Re: Who would you vote for President if the vote was held today and why?

[Guest guest]

I share the same thoughts too. Both have pluses and minuses. But I

can say with reservation that it is agreat thing for us that Clinton

did not get the Dems nomination.

A negative for McCain is that we are spending $3 billion per week in

Iraq, but we are told there is no money for IDEA--shortchanging

every student with a disability, and there are peanuts for autism

research, and I take very seriously McCain's statements about going

to war with Iran seriously, what's that going to cost in dollars and

lives.

Obama is a lot less of a known quantity.

Either way I think we need to put a lot of pressure on both of them

to give much more information about what they intend to do about

autism and vaccine policy.

>

> Been pondering for some time now who is the best presidential

> candidate for our kids.

>

> I love that McCain was the first to speak out about the

Vaccine-

> Autism link. I also give some weight to the fact Senator Joe

> Lieberman, who on the Imus Show stated he would be an advocate for

> our kids, strongly endorses McCain. On the other hand, I have

doubt

> whether " maverick " McCain could clean house at the CDC and do the

> right thing because of the influence Pharma has over the GOP.

>

> I love that Barack Obama stated he is " suspicious " regarding the

> vaccine-autism link but his stand doesn't seem to be as strong as

> McCain's. I'm also fond of his " Time for a Change " message and

that

> with young girls of his own he probably experienced first hand

doubts

> whether or not to vaccinate. I do have concerns though whether or

not

> he has not only the political muscle but also the balls needed to

> take on the CDC bureaucracy, APA, big pharma, etc.

>

> Can we tolerate another 4 years of a laissez faire approach when

it

> comes to vaccine policy?

>

> As of now, I truly don't know who I'm voting for (being that I

live

> in Palm Beach County it probably won't matter anyway - lol).

>

> I'd like to hear from others on who they're planning on voting for

> and why.

>

> Charlie

>

[Guest guest]

McCain may say

-Stop the vaccines and increase epidemic diseases to prevail.

_Keep the war on, cut the medicaid funds to minimize domestic spending.

-Keep " All children left behind act of BUSH " and deny after HS

programs for all disabled, because there will be " NO " funds left for

war, if he gave funds for adulthood services.

I am not voting for republicans.

[Guest guest]

I think we're better off either way, certainly.

I have a similar plus/minus view of both candidates with a few of my

own little sticking points. After reading Obama's bio by a Chicago

Tribune writer, I'm no longer concerned that Obama has no balls.

Quite the contrary, I had the impression that he's a ninja. My

concerns with him are the unknowns, like when he said that " People

want me to be Wellstone, but I'm not Wellstone " . Not sure

what he meant and I'd really like to find out. If saying this means

he won't get downed in a light plane under suspicious circumstances

(funny how Wellstone died a month before the Midnight Rider was

slipped into the Homeland Security Bill), well, that's good. But

Wellstone was a thorn in pharma's side in a lot of ways and it would

concern me that a candidate would distantiate from Wellstone's

passion for justice in that sense.

On the other hand, maybe this means that Obama won't go so far as to

collapse the economy to bring about change, that he'll accomplish

things in a stealthier way, which could be positive. We don't need a

hip shooter. In fact, I think that if someone REALLY didn't want to

accomplish changes for environmentally injured kids, they could come

out swinging at Congress, get scoffed at (as expected) and then

say, " There, I tried. Can't keep trying! Sorry! " So maybe stealth is

in order. One thing's for sure, Pharma's going to fight back dirty.

What we might really need is someone who will saw the legs off of

pharma's breakfast chair a milimeter at a time until the industry

finds its chin on the table and doesn't know how it got there.

I have the feeling that we wouldn't all be over-the-moon happy right

off the bat with an Obama presidency, just like liberals and black

students at Harvard weren't initially completely thrilled with how

Obama ran the Harvard Law review, which was to give everyone, even

those with conflicting political ideology, a place and a voice. But

it's how it works out in the end that also counts. His record of

authoring bills and voting doesn't suck. It could matter that the

most powerful advisor in his campaign has an adult child who

regressed or that his wife's sainted father had a servere

degenerative disability, but we'd have to see.

McCain made stronger statements about the vaccine-autism link

initially. I think his intentions are good and his " evil " statement

aimed at pharma was reassuring. No one else was that brazen. But I'm

also concerned about how he'd be able to pay for any of these good

intentions, and how he'd move Congress to vote for any of it. Also,

because of how things like that stupid " Homegrown Terrorism "

proposition effect the freedom of speech of movements like ours, I

wasn't reassured by McCain's protest of the recent Supreme Court

decision to allow due process (or whatever) to some Guantanamo

detainees. Not that these people are necessarily victimized saints,

but it's kind of the same principle by which he have to bite our

tongues and defend the freedom of speech/ civil rights of members of,

say, the KKK or some other festering hate group if we want to

preserve our own First Amendment rights.

>

>

> I share the same thoughts too. Both have pluses and minuses. But I

> can say with reservation that it is agreat thing for us that

Clinton

> did not get the Dems nomination.

>

> A negative for McCain is that we are spending $3 billion per week

in

> Iraq, but we are told there is no money for IDEA--shortchanging

> every student with a disability, and there are peanuts for autism

> research, and I take very seriously McCain's statements about going

> to war with Iran seriously, what's that going to cost in dollars

and

> lives.

>

> Obama is a lot less of a known quantity.

>

> Either way I think we need to put a lot of pressure on both of them

> to give much more information about what they intend to do about

> autism and vaccine policy.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree.

.

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Re: Who would you vote for President if the vote was held

today and why?

McCain may say

-Stop the vaccines and increase epidemic diseases to prevail.

_Keep the war on, cut the medicaid funds to minimize domestic spending.

-Keep " All children left behind act of BUSH " and deny after HS

programs for all disabled, because there will be " NO " funds left for

war, if he gave funds for adulthood services.

I am not voting for republicans.

[Guest guest]

Gosh, I know I shouldn't get involved in these political

discussions, but I do have to mention (and someone correct me if I'm

wrong)...

We still have to have a military, wherever they may be. I'm sure a

lot of that 3 billion (obviously, not all of it) would still be

spent. But even if the troops all came home tomorrow, the country

would not have an additional 3 bil. a week lying around.

Sally

> >

> > Been pondering for some time now who is the best presidential

> > candidate for our kids.

> >

> > I love that McCain was the first to speak out about the

> Vaccine-

> > Autism link. I also give some weight to the fact Senator Joe

> > Lieberman, who on the Imus Show stated he would be an advocate

for

> > our kids, strongly endorses McCain. On the other hand, I have

> doubt

> > whether " maverick " McCain could clean house at the CDC and do

the

> > right thing because of the influence Pharma has over the GOP.

> >

> > I love that Barack Obama stated he is " suspicious " regarding the

> > vaccine-autism link but his stand doesn't seem to be as strong

as

> > McCain's. I'm also fond of his " Time for a Change " message and

> that

> > with young girls of his own he probably experienced first hand

> doubts

> > whether or not to vaccinate. I do have concerns though whether

or

> not

> > he has not only the political muscle but also the balls needed

to

> > take on the CDC bureaucracy, APA, big pharma, etc.

> >

> > Can we tolerate another 4 years of a laissez faire approach when

> it

> > comes to vaccine policy?

> >

> > As of now, I truly don't know who I'm voting for (being that I

> live

> > in Palm Beach County it probably won't matter anyway - lol).

> >

> > I'd like to hear from others on who they're planning on voting

for

> > and why.

> >

> > Charlie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes- but thousands of people would not be dying every year. My son’s dad almost went to Iraq. You think about this when you’re a military family. It’s more than just money.

-

Gosh, I know I shouldn't get involved in these political

discussions, but I do have to mention (and someone correct me if I'm

wrong)...

