Re: More than 12,000 expected at autism walk

[Guest guest]

Because it's all bullshit and they're not really doing anything???

>

>

> " The event benefits research into the possible causes of autism, such

> as genetics and environmental factors; and effective treatments and

> therapies. "

>

> Notice how AS is beginning to sound more and more like a DAN!-like

> biomedical research outfit? AS also says on their website that they

> are working with top level government public health agencies to get at

> the cause of autism and the vaccine issue. What is there left now to

> distinguish AS from other national autism organizations on " our side "

> who claim the same rhetoric and government collaboration? Inquiring

> minds want to know. . . -Lenny

>

>

> More than 12,000 expected at autism walk

>

> By Ferrette

> The Journal News • June 7, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/5pv58q

>

>

> PURCHASE - More than 12,000 people are expected to gather tomorrow

> (Sunday) to raise money for autism research and education.

>

> The Westchester-Fairfield-Hudson Valley chapter of Autism Speaks will

> host its seventh annual walk at Manhattanville College.

>

> " It's always been a big walk, but each year it seems like it grows by

> about 2,000 or so, " said Zygmont of Greenwich, an event

> coordinator. " More kids are getting diagnosed with autism. ... I think

> that's why the walk has grown so rapidly. "

>

> Registration will begin at 9:30 a.m., followed by speeches by U.S.

> Rep. Nita Lowey, D-on, and Westchester County Executive

> Spano. The 2 1/2 -mile walk around the college campus will begin at 11

> a.m. The free event is open to the public.

>

> The event benefits research into the possible causes of autism, such

> as genetics and environmental factors; and effective treatments and

> therapies. Last year's event raised more than $1.2 million, organizers

> said.

>

> Autism, often referred to as autism spectrum disorders, is a group of

> developmental disabilities that impairs a person's communication

> skills. Children diagnosed with autism often have unusual ways of

> learning, behaving and reacting to certain situations, according to

> the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

>

> It is estimated that between 2,000 and 6,000 children and adults in

> Westchester County have the diagnosis. In April, the county executive

> created a panel of parents and professionals to help him explore how

> the county helped the growing number of people with autism.

>

> One of the panel's efforts is how to best support the more than 800

> autistic children in the county's school districts.

>

> The thinking and learning abilities of people on the autism spectrum

> can vary from gifted to severely challenged, the CDC says.

>

> For this reason, some parents struggle to get a proper diagnosis from

> doctors or school health officials, said Doris of Rye Brook.

>

> 's 15-year-old son, Emil Jensen, was diagnosed with autism at the

> age of 6. He is a straight-A student and has an above average IQ,

> which might have contributed to the late diagnosis, said.

>

> " We worked very hard to have him diagnosed properly at a time, when

> autism was not as popular as it is today and teachers were not as

> educated they are today, " said. " We lost many valuable years of

> intervention. "

>

> Jensen is currently a freshman at Blind Brook High School, where

> says he gets " excellent support " and is in mainstream classes.

>

> and her son will walk with " Emil's Extreme " team tomorrow.

>

> " I feel like a cure is near, but we need to work harder, " said.

>

[Guest guest]

,

It would appear that 12,000 people in NY do not share your opinion. Is

that really a problem? How much energy is one to spend attacking

other autism groups, especially if that autism group sounds an awful

lot lately like other autism groups you like? By going negative, do

you create awareness, or just counter-productive confusion?

My point: it is ok to attack bad goals, tactics and objectives, but

not ok to attack the groups themselves who do these things. For

example, we can say that funding genetic research over environmental

research is a bad idea. We can also say that collaborating with

duplicitous public health agencies is stupid for a number of reasons.

But we don't directly have to attack the groups who do these things

-- just support the groups who do the right things in the first place.

Lenny

> >

> >

> > " The event benefits research into the possible causes of autism, such

> > as genetics and environmental factors; and effective treatments and

> > therapies. "

> >

> > Notice how AS is beginning to sound more and more like a DAN!-like

> > biomedical research outfit? AS also says on their website that they

> > are working with top level government public health agencies to get at

> > the cause of autism and the vaccine issue. What is there left now to

> > distinguish AS from other national autism organizations on " our side "

> > who claim the same rhetoric and government collaboration? Inquiring

> > minds want to know. . . -Lenny

[Guest guest]

Quite honestly, I don't think it's because 12,000 people do not share

's opinion. It's because 12,000 people just want to help Autism

and see AS as the most obvious way to do it.

