Re: ND freaks are on GMA NOW!

[Guest guest]

--Lenny Schaffer quoted on GMA. GO LENNY!!!! THANKYOU!!!!!

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I heard it too!! I was like....woo hoo Lenny!!

This is what I was thinking -- first of all if that Mom wasn't on the

spectrum herself may lightning strike me down.

Of course they don't want to change -- resistance to change is

inherent in the disorder!!!! Why does everyone overlook the obvious

when they report these things??

Why would you NOT want your child to be better??? Sounds more like

" giving up " than " acceptance " to me.

Thoughts?

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---Yes I too noticed the mother appeared to be on the spectrum

too! Perhaps we should all diagnose ourself like the ND freaks do.

Then we can say as a person on the spectrum I demand that our

cocominent medical issues be taken care of. We demand a cure.

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What does " ND " stand for? Vicki

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neurodiverse

At 05:53 PM 6/10/2008, you wrote:

What does " ND " stand for? Vicki

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The proponents of neurodiversity are inherently selfish and self-centered

people.

They don't give a DAMN about my daughter or her total dependence on caretakers.

Screw 'em all. Let's recover our kids (while loving them no matter what) and

forget the

naysayers.

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What did Lenny say?

Thanks,

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lololololololol i needed a chuckle today, thanks

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oops sorry i didn't read the whole chain, i thought you were saying

lenny was ND...

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He was quoted as saying something like, it's a small minority group

with big mouths..LOL. Something to that effect only less harsh and

more eloquent.

cindy

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I did watch the clip on Yahoo News and heard him quoted. Those ND

people are completely and totally wacky. Nothing irritates me more

then when I hear some aspie telling me how I should deal/feel/cope

with my child's autism. As this aspie man is more then capable of

articulating his thoughts and feelings while my son still can't

speak.... don't get me started....

And if you asked me a Chew is a child abuser if she would not

want to remove autism from her child's life. She is one sick SOB>

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>I once got into a debate with one of them on the cure controversy

and I finally told him I would continue to try to cure my son untill

my son told me to stop.

[Guest guest]

Nope, not ND -- there's no autism in my blood family, not even a

genetic link. My son is adopted. However, one doesn't need

guidelines or verification to self-diagnose being on the spectrum. I

am saving that card for if and ever I need a legal defense in a

criminal matter.

Lenny

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I just watched it, taped it this morning, how can Parents NOT want to help their kids? I just don't get it!

I try to do everything in my power to recover my son!

Currently Annoyed,

VickiVote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008.

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Ah, I was starting to take offense. In my world, ND stands for

naturopathic doctor. The only " professional " helping me recover my kids.

Kes

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http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=5033594 & page=1

CGF

p.s. I won't diagnose the mom, but where did they dig her up?!

p.p.s. Hey, mister, can you wipe your own butt? Then leave my kid

alone.

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I said that to my husband. It's all well and good for these high

functioning blogging aspies to not want a cure, but what about kids

who are nonverbal? Not potty trained? Lost in their own world and

can't be reached?

Who WOULDN'T want a cure for their child?? And who are they (the ND)

to assume that they have the right to speak for others and/or chastise

parents who want a better life for their child?

CW

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[Guest guest]

I have been told by a child psychiatrist who is working on the revisions

to the diagnostic classifications of DSM-9 [Diagnostic and Statistical Manual]

to be released as DSM-10 in another year or so that most likely

Asperger's will be given a separate classification and not considered

a subset of autism. He is not working on that section, so doesn't

know for sure, but this is the current thinking. Wonder what the NDs will

have to say to that...

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http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=5033594&page=1

p.s. I won't diagnose the mom, but where did they dig her up?!

p.p.s. Hey, mister, can you wipe your own butt? Then leave my kid

alone.

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It may be helpful if we were to know more about what is involved in revising the DSM, I have heard, for years, that a revision is in the works, but am still waiting for it, patiently as ever (though I have to admit, my patience has worn out by now!!!) Any more recent news about an update in this regard, would be welcome news indeed!! Aasa"El-Dahr, Jane M " wrote: I have been told by a child psychiatrist who is

working on the revisionsto the diagnostic classifications of DSM-9 [Diagnostic and Statistical Manual]to be released as DSM-10 in another year or so that most likelyAsperger's will be given a separate classification and not considereda subset of autism. He is not working on that section, so doesn'tknow for sure, but this is the current thinking. Wonder what the NDs willhave to say to that...---------------------------http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=5033594 & page=1 p.s. I won't diagnose the mom, but where did they dig her up?! p.p.s. Hey, mister, can you wipe your own butt? Then leave my kid alone.