We still have to have a military, wherever they may be. I'm sure a

lot of that 3 billion (obviously, not all of it) would still be

spent. But even if the troops all came home tomorrow, the country

would not have an additional 3 bil. a week lying around.

Sally

> >

> > Been pondering for some time now who is the best presidential

> > candidate for our kids.

> >

> > I love that McCain was the first to speak out about the

> Vaccine-

> > Autism link. I also give some weight to the fact Senator Joe

> > Lieberman, who on the Imus Show stated he would be an advocate

for

> > our kids, strongly endorses McCain. On the other hand, I have

> doubt

> > whether " maverick " McCain could clean house at the CDC and do

the

> > right thing because of the influence Pharma has over the GOP.

> >

> > I love that Barack Obama stated he is " suspicious " regarding the

> > vaccine-autism link but his stand doesn't seem to be as strong

as

> > McCain's. I'm also fond of his " Time for a Change " message and

> that

> > with young girls of his own he probably experienced first hand

> doubts

> > whether or not to vaccinate. I do have concerns though whether

or

> not

> > he has not only the political muscle but also the balls needed

to

> > take on the CDC bureaucracy, APA, big pharma, etc.

> >

> > Can we tolerate another 4 years of a laissez faire approach when

> it

> > comes to vaccine policy?

> >

> > As of now, I truly don't know who I'm voting for (being that I

> live

> > in Palm Beach County it probably won't matter anyway - lol).

> >

> > I'd like to hear from others on who they're planning on voting

for

> > and why.

> >

> > Charlie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

See, now this is why I shouldn't get involved in these discussions:-

).

I was responding to a post about the monetary cost of the war. I am

in NO WAY implying that it's all about the money. Of course, lives

are the most important thing. I'm not sure where I stand on the

Iraq war because I just don't think there's an easy answer.

I'm not a military family, but I think about the cost (in lives way

more than money) too.

Sally, who personally likes Ron

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Been pondering for some time now who is the best

presidential

> >>> > > candidate for our kids.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > I love that McCain was the first to speak out about

the

> >> > Vaccine-

> >>> > > Autism link. I also give some weight to the fact Senator

Joe

> >>> > > Lieberman, who on the Imus Show stated he would be an

advocate

> > for

> >>> > > our kids, strongly endorses McCain. On the other hand, I

have

> >> > doubt

> >>> > > whether " maverick " McCain could clean house at the CDC and

do

> > the

> >>> > > right thing because of the influence Pharma has over the

GOP.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > I love that Barack Obama stated he is " suspicious "

regarding the

> >>> > > vaccine-autism link but his stand doesn't seem to be as

strong

> > as

> >>> > > McCain's. I'm also fond of his " Time for a Change " message

and

> >> > that

> >>> > > with young girls of his own he probably experienced first

hand

> >> > doubts

> >>> > > whether or not to vaccinate. I do have concerns though

whether

> > or

> >> > not

> >>> > > he has not only the political muscle but also the balls

needed

> > to

> >>> > > take on the CDC bureaucracy, APA, big pharma, etc.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Can we tolerate another 4 years of a laissez faire

approach when

> >> > it

> >>> > > comes to vaccine policy?

> >>> > >

> >>> > > As of now, I truly don't know who I'm voting for (being

that I

> >> > live

> >>> > > in Palm Beach County it probably won't matter anyway -

lol).

> >>> > >

> >>> > > I'd like to hear from others on who they're planning on

voting

> > for

> >>> > > and why.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Charlie

> >>> > >

> >> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

What i've learned through my son's vaccine induced illnes is that

it's not a president or a group of congressmen that run this country

and it never will be, it's big buisness and the Bilbergers. Americans

have been deceived into believing in a system that is ate up with

corruption and greed. We've been voting for decades and look at the

mess! If folks can't see that God's kingdom (the one that Jesus told

us to pray for in the lords prayer) is our only hope i don't know

what else to say. This disgusting truth is obvious if we just look at

the facts. Their poisoing our food our water our air and their trying

to kill us with vaccines. This system of things is soooo messed up

that our hope doesn't lie in the hands of a man, the only real hope

is God's kingdom. I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses and i placed my vote

for Jehovah God and his ruling king Christ Jesus when i was baptised

5 years ago, i never have to vote again. My President doesn't lie,

cheat or steal and what he says **always** takes place. He never

makes **empty** promises. I would encourage any who whish to live

under this type of authority to start a Bible study immediatly.

Connie

>

> Been pondering for some time now who is the best presidential

> candidate for our kids.

>

> I love that McCain was the first to speak out about the

Vaccine-

> Autism link. I also give some weight to the fact Senator Joe

> Lieberman, who on the Imus Show stated he would be an advocate for

> our kids, strongly endorses McCain. On the other hand, I have doubt

> whether " maverick " McCain could clean house at the CDC and do the

> right thing because of the influence Pharma has over the GOP.

>

> I love that Barack Obama stated he is " suspicious " regarding the

> vaccine-autism link but his stand doesn't seem to be as strong as

> McCain's. I'm also fond of his " Time for a Change " message and that

> with young girls of his own he probably experienced first hand

doubts

> whether or not to vaccinate. I do have concerns though whether or

not

> he has not only the political muscle but also the balls needed to

> take on the CDC bureaucracy, APA, big pharma, etc.

>

> Can we tolerate another 4 years of a laissez faire approach when it

> comes to vaccine policy?

>

> As of now, I truly don't know who I'm voting for (being that I live

> in Palm Beach County it probably won't matter anyway - lol).

>

> I'd like to hear from others on who they're planning on voting for

> and why.

>

> Charlie

>

[Guest guest]

First, I think discussing military spending probably seems less

contentious on this list to many because there's such a range of

views, but I'm glad that someone from a military family (the horse's

mouth) put that out there. I think the lives are the bottom line. And

health of our military too, re the forced vaxes.

It all begs the question-- if they keep vaxing the kids (and military

fathers and mothers to be, and pregnant women, etc.) at the rate they

have been, who will be left to ENLIST in twenty years? The one in six

boys with LDs today is going to keep rising. Or the kids with asthma,

diabetes, obesity, autoimmune disorders, CP or autism? That would be

some army. That's what my mother wants to know.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Been pondering for some time now who is the best

presidential

> >>> > > candidate for our kids.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > I love that McCain was the first to speak out about the

> >> > Vaccine-

> >>> > > Autism link. I also give some weight to the fact Senator Joe

> >>> > > Lieberman, who on the Imus Show stated he would be an

advocate

> > for

> >>> > > our kids, strongly endorses McCain. On the other hand, I

have

> >> > doubt

> >>> > > whether " maverick " McCain could clean house at the CDC and

do

> > the

> >>> > > right thing because of the influence Pharma has over the

GOP.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > I love that Barack Obama stated he is " suspicious "

regarding the

> >>> > > vaccine-autism link but his stand doesn't seem to be as

strong

> > as

> >>> > > McCain's. I'm also fond of his " Time for a Change " message

and

> >> > that

> >>> > > with young girls of his own he probably experienced first

hand

> >> > doubts

> >>> > > whether or not to vaccinate. I do have concerns though

whether

> > or

> >> > not

> >>> > > he has not only the political muscle but also the balls

needed

> > to

> >>> > > take on the CDC bureaucracy, APA, big pharma, etc.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Can we tolerate another 4 years of a laissez faire approach

when

> >> > it

> >>> > > comes to vaccine policy?

> >>> > >

> >>> > > As of now, I truly don't know who I'm voting for (being

that I

> >> > live

> >>> > > in Palm Beach County it probably won't matter anyway - lol).