There were a few on our bus to the GOV rally who had no idea about the

controversy with AS. But after talking to the rest of us, boy they

changed their tune!

As we all know there are many parents who feel that their child's

autism is purely genetic and AS is exactly the organization for them.

But I know of many parents who do believe their child was vaccine

injured and had no idea about the story with or how AS

spends their money.

> > >

> > >

> > > " The event benefits research into the possible causes of autism,

such

> > > as genetics and environmental factors; and effective treatments and

> > > therapies. "

> > >

> > > Notice how AS is beginning to sound more and more like a DAN!-like

> > > biomedical research outfit? AS also says on their website that they

> > > are working with top level government public health agencies to

get at

> > > the cause of autism and the vaccine issue. What is there left

now to

> > > distinguish AS from other national autism organizations on " our

side "

> > > who claim the same rhetoric and government collaboration? Inquiring

> > > minds want to know. . . -Lenny

>

[Guest guest]

I think your logic is faulty here. Your two statements do not

contradict each other.

Lenny

>

> Quite honestly, I don't think it's because 12,000 people do not share

> 's opinion. It's because 12,000 people just want to help Autism

> and see AS as the most obvious way to do it.

[Guest guest]

If many of the 12,000 knew what most of us know about AS maybe they

wouldn't be supporting AS.

You said that 12,000 people must not think it's bullshit.... well

maybe it's because the majority of the 12,000 don't have a clue about

what AS is " about " . They're just there to support autism and are

blind to the inner workings of AS.

I don't believe in bashing other organizations, but I certainly don't

see a problem with educating the public about the groups they are

supporting. If after they hear AS's history and they still want to

support them, then so be it.

Forgive me if I'm not making sense... maybe too much time in the sun

today!

> >

> > Quite honestly, I don't think it's because 12,000 people do not share

> > 's opinion. It's because 12,000 people just want to help Autism

> > and see AS as the most obvious way to do it.

>

[Guest guest]

Kind of like Nixon giving the peace sign.

>

>

> " The event benefits research into the possible causes of autism,

such

> as genetics and environmental factors; and effective treatments and

> therapies. "

>

> Notice how AS is beginning to sound more and more like a DAN!-like

> biomedical research outfit? AS also says on their website that they

> are working with top level government public health agencies to get

at

> the cause of autism and the vaccine issue. What is there left now

to

> distinguish AS from other national autism organizations on " our

side "

> who claim the same rhetoric and government collaboration? Inquiring

> minds want to know. . . -Lenny

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lenny:

You've spent a good deal of time attacking AS yourself, so don't act

like you have a halo over your head.

They CLAIM to do these things, but they don't, and you know that's

100% true.

> > >

> > >

> > > " The event benefits research into the possible causes of autism,

such

> > > as genetics and environmental factors; and effective treatments and

> > > therapies. "

> > >

> > > Notice how AS is beginning to sound more and more like a DAN!-like

> > > biomedical research outfit? AS also says on their website that they

> > > are working with top level government public health agencies to

get at

> > > the cause of autism and the vaccine issue. What is there left

now to

> > > distinguish AS from other national autism organizations on " our

side "

> > > who claim the same rhetoric and government collaboration? Inquiring

> > > minds want to know. . . -Lenny

>

[Guest guest]

Or politicians offering world peace..... ain't gonna happen.

> >

> >

> > " The event benefits research into the possible causes of autism,

> such

> > as genetics and environmental factors; and effective treatments and

> > therapies. "

> >

> > Notice how AS is beginning to sound more and more like a DAN!-like

> > biomedical research outfit? AS also says on their website that they

> > are working with top level government public health agencies to get

> at

> > the cause of autism and the vaccine issue. What is there left now

> to

> > distinguish AS from other national autism organizations on " our

> side "

> > who claim the same rhetoric and government collaboration? Inquiring

> > minds want to know. . . -Lenny

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

More...........

