Re: Contaminated Belongings

[Guest guest]

watch out, a demo could harbor a lot of dust from the store and there could be

chemicals in the dust. I've been to staples twice, the first time I just hung

out at the front desk and got along fine, so I thought they had a great air

filtering system going on, the next time I ventured further in to look for

something and once past the front area everything just hit me.

heat rises and along with that could brings out some toxic dust settled in you

laptop.

--- In , " cocopollyphenol " <cocopollyphenol@...>

wrote:

>

> Any thoughts on this: we are away from my moldy apt and down in the

countryside in Georgia. I have clothing here, most of which I washed and air

dried before the trip, blankets and some research material (books and papers) as

well as toiletries etc.

>

> The one thing I seem to be reacting to is my small notebook computer. Every

time I open it to work on it I get feelings of grief and despair as well as

images of hurling it against the wall. Obviously I didn't notice this in my

place. But I'm suspicious that warm laptop computers with plastic and vinyl

insides and dust falling into the keyboard etc might really be a breeding ground

for mold spores? I don't react to my bf's laptop which he often used in my place

but was not sitting there 24/7 in my bedroom.

>

> To get a new laptop I'll need a demo store model as I have MCS.

>

> It seems really weird to me but that's what's happening. I know people talk

about bringing nothing at all with and cross contamination etc but the one thing

that's killing me is this teeny computer. I have a flash drive so can transfer

files to his and use his when he's not. I also have an Acer, never used but

sitting in my apt for six months that is being shipped here and will see if I

react to that.

>

[Guest guest]

--- In , " cocopollyphenol " <cocopollyphenol@...>

wrote:

> The one thing I seem to be reacting to is my small notebook computer. Every

time I open it to work on it I get feelings of grief and despair as well as

images of hurling it against the wall. Obviously I didn't notice this in my

place. But I'm suspicious that warm laptop computers with plastic and vinyl

insides and dust falling into the keyboard etc might really be a breeding ground

for mold spores? I don't react to my bf's laptop which he often used in my place

but was not sitting there 24/7 in my bedroom.

I find it inconceivable that the computer would be growing mold.

The cross-contamination of dormant spores, spore fragments and poison dust

inside electronics items (especially computers) is enough to make many of us

ill. For some reasons plastic and electronics components both absorb " badness "

really well and take a long time to die down.

If you can't afford to get a new one, use if far from the bedroom (preferably in

another location altogether) and decontaminate afterwards.

(Decontaminate: Take a shower and change clothes.)

If it's warm where you are, you might try putting it in the sun and letting it

run. Even if that eventually helps it might take a good bit of time though.

Best,

[Guest guest]

It's static electricity that atracts dust to electronic appliences,

another thing that might help, if your somewhere warm enough is to place your

computer by a window and have a fan blowing out the window.

that well pull whatever is affecting you away from you and out the window.

>

> --- In , " cocopollyphenol " <cocopollyphenol@>

wrote:

>

> > The one thing I seem to be reacting to is my small notebook computer. Every

time I open it to work on it I get feelings of grief and despair as well as

images of hurling it against the wall. Obviously I didn't notice this in my

place. But I'm suspicious that warm laptop computers with plastic and vinyl

insides and dust falling into the keyboard etc might really be a breeding ground

for mold spores? I don't react to my bf's laptop which he often used in my place

but was not sitting there 24/7 in my bedroom.

>

>

> I find it inconceivable that the computer would be growing mold.

>

> The cross-contamination of dormant spores, spore fragments and poison dust

inside electronics items (especially computers) is enough to make many of us

ill. For some reasons plastic and electronics components both absorb " badness "

really well and take a long time to die down.

>

> If you can't afford to get a new one, use if far from the bedroom (preferably

in another location altogether) and decontaminate afterwards.

>

> (Decontaminate: Take a shower and change clothes.)

>

> If it's warm where you are, you might try putting it in the sun and letting it

run. Even if that eventually helps it might take a good bit of time though.