> >>> > >

> >>> > > I'd like to hear from others on who they're planning on

voting

> > for

> >>> > > and why.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Charlie

> >>> > >

> >> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'll record your response as one vote for Jesus. You know Connie you

could still vote by writing " Jesus " on the ballot. I might do the

same as I'm sure as President he would be able to find Verstraeten's

lost data for the CDC.

Charlie

>

> What i've learned through my son's vaccine induced illnes is that

> it's not a president or a group of congressmen that run this

country

> and it never will be, it's big buisness and the Bilbergers.

Americans

> have been deceived into believing in a system that is ate up with

> corruption and greed. We've been voting for decades and look at the

> mess! If folks can't see that God's kingdom (the one that Jesus

told

> us to pray for in the lords prayer) is our only hope i don't know

> what else to say. This disgusting truth is obvious if we just look

at

> the facts. Their poisoing our food our water our air and their

trying

> to kill us with vaccines. This system of things is soooo messed up

> that our hope doesn't lie in the hands of a man, the only real hope

> is God's kingdom. I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses and i placed my

vote

> for Jehovah God and his ruling king Christ Jesus when i was

baptised

> 5 years ago, i never have to vote again. My President doesn't lie,

> cheat or steal and what he says **always** takes place. He never

> makes **empty** promises. I would encourage any who whish to live

> under this type of authority to start a Bible study immediatly.

>

> Connie

>

[Guest guest]

Obama scares the crap out of me. He is so anti-Constitution it is

not even funny. A while back there was a man that had his house

broken into, keys stolen, etc. The burgler came back a second time

and this time the homeowner shot him because he feared for his young

children's lives. Despite the fact that the local authorities agreed

that the man acted in self-defense, Obama wanted to see the homeowner

punished. He is against gun ownership...period. He also belonged to

a racist church for over 20 years (then tried to say that he no

longer has ties because the pastor is a fruitcake? Like he didn't

realize that over the course of 20 years?) He is also pro-abortion -

of course, we need these body parts to make vaccines! He states that

he is a Christian despite his radical Muslim background. He used the

Koran to swear into office instead of the Bible. I could go on and

on about this man....just take a long hard look at his beloved

artwork (Communist) and voting record!

McCain on the other hand....I don't know. Who can we trust these

days? I thought that Bush was so great which was why I voted for him

and look what he has done with vaccines, the Patriot Act, and the

war!

Who will be the bigger puppet for Big Pharma - McCain or Obama? I

don't know. I guess that is why God tells us to pray for our leaders.

> >

> > What i've learned through my son's vaccine induced illnes is that

> > it's not a president or a group of congressmen that run this

> country

> > and it never will be, it's big buisness and the Bilbergers.

> Americans

> > have been deceived into believing in a system that is ate up with

> > corruption and greed. We've been voting for decades and look at

the

> > mess! If folks can't see that God's kingdom (the one that Jesus

> told

> > us to pray for in the lords prayer) is our only hope i don't know

> > what else to say. This disgusting truth is obvious if we just

look

> at

> > the facts. Their poisoing our food our water our air and their

> trying

> > to kill us with vaccines. This system of things is soooo messed

up

> > that our hope doesn't lie in the hands of a man, the only real

hope

> > is God's kingdom. I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses and i placed my

> vote

> > for Jehovah God and his ruling king Christ Jesus when i was

> baptised

> > 5 years ago, i never have to vote again. My President doesn't

lie,

> > cheat or steal and what he says **always** takes place. He never

> > makes **empty** promises. I would encourage any who whish to live

> > under this type of authority to start a Bible study immediatly.

> >

> > Connie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well, if we are speaking bible....how can you trust a man whose name is Mc"Cain"??? Remember how the Cain and Able story went??? That guy was the beginning of a very long curse.....I'm just sayin....Furthermore, how do you trust a guy who leaves his wife behind for someone 18yrs younger then him??? I don't think so!My biggest fear? Obama gets hurt, or worse,(by some redneck somewhere) and King uses that to implement marshal law (race riots ensue) and then King stays on the throne! Yikes!!!Dawn wrote: Obama scares the crap out of me. He is so anti-Constitution it is not even funny. A while back there was a man that had his house broken into, keys stolen, etc. The burgler came back a second time and this time the homeowner shot him because he feared for his young children's lives. Despite the fact that the local authorities agreed that the man acted in self-defense, Obama wanted to see the homeowner punished. He is against gun ownership...period. He also belonged to a racist church for over 20 years (then tried to say that he no longer has ties because the pastor is a fruitcake? Like he didn't realize that over the course of 20 years?) He is also pro-abortion - of course, we need these body parts to make vaccines! He states that he is a Christian despite his radical Muslim background. He used the Koran to swear into office instead of the Bible. I could go on and on about this

man....just take a long hard look at his beloved artwork (Communist) and voting record! McCain on the other hand....I don't know. Who can we trust these days? I thought that Bush was so great which was why I voted for him and look what he has done with vaccines, the Patriot Act, and the war! Who will be the bigger puppet for Big Pharma - McCain or Obama? I don't know. I guess that is why God tells us to pray for our leaders. > > > > What i've learned through my son's vaccine induced illnes is that > > it's not a president or a group of congressmen that run this > country > > and it never will be, it's big buisness and the Bilbergers. > Americans > > have been deceived into believing in a system that is ate up with > > corruption and greed. We've been voting for decades and look at the > > mess! If folks can't see that God's kingdom (the one that Jesus > told > > us to pray for in the lords prayer) is our only hope i don't know > > what else to say. This disgusting truth is obvious if we just look > at > > the facts. Their poisoing our food our water our air and their > trying > > to kill us with vaccines. This system

of things is soooo messed up > > that our hope doesn't lie in the hands of a man, the only real hope > > is God's kingdom. I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses and i placed my > vote > > for Jehovah God and his ruling king Christ Jesus when i was > baptised > > 5 years ago, i never have to vote again. My President doesn't lie, > > cheat or steal and what he says **always** takes place. He never > > makes **empty** promises. I would encourage any who whish to live > > under this type of authority to start a Bible study immediatly. > > > > Connie > > >

[Guest guest]

That’s why I think the smartest thing Obama can do is have Hillary as VP. The only thing racist people (men) dislike as much as a black president is a female president. It would help his survival.

On another note- I think it’s great he was sworn in by the Koran (if that is even true). Our country needs to learn to respect people from ALL religions (aka the world). I’m also anti-gun, pro-choice and changed religions as an adult. When making OT comments about politics you have to understand that not everyone on this list thinks like you and you should TRY to be a little respectful of people’s different opinions (speaking to Dawn). I DO NOT want to get into a whole debate about this stuff. But to me, a piece of lint would be better than the last guy you voted for. It’s bad enough that I have to stop myself from commenting every time someone mentions the bible or their version of God. I think you can state what you believe without name calling and making people feel bad for what they believe in.

-

Well, if we are speaking bible....how can you trust a man whose name is Mc " Cain " ??? Remember how the Cain and Able story went??? That guy was the beginning of a very long curse.....I'm just sayin....

Furthermore, how do you trust a guy who leaves his wife behind for someone 18yrs younger then him??? I don't think so!

My biggest fear? Obama gets hurt, or worse,(by some redneck somewhere) and King uses that to implement marshal law (race riots ensue) and then King stays on the throne! Yikes!!!

Dawn wrote:

Obama scares the crap out of me. He is so anti-Constitution it is

not even funny. A while back there was a man that had his house

broken into, keys stolen, etc. The burgler came back a second time

and this time the homeowner shot him because he feared for his young

children's lives. Despite the fact that the local authorities agreed

that the man acted in self-defense, Obama wanted to see the homeowner

punished. He is against gun ownership...period. He also belonged to

a racist church for over 20 years (then tried to say that he no

longer has ties because the pastor is a fruitcake? Like he didn't

realize that over the course of 20 years?) He is also pro-abortion -

of course, we need these body parts to make vaccines! He states that

he is a Christian despite his radical Muslim background. He used the

Koran to swear into office instead of the Bible. I could go on and

on about this man....just take a long hard look at his beloved

artwork (Communist) and voting record!