They took $1 million out of Pittsburgh over the weekend -- which

nobody in Pittsburgh will end up seeing helping an actual child with

autism. It'll go to some lame ass genetic research project or

something that involves drugging our kids with strattera or risperdal

to " control " them.

You just can't walk safely on the edge of a sword's blade. Pick a

side or you're going to get cut.

-- In EOHarm , " autismlink " wrote:

>

> Lenny:

>

> You've spent a good deal of time attacking AS yourself, so don't act

> like you have a halo over your head.

>

> They CLAIM to do these things, but they don't, and you know that's

> 100% true.

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " The event benefits research into the possible causes of autism,

> such

> > > > as genetics and environmental factors; and effective

treatments and

> > > > therapies. "

> > > >

> > > > Notice how AS is beginning to sound more and more like a DAN!-like

> > > > biomedical research outfit? AS also says on their website

that they

> > > > are working with top level government public health agencies to

> get at

> > > > the cause of autism and the vaccine issue. What is there left

> now to

> > > > distinguish AS from other national autism organizations on " our

> side "

> > > > who claim the same rhetoric and government collaboration?

Inquiring

> > > > minds want to know. . . -Lenny

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Lenny you know, even if the research is done it can be skewed any way they want why was katie not at the rally ? and mrs. wright AS her self. In case you forgot throwing their daughter under the bus And not telling anybody that christian got better, or how he got better. And what is worse is not funding the treatments and calling the very treatments NON EVIDENCE based treatments That is Cruel and unusual behavior and tends to make one question their true motives for starting A.S. seems at this point A.S with the ties to the CDC is more a corporatre sheild for GE than wanting to make a difference in our children's lives. Joeautismlink wrote: Lenny:You've spent a good deal of time attacking AS yourself, so don't actlike you have a halo over your head.They CLAIM to do these things, but they don't, and you know that's100% true.> > >> > > > > > "The event benefits research into the possible causes of autism,such> > > as genetics and environmental factors; and effective treatments and> > > therapies." > > > > > > Notice how AS is beginning to sound more and more like a DAN!-like> > > biomedical research outfit? AS also says on their website that they> > > are working with top level government public health agencies toget at> > > the cause of autism and the vaccine issue. What is there leftnow to> > > distinguish AS from other national autism organizations on "ourside"> > > who claim the same rhetoric and government collaboration? Inquiring> > > minds want

to know. . . -Lenny>

[Guest guest]

Joe--- are you talking about the DC rally? WAS there.

-

Lenny you know, even if the research is done it can be skewed any way they want

why was katie not at the rally ? and mrs. wright AS her self.

In case you forgot throwing their daughter under the bus

And not telling anybody that christian got better, or how he got

better. And what is worse is not funding the treatments and

calling the very treatments NON EVIDENCE based treatments

That is Cruel and unusual behavior and tends to make one question

their true motives for starting A.S. seems at this point A.S with the

ties to the CDC is more a corporatre sheild for GE than wanting to

make a difference in our children's lives.

Joe

autismlink wrote:

Lenny:

You've spent a good deal of time attacking AS yourself, so don't act

like you have a halo over your head.

They CLAIM to do these things, but they don't, and you know that's

100% true.

> > >

> > >

> > > " The event benefits research into the possible causes of autism,

such

> > > as genetics and environmental factors; and effective treatments and

> > > therapies. "

> > >

> > > Notice how AS is beginning to sound more and more like a DAN!-like

> > > biomedical research outfit? AS also says on their website that they

> > > are working with top level government public health agencies to

get at

> > > the cause of autism and the vaccine issue. What is there left

now to

> > > distinguish AS from other national autism organizations on " our

side "

