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In a message dated 7/8/04 12:43:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

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> I don't know if he profits or not, Chris.

Dear Sharon,

He does not. He's made this quite clear all over his website. He finances

the enormous site with the product sales (goods and services cost money to

provide, even when done charitably...), and has pledged not to see a penny of

profit.

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Even though he doesn't profit from any of the sales on his site?

Chris

I don't know if he profits or not, Chris. I just know that he sells a

particular brand; so i don't feel good about sending people to that site for

information on coconut oil. They see that he's also selling it, and a lid

goes down over their brain. I used to talk a lot about CO on various boards

and when people did their googleing invariably Mercola and TT came up first,

plus other commercial sites. It seemed as if Mercola's was just one among

many,. At least,that's what people told me. " Where can I get unbiased

information? " they asked.

Sharon

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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 10:37:39 -0700 (PDT), Wilkins

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> Selina,

> owns the group coconut-info at the site. His group

has alot of good information on it but they dont allow every question or posting

to to go through to the group. The main reason this group was started was

because of the frustration many people had at writing a long question to s

group and never even seeing it , much less getting their question answered.

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As for me, I unsubscribed from that group because I get tired of all

the " Buy Trop Traditions Now! Two for one offer!! " posts Shilavy spams

now and then and the nagging feeling he's exploiting the Filipino

coconut farmers who make the oil for him to sell.

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Jim,

You know how low the price is for coconuts nowadays. At least farmers somehow

get to sell their vcno and earn a living. If does not buy them, who

would? Nuts are only bought at higher prices when there is a real big

mechanized oil mill factory around. There in Quezon, they do not have a decent

factory. I am not sure, but i think Annette buys from those farmers too. What

I am driving at is that the farmers' products are at least being sold thereby

giving them some kind of income as against no income at all.

From: Jim Ayson

Coconut Oil

Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 9:23 AM

Subject: Re: website

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 10:37:39 -0700 (PDT), Wilkins

<montemomma2002@...> wrote:

> Selina,

> owns the group coconut-info at the site. His group

has alot of good information on it but they dont allow every question or posting

to to go through to the group. The main reason this group was started was

because of the frustration many people had at writing a long question to s

group and never even seeing it , much less getting their question answered.

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As for me, I unsubscribed from that group because I get tired of all

the " Buy Trop Traditions Now! Two for one offer!! " posts Shilavy spams

now and then and the nagging feeling he's exploiting the Filipino

coconut farmers who make the oil for him to sell.

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But then again He is creating a market for coconut oil. People may start

out at that site, but the smart ones go looking for less expensive coconut

oil and more open flows of information.they have to start somewhere and

does advertise.The more markets available the more coco nut oil the

farmers can sell.

IN NC

I agree with you, . Though I too was irritated by the way he manages

the site and tries to " own " the members (by not displaying their e-mails, so

that they can't contact each other) he does do a lot for the industry as a

whole through his advertising; wre it not for him I would no doubt never

have found coconut oil. But like many others I have moved on; withdrawn from

the discussion group and won't recommend it to anyone.

Sharon

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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:26:14 -0700 (PDT), Wilkins

<montemomma2002@...> wrote:

> But then again He is creating a market for coconut oil. People may start out

at that site, but the smart ones go looking for less expensive coconut oil and

more open flows of information.they have to start somewhere and does

advertise.The more markets available the more coco nut oil the farmers can sell.

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Well I guess you're also right - although at the exorbitant prices he

charges for VCNO in the States, those farmers should be driving SUVs

now instead of water buffaloes. :-)

As for being the first source people go to for coconut information, he

has advertising via Google adlinks to thank for that. Bruce should

also sign up for Google adlinks - especially with more people using

Gmail nowadays, it will assure that every mention of " coconut " will

bring up Bruce's site.

Another thing that would help Brice's site would be a coconut news

blog (to track all the latest coconut info istead of being a static

site) and a good message forum to build a coconut web community.

Mailing lists are fine, but its easy to lose track of threads in a

spirited discussion (well unless you use Gmail's " threaded

conversations " that is). A web community can easily accomodate

thousands of denizens without being unwieldy.

- jim

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I agree with you,. Jim, and I even suggested this to abotu a year

ago, but he never replied. I guess he does not want this.

I much prefer a discussion board format to a mailing list. I started a

coconut oil discussion forum on delphi, to be found under

http://forums.delphiforums.com/coconutoil/start. You have to sign in to

Delphi enter, I believe. I like Delphi because you can organise the

discussions into specific folders, which makes it easier to track

discussions and keep them separete, as well as enabling newbies to find old

discussions more easily and avoid repition. You can also edit and delete

your messages. The forum is free but you can upgrade to get it ad=free and

certain other priviedges. After a slow start it slowly fizzled out but I am

keeping it alive because one day it might be more suitable than a laiming

list.

check it out. I don't really have time to manage it now but it's a good

forum format!

Sharon

Mailing lists are fine, but its easy to lose track of threads in a

spirited discussion (well unless you use Gmail's " threaded

conversations " that is). A web community can easily accomodate

thousands of denizens without being unwieldy.