McCain on the other hand....I don't know. Who can we trust these

days? I thought that Bush was so great which was why I voted for him

and look what he has done with vaccines, the Patriot Act, and the

war!

Who will be the bigger puppet for Big Pharma - McCain or Obama? I

don't know. I guess that is why God tells us to pray for our leaders.

> >

> > What i've learned through my son's vaccine induced illnes is that

> > it's not a president or a group of congressmen that run this

> country

> > and it never will be, it's big buisness and the Bilbergers.

> Americans

> > have been deceived into believing in a system that is ate up with

> > corruption and greed. We've been voting for decades and look at

the

> > mess! If folks can't see that God's kingdom (the one that Jesus

> told

> > us to pray for in the lords prayer) is our only hope i don't know

> > what else to say. This disgusting truth is obvious if we just

look

> at

> > the facts. Their poisoing our food our water our air and their

> trying

> > to kill us with vaccines. This system of things is soooo messed

up

> > that our hope doesn't lie in the hands of a man, the only real

hope

> > is God's kingdom. I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses and i placed my

> vote

> > for Jehovah God and his ruling king Christ Jesus when i was

> baptised

> > 5 years ago, i never have to vote again. My President doesn't

lie,

> > cheat or steal and what he says **always** takes place. He never

> > makes **empty** promises. I would encourage any who whish to live

> > under this type of authority to start a Bible study immediatly.

> >

> > Connie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am not putting anyone down. I just don't like the fact that Obama

states he is a Christian when his actions tell a different story. It

is about being honest. We have lost that concept with many

politicians.

I am very pro-Constitution. Many of our ancestors went to battle to

fight for our freedom and many have forgotten that. They fought and

died so that we may have the right to bear arms, have the right to

privacy, have the right to practice whatever religion we choose to,

but most important of all - live FREE. More and more of our rights

are taken away and not too many people realize that. With forced

vaccination and Obama in office - maybe then people will start to

wake up and see what is really happening to our country. The

Constitution will just be a thing of the past.

> > >

> > > What i've learned through my son's vaccine induced illnes is

that

> > > it's not a president or a group of congressmen that run this

> > country

> > > and it never will be, it's big buisness and the Bilbergers.

> > Americans

> > > have been deceived into believing in a system that is ate up

with

> > > corruption and greed. We've been voting for decades and look

at

> the

> > > mess! If folks can't see that God's kingdom (the one that

Jesus

> > told

> > > us to pray for in the lords prayer) is our only hope i don't

know

> > > what else to say. This disgusting truth is obvious if we just

> look

> > at

> > > the facts. Their poisoing our food our water our air and their

> > trying

> > > to kill us with vaccines. This system of things is soooo

messed

> up

> > > that our hope doesn't lie in the hands of a man, the only real

> hope

> > > is God's kingdom. I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses and i placed

my

> > vote

> > > for Jehovah God and his ruling king Christ Jesus when i was

> > baptised

> > > 5 years ago, i never have to vote again. My President doesn't

> lie,

> > > cheat or steal and what he says **always** takes place. He

never

> > > makes **empty** promises. I would encourage any who whish to

live

> > > under this type of authority to start a Bible study immediatly.

> > >

> > > Connie

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

JMO- but you used the terms “pro-abortion” and “radical Muslim”. That is putting people down.

Also--- You should really check your facts before spreading rumors:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/238/

When Obama was sworn into office, " he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Kuran (Their equivalency to our Bible, but very different beliefs). "

Obama sworn in on his Bible

An anonymous e-mail says Barack Obama took the oath of office for the U.S. Senate on a Koran, the holy book of Islam. We thought it would be odd if that were true, since Obama is a Christian. In fact, it is wrong.

The e-mail also spells the book's name " Kuran, " though usually it is spelled Koran or Quran.

Two press reports from Obama's swearing-in ceremony in January 2005 mention specifically that Obama took the oath of office by placing his hand on his own copy of the Bible. The Barack Obama campaign also confirmed that it was a Bible and that the book belonged to Obama. Vice President Dick Cheney, in his role as president of the Senate, administered the oath.

After being raised outside of any particular faith tradition, Obama became a Christian in his mid 20s and is a member of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. (Obama gave what are arguably his most extended remarks on his faith at the " Call to Renewal " religious conference in 2006; read the speech here.)

We suspect this false claim was inspired by the 2007 swearing-in of Rep. Ellison, D-Minn., an American convert to Islam and the first Muslim elected to Congress. Ellison used a Koran that once belonged to Jefferson, borrowing the rare book from the Library of Congress.

It goes without saying that Ellison is not Obama. And with its intent to inflame, we find the e-mail's allegation not only false, but Pants-on-Fire wrong.

ALSO— if you read Barack’s website- it says here:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/additional/Obama_FactSheet_Western_Sportsmen.pdf

PROTECTING GUN RIGHTS

Respect the Second Amendment: Millions of hunters own and use guns each year. Millions more participate

in a variety of shooting sports such as sporting clays, skeet, target and trap shooting that may not necessarily

involve hunting. As a former constitutional law professor, Barack Obama believes the Second Amendment

creates an individual right, and he greatly respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms. He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns for the

purposes of hunting and target shooting. He also believes that the right is subject to reasonable and

commonsense regulation.

You are so concerned about politicians being honest and yet you are distributing lies/misconceptions/etc. about a man running for president. Please go to Barack’s website- and McCain for that matter and look and what these men say officially on the issues.

And while you are at it- here is the page on Disabilities--- http://www.barackobama.com/issues/disabilities/

-

I am not putting anyone down. I just don't like the fact that Obama

states he is a Christian when his actions tell a different story. It

is about being honest. We have lost that concept with many

politicians.

I am very pro-Constitution. Many of our ancestors went to battle to

fight for our freedom and many have forgotten that. They fought and

died so that we may have the right to bear arms, have the right to

privacy, have the right to practice whatever religion we choose to,

but most important of all - live FREE. More and more of our rights

are taken away and not too many people realize that. With forced

vaccination and Obama in office - maybe then people will start to

wake up and see what is really happening to our country. The

Constitution will just be a thing of the past.

[Guest guest]

>

> Well, if we are speaking bible....how can you trust a man whose name

is Mc " Cain " ??? Remember how the Cain and Able story went??? That guy

was the beginning of a very long curse.....I'm just sayin....

Not to worry about the biblical name pox. I'm pretty sure Cain is a

derivative from the plant cocaine.

> Furthermore, how do you trust a guy who leaves his wife behind for

someone 18yrs younger then him??? I don't think so!

> My biggest fear? Obama gets hurt, or worse,(by some redneck

somewhere) and King uses that to implement marshal law (race

riots ensue) and then King stays on the throne! Yikes!!!

>

If Bush's popularity wasn't in the toilet, he might have a very long

shot at something like this. If there is no president, succession is

laid out in the US Constitution. . . or is it secession?

