?

> >

> > 2. Is Oral Glutathione best given with meals or

> > on an empty stomach, or before bed?

> >

> > 3. Is it OK to mix Enzymes with (the following):

> > -Olive Leaf Extract

> > -Biocidin

> > -Oral IgG concentrate

> > -Glutathione

> > -B-complex vitamins

> > -Amino Acids

> > -any EFA's (essential fatty acids)

> > -minerals

> >

> > 4. Is it best to give TMG and minerals on an

> > empty stomach or with food?

> >

> > I will surely appreciate any response. Maybe

> > other listmates are wondering the same things?

> >

> > Thanks for your help (in advance!)

> >

> > Jena

> >

> > Judy wrote:

> > You know what would even be

> > better............ A DAN doctor to do this and

> > not CHARGE you for it....just a lil paper with the

> > info on it to help us all

> > out. It is the least they can do with their

> > outrageous

> > prices..........Maybe, they can do it in the

> > " spirit " of the holiday, the

> > " spirit " of giving and not

> receiving..........Sorry,

> > must have had a

> > " spectrum " moment! To think they would do this for

> > us w/o a fee would be

> > great......

> >

> > Judy

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >

> > > This would actually be such a holiday GOOD DEED

> > for a DAN! doctor or

> > > DAN! nurse to do for the community. It would

> save

> > us a lot of

> > > heartache and provide for more effective

> treatment

> > and prevent loss

>

=== message truncated ===

[Guest guest]

Thanks for doing this. Not many people would take the time to write

so much info and especially on a holiday. Thanks for the time you so

unselfishly give and hope you have a great New Year!

> > >>

> > >> I agree with Jena and Judy - I would LOVE to have

> > a comprehensive

> > >> listing of all common supplements given to ASD

> > kids that included

> > > the

> > >> following information:

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> 1) Time of day that is best to give it

> > >>

> > >> 2) For maximum efficacy, should the daily dosage

> > be split up

> > > into 2

> > >> or 3 times a day?

> > >>

> > >> 3) Should it be given on a full or empty stomach?

> > >>

> > >> 4) Should it definitely NOT be given with any

> > other

> > > supplements?

> > >> Or definitely given WITH any?

> > >>

> > >> 5) General dosage per lb. of body weight, or age,

> > whichever is

> > >> appropriate.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> My kids go to a terrific DAN! doctor, but this is

> > not something

> > > that has

> > >> ever been provided to me. It would be incredibly

> > helpful to have

> > > all in

> > >> one place. In fact, this is all I want for

> > Christmas! J

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Has any parent out there put this together for

> > their own use?

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Yerly

> > >>

> > >> Austin, TX

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Many frequently asked questions and answers can be

> > found at

> > >

> > <http://forums.autism-rxguidebook.com/default.aspx>

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Dr. JM,

Same as Jena I don't want to be greedy but just in constant learning

here and we appreciate your help very much.

If amino acid formulation is to be given at least 15 mins before

breakfast and the enzyme 10 to 15 mins before meal, then we are

giving these two about the same time before breakfast. Is that ok? If

the child drinks a cup of diluted pear juice with the nutrients in

it (Vit, minerals, oral glutathione, GSE, etc) rght away is that

alright or less liquid in the syringe is preferred? Is it alright to

let the probiotics sit in cold food and enzyme in cold juice for 3

hours?

Thank you!

Sheila

> > > You know what would even be

> > > better............ A DAN doctor to do this and

> > > not CHARGE you for it....just a lil paper with the

> > > info on it to help us all

> > > out. It is the least they can do with their

> > > outrageous

> > > prices..........Maybe, they can do it in the

> > > " spirit " of the holiday, the

> > > " spirit " of giving and not

> > receiving..........Sorry,

> > > must have had a

> > > " spectrum " moment! To think they would do this for

> > > us w/o a fee would be

> > > great......

> > >

> > > Judy

> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > >

> > > > This would actually be such a holiday GOOD DEED

> > > for a DAN! doctor or

> > > > DAN! nurse to do for the community. It would

> > save

> > > us a lot of

> > > > heartache and provide for more effective

> > treatment

> > > and prevent loss

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

[Guest guest]