> > > who claim the same rhetoric and government collaboration? Inquiring

> > > minds want to know. . . -Lenny

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, why did she not speak ? and was dear old mom there ?christine wrote: Joe--- are you talking about the DC rally? WAS there.-On 6/9/08 9:54 AM, "JOE HARRIS`" <ccdaddy57> wrote: Lenny you know, even if the research is done it can be skewed any way they

want why was katie not at the rally ? and mrs. wright AS her self. In case you forgot throwing their daughter under the bus And not telling anybody that christian got better, or how he got better. And what is worse is not funding the treatments and calling the very treatments NON EVIDENCE based treatments That is Cruel and unusual behavior and tends to make one question their true motives for starting A.S. seems at this point A.S with the ties to the CDC is more a corporatre sheild for GE than wanting to make a difference in our children's lives. Joeautismlink <cindyautismlink> wrote: Lenny:You've spent a good deal of time attacking AS yourself, so don't actlike you have a halo over your head.They CLAIM to do these things, but they don't, and you know that's100% true.> > >> > > > > > "The event benefits research into the possible causes of autism,such> > > as genetics and environmental factors; and effective treatments and> > > therapies." > > > > > > Notice how AS is beginning to sound more and more like a DAN!-like> > > biomedical research outfit? AS also says on their website that they> > > are working with top level government public health agencies toget at> > > the cause of autism and the vaccine issue. What is there leftnow to> > > distinguish AS from other national autism organizations on "ourside"> > > who claim the same rhetoric and government collaboration? Inquiring> > > minds want to know. . . -Lenny>

[Guest guest]

I don’t know. You’ll have to ask the organizers. They might not have invited her. Plus, she’s not one to get up and talk in front of crowds. We invited her to do the keynote at our conference last year and she declined. She did attend though and said a few, quick words (we gave her an award).

I don’t think her mom was there. But, I haven’t confirmed that.

-

Sorry, why did she not speak ? and was dear old mom there ?

christine wrote:

Joe--- are you talking about the DC rally? WAS there.

-

Lenny you know, even if the research is done it can be skewed any way they want

why was katie not at the rally ? and mrs. wright AS her self.

In case you forgot throwing their daughter under the bus

And not telling anybody that christian got better, or how he got

better. And what is worse is not funding the treatments and

calling the very treatments NON EVIDENCE based treatments

That is Cruel and unusual behavior and tends to make one question

their true motives for starting A.S. seems at this point A.S with the

ties to the CDC is more a corporatre sheild for GE than wanting to

make a difference in our children's lives.

Joe

autismlink wrote:

Lenny:

You've spent a good deal of time attacking AS yourself, so don't act

like you have a halo over your head.

They CLAIM to do these things, but they don't, and you know that's

100% true.

> > >

> > >

> > > " The event benefits research into the possible causes of autism,

such

> > > as genetics and environmental factors; and effective treatments and

> > > therapies. "

> > >

> > > Notice how AS is beginning to sound more and more like a DAN!-like

> > > biomedical research outfit? AS also says on their website that they

> > > are working with top level government public health agencies to

get at

> > > the cause of autism and the vaccine issue. What is there left

now to

> > > distinguish AS from other national autism organizations on " our

side "

> > > who claim the same rhetoric and government collaboration? Inquiring

> > > minds want to know. . . -Lenny

>

[Guest guest]

I have yet to find one person (and I've been asking) who saw her there

(Mrs. ). I have heard a few people say they saw , but no

Suzanne.

> >>>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>>> > > > " The event benefits research into the possible causes

of autism,

> >>>> such

> >>>>>>> > > > as genetics and environmental factors; and effective

treatments

> and

> >>>>>>> > > > therapies. "

> >>>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>>> > > > Notice how AS is beginning to sound more and more like

a DAN!-like

> >>>>>>> > > > biomedical research outfit? AS also says on their

website that

> they

> >>>>>>> > > > are working with top level government public health

agencies to

> >>>> get at

> >>>>>>> > > > the cause of autism and the vaccine issue. What is

there left

> >>>> now to

> >>>>>>> > > > distinguish AS from other national autism

organizations on " our

> >>>> side "

> >>>>>>> > > > who claim the same rhetoric and government collaboration?

> >>>>>>> Inquiring

> >>>>>>> > > > minds want to know. . . -Lenny

> >>>>> >

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

told me that her mother was unable to come because her father had heart surgery.

-

I have yet to find one person (and I've been asking) who saw her there

(Mrs. ). I have heard a few people say they saw , but no

Suzanne.