Lenny

[Guest guest]

I could not agree more. My husband and I have been saying the very same thing. I am not sure he (Obama)is thinking like that though. I don't agree with much of what he is about (really don't like either one of them)...however, I would really hate to see anything happen to him. Not only for his sake, but all our sakes.I think we can all agree that it is time to pull the US out of the crap hole!As for tolerance of others....well, I believe the only way to win people to God, and get them to genuinely listen to ones point of view, is to love them right were they are at. We are all doing the best we can (hopefully). Actually, it was Jesus who said that the greatest commandment is to love one another.....No debate intended. :)debbiechristine

wrote: That’s why I think the smartest thing Obama can do is have Hillary as VP. The only thing racist people (men) dislike as much as a black president is a female president. It would help his survival. On another note- I think it’s great he was sworn in by the Koran (if that is even true). Our country needs to learn to respect people from ALL religions (aka the world). I’m also anti-gun, pro-choice and changed religions as an adult. When making OT comments

about politics you have to understand that not everyone on this list thinks like you and you should TRY to be a little respectful of people’s different opinions (speaking to Dawn). I DO NOT want to get into a whole debate about this stuff. But to me, a piece of lint would be better than the last guy you voted for. It’s bad enough that I have to stop myself from commenting every time someone mentions the bible or their version of God. I think you can state what you believe without name calling and making people feel bad for what they believe in. - On 6/15/08 9:57 PM, "Debbie Graves" <debbie.gravessbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: Well, if we are speaking bible....how can you trust a man whose name is Mc"Cain"??? Remember how the Cain and Able story went??? That

guy was the beginning of a very long curse.....I'm just sayin.... Furthermore, how do you trust a guy who leaves his wife behind for someone 18yrs younger then him??? I don't think so! My biggest fear? Obama gets hurt, or worse,(by some redneck somewhere) and King uses that to implement marshal law (race riots ensue) and then King stays on the throne! Yikes!!! Dawn <dawndanc> wrote: Obama scares the crap out of me. He is so anti-Constitution it is not even funny. A while back there was a man that had his house broken into, keys stolen, etc. The burgler came back a second time and this

time the homeowner shot him because he feared for his young children's lives. Despite the fact that the local authorities agreed that the man acted in self-defense, Obama wanted to see the homeowner punished. He is against gun ownership...period. He also belonged to a racist church for over 20 years (then tried to say that he no longer has ties because the pastor is a fruitcake? Like he didn't realize that over the course of 20 years?) He is also pro-abortion - of course, we need these body parts to make vaccines! He states that he is a Christian despite his radical Muslim background. He used the Koran to swear into office instead of the Bible. I could go on and on about this man....just take a long hard look at his beloved artwork (Communist) and voting record! McCain on the other

hand....I don't know. Who can we trust these days? I thought that Bush was so great which was why I voted for him and look what he has done with vaccines, the Patriot Act, and the war! Who will be the bigger puppet for Big Pharma - McCain or Obama? I don't know. I guess that is why God tells us to pray for our leaders. > > > > What i've learned through my son's vaccine induced illnes is that > > it's not a president or a group of congressmen that run this > country > > and it never will be, it's big buisness and the Bilbergers. > Americans > > have been deceived into believing in a system that is ate up with > > corruption and greed. We've been voting for decades and look at the > > mess! If folks can't see that God's kingdom (the one that Jesus > told > > us to pray for in the lords prayer) is our only hope i don't know > > what

else to say. This disgusting truth is obvious if we just look > at > > the facts. Their poisoing our food our water our air and their > trying > > to kill us with vaccines. This system of things is soooo messed up > > that our hope doesn't lie in the hands of a man, the only real hope > > is God's kingdom. I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses and i placed my > vote > > for Jehovah God and his ruling king Christ Jesus when i was > baptised > > 5 years ago, i never have to vote again. My President doesn't lie, > > cheat or steal and what he says **always** takes place. He never > > makes **empty** promises. I would encourage any who whish to live > > under this type of authority to start a Bible study immediatly. > >

> > Connie > > >

[Guest guest]

One more thing. Just because you love someone where they are at, does not mean you must agree with them.christine wrote: That’s why I think the smartest thing Obama can do is have Hillary as VP. The only thing racist people (men) dislike as much as a black president is a female president. It would help his survival. On another

note- I think it’s great he was sworn in by the Koran (if that is even true). Our country needs to learn to respect people from ALL religions (aka the world). I’m also anti-gun, pro-choice and changed religions as an adult. When making OT comments about politics you have to understand that not everyone on this list thinks like you and you should TRY to be a little respectful of people’s different opinions (speaking to Dawn). I DO NOT want to get into a whole debate about this stuff. But to me, a piece of lint would be better than the last guy you voted for. It’s bad enough that I have to stop myself from commenting every time someone mentions the bible or their version of God. I think you can state what you believe without name calling and making people feel bad for what they believe in. - On 6/15/08 9:57 PM, "Debbie Graves" <debbie.gravessbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

Well, if we are speaking bible....how can you trust a man whose name is Mc"Cain"??? Remember how the Cain and Able story went??? That guy was the beginning of a very long curse.....I'm just sayin.... Furthermore, how do you trust a guy who leaves his wife behind for someone 18yrs younger then him??? I don't think so! My biggest fear? Obama gets hurt, or worse,(by some redneck somewhere) and King uses that to implement marshal law (race riots ensue) and then King stays on the throne! Yikes!!! Dawn <dawndanc> wrote:

Obama scares the crap out of me. He is so anti-Constitution it is not even funny. A while back there was a man that had his house broken into, keys stolen, etc. The burgler came back a second time and this time the homeowner shot him because he feared for his young children's lives. Despite the fact that the local authorities agreed that the man acted in self-defense, Obama wanted to see the homeowner punished. He is against gun ownership...period. He also belonged to a racist church for over 20 years (then tried to say that he no longer has ties because the pastor is a fruitcake? Like he didn't realize that over the course of 20 years?) He is also pro-abortion - of course, we need these body parts to make vaccines! He states

that he is a Christian despite his radical Muslim background. He used the Koran to swear into office instead of the Bible. I could go on and on about this man....just take a long hard look at his beloved artwork (Communist) and voting record! McCain on the other hand....I don't know. Who can we trust these days? I thought that Bush was so great which was why I voted for him and look what he has done with vaccines, the Patriot Act, and the war! Who will be the bigger puppet for Big Pharma - McCain or Obama? I don't know. I guess that is why God tells us to pray for our leaders. > > > > What i've learned through my son's vaccine induced illnes is that > > it's not a president or a group of congressmen that run this > country > > and it never will be, it's big buisness and the Bilbergers. > Americans > > have been deceived into believing in a

system that is ate up with > > corruption and greed. We've been voting for decades and look at the > > mess! If folks can't see that God's kingdom (the one that Jesus > told > > us to pray for in the lords prayer) is our only hope i don't know > > what else to say. This disgusting truth is obvious if we just look > at > > the facts. Their poisoing our food our water our air and their > trying > > to kill us with vaccines. This system of things is soooo messed up > > that our hope doesn't lie in the hands of a man, the only real hope > > is God's kingdom. I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses and i placed my > vote > > for Jehovah God and his ruling king Christ Jesus when i was > baptised > > 5 years

ago, i never have to vote again. My President doesn't lie, > > cheat or steal and what he says **always** takes place. He never > > makes **empty** promises. I would encourage any who whish to live > > under this type of authority to start a Bible study immediatly. > > > > Connie > > >

[Guest guest]

Lenny,Your sense of humor is always worth opening my email!Happy Fathers Day!!!! You Rock!schaferatsprynet wrote: > > Well, if we are speaking bible....how can you trust a man whose name is Mc"Cain"??? Remember how the Cain and Able story went??? That guy was the beginning of a very long curse.....I'm just sayin.... Not to worry about the biblical name

pox. I'm pretty sure Cain is a derivative from the plant cocaine. > Furthermore, how do you trust a guy who leaves his wife behind for someone 18yrs younger then him??? I don't think so! > My biggest fear? Obama gets hurt, or worse,(by some redneck somewhere) and King uses that to implement marshal law (race riots ensue) and then King stays on the throne! Yikes!!! > If Bush's popularity wasn't in the toilet, he might have a very long shot at something like this. If there is no president, succession is laid out in the US Constitution. . . or is it secession? Lenny

[Guest guest]

Lenny must be out tonight -or watching the Tony awards--------------

, IMO Hillary would never be second on the ticket...