- jim

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Of course the middlemen. They buy and forward to the factories....

RE: website

... for those who find it exensive to buy vcno, thery have the option

to make their own. Our office is teaching those who are interested to

roduce vcno.

This might be possible for thos eliving in the Tropics but NOY for

consumers everywhere else. I am sure there must be some way of creating a

good market for coconut growers AND selling it for a lower price in the

west. Retail prices are ridiculous. Prices are Someone is making a huge

profit and it's not the growers, I'm sure!

Sharon

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Thanks for putting in the link, . At the moment it's closed to

non-membetrs and I have to upgrade my own membership in order to open it up

again. Of all the discussion boards I've been to, Delphi seems the best and

most flexible. I'll do that tomorrow.

Sharon

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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:38:18 +0100, Sharon M <smaas@...> wrote:

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> Thanks for putting in the link, . At the moment it's closed to

> non-membetrs and I have to upgrade my own membership in order to open it up

> again. Of all the discussion boards I've been to, Delphi seems the best and

> most flexible. I'll do that tomorrow.

The best board I've used and setup is phpBB - mainly because its free

and open source. Many web hosting companies offer automated setup as

well with the hosting package.

Here's one typical phpBB message board I set up for a client -

http://www.yupangco.com/phpBB

threads are easy to follow. If you have your own web hosting account,

you can set your own rules for membership, moderation, and

participation. Hmm, maybe Bruce would like a coconut forum for his

site? He could ask his webmaster to set one up. Well if you need help

Bruce, just holler.

I think building a strong coconut advocate online community is one of

the best tools for " winning the war against coconut oil

misinformation " ... :-)

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At first glance it looks pretty good.

But one of the best things obout Delphgi is the ability to promote your

forum. You can create a little ad with a headline, such as " Coconut: health

villain or healing miracle? " which is then sent out to the entire Delphi

forums network, which is one of the largest onthe Net, to reach thousands of

people. The ads are free... and they draw in visitors who are curious, and

who then stick around to read the threads. Most of the people on my visitors

list were recruited through these promotions. Also, you can visit related

Delphi forums such as the http://forums.delphiforums.com/lowcarb/start and

promote coconut oil.

Anyway, here again is the link:

http://forums.delphiforums.com/coconutoil/start I think it would be good if

it came to life again! Parhaps I'll just start a few promotions....

You can see the promotions for other forums on the right side and at the

bottom of the Start page.

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I get a notice telling me that the URL is not valid.

Alobar

On 7/12/06, Lucila Geneston <alotagenston@...> wrote:

> Hello everyone,

>

> This is an invitation to see our website : www.agnutriceutical .com. Our

company produces probably the freshest Virgin Coconut OIl on earth.

>

> Discover it yourself !

>

>

> Lucila N. Geneston

> Operations Manager

>

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The site won't allow me to do anything. It just shows one page and if I click on

the links it shows a page that says it isn't valid.

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> Congrats on the new website it is very good.

>

> It is a good place to go to review alot of your information. It was

> easy to navigate and explore. Keep up the good work!

>

==>Thanks so much PegS. I love the site search myself.

Cheers, Bee

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> By doing internet searching I came across this website

>

> This naturopath doctor is associated with Dr. Mercola who has been

> referred to on this message board. Her name is Dr Kendra Pearsall

> and co wrote one of his books with him and also used to work at his

> office.

>

> She lists some interesting supplements that have many vitamins in

> them.

>

> http://shop.worldenlightened.com/c-5-nutrition-products.aspx

>

> home page is

> http://www.myhealthyguide.com

> I'm wondering, how do you know if a vitamin is NATURAL? Are there

> certain ingredients that you look for that makes it synthetic?

==>Some synthetic supplements are okay to take and others are not,

i.e. vitamin E, omega-3, vitamin A & D. The word " Natural " is not

regulated so it can be used willy nilly by any company even if all

that's natural is the glass bottle. LOL!

>

> I bought some viatmin C a long time ago at the dollar store and the

> bottle says natural. For a buck, I wonder!

==>It is probably okay if it is ascorbic acid, as long as there

aren't bad fillers, binders, etc.

>

> I read that for minerals it must say chelated, and for vitamin e it

> can't have the dl, it needs d after it.

==>I do not recommend chelated minerals because amino acids are used

to chelate them and they are usually derived from soy. I recommend

you only take cal/mag citrate in minerals in addition to ocean sea

salt (contains over 84 minerals) which contain elemental amounts as

noted in my article.

>

> Are there any other little tips to look for?

==>Paws, print out this article:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/supp1.php

Cheers, Bee

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> Paws,

> Check out this website for great info on synthetic vs. real vitamins.

> http://qnlabs.com/

> Teoma

> >

> >

> > I'm wondering, how do you know if a vitamin is NATURAL? Are there

> > certain ingredients that you look for that makes it synthetic?

==>Hi I just wrote about synthetic versus natural vitamins in the last

couple of days. Do a search of our archives please.