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I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Insurance

companies will say they don't need help, they're too high functioning.

(Of course, it's not like they help us out NOW.) I'm just worried

that the HFA kids won't get any help. They need it too.

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> I have been told by a child psychiatrist who is working on the

revisions

> to the diagnostic classifications of DSM-9 [Diagnostic and

Statistical Manual]

> to be released as DSM-10 in another year or so that most likely

> Asperger's will be given a separate classification and not considered

> a subset of autism. He is not working on that section, so doesn't

> know for sure, but this is the current thinking. Wonder what the NDs

will

> have to say to that...

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> http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=5033594 & page=1

> p.s. I won't diagnose the mom, but where did they dig her up?!

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> p.p.s. Hey, mister, can you wipe your own butt? Then leave my kid

> alone.

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[Guest guest]

I know! If their kid had diabetes, would they just " accept " a sweaty,

lethargic, sick-looking kid?

CGF

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> I just watched it, taped it this morning, how can Parents NOT want to

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> I try to do everything in my power to recover my son!

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> Currently Annoyed,

> Vicki

[Guest guest]

The most muddled definition of anything on the spectrum, next to

PDD-NOS, (pervasive developmental delay - not otherwise specified) is

so-called high-functioning autism. HFA is not used/defined in the

current DSM and is actually a reverse euphemism for ~Aspergers (there

is a word for reverse euphemisms, but I can't think of it. It means

to use terminology to make things appear worse than they are). The

ND's usually avoid the term " Asperger Syndrome " because it does not

have the hot-button " autism " word they seek to appropriate.

High functioning autism is actually a contradiction in terms, which is

probably why it's not in the DSM-IV. " Autism " as clinically defined,

is a disability. Semantics would dictate that if you are " high

functioning " you are therefore not disabled.

HFA is an attempt to have a foot in both worlds. With HFA you can cry

" disabled " for securing services, while at the same time claiming you

are " not broken, just different, don't fix me " . I hope the new DSM

issuance either defines or rebukes HFA.

Lenny

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> I have been told by a child psychiatrist who is working on the

revisions

> to the diagnostic classifications of DSM-9 [Diagnostic and

Statistical Manual]

> to be released as DSM-10 in another year or so that most likely

> Asperger's will be given a separate classification and not considered

> a subset of autism. He is not working on that section, so doesn't

> know for sure, but this is the current thinking. Wonder what the NDs

will

> have to say to that...

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> http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=5033594 & page=1

> p.s. I won't diagnose the mom, but where did they dig her up?!

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> p.p.s. Hey, mister, can you wipe your own butt? Then leave my kid

> alone.

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Dear Lenny,

While I agree that all these labels are not always helpful, I think that there is a difference between HFA and aspergers. There are people with aspergers who made it through school without support, hold jobs, get married etc. I'd agree that they might not be considered disabled. My son,at 13 while extremely bright and "high functioning" in academics, is quite disabled and not so high functioning in life skills. He is in honors classes in his middle school but has a 1:1 aide. He is prone to meltdowns and rages, during which he can try scratch and bite himself. He does not have the kind of friendships his peers do, has difficulty with reciprocal conversation and engages in a great deal of self stimulatory behavior when not in a structured setting. He is not allowed the independence a typical thirteen year old would have. I have to lay out his clothes for him, require him to take a shower, monitor his food intake so he won't gorge himself, remind him to use silverware and tie his shoes. Many people would consider him to have Aspergers but I think that the label discounts all the hard work that he has done to get to where he is today. I agree that "High functioning Autism" is a kind of stupid label and if you can come up with a better one it would be great. The DSM diagnosis doesn't focus on IQ and my son definitely fits the core deficits of communication and social impairments and restricted and repetitive interests and behavior. While I would never compare his challenges to those of more severly challenged children, I would also not like to see him lumped in with the ND crowd. As more and more kids get good behavioral and biomed intervention there will be lots of kids who are like my son- improved but not all the way there. We have to make sure that these kids continue to get the support and help that they need.

