Re[2]: Re: Scammers.....Lourdes

[Guest guest]

So why hasn't anyone reported this cretin yet?

Barth

www.presenting.net/sbs/sbs.html

SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html

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nac> 1. Guilty of claiming to be a non-profit and trying to obtain $ that way

nac> 2. ning an auto accident to elicit $

nac> 3. Orgnaizations DO NOT have presidents who are not viable or who hide

themselves. this is not a person with a chat ID but one electing to claim to be

in a power of management

nac> 4. Creating online biz where thefunds do not serve the targeted population

nac> How is that for starters?

nac> At least MAy is public and does not hide in the shadows like a theif

in the night.

[Guest guest]

May is wanted in 14 states?

From: Patilla DaHun <glypella@...>

Subject: Re[2]: [] Re: Scammers.....Lourdes

" ntefusa@... " < >

Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 2:59 PM

So why hasn't anyone reported this cretin yet?

Barth

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nac> 1. Guilty of claiming to be a non-profit and trying to obtain $ that way

nac> 2. ning an auto accident to elicit $

nac> 3. Orgnaizations DO NOT have presidents who are not viable or who hide

themselves. this is not a person with a chat ID but one electing to claim to be

in a power of management

nac> 4. Creating online biz where thefunds do not serve the targeted population

nac> How is that for starters?

nac> At least MAy is public and does not hide in the shadows like a theif

in the night.

[Guest guest]

The FBI and IRS have been notified from what I was told...you are dealing with a

ghost who has nothing tied to a 'proerty', uses wifi, skype phone....this is NOT

a normal person this is a spy for a corporation/industry with the high level of

firewall proection

Re[2]: [] Re: Scammers.....Lourdes

So why hasn't anyone reported this cretin yet?

Barth

www.presenting.net/sbs/sbs.html

SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html

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nac> 1. Guilty of claiming to be a non-profit and trying to obtain $ that way

nac> 2. ning an auto accident to elicit $

nac> 3. Orgnaizations DO NOT have presidents who are not viable or who hide

themselves. this is not a person with a chat ID but one electing to claim to be

in a power of management

nac> 4. Creating online biz where thefunds do not serve the targeted population

nac> How is that for starters?

nac> At least MAy is public and does not hide in the shadows like a theif

in the night.

[Guest guest]

Oh, somethiong is rotten in the state of Denmark. If she is being used as a

expert witness in a court of law, opposing counsel will do background checks

prior to deposing a ex witness. one would think that even the dumbest atty

could find this out and report it to the authorities.

Re[2]: [] Re: Scammers.....Lourdes

" ntefusa@... " < >

Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 2:59 PM

So why hasn't anyone reported this cretin yet?

Barth

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[Guest guest]

Angel,

While I agree with you that there is something not quite right about the

Lourdes Salvador situation, there is no evidence what so ever that this is a

person who serves as an expert witness in litigation. I think it is not

correct to surmise or promote the idea that she is.

I know that your reasoning of why she is a detriment is because a diagnosis

of MCS is sure to get a case thrown out. However, that is no longer the

case. MCS is now recognized as a legitimate diagnosis that can be

triggered by an original environmental exposure.

I can find no holes in her logic or understanding of the illnesses.

Where the problem lays for Lourdes is that she has claimed to be a

non-profit (no longer on her website), while selling products to the

environmentally ill. She has also submitted letters government officials while

citing a

false address and false board of directors for a non existent, non profit.

But judging from her writings I don't see where she is promoting a position

that is favorable to the defense.

I am not as well versed on the subject of MCS as you are. So maybe I am

missing something?

Sharon

n a message dated 12/11/2009 4:45:34 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

ntefusa@... writes:

Oh, somethiong is rotten in the state of Denmark. If she is being used as

a expert witness in a court of law, opposing counsel will do background

checks prior to deposing a ex witness. one would think that even the dumbest

atty could find this out and report it to the authorities.

[Guest guest]

So, is there any evidence that members of her chatgroup have had

information they shared used against them in litigation?

Don't get me wrong. I know there is something off kelter about Lourdes

Salvador and her true identity - I have saved emails from " board members " of

her " non-profit " to prove this - but I have not seen any evidence of her

being an information gatherer for the defense.

And although that may be the case, I don't think you can make that

statement without providing a link from A to B to substantiate this.

Also, practicing medicine without a license is not a correct

statement. He always states that he is not a medical doctor when explaining

what

has worked for him and what he has learned on his own.

We have be careful. We have enough bonified and well documented " experts "

who help the defense through questionable means. We have some in our

midst that prey on the sick and injured by " befriending " them for fun and

profit, like May.