Aminos need to be given on empty stomach and alone and I would not

give with enzymes. When my son was treated and needed the amino

mixture I had to get us up about 30 minutes earlier to get it all in

before preschool. I would literally take the aminos to his bedroom

with me to get him up and give it immediately.. then enzymes right

before the meal and other things during meal and probiotics at the

end or at another time of day. My son was very " set off " by anything

that did not allow him to eat immediately.. very OCD on schedule to

say the least so it was a balancing act in order not to get him into

a tantrum with the " down " time in between things.. the key was to

keep him occupied so he did not realize we were not yet eating. He

could be dressed in about 2 minutes flat and was ready to eat. Dr. JM

had written last night to have 20-30 minutes between the enzymes and

other nutrients so it should work to give remaining nutrients during

the meal. I usually had something that I held out as reward for end

of meal after had taken the nutrients. It did require our getting up

a little earlier and I am not a morning person at all as I work until

about 2-3 AM each AM at my desk but there was no other way to assure

it all got done. The only other suggestion is to give aminos after a

nap or after school before snack and then again at bedtime unless

giving other things like zinc at that time. I also had a period where

I gave aminos in middle of night when I did diaper change and that

worked just fine too.

All the best,

Moderator

> > > > You know what would even be

> > > > better............ A DAN doctor to do this and

> > > > not CHARGE you for it....just a lil paper with the

> > > > info on it to help us all

> > > > out. It is the least they can do with their

> > > > outrageous

> > > > prices..........Maybe, they can do it in the

> > > > " spirit " of the holiday, the

> > > > " spirit " of giving and not

> > > receiving..........Sorry,

> > > > must have had a

> > > > " spectrum " moment! To think they would do this for

> > > > us w/o a fee would be

> > > > great......

> > > >

> > > > Judy

> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >

> > > > > This would actually be such a holiday GOOD DEED

> > > > for a DAN! doctor or

> > > > > DAN! nurse to do for the community. It would

> > > save

> > > > us a lot of

> > > > > heartache and provide for more effective

> > > treatment

> > > > and prevent loss

> > >

> > === message truncated ===

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Amino acids seemed to make our daughter a little hyper so I gave them in the

morning. I also have been on funny schedules to accommodate the supplement

schedule - 4 am, 6 am, 11 pm and a little bit of everything in between. Isn't it

funny that we were considered refrigerator moms so long a go. I don't know

anyone who cares more and does more than MOMS of children on the spectrum.

The best thing that has come our way has been the Daytrana patch. I know it's

very controversial and most kids don't respond or parents won't go that

direction. But, it's been amazing for us. Our daughter has been on Ritalin 10mg.

for years. We switched to the patch and the difference is incredible. The

medicine really works better for our daughter if it doesn't go in her mouth. I

was absolutely shocked at the difference - not just in attention but in recall

and initiation of conversations. I wish everything I had to give our daughter

was in one little patch.

Shari

Re: vitamin/supplements dosing (and mixing and

timings!)

Aminos need to be given on empty stomach and alone and I would not

give with enzymes. When my son was treated and needed the amino

mixture I had to get us up about 30 minutes earlier to get it all in

before preschool. I would literally take the aminos to his bedroom

with me to get him up and give it immediately.. then enzymes right

before the meal and other things during meal and probiotics at the

end or at another time of day. My son was very " set off " by anything

that did not allow him to eat immediately.. very OCD on schedule to

say the least so it was a balancing act in order not to get him into

a tantrum with the " down " time in between things.. the key was to

keep him occupied so he did not realize we were not yet eating. He

could be dressed in about 2 minutes flat and was ready to eat. Dr. JM

had written last night to have 20-30 minutes between the enzymes and

other nutrients so it should work to give remaining nutrients during

the meal. I usually had something that I held out as reward for end

of meal after had taken the nutrients. It did require our getting up

a little earlier and I am not a morning person at all as I work until

about 2-3 AM each AM at my desk but there was no other way to assure

it all got done. The only other suggestion is to give aminos after a

nap or after school before snack and then again at bedtime unless

giving other things like zinc at that time. I also had a period where

I gave aminos in middle of night when I did diaper change and that

worked just fine too.

All the best,

Moderator

> > > > You know what would even be

> > > > better............ A DAN doctor to do this and

> > > > not CHARGE you for it....just a lil paper with the

> > > > info on it to help us all

> > > > out. It is the least they can do with their

> > > > outrageous

> > > > prices..........Maybe, they can do it in the

> > > > " spirit " of the holiday, the

> > > > " spirit " of giving and not

> > > receiving..........Sorry,

> > > > must have had a

> > > > " spectrum " moment! To think they would do this for

> > > > us w/o a fee would be

> > > > great......

> > > >

> > > > Judy

> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > >

> > > > > This would actually be such a holiday GOOD DEED

> > > > for a DAN! doctor or

> > > > > DAN! nurse to do for the community. It would

> > > save

> > > > us a lot of

> > > > > heartache and provide for more effective

> > > treatment

> > > > and prevent loss

> > >

> > === message truncated ===

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi.. I will google this but can you tell us more about the Daytrana

patch? Thanks and glad you have had good luck!

> > > > > You know what would even be

> > > > > better............ A DAN doctor to do this and

> > > > > not CHARGE you for it....just a lil paper with the

> > > > > info on it to help us all

> > > > > out. It is the least they can do with their

> > > > > outrageous

> > > > > prices..........Maybe, they can do it in the

> > > > > " spirit " of the holiday, the

> > > > > " spirit " of giving and not

> > > > receiving..........Sorry,

> > > > > must have had a

> > > > > " spectrum " moment! To think they would do this for

> > > > > us w/o a fee would be

> > > > > great......

> > > > >

> > > > > Judy

> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > > >

> > > > > > This would actually be such a holiday GOOD DEED

> > > > > for a DAN! doctor or

> > > > > > DAN! nurse to do for the community. It would

> > > > save

> > > > > us a lot of

> > > > > > heartache and provide for more effective

> > > > treatment

> > > > > and prevent loss

> > > >

> > > === message truncated ===

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Daytrana is Ritalin in a patch form. The patches are difficult to peel unless

you refrigerate them for about 2 minutes before applying but they work for our

daughter. Neathery has taken 10 mg. Ritalin orally for years. The pediatrician

prescribed the patch in 10 mg, also. The patch delivers 1.1mg of medicine per

hour and should be worn for 9 hours. I thought it wouldn't work at all with only

1.1mg being delivered. I was so wrong. It should be applied 2 hours before you

need it so the medicine can get into the blood stream. I'm very pleased with the

results. I'm giving her the pills on her off days from school - but it has

really been amazing to see the difference in the way the same MG of medicine

works using a patch. The directions say to put the patch on the hip but tried

that and she kept pulling at it when she would pull her pants on and off. I put

it on her side - rib cage - and it works great. It's also good because I don't

have to worry when to give her meals. She can eat any time and it doesn't affect

the absorption of medicine.

Shari

Re: vitamin/supplements dosing (and mixing and

timings!)

Hi.. I will google this but can you tell us more about the Daytrana

patch? Thanks and glad you have had good luck!

> > > > > You know what would even be

> > > > > better............ A DAN doctor to do this and

> > > > > not CHARGE you for it....just a lil paper with the

> > > > > info on it to help us all

> > > > > out. It is the least they can do with their

> > > > > outrageous

> > > > > prices..........Maybe, they can do it in the

> > > > > " spirit " of the holiday, the

> > > > > " spirit " of giving and not

> > > > receiving..........Sorry,

> > > > > must have had a

> > > > > " spectrum " moment! To think they would do this for

> > > > > us w/o a fee would be

> > > > > great......

> > > > >

> > > > > Judy

> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > > >

> > > > > > This would actually be such a holiday GOOD DEED

> > > > > for a DAN! doctor or

> > > > > > DAN! nurse to do for the community. It would

> > > > save

> > > > > us a lot of

> > > > > > heartache and provide for more effective

> > > > treatment

> > > > > and prevent loss

> > > >

> > > === message truncated ===

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What is ideal and what is realistic are not always the

same; many parents keep the enzymes at the table and

manage to get them down before the child starts

eating, and that seems to work all right, even though

a few minutes before is best. A nice pattern for some

kids if you are so inclined is to have a ritualn of

the child taking the enzymes and then saying the

blessing before diving in. Kids learn they have to

have the enzymes first and will ask for them so they

can start eating. We just do what we can do, as there

are only so many minutes in a morning-before-school

period.

You just need to make the solution dilute enough so

you can give it in the syringe or cup, as most of the

nutrients are in powder form. As long as there is no

protein in the drink it is OK.

As to the probiotics, they are designed to open when

the gastric juices hit them - I would not put them in

food beforehand, because if sitting in fluid they open

and the effectiveness may be gone or at least

diminished. As I said, I don't think anything should

sit around in fluids (even cold fluids) more than

momentarily as you're mixing. Dr. JM

--- teybarako wrote:

> Dear Dr. JM,

>

> Same as Jena I don't want to be greedy but just in

> constant learning

> here and we appreciate your help very much.

>

> If amino acid formulation is to be given at least 15

> mins before

> breakfast and the enzyme 10 to 15 mins before meal,

> then we are

> giving these two about the same time before

> breakfast. Is that ok? If

> the child drinks a cup of diluted pear juice with

> the nutrients in

> it (Vit, minerals, oral glutathione, GSE, etc) rght

> away is that

> alright or less liquid in the syringe is preferred?

> Is it alright to

> let the probiotics sit in cold food and enzyme in

> cold juice for 3

> hours?

>

> Thank you!

> Sheila

>

>

> > > Dear Listmates: Just about the time

> any

> > > doc tried to

> > > put out this info, he/she would get many

> protests

> > > from

> > > other docs who would have a different opinion,

> or

> > > from

> > > parents who had been told something else by

> their

> > > doc,

> > > since there are not too many iron-clad rules. I

> am

> > > willing to give SOME staples of my practice

> along

> > > these lines for what it is worth:

> > >

> > > Knowing moms (and caretaking dads) have

> something

> > > more

> > > to do than give medicines/nutrients at all hours

> of

> > > the day and night, I generally try to give

> things in

> > > two big batches twice daily, even if sometimes

> it

> > > might be optimal to divide something up into 3

> or 4

> > > doses. Our kids like patterns, and once

> something is

> > > done daily and on a regular basis they learn to

> > > accept

> > > it more easily.

> > >

> > > An exception is:

> > >

> > > Amino acid formulations work better if given on

> an

> > > empty stomach, so these may be better if given

> first

> > > thing in the morning at least 15min before

> > > breakfast,

> > > and when the kids get home from school and

> before

> > > they

> > > start snacking. It is not that easy with kids to

> > > have

> > > long periods of empty stomachs!

> > >

> > > I mix all the nutrients together and use a

> syringe

> > > to

> > > get them into the child if they cannot swallow

> > > caps/tabs yet. It is important to mix them in

> dilute

> > > pear juice and give right away; never let them

> sit

> > > around mixed even if in the refrigerator, as the

> > > chemical exchanges between them might alter the

> > > constitution before they get them absorbed. I

> give

> > > the B-vitamins along with all the rest of the

> > > nutrients in their twice daily dosing. This

> includes

> > > vitamins, fatty acids, minerals, MB-12 and

> folinic

> > > acid (unless it is injected or nasal or

> sublingual,

> > > of

> > > course), anti-oxidants, glutathione, NAC, TMG,

> DMG.

> > > Since DMG is stimulating, I give those all at

> once

> > > in

> > > the morning - I use the little sub-lingual

> tablets

> > > that are naturally sweet and give one for each

> year

> > > up

> > > to the best dose, and often give them or any

> good

> > > chewables last as a reward after pouring many

> > > syringes

> > > of mixed nutrients into the child.

> > >

> > > The transdermals Authia and glutathione can be

> given

> > > without regard to meals or other nutrients,

> usually

> > > twice daily. If something particularly helps

> your

> > > child relax like glutathione or zinc, of course

> you

> > > can give it at bedtime. When kids are chelating,

> > > zinc

> > > is so important that I often ask parents to give

> > > their

> > > child a lone zinc (I like zinc monomethione from

> > > VRP)

> > > to make sure nothing else interferes with its

> > > absorption.

> > >

> > > Calcium usually is absorbed better with some

> food.

> > >

> > > I use probiotics (usually Klaire) that go along

> with

> > > their meals, so that one is easy. If you are

> giving

> > > anti-bacterials, either prescription or natural,

> > > they

> > > need to be given two hours away from the

> probiotics,

> > > or they will kill the good guys off along with

> the

> > > pathogens. On school days this can be a

> challenge to

> > > get that first dose of anti-bacterials into them

> if

> > > you've been told to give probiotics with every

> meal

> > > including breakfast for this two-hour rule. The

> 2nd

> > > dose given at bed-time is a bit easier; usually

> food

> > > is not an issue with the anti-fungals and

> > > anti-bacterials nor with oral or transdermal

> > > glutathione.

> > >

> > > Enzymes usually do better given about 10-15

> minutes

> > > before the meals, with then giving the

> probiotics

> > > after they have already started eating. Enzymes

> can

> > > be a challenge when the kids have to have

> enzymes

> > > before their lunches at school, though some

> teachers

> > > are OK with taking care of this. I personally

> don't

> > > think I would want to combine enzymes with all

> the

> > > other nutrients - since I usually give them

> right

> > > before meals, all those other nutrients besides

> > > possibly being changed by the enzymes would

> probably

>

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[Guest guest]

Dr. JM, thank you SO much for putting together this list. It is very

helpful, and something I will refer to often. Thanks also, , for

posting it to the website so I can find it again when I lose it! J

Yerly

Austin, TX