Bee

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I am sure Debbie is on the group under another name so it is not a great idea to

stress that she is the devil herself; and I can understand a bit in how she

feels in that she did a lot of work that she did not get paid for and it was

good work; however Bee makes very little. The real blame is all the people

like me who go to the web site and get great info that saves their lives and

then sends token donations to Bee like my 25 bucks I sent yesterday when some of

use pay a MD doctor loads more to not heal us! If all of the thousands of

everyone who had been to the site and group had sent Bee $100, her and Debbie

would not have been beating each other up to get to this place. Meanwhile,

Debbie needs to know that because of her not just letting go people will be not

finding a cure and getting help! It is that simple! Bee can you send me her

email? Thanks

Doug <organyze@...> wrote: I think it can be said that she is a

definite " Wanna-Bee. "

It is sad that in this world we all face problems similar to this.

Whether it is a small church with some obese insane lady who wants to

control everything and make everyone just as miserable as she is (as

she pretends like she's healthy in every way), or a jealous co-worker

who tries to hinder your career advancement every chance he/she gets.

Bee... we've all had to endure insane people. Unfortunately, it's

part of life. Of course, it would have been best not to associate

with such a person in a business relationship to begin with.

Proverbs gives some really good advice! :) But it also says the

person who digs a pit for someone else will eventually fall into it.

And I'm 100% certain that's what will happen in this case.

If there was some way you can provide us contact information for your

provider so we can explain you are dealing with a disturbed/psychotic

woman instead of a copyright violation, that would be nice. I've

seen your site and her site (and she's supposed to be an " internet

expert " ?)... I can't see any possible infringement. Her advice...

her webpage... her group... are all a joke, for people who are

too weak to become well from lack of willpower. Yet they are able to

receive encouragement from her, so it makes them feel better about it.

Surely, a host can't just yank a webpage without any evidence. I,

for one, really dislike the Judas's of this world, and look forward

to the Judgment they all deserve. One Day, things will be set

right. Believe me!

Doug

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> I think it can be said that she is a definite " Wanna-Bee. "

>

> It is sad that in this world we all face problems similar to this.

> Whether it is a small church with some obese insane lady who wants

to

> control everything and make everyone just as miserable as she is

(as

> she pretends like she's healthy in every way), or a jealous co-

worker

> who tries to hinder your career advancement every chance he/she

gets.

>

> Bee... we've all had to endure insane people. Unfortunately, it's

> part of life. Of course, it would have been best not to associate

> with such a person in a business relationship to begin with.

> Proverbs gives some really good advice! :) But it also says the

> person who digs a pit for someone else will eventually fall into

it.

> And I'm 100% certain that's what will happen in this case.

>

> If there was some way you can provide us contact information for

your

> provider so we can explain you are dealing with a

disturbed/psychotic

> woman instead of a copyright violation, that would be nice. I've

> seen your site and her site (and she's supposed to be an " internet

> expert " ?)... I can't see any possible infringement. Her advice...

> her webpage... her group... are all a joke, for people who

are

> too weak to become well from lack of willpower. Yet they are able

to

> receive encouragement from her, so it makes them feel better about

it.

>

> Surely, a host can't just yank a webpage without any evidence. I,

> for one, really dislike the Judas's of this world, and look forward

> to the Judgment they all deserve. One Day, things will be set

> right. Believe me!

==>Hi Doug. When I set up my new website nothing that was

copyrighted by Debby was used! The only codes we used are universal

html codes that can't be copyrighted by anyone.

You are right, there are many insane people out there, and I allowed

this to occur. I didn't know that Debby had copyrighted the original

website when I agreed for her to set it up, which was supposedly done

by her in exchange for my personal consultations with her. Now she

claims I didn't do any personal consultations ? She conveniently

forgot about the calls she made from health store, and the emails and

many phone calls I made to help her.

My webhost's email for complaints is: abuse@...

I am going to write a report to them about how Debby deceived me and

didn't divulge that she had total rights to my original website until

it was UP for over 6 months. I won't get time until this weekend

because I have to dig up the emails between Debby and I when we first

agreed to set up the website back in September 2006.

Luv, Bee

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> I am sure Debbie is on the group under another name so it is not a

great idea to stress that she is the devil herself; and I can

understand a bit in how she feels in that she did a lot of work that

she did not get paid for and it was good work; however Bee makes very

little.

==>Dear Bob. You do " know " that Debby understood I was not able to

pay her for her work, but she was very intent on setting up my

website because she said " she believed so much in my cause! "

However, unbeknownest to me she copyrighted my website and actually

owned it without my knowledge nor agreement, even though I paid for

everything.

We originally agreed to exchange my services for her services, yet

now she claims I didn't help her. It was understood at the beginning

that I would become independent of her and be able to run my website

on my own. Unfortunately she did not abide by our original

agreements and wants to be paid (or extract what she feels is due to

her) or be in control?? Isn't that called " deception " or " betrayal? "

Somewhere in the messages there is a post by Debby that states she

isn't setting up my website for " free " because she has the services

of the " master " herself!! I wish I could find that message.

Bee

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