Although I don't always agree with , I would NEVER put him in the

category of one doing harm to the sick and injured, or say that he is practicing

medicine without a license. He has helped a lot of people thru his

uncommon wisdom of uncommon personal experience. There is no doubt that 's

motivations are honorable and he does not hide that he is not a physician.

Sal, on the other hand. I am still trying to figure out her gig. I can

find no errors in what she writes of the science. So why is she sooooooooo

incognito is the question. Could be personal reasons. Could be a

confidentiality agreement somewhere. Or...could be something else.

In a message dated 12/11/2009 2:38:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

ntefusa@... writes:

Sharons:

Before I answer can you look up and read up on sockpuppets and facegroups.

Con people gain your 'trust' confidence by being your friend and thats how

they get information. That I think is what you are missing. This is in NO

way a single person, especially at the level she is writing, reading

massive # emails, writing press rleeases.

Rememeber I was a PI and I know how these things are 'created' and how

they have heavy duty layers of protection that people are unable via normal

venues/methods to break thru.

Its also ALL the PERSONAL info that she REQUIRES to be on her discussion

group, that is NOT normal especially for some in a managerial postion on the

internet.

[Guest guest]

Not likely. Renata Zilch is a pseudonym specific to the mold issue. It is

a high level risk manager with ties to the CDC.

_http://skepticreport.com/sr/?s=renata+zilch_

(http://skepticreport.com/sr/?s=renata+zilch)

In a message dated 12/11/2009 7:10:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

brianc8452@... writes:

Maybe Lourdes Salvador is the same person who used to be called Renata

Zilch.

[Guest guest]

Sharons:

Before I answer can you look up and read up on sockpuppets and facegroups.

Con people gain your 'trust' confidence by being your friend and thats how they

get information. That I think is what you are missing. This is in NO way a

single person, especially at the level she is writing, reading massive # emails,

writing press rleeases.

Rememeber I was a PI and I know how these things are 'created' and how they have

heavy duty layers of protection that people are unable via normal venues/methods

to break thru.

Its also ALL the PERSONAL info that she REQUIRES to be on her discussion group,

that is NOT normal especially for some in a managerial postion on the internet.

Re: Re[2]: [] Re: Scammers.....Lourdes

Angel,

While I agree with you that there is something not quite right about the

Lourdes Salvador situation, there is no evidence what so ever that this is a

person who serves as an expert witness in litigation. I think it is not

correct to surmise or promote the idea that she is.

[Guest guest]

Sharon we went weeks over a year ago over her. I am not going to publicy put

out info on what is going on behind the scenes regarding her, thats that. It's

being worked on and things will eventually come to light.

As for the 'defense' thing, that is part of what you will not be informed about,

nor anyone in a public venue unless they are part of the 'workers' who are doing

the behind the scenes 'investigation'. If our suspeicions are right, it is a

major industry that has legal implications associated with it. As I stated

previously, they have a hard core fire wall that will take time to get through,

but, they are slowly chipping away at it.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but, this issue is way beyond what you

have even been exposed in all that backdoor ruckus over a year ago, nor am I at

liberty to tell anything about the 'findings' such as they are.

She is DEFENSE, on a fishing mission and leave it at that.

Re: Re[2]: [] Re: Scammers.....Lourdes

So, is there any evidence that members of her chatgroup have had

information they shared used against them in litigation?

Don't get me wrong. I know there is something off kelter about Lourdes

Salvador and her true identity - I have saved emails from " board members " of

her " non-profit " to prove this - but I have not seen any evidence of her

being an information gatherer for the defense.

[Guest guest]

Maybe Lourdes Salvador is the same person who used to be called Renata Zilch.

________________________________

From: " snk1955@... " <snk1955@...>

Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 3:01:57 PM

Subject: Re: Re[2]: [] Re: Scammers.....Lourdes

So, is there any evidence that members of her chatgroup have had

information they shared used against them in litigation?

Don't get me wrong. I know there is something off kelter about Lourdes

Salvador and her true identity - I have saved emails from " board members " of

her " non-profit " to prove this - but I have not seen any evidence of her

being an information gatherer for the defense.

And although that may be the case, I don't think you can make that

statement without providing a link from A to B to substantiate this.

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

I just wanted to add that I just got my SS disabilty based on MCS.  That is how

they wrote it.  MCS.  I did it by myself and no appeal was necessary. Although

I went threw heck. 

 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

[Guest guest]

SSA and W/C do recognize it on case by case basis.

Congrats!

Re: Re[2]: [] Re: Scammers.....Lourdes

Hi All,

I just wanted to add that I just got my SS disabilty based on MCS. That is how

they wrote it. MCS. I did it by myself and no appeal was necessary. Although I

went threw heck.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen