Re: Firefighters will burn mold-infested house in Ypsilanti Township

[Guest guest]

e, you are correct. They have destroyed to destroy mycotoxins at 500

degrees and it wasn't successful.

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From: a Townsend <kmtown2003@...>

Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 8:21:28 AM

Subject: [] Firefighters will burn mold-infested house in Ypsilanti

Township

Since when can mycotxins be burned up into non excistance?? I feel for the

nieghbors !!

From: tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2c (DOT) com>

Subject: [] Firefighters will burn mold-infested house in Ypsilanti

Township

Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 7:08 AM

Firefighters will burn mold-infested house in Ypsilanti Township

by Mulcahy | The Ann Arbor News

Wednesday July 22, 2009, 9:37 AM

The Ann Arbor News - MLive.com - Ann Arbor,MI,USA

http://www.mlive. com/news/ ann-arbor/ index.ssf/ 2009/07/firefigh ters_will_

burn_moldinf. html

Reynolds, The Ann Arbor News

This house at 2601 Verna Ave. in Ypsilanti Township will be burned down by

firefighters in August because it is infested with mold. Ypsilanti Township

firefighters will burn a vacant house on Verna Avenue because it is infested

with mold and would be unsafe to demolish by tearing it down, a township

official said.

" We've been advised by the experts that the only safe way to abate the mold is

to burn it, " said Mike Radzik, head of the township's Office of Community

Standards.

The burn, which had been tentatively scheduled for Tuesday, now may be done in

early August, Radzik said.

The last known occupant of the home at 2601 Verna Ave. died about four years

ago, though the home may have been occupied at some time since then, Radzik

said. Though the deceased occupant's estate still hasn't cleared probate court,

the heir is cooperating with the township to get rid of the house, Radzik said.

A wall of plywood treated with fire retardant has been erected between the house

and a neighboring home to prevent the fire from spreading, Radzik said.

When the burn occurs, the nearest side of the neighboring home will be covered

with a tarp, which will be kept wet during the burn to protect the house, Radzik

said.

Tearing down the infested home the usual way would release unsafe levels of mold

spores into the air, Radzik said. At present, the lower part of the home is

boarded up, and the top is encapsulated in a type of insulation to keep the mold

inside, he said.

" The air outside the home is OK right now, " Radzik said.

Some asbestos also is being removed from the home, Radzik said. A rough estimate

of the total cost for demolishing the home would be $20,000, he said. The

township will put a lien on the property and may eventually be able to recover

some of the cost, Radzik said.

The goal will be to burn the home into its foundation and clean up the ashes

after they cool, Radzik said. The mold will be destroyed immediately by the

fire, he said.

Mulcahy can be reached at jmulcahy@annarborne ws.com or 734-994-6858.

[Guest guest]

Even hotter 750 degrees, plus freezing them dosn't work either but that would be

a safer way for them to remove the moldy building, so they don't share all the

nasty buggers with the nieghborhood

From: <brianc8452@...>

Subject: Re: [] Firefighters will burn mold-infested house in

Ypsilanti Township

, " a Townsend " <kmtown2003@...>

Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 8:49 AM

e, you are correct.  They have destroyed to destroy mycotoxins at 500

degrees and it wasn't successful.

[Guest guest]

At 10:12 AM 7/22/2009, you wrote:

>Even hotter 750 degrees, plus freezing them dosn't work either but

>that would be a safer way for them to remove the moldy building, so

>they don't share all the nasty buggers with the nieghborhood

The burning is to keep four groups of people safe:

1) New occupants and their visitors

2) The tear down crew

3) The first responders to any of the above.

4) The neighbors

Who is not kept safe?

The people where the smoke plume cools down and comes down to the ground,

anywhere from 8 to 800 miles away. (Small fires, can come down

within dozens of feet,

like a fireplace that has just one log.)

Fires of such a large size will burn hotter than the 400 degrees that

wood/paper

burns at. The fire draws in air from all sides at ground level, and

all that oxygen

goes upwards, into the base of the fire, to burn the wood, and then upward,

in a plume, that can will go anywhere from 20 feet high to a mile high or more,

depending on wind speed, air temperature, etc. The wind then moves this

plume downwind. The plume can stay together at the original concentration

for miles, tens of miles, and now they know even hundreds of miles, though

that is rare. Point is, the plume does not dilute as fast as they thought.

And when a plume does not dilute, and cools, and comes down to the ground,

the people there will suffer, even get ill, hospitalized, and can be

killed, within

hours depending on what is in the plume. They know this now, from it actually

happening in various parts of the USA. Also, the dirty nuclear bomb testing

they did had some surprising results, along these lines.

So, the closest neighbors are safest. It's those downwind... that are in the

path of harm. Most plumes do not come down to the ground for miles.

And the people there will " never know " what " hit them " for several hours.

Even days, or weeks, depending on the plume content, and how much

it dilutes.

We can no longer use the ocean as a dump of pollution, we know that now.

We can no longer use the atmosphere as a dump, either. The ozone layer...

Take care,

Pete

[Guest guest]

, I have not spent much (any) time getting to know you of the board at all

but I wanted to tell you I really enjoy your posts. They are very informative

and well written. Do you work in this field somewhere?

Keep up the great work...

 

Thanks

    

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

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>Even hotter 750 degrees, plus freezing them dosn't work either but

>that would be a safer way for them to remove the moldy building, so

>they don't share all the nasty buggers with the nieghborhood

The burning is to keep four groups of people safe:

1) New occupants and their visitors

2) The tear down crew

3) The first responders to any of the above.

4) The neighbors

Who is not kept safe?

The people where the smoke plume cools down and comes down to the ground,

anywhere from 8 to 800 miles away. (Small fires, can come down

within dozens of feet,

like a fireplace that has just one log.)

Fires of such a large size will burn hotter than the 400 degrees that

wood/paper

burns at. The fire draws in air from all sides at ground level, and

all that oxygen

goes upwards, into the base of the fire, to burn the wood, and then upward,

in a plume, that can will go anywhere from 20 feet high to a mile high or more,

depending on wind speed, air temperature, etc. The wind then moves this

plume downwind. The plume can stay together at the original concentration

for miles, tens of miles, and now they know even hundreds of miles, though

that is rare. Point is, the plume does not dilute as fast as they thought.

And when a plume does not dilute, and cools, and comes down to the ground,

the people there will suffer, even get ill, hospitalized, and can be

killed, within

hours depending on what is in the plume. They know this now, from it actually

happening in various parts of the USA. Also, the dirty nuclear bomb testing

they did had some surprising results, along these lines.

So, the closest neighbors are safest. It's those downwind... that are in the

path of harm. Most plumes do not come down to the ground for miles.

And the people there will " never know " what " hit them " for several hours.

Even days, or weeks, depending on the plume content, and how much

it dilutes.

We can no longer use the ocean as a dump of pollution, we know that now.

We can no longer use the atmosphere as a dump, either. The ozone layer...

Take care,

Pete

[Guest guest]

Thanks Pete: we also know two facts regarding the adversities of air pollution

and the brain:

1. New York City: Infants born to women exposed to air pollution on streets

develop ADD, ADHD and ASD.

2. Mexico City: children, young adults and domestic dogs exposed to air

pollution develop permanent brain damage with neurocognitive deficits. The

polluted air particles with adsorbed toxins enter the body by two mechanisms:

olfactory neurons and tract and the systemic ciriculation via alveoli. The

particles cause inflammaton of blood vessels in the brain and systemic

circulation leading to inflammation.

It is not only the ozone layer but also our brains and body.

Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

www.drthrasher.org

toxicologist1@...

Off: 916-745-4703

Cell: 575-937-1150

L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC

Trauma Specialist

sandracrawley@...

916-745-4703 - Off

775-309-3994 - Cell

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> Who is not kept safe?

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>The ground down to a level of at least 3 feet I have heard will be contaminated

with mycotoxin, I have experienced this myself recently when I sold a portable

morgan building, I got a bobcat and moved the earth and buried it at the end of

my property, then brought in clean fill

[Guest guest]

At 10:52 AM 7/23/2009, you wrote:

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>Thanks Pete: we also know two facts regarding the adversities of air

>pollution and the brain:

>

>1. New York City: Infants born to women exposed to air pollution on

>streets develop ADD, ADHD and ASD.

And it has been shown via scientific medical studies (stress on

plural now) that

what your grandmother was exposed to 'can be' passed to the mother, and can be'

passed to the gestating child (grand child).

So, not just the pollution your mother, but your grandmother is

running in your blood.

And this could account for the bounding levels of MCS in our lifetime.

And if the pollution does not stop in our lifetime, but stops with the next

generation, then our grandchildren will be afflicted as well. And

perhaps their

children as well, before this crushing economic burden on society is halted.