>

> Best,

>

[Guest guest]

Hi . I think dust and warmth in an enclosed space allow the computer to be a

much worse source than, say, clothes I washed in hot cycle and air dried and

packed, or toiletries etc. Dust can really harbor mold spores. I did set it

outside as it's sunny but that did no good. I am thinking of asking someone to

take it apart and thoroughly clean it with rubbing alcohol. I'm afraid to do so

myself for fear of damaging it. I can see lots of dust and dirt wedged in

between the keys. Back home of course it was submerged in a larger moldy

situation and I never noticed. Perhaps it can be made tolerable and I work at it

in the library room of this B & B.

I do seem okay with brief exposures to some molds. The shower stall here smells

a bit moldy tho you can't see anything. I can take s shower with no mood

changes. But whatever was in my home which I suspect was a toxic aspergillus

made me sick and very moody.

I find the whole thing exhausting. Some people in my bldg are ok but I wonder

about others. My neighbor is depressed, drinking, uses a neti pot for sinus

issues, and doesn't move to his childhood home in Vermont which he inherited. He

is a changed man since we had so many leaks and burst pipes in our bldg. His

whole place had severe water damage. Maybe it's coincidental but I wonder.

You said once that stachy is cunning by rendering you so depressed you can't

rouse yourself to get out. For sensitive individuals I now think any toxic mold

will do that. And because it permeates everything it's hard to realize or

recognize that's what's happening. I stayed too long. And my neighbor may be the

same.

Anyway the computer issue is really annoying as brand new ones are toxic.

>

> I find it inconceivable that the computer would be growing mold.

>

> The cross-contamination of dormant spores, spore fragments and poison dust

inside electronics items (especially computers) is enough to make many of us

ill. For some reasons plastic and electronics components both absorb " badness "

really well and take a long time to die down.

>

> If you can't afford to get a new one, use if far from the bedroom (preferably

in another location altogether) and decontaminate afterwards.

>

> (Decontaminate: Take a shower and change clothes.)

>

> If it's warm where you are, you might try putting it in the sun and letting it

run. Even if that eventually helps it might take a good bit of time though.

>

> Best,

>

[Guest guest]

My experience with laptops is that some are VERY full of VOC's, some are not.

I've returned more than one until I figured it out. Now I use a metal cased one

from Dell and thank god it's fine. It's possible it's VOC's not mold that's

affecting you.

One thing I found at this site is that VOC's and other chemicals don't get as

much press as mold (understandably!!!Mold is a nightmare). But they are just as

bad for us.

Surella

>

> I find it inconceivable that the computer would be growing mold.

>

> The cross-contamination of dormant spores, spore fragments and poison dust

inside electronics items (especially computers) is enough to make many of us

ill. For some reasons plastic and electronics components both absorb " badness "

really well and take a long time to die down.

>

> If you can't afford to get a new one, use if far from the bedroom (preferably

in another location altogether) and decontaminate afterwards.

>

> (Decontaminate: Take a shower and change clothes.)

>

> If it's warm where you are, you might try putting it in the sun and letting it

run. Even if that eventually helps it might take a good bit of time though.

>

> Best,

>

[Guest guest]

When moving from my home, I was told by Dr. Croft that electronic equipment is

the WORST cross-contaminant. Worse that clothing or soft articles. Like Jeannine

said, it has something to do with the static electricity. It causes the

equipment to " hang on " to the spores, etc. My computer bothered me terribly when

I was at my worst. It also could be EMF (electrical senstivity) which Dr. Rea

has written about extensively. The more toxic you are, the worse the EMF will

be. D

--- In , " cocopollyphenol " <cocopollyphenol@...>

wrote:

>

> Any thoughts on this: we are away from my moldy apt and down in the

countryside in Georgia. I have clothing here, most of which I washed and air

dried before the trip, blankets and some research material (books and papers) as

well as toiletries etc.

>

> The one thing I seem to be reacting to is my small notebook computer. Every

time I open it to work on it I get feelings of grief and despair as well as

images of hurling it against the wall. Obviously I didn't notice this in my

place. But I'm suspicious that warm laptop computers with plastic and vinyl

insides and dust falling into the keyboard etc might really be a breeding ground

for mold spores? I don't react to my bf's laptop which he often used in my place

but was not sitting there 24/7 in my bedroom.

>

> To get a new laptop I'll need a demo store model as I have MCS.

>

> It seems really weird to me but that's what's happening. I know people talk

about bringing nothing at all with and cross contamination etc but the one thing

that's killing me is this teeny computer. I have a flash drive so can transfer

files to his and use his when he's not. I also have an Acer, never used but

sitting in my apt for six months that is being shipped here and will see if I

react to that.