Maurine

Obama scares the crap out of me. He is so anti-Constitution it is not even funny. A while back there was a man that had his house broken into, keys stolen, etc. The burgler came back a second time and this time the homeowner shot him because he feared for his young children's lives. Despite the fact that the local authorities agreed that the man acted in self-defense, Obama wanted to see the homeowner punished. He is against gun ownership... period. He also belonged to a racist church for over 20 years (then tried to say that he no longer has ties because the pastor is a fruitcake? Like he didn't

realize that over the course of 20 years?) He is also pro-abortion - of course, we need these body parts to make vaccines! He states that he is a Christian despite his radical Muslim background. He used the Koran to swear into office instead of the Bible. I could go on and on about this man....just take a long hard look at his beloved artwork (Communist) and voting record! McCain on the other hand....I don't know. Who can we trust these days? I thought that Bush was so great which was why I voted for him and look what he has done with vaccines, the Patriot Act, and the war! Who will be the bigger puppet for Big Pharma - McCain or Obama? I don't know. I guess that is why God tells us to pray for our leaders. > > > > What i've learned through my son's vaccine induced illnes is that > > it's not a president or a group of congressmen that run this

> country > > and it never will be, it's big buisness and the Bilbergers. > Americans > > have been deceived into believing in a system that is ate up with > > corruption and greed. We've been voting for decades and look at the > > mess! If folks can't see that God's kingdom (the one that Jesus > told > > us to pray for in the lords prayer) is our only hope i don't know > > what else to say. This disgusting truth is obvious if we just look > at > > the facts. Their poisoing our food our water our air and their > trying > > to kill us with vaccines. This system of things is soooo messed up > > that our hope doesn't lie in the hands of a man, the only real hope > > is God's kingdom. I'm one of

Jehovah's Witnesses and i placed my > vote > > for Jehovah God and his ruling king Christ Jesus when i was > baptised > > 5 years ago, i never have to vote again. My President doesn't lie, > > cheat or steal and what he says **always** takes place. He never > > makes **empty** promises. I would encourage any who whish to live > > under this type of authority to start a Bible study immediatly. > > > > Connie > > >

[Guest guest]

For information on Obama go to www.snopes.com

Please do not misunderstand me. I AM NOT anti-Muslim, but we do have

to remember that we are at war with radical Muslims (a war that I

don't even believe in and my family is military!). There is a

difference between Muslim and radical Muslim. The latter wants to

kills anyone that doesn't believe in what they believe in. If you

refer to that link above, you will get a clear picture of Obama's

upbringing. I am not saying that he is a radical Muslim, but we do

have do wonder what type of impression his parents left on him.

As far as his claim that he is pro-gun - that is a lie. I saw his

voting record.

Not trying to debate. Just trying to clear up some misconceptions.

-- In EOHarm , Debbie Graves wrote:

>

> I could not agree more. My husband and I have been saying the very

same thing. I am not sure he (Obama)is thinking like that though. I

don't agree with much of what he is about (really don't like either

one of them)...however, I would really hate to see anything happen to

him. Not only for his sake, but all our sakes.

> I think we can all agree that it is time to pull the US out of the

crap hole!

>

> As for tolerance of others....well, I believe the only way to win

people to God, and get them to genuinely listen to ones point of

view, is to love them right were they are at. We are all doing the

best we can (hopefully). Actually, it was Jesus who said that the

greatest commandment is to love one another.....No debate intended.

> debbie

>

>

>

>

> christine wrote:

That’s why I think the smartest thing Obama can do is have Hillary

as VP. The only thing racist people (men) dislike as much as a black

president is a female president. It would help his survival.

>

> On another note- I think it’s great he was sworn in by the Koran

(if that is even true). Our country needs to learn to respect people

from ALL religions (aka the world). I’m also anti-gun, pro-choice

and changed religions as an adult. When making OT comments about

politics you have to understand that not everyone on this list thinks

like you and you should TRY to be a little respectful of people’s

different opinions (speaking to Dawn). I DO NOT want to get into a

whole debate about this stuff. But to me, a piece of lint would be

better than the last guy you voted for. It’s bad enough that I

have to stop myself from commenting every time someone mentions the

bible or their version of God. I think you can state what you

believe without name calling and making people feel bad for what they

believe in.

>

> -

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Well, if we are speaking bible....how can you trust a man whose

name is Mc " Cain " ??? Remember how the Cain and Able story went???

That guy was the beginning of a very long curse.....I'm just sayin....

> Furthermore, how do you trust a guy who leaves his wife behind for

someone 18yrs younger then him??? I don't think so!

> My biggest fear? Obama gets hurt, or worse,(by some redneck

somewhere) and King uses that to implement marshal law (race

riots ensue) and then King stays on the throne! Yikes!!!

>

>

>

> Dawn wrote:

>

>

> Obama scares the crap out of me. He is so anti-Constitution it is

> not even funny. A while back there was a man that had his house

> broken into, keys stolen, etc. The burgler came back a second

time

> and this time the homeowner shot him because he feared for his

young

> children's lives. Despite the fact that the local authorities

agreed

> that the man acted in self-defense, Obama wanted to see the

homeowner

> punished. He is against gun ownership...period. He also

belonged to

> a racist church for over 20 years (then tried to say that he no

> longer has ties because the pastor is a fruitcake? Like he

didn't

> realize that over the course of 20 years?) He is also pro-

abortion -

> of course, we need these body parts to make vaccines! He states

that

> he is a Christian despite his radical Muslim background. He used

the

> Koran to swear into office instead of the Bible. I could go on

and

> on about this man....just take a long hard look at his beloved

> artwork (Communist) and voting record!

>

> McCain on the other hand....I don't know. Who can we trust these

> days? I thought that Bush was so great which was why I voted for

him

> and look what he has done with vaccines, the Patriot Act, and the

> war!

>

> Who will be the bigger puppet for Big Pharma - McCain or Obama?

I

> don't know. I guess that is why God tells us to pray for our

leaders.

>

>

> > >

> > > What i've learned through my son's vaccine induced illnes is

that

> > > it's not a president or a group of congressmen that run this

> > country

> > > and it never will be, it's big buisness and the Bilbergers.

> > Americans

> > > have been deceived into believing in a system that is ate up

with

> > > corruption and greed. We've been voting for decades and look

at

> the

> > > mess! If folks can't see that God's kingdom (the one that

Jesus

> > told

> > > us to pray for in the lords prayer) is our only hope i don't

know

> > > what else to say. This disgusting truth is obvious if we just

> look

> > at

> > > the facts. Their poisoing our food our water our air and

their

> > trying

> > > to kill us with vaccines. This system of things is soooo

messed

> up

> > > that our hope doesn't lie in the hands of a man, the only

real

> hope

> > > is God's kingdom. I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses and i placed

my

> > vote

> > > for Jehovah God and his ruling king Christ Jesus when i was

> > baptised

> > > 5 years ago, i never have to vote again. My President doesn't

> lie,

> > > cheat or steal and what he says **always** takes place. He

never

> > > makes **empty** promises. I would encourage any who whish to

live

> > > under this type of authority to start a Bible study

immediatly.

> > >

> > > Connie

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

OK...... I really have to finish editing these wedding photos. I’m outta here for tonight.