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From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of schaferatsprynetSent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:50 PMTo: EOHarm Subject: Re: ND freaks are on GMA NOW!

The most muddled definition of anything on the spectrum, next toPDD-NOS, (pervasive developmental delay - not otherwise specified) isso-called high-functioning autism. HFA is not used/defined in thecurrent DSM and is actually a reverse euphemism for ~Aspergers (thereis a word for reverse euphemisms, but I can't think of it. It meansto use terminology to make things appear worse than they are). TheND's usually avoid the term "Asperger Syndrome" because it does nothave the hot-button "autism" word they seek to appropriate.High functioning autism is actually a contradiction in terms, which isprobably why it's not in the DSM-IV. "Autism" as clinically defined,is a disability. Semantics would dictate that if you are "highfunctioning" you are therefore not disabled. HFA is an attempt to have a foot in both worlds. With HFA you can cry"disabled" for securing services, while at the same time claiming youare "not broken, just different, don't fix me". I hope the new DSMissuance either defines or rebukes HFA.Lenny >> I have been told by a child psychiatrist who is working on therevisions > to the diagnostic classifications of DSM-9 [Diagnostic andStatistical Manual]> to be released as DSM-10 in another year or so that most likely> Asperger's will be given a separate classification and not considered > a subset of autism. He is not working on that section, so doesn't> know for sure, but this is the current thinking. Wonder what the NDswill> have to say to that...> ---------------------------> http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=5033594 & page=1 > p.s. I won't diagnose the mom, but where did they dig her up?!> > p.p.s. Hey, mister, can you wipe your own butt? Then leave my kid > alone.>

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Thank you for making this point. Our son, now sixteen, has come

along the spectrum from being very affected by his autism to now

being a young man that doing pretty well. His skill set can also

vary from day to day and he does still have challenges. Though we

have done just about every intervention possible to meet his medical

and behavioral needs, he will probably always need some support.

But we also look at our eighteen year old son who will be going away

to school in the fall. He too has needed support and that is how

we've kind of modeled what his younger brother needs. But it is

actually funny because our son with ASD has more self determination

skills because he knows he has to try harder each day.

Within all of this I agree that each individual should have

opportunity for choice and options and if parents want to seek

assistance that their children need, they should be afforded that

path. Aquiring recovery is difficult for many folks, especially

those that arew not financially capable and that is something that

needs to be addressed.

JMHO,

Carolyn

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> revisions

> > to the diagnostic classifications of DSM-9 [Diagnostic and

> Statistical Manual]

> > to be released as DSM-10 in another year or so that most likely

> > Asperger's will be given a separate classification and not

considered

> > a subset of autism. He is not working on that section, so doesn't

> > know for sure, but this is the current thinking. Wonder what the

NDs

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id=5033594 & page=1>

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It speaks for itself that there are varying degrees of disability

within autism, or varying degrees of damage from mercury/vaccine

poisoning, with ideally respective varying degree of support,

treatment and care tailored for each individual. I argue to the NDs

that there are specific, measurable criteria in the DSM-IV that

defines what is disability. It is not a vague literary term applied to

anyone who has a dysfunction or a disadvantage. If an individual

requires significant intervention and support in order to survive, no

matter the IQ or verbal skills, I would say that still defines

disability, no matter how " high functioning " the resulting life style.

The blurring of what is and isn't disabling on the autism spectrum has

done a disservice to the disabled. It has allowed those who are not

clinically disabled, but with autism or mental disordered traits, try

to hijack autism advocacy defined only for themselves. To advocate

for " no cure " is to deny that there are those with autism who

desperately need a cure or curative treatment. The NDs want to

politically disappear my son and others like him for their own

therapeutic exercises in self-love. The NDs exploit the disabled with

a strange creed of Autism Supremacy and their anti-parent ammunition

of hate speech that goes along with it. If the NDs want to love their

autism, fine, they can knock themselves out, but not at the expense of

my disabled son or others like him.

I hope that the newest DSM will help prevent the NDs from further

stealing the definition of autism.

Lenny

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married