>

[Guest guest]

That makes sense. I think it's the dust that's contaminating it along with

warmth dark and plastic. I had a strong instinct to leave the tv behind. This

notebook has a 12 inch screen so it's tiny but still causes a reaction.

It's old so no vocs. And it has little emf and besides I've been usingy iPhone

many hours a day as a computer with no issues even on wifi.

We looked at some homes today and I was horrified by the amount of glade plugins

scented candles febreze and so on. One really cute home with no mold (yes I do

believe I am now sensitized enough to know) and hardwood floors and good light

was totally toxic with glade plugins in each room and scented candles everywhere

and cabs of febreze everywhere we looked. That's because he has two dogs and one

is older and sometimes pees inside. The home was totally toxified as a result

when we could have rented it otherwise. I started getting a sore throat and my

bronchi hurt from all the noxious scents.

>

> When moving from my home, I was told by Dr. Croft that electronic equipment is

the WORST cross-contaminant. Worse that clothing or soft articles. Like Jeannine

said, it has something to do with the static electricity. It causes the

equipment to " hang on " to the spores, etc. My computer bothered me terribly when

I was at my worst. It also could be EMF (electrical senstivity) which Dr. Rea

has written about extensively. The more toxic you are, the worse the EMF will

be.

> >

[Guest guest]

Moisture would be missing, so it couldn't grow mold but I can see spores or

mycos collecting in there like dust, but it surprises me on other hand because

mine seems to be closed up pretty tight. As for keyboard, you'd think you could

vacuum them out but perhaps it matters how old it is, desktop or laptop. If

laptop, do you keep laptop closed when not using and other things, and of course

how sensitive you are and how bad the environment was.

--- In , " cocopollyphenol " <cocopollyphenol@...>

wrote:

>

> That makes sense. I think it's the dust that's contaminating it along with

warmth dark and plastic. I had a strong instinct to leave the tv behind. This

notebook has a 12 inch screen so it's tiny but still causes a reaction.

>

> It's old so no vocs. And it has little emf and besides I've been usingy iPhone

many hours a day as a computer with no issues even on wifi.

>

> We looked at some homes today and I was horrified by the amount of glade

plugins scented candles febreze and so on. One really cute home with no mold

(yes I do believe I am now sensitized enough to know) and hardwood floors and

good light was totally toxic with glade plugins in each room and scented candles

everywhere and cabs of febreze everywhere we looked. That's because he has two

dogs and one is older and sometimes pees inside. The home was totally toxified

as a result when we could have rented it otherwise. I started getting a sore

throat and my bronchi hurt from all the noxious scents.

>

[Guest guest]

--- In , " cocopollyphenol " <cocopollyphenol@...>

wrote:

> The one thing I seem to be reacting to is my small notebook computer. Every

time I open it to work on it I get feelings of grief and despair as well as

images of hurling it against the wall. Obviously I didn't notice this in my

place. But I'm suspicious that warm laptop computers with plastic and vinyl

insides and dust falling into the keyboard etc might really be a breeding ground

for mold spores? I don't react to my bf's laptop which he often used in my place

but was not sitting there 24/7 in my bedroom.

__________________________________

I had a big clean-up in my MOLDY A/C home, and what I ended up doing with the

electronics was using my air compressor to blast out the dust WHILE I had

industrial air scrubbers in the home to suck up whatever got blasted out, as all

my old dust was most likely mold spore and mold hyphae/mold debris contaminated.

Some of the dust would even make me dizzy if I stirred it up even a bit.

Metal is a magnet for mold spores.......If you get a chance to look at someone's

old fridge or freezer in their garage or on their porch.......YUCK!

If you have to set up a fan to blow the VOC's away from you while you work at

the 'puter that might at least buy you some time until you can get something

newer. You could just let the fan blow onto the laptop for a few days with a

couple of windows cracked to create the right air flow.

[Guest guest]

also, all electronics in the u.s. are coated with chemical fire

retardants that slowly disintegrate and slough off into the air, into us....

sue

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>> The one thing I seem to be reacting to is my small notebook computer.

>Every time I open it to work on it I get feelings of grief and despair