Good night--

For information on Obama go to www.snopes.com

Please do not misunderstand me. I AM NOT anti-Muslim, but we do have

to remember that we are at war with radical Muslims (a war that I

don't even believe in and my family is military!). There is a

difference between Muslim and radical Muslim. The latter wants to

kills anyone that doesn't believe in what they believe in. If you

refer to that link above, you will get a clear picture of Obama's

upbringing. I am not saying that he is a radical Muslim, but we do

have do wonder what type of impression his parents left on him.

As far as his claim that he is pro-gun - that is a lie. I saw his

voting record.

Not trying to debate. Just trying to clear up some misconceptions.

-- In EOHarm <mailto:EOHarm%40yahoogroups.com> , Debbie Graves wrote:

>

> I could not agree more. My husband and I have been saying the very

same thing. I am not sure he (Obama)is thinking like that though. I

don't agree with much of what he is about (really don't like either

one of them)...however, I would really hate to see anything happen to

him. Not only for his sake, but all our sakes.

> I think we can all agree that it is time to pull the US out of the

crap hole!

>

> As for tolerance of others....well, I believe the only way to win

people to God, and get them to genuinely listen to ones point of

view, is to love them right were they are at. We are all doing the

best we can (hopefully). Actually, it was Jesus who said that the

greatest commandment is to love one another.....No debate intended.

> debbie

>

>

>

>

> christine wrote:

Thatâ•˙s why I think the smartest thing Obama can do is have Hillary

as VP. The only thing racist people (men) dislike as much as a black

president is a female president. It would help his survival.

>

> On another note- I think itâ•˙s great he was sworn in by the Koran

(if that is even true). Our country needs to learn to respect people

from ALL religions (aka the world). Iâ•˙m also anti-gun, pro-choice

and changed religions as an adult. When making OT comments about

politics you have to understand that not everyone on this list thinks

like you and you should TRY to be a little respectful of peopleâ•˙s

different opinions (speaking to Dawn). I DO NOT want to get into a

whole debate about this stuff. But to me, a piece of lint would be

better than the last guy you voted for. Itâ•˙s bad enough that I

have to stop myself from commenting every time someone mentions the

bible or their version of God. I think you can state what you

believe without name calling and making people feel bad for what they

believe in.

>

> -

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Well, if we are speaking bible....how can you trust a man whose

name is Mc " Cain " ??? Remember how the Cain and Able story went???

That guy was the beginning of a very long curse.....I'm just sayin....

> Furthermore, how do you trust a guy who leaves his wife behind for

someone 18yrs younger then him??? I don't think so!

> My biggest fear? Obama gets hurt, or worse,(by some redneck

somewhere) and King uses that to implement marshal law (race

riots ensue) and then King stays on the throne! Yikes!!!

>

>

>

> Dawn wrote:

>

>

> Obama scares the crap out of me. He is so anti-Constitution it is

> not even funny. A while back there was a man that had his house

> broken into, keys stolen, etc. The burgler came back a second

time

> and this time the homeowner shot him because he feared for his

young

> children's lives. Despite the fact that the local authorities

agreed

> that the man acted in self-defense, Obama wanted to see the

homeowner

> punished. He is against gun ownership...period. He also

belonged to

> a racist church for over 20 years (then tried to say that he no

> longer has ties because the pastor is a fruitcake? Like he

didn't

> realize that over the course of 20 years?) He is also pro-

abortion -

> of course, we need these body parts to make vaccines! He states

that

> he is a Christian despite his radical Muslim background. He used

the

> Koran to swear into office instead of the Bible. I could go on

and

> on about this man....just take a long hard look at his beloved

> artwork (Communist) and voting record!

>

> McCain on the other hand....I don't know. Who can we trust these

> days? I thought that Bush was so great which was why I voted for

him

> and look what he has done with vaccines, the Patriot Act, and the

> war!

>

> Who will be the bigger puppet for Big Pharma - McCain or Obama?

I

> don't know. I guess that is why God tells us to pray for our

leaders.

>

>

> > >

> > > What i've learned through my son's vaccine induced illnes is

that

> > > it's not a president or a group of congressmen that run this

> > country

> > > and it never will be, it's big buisness and the Bilbergers.

> > Americans

> > > have been deceived into believing in a system that is ate up

with

> > > corruption and greed. We've been voting for decades and look

at

> the

> > > mess! If folks can't see that God's kingdom (the one that

Jesus

> > told

> > > us to pray for in the lords prayer) is our only hope i don't

know

> > > what else to say. This disgusting truth is obvious if we just

> look

> > at

> > > the facts. Their poisoing our food our water our air and

their

> > trying

> > > to kill us with vaccines. This system of things is soooo

messed

> up

> > > that our hope doesn't lie in the hands of a man, the only

real

> hope

> > > is God's kingdom. I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses and i placed

my

> > vote

> > > for Jehovah God and his ruling king Christ Jesus when i was

> > baptised

> > > 5 years ago, i never have to vote again. My President doesn't

> lie,

> > > cheat or steal and what he says **always** takes place. He

never

> > > makes **empty** promises. I would encourage any who whish to

live

> > > under this type of authority to start a Bible study

immediatly.

> > >

> > > Connie

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I do understand what you are saying. I too do not believe in this war...911 and much, much more....This entire mess will be cleared up one day...In the blink of an eye...ya know?We win...and our children will be whole, healed and functioning...in spite of the evil that tried to take them out.The meek truly do inherit the earth...debbieDawn wrote: For information on Obama go to www.snopes.com Please do not misunderstand me. I AM NOT anti-Muslim, but we

do have to remember that we are at war with radical Muslims (a war that I don't even believe in and my family is military!). There is a difference between Muslim and radical Muslim. The latter wants to kills anyone that doesn't believe in what they believe in. If you refer to that link above, you will get a clear picture of Obama's upbringing. I am not saying that he is a radical Muslim, but we do have do wonder what type of impression his parents left on him. As far as his claim that he is pro-gun - that is a lie. I saw his voting record. Not trying to debate. Just trying to clear up some misconceptions. -- In EOHarm , Debbie Graves wrote: > > I could not agree more. My husband and I have been saying the very same thing. I am not sure he (Obama)is thinking like that though. I

don't agree with much of what he is about (really don't like either one of them)...however, I would really hate to see anything happen to him. Not only for his sake, but all our sakes. > I think we can all agree that it is time to pull the US out of the crap hole! > > As for tolerance of others....well, I believe the only way to win people to God, and get them to genuinely listen to ones point of view, is to love them right were they are at. We are all doing the best we can (hopefully). Actually, it was Jesus who said that the greatest commandment is to love one another.....No debate intended. > debbie > > > > > christine wrote: That’s why I think the smartest thing Obama can do is have Hillary as VP. The only thing racist people (men) dislike as much as a black president is a female

president. It would help his survival. > > On another note- I think it’s great he was sworn in by the Koran (if that is even true). Our country needs to learn to respect people from ALL religions (aka the world). I’m also anti-gun, pro-choice and changed religions as an adult. When making OT comments about politics you have to understand that not everyone on this list thinks like you and you should TRY to be a little respectful of people’s different opinions (speaking to Dawn). I DO NOT want to get into a whole debate about this stuff. But to me, a piece of lint would be better than the last guy you voted for. It’s bad enough that I have to stop myself from commenting every time someone mentions the bible or their version of God. I think you can state what you believe without name calling and making people feel bad for what they believe in. > > - > > > > > > > > > > > Well, if we are speaking bible....how can you trust a man whose name is Mc"Cain"??? Remember how the Cain and Able story went??? That guy was the beginning of a very long curse.....I'm just sayin.... > Furthermore, how do you trust a guy who leaves his wife behind for someone 18yrs younger then him??? I don't think so! > My biggest fear? Obama gets hurt, or worse,(by some redneck somewhere) and King uses that to implement marshal law (race riots ensue) and then King stays on the throne! Yikes!!! > > > > Dawn wrote: > > > Obama scares the crap out of me. He is so anti-Constitution it is > not even funny. A

