Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 > I don't know , and I am interested in learning about all approaches that people think have merit, please do tell about your experience with and his approach if you found it helpful. The approach is based on the fact that for some people, mold illness is like the reaction that other individuals have to peanuts or latex. An almost infinitesimal amount of it can cause a huge reaction that can keep people wholly ill. After I moved out of my moldy house, suggested that I put aside all my stuff. I decided to give it a try. After two weeks, I found that I couldn't go near the stuff at all. Washed clothing made my heart beat fast. Rooting around in my purse caused a burn on my hand that lasted for a week. Putting on my winter coat caused me to have to pull over to the side of the road and vomit repeatedly before making my way back home. & #8232; & #8232;(After I showered and changed my clothes, I recovered.) If indeed people react to mold as I did, moving out of a really moldy house isn't going to be enough to make a big difference in their health. Certainly it's better than not moving though! No one should be living in a moldy house, regardless of their genotype or current health status. Taking mold avoidance to the extremes that some other people and I have isn't for everyone. It takes a lot of effort and commitment. But I personally think that the lower that people can get their mold exposures, the more likely other treatments are to work. It's not all or nothing.....it's just a way to push. The core of avoidance is what I realized after I moved out of my house and put my possessions aside. After a " break " (or " sabbatical " ) from mold, the body recognizes it as a bad thing and objects to its being reintroduced. This information means that it can be avoided. Thus, the more that Moldies can get away from mold, the better they can become at avoiding it in the future. Obviously people want to stay away from bad buildings. But contaminated objects and places with bad outdoor air can be problematic enough to keep people ill, if they're reactive enough to this stuff. If you've noticed that you feel better in summer than in winter, or that you feel better in certain places than in others, that's a clue that you indeed are influenced by outdoor mold. Unfortunately, toxic mold (probably especially stachybotrys) is very " sticky. " The amount of mold sticking to my hair and clothing after visiting a bad place would be enough to keep me sick for the rest of the day, if I didn't wash my hair and change my clothes. By doing that one stupid thing, I can maintain wellness AND go into bad buildings for short periods of time. So avoidance (staying away from objects, buildings and bad outdoor areas) and decontamination (washing oneself and objects that are exposed briefly to mold) are two parts of the strategy. The third part is what I would call " compensation. " If I can get really clear of mold for certain periods of time, I can tolerate a lot more the rest of the time. If I sleep in a good place, I can spend the day in a much worse place. If I spend a few nights a week in a pristine environment (e.g. out in the wilderness), I'm better able to spend the rest of the time in the city. & #8232;Just an hour a day in a good place makes a huge difference. For instance, Phoenix/sdale is not a good place in general. But Taliesin West in sdale is on top of a hill overlooking the city, and the air there has been great when I've visited. If I lived in sdale, I would make every attempt to have lunch on the patio at Taliesin every single day.....because doing so would give me a lot more ability to be able to survive in the city the rest of the time. As with all ways of addressing mold illness, getting well isn't necessarily instantaneous. The system needs time to detox and regain its strength. For those whose mold illness has progressed to CFS, infections will need time to clear. I don't think of this as an " either/or " with other treatments. I think of it as a base of health, to make other treatments work better. I can't say that it will work for everyone, and it's not medical advice. I'm just saying that it seems to have worked well for people who have given it a real try. Best, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 hehe, thanks for the laugh. The approach is based on the fact that for some people, mold illness is like the reaction that other individuals have to peanuts or latex. An almost infinitesimal amount of it can cause a huge reaction that can keep people wholly ill. > > After I moved out of my moldy house, suggested that I put aside all my stuff. I decided to give it a try. > > After two weeks, I found that I couldn't go near the stuff at all. Washed clothing made my heart beat fast. Rooting around in my purse caused a burn on my hand that lasted for a week. Putting on my winter coat caused me to have to pull over to the side of the road and vomit repeatedly before making my way back home. > > & #8232; & #8232;(After I showered and changed my clothes, I recovered.) > > If indeed people react Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Group, I responded privately to (Slaya) and after e-mail exhanges she gave me permission to FWD it to the group. (below) Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC --- , Excellent description and suggestions. What I'd like to add relates to the following of what you said: * The core of avoidance is what I realized after I moved out of my house and put my possessions aside. After a " break " (or " sabbatical " ) from mold, the body recognizes it as a bad thing and objects to its being reintroduced. This information means that it can be avoided. * Thus, the more that Moldies can get away from mold, the better they can become at avoiding it in the future. My comment is that each of us reacts to different levels of mold and types of mold at different times. The " break " you mention may be a few hours for one person, a few days for another, or months (or years) for someone more impacted. But definitely the more avoidance the better. Because with constant exposure we " forget " and our body becomes " masked " to what it is like to be mold free. So we stay in a place which harms us. It's so important to stop the exposure either by removing the mold or removing ourselves from the mold. Without that we can't recover any better than if we were in the boxing ring with Mike Tyson and he kept hitting us. One of us has to go and if it isn't him, then it's us. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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