while back there was a man that had his house > broken into, keys stolen, etc. The burgler came back a second time > and this time the homeowner shot him because he feared for his young > children's lives. Despite the fact that the local authorities agreed > that the man acted in self-defense, Obama wanted to see the homeowner > punished. He is against gun ownership...period. He also belonged to > a racist church for over 20 years (then tried to say that he no > longer has ties because the pastor is a fruitcake? Like he didn't > realize that over the course of 20 years?) He is also pro- abortion - > of course, we need these body parts to make vaccines! He states that > he is a Christian despite his radical Muslim background. He used the > Koran to swear into office instead of the Bible. I could go on

and > on about this man....just take a long hard look at his beloved > artwork (Communist) and voting record! > > McCain on the other hand....I don't know. Who can we trust these > days? I thought that Bush was so great which was why I voted for him > and look what he has done with vaccines, the Patriot Act, and the > war! > > Who will be the bigger puppet for Big Pharma - McCain or Obama? I > don't know. I guess that is why God tells us to pray for our leaders. > > > > > > > > What i've learned through my son's vaccine induced illnes is that > > > it's not a president or a group of congressmen that run this > > country > > > and it never will be, it's big buisness and the Bilbergers. > > Americans > > > have been deceived into believing in a system that is ate up with > > > corruption and greed. We've been voting for decades and look at > the > > >

mess! If folks can't see that God's kingdom (the one that Jesus > > told > > > us to pray for in the lords prayer) is our only hope i don't know > > > what else to say. This disgusting truth is obvious if we just > look > > at > > > the facts. Their poisoing our food our water our air and their > > trying > > > to kill us with vaccines. This system of things is soooo messed > up > > > that our hope doesn't lie in the hands of a man, the only real > hope > > > is God's kingdom. I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses and i placed my > > vote > > > for Jehovah God and his ruling king Christ Jesus when i was > > baptised > > > 5 years ago, i never have to vote again. My President doesn't > lie, > > > cheat or

steal and what he says **always** takes place. He never > > > makes **empty** promises. I would encourage any who whish to live > > > under this type of authority to start a Bible study immediatly. > > > > > > Connie > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

,

I work in an office full of men, who are all republician's and I said the same thing months ago about O'Bama

Primer who lives in Oceanside but is in Carlsbad Unified School District

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Re: Re: Who would you vote for President if the vote was held today and why?

That¢s why I think the smartest thing Obama can do is have Hillary as VP. The only thing racist people (men) dislike as much as a black president is a female president. It would help his survival.On another note- I think it¢s great he was sworn in by the Koran (if that is even true). Our country needs to learn to respect people from ALL religions (aka the world). I¢m also anti-gun, pro-choice and changed religions as an adult. When making OT comments about politics you have to understand that not everyone on this list thinks like you and you should TRY to be a little respectful of people¢s different opinions (speaking to Dawn). I DO NOT want to get into a whole debate about this stuff. But to me, a piece of lint would be better than the last guy you voted for. It¢s bad enough that I have to stop myself from commenting

every time someone mentions the bible or their version of God. I think you can state what you believe without name calling and making people feel bad for what they believe in.-On 6/15/08 9:57 PM, "Debbie Graves" <debbie.graves@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

Well, if we are speaking bible....how can you trust a man whose name is Mc"Cain"??? Remember how the Cain and Able story went??? That guy was the beginning of a very long curse.....I' m just sayin....Furthermore, how do you trust a guy who leaves his wife behind for someone 18yrs younger then him??? I don't think so!My biggest fear? Obama gets hurt, or worse,(by some redneck somewhere) and King uses that to implement marshal law (race riots ensue) and then King stays on the throne! Yikes!!!Dawn <dawndancyahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Obama scares the crap out of me. He is so anti-Constitution it is not even funny. A while back there was a man that had his house broken into, keys stolen, etc. The burgler came back a second time and this time the homeowner shot him because he feared for his young children's lives. Despite the fact that the local authorities agreed that the man acted in self-defense, Obama wanted to see the homeowner punished. He is against gun ownership... period. He also belonged to a racist church for over 20 years (then tried to say that he no longer has ties because the pastor is a fruitcake? Like he didn't

realize that over the course of 20 years?) He is also pro-abortion - of course, we need these body parts to make vaccines! He states that he is a Christian despite his radical Muslim background. He used the Koran to swear into office instead of the Bible. I could go on and on about this man....just take a long hard look at his beloved artwork (Communist) and voting record! McCain on the other hand....I don't know. Who can we trust these days? I thought that Bush was so great which was why I voted for him and look what he has done with vaccines, the Patriot Act, and the war! Who will be the bigger puppet for Big Pharma - McCain or Obama? I don't know. I guess that is why God tells us to pray for our leaders. > > > > What i've learned through my son's vaccine induced illnes is

that > > it's not a president or a group of congressmen that run this > country > > and it never will be, it's big buisness and the Bilbergers. > Americans > > have been deceived into believing in a system that is ate up with > > corruption and greed. We've been voting for decades and look at the > > mess! If folks can't see that God's kingdom (the one that Jesus > told > > us to pray for in the lords prayer) is our only hope i don't know > > what else to say. This disgusting truth is obvious if we just look > at > > the facts. Their poisoing our food our water our air and their > trying > > to kill us with vaccines. This system of things is soooo messed up > > that our hope doesn't lie in the hands of

a man, the only real hope > > is God's kingdom. I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses and i placed my > vote > > for Jehovah God and his ruling king Christ Jesus when i was > baptised > > 5 years ago, i never have to vote again. My President doesn't lie, > > cheat or steal and what he says **always** takes place. He never > > makes **empty** promises. I would encourage any who whish to live > > under this type of authority to start a Bible study immediatly. > > > > Connie > > >

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Re: Re: Who would you vote for President if the vote was held today and why?

Yes- but thousands of people would not be dying every year. My son’s dad almost went to Iraq. You think about this when you’re a military family. It’s more than just money.-On 6/15/08 3:07 PM, "sam_hsmom" <sallyannmillertampabay (DOT) rr.com> wrote:

Gosh, I know I shouldn't get involved in these political discussions, but I do have to mention (and someone correct me if I'm wrong)...We still have to have a military, wherever they may be. I'm sure a lot of that 3 billion (obviously, not all of it) would still be spent. But even if the troops all came home tomorrow, the country would not have an additional 3 bil. a week lying around.Sally> >> > Been pondering for some time now who is the best presidential > > candidate for our kids.> > > > I love that McCain was the first to speak out about the > Vaccine-> > Autism link. I also give some weight to the fact Senator Joe > > Lieberman, who on the Imus Show stated he would be an advocate for > > our kids, strongly endorses McCain. On the other hand, I have > doubt > > whether "maverick" McCain could clean house at the CDC and do the > > right thing because of the influence Pharma has over the GOP. > > > > I love that Barack Obama stated he is "suspicious" regarding the > > vaccine-autism link but his stand doesn't seem to be as strong as > > McCain's. I'm also fond of his "Time for a Change" message and > that > > with young girls of his own he probably experienced first hand > doubts > > whether or not to vaccinate. I do have concerns though whether or > not > > he has not only the political muscle but also the balls needed to > > take on the CDC bureaucracy, APA, big pharma, etc. > > > > Can we tolerate another 4 years of a laissez faire approach when > it > > comes to vaccine policy? > > > > As of now, I truly don't know who I'm voting for (being that I > live > > in Palm Beach County it probably won't matter anyway - lol). > > > > I'd like to hear from others on who they're planning on voting for > > and why. > > > > Charlie> >>