> >>>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>>> > > > " The event benefits research into the possible causes

of autism,

> >>>> such

> >>>>>>> > > > as genetics and environmental factors; and effective

treatments

> and

> >>>>>>> > > > therapies. "

> >>>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>>> > > > Notice how AS is beginning to sound more and more like

a DAN!-like

> >>>>>>> > > > biomedical research outfit? AS also says on their

website that

> they

> >>>>>>> > > > are working with top level government public health

agencies to

> >>>> get at

> >>>>>>> > > > the cause of autism and the vaccine issue. What is

there left

> >>>> now to

> >>>>>>> > > > distinguish AS from other national autism

organizations on " our

> >>>> side "

> >>>>>>> > > > who claim the same rhetoric and government collaboration?

> >>>>>>> Inquiring

> >>>>>>> > > > minds want to know. . . -Lenny

> >>>>> >

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Has there been a shift in the wind and now we're hoping that AS will

get with the progam if we're nice to them? It didn't work in the days

before many of our groups figured out AS's angle. The fact that AS

has Hollander as science director alone (and the list of concerns

goes on) places the group firmly in the " bad egg " catagory as far as

I'm concerned and they deserve criticism for this. I probably should

have said they (the directorship) were like Nixon on " Laugh In " . Sock

it to me. Bleah.

And I do support the groups that do good-- partly by wishing that

some of the funds that AS is mopping up were going to legitimate

research NOW, not at some undesignated point in the misty future. I'm

sure that will gently prevail in the end, but as things

currently stand over there, my kids don't have time to wait.

> > >

> > >

> > > " The event benefits research into the possible causes of

autism,

> > such

> > > as genetics and environmental factors; and effective treatments

and

> > > therapies. "

> > >

> > > Notice how AS is beginning to sound more and more like a DAN!-

like

> > > biomedical research outfit? AS also says on their website that

they

> > > are working with top level government public health agencies to

get

> > at

> > > the cause of autism and the vaccine issue. What is there left

now

> > to

> > > distinguish AS from other national autism organizations on " our

> > side "

> > > who claim the same rhetoric and government collaboration?

Inquiring

> > > minds want to know. . . -Lenny

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello - No halo over my head. This is not about me personally, I

wish it were that simple. I am trying to raise some issues about tactics.

First of all, I am careful that I challenge goals and objectives --

over flat out name bashing and personal attacks (although I am not shy

from using ridicule occasionally, I admit, for effect). I make no

bones that I do not trust AS, but I don't make a career out of bashing

them into compliance towards my point of view.

My point here is that I cannot see much difference now, when it comes

to marketing, tactics and rhetoric, between AS and other national

autism organizations. They are all sounding alike, even if they are

not.

Seems that all now SAY they want more biomedical/environmental

research. They all feel quite at home collaborating with high level

government/ public health officials responsible for the epidemic.

Perhaps the answer is to not so much spend energy berating mediocre

autism organizations, but rather create and support effective ones.

Lenny

> > >

> > > Because it's all bullshit and they're not really doing anything???

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

was supposed to go, at least that's what she told me. But

remember, isn't allowed to speak for Autism Speaks. So it's

really a moot point. As you recall, her parents threw her under the

bus when they said AS doesn't necessarily share her point of view.

How soon we forget.....

I honestly don't think it's 's parents, either. I think it's the

idiots from NAAR. I would bet that if the s had to do it all

over again, they'd probably NOT align themselves with NAAR.

> >>>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>>> > > > " The event benefits research into the possible causes

of autism,

> >>>> such

> >>>>>>> > > > as genetics and environmental factors; and effective

treatments

> and

> >>>>>>> > > > therapies. "

> >>>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>>> > > > Notice how AS is beginning to sound more and more like

a DAN!-like

> >>>>>>> > > > biomedical research outfit? AS also says on their

website that

> they

> >>>>>>> > > > are working with top level government public health

agencies to

> >>>> get at

> >>>>>>> > > > the cause of autism and the vaccine issue. What is

there left

> >>>> now to

> >>>>>>> > > > distinguish AS from other national autism

organizations on " our

> >>>> side "

> >>>>>>> > > > who claim the same rhetoric and government collaboration?

> >>>>>>> Inquiring

> >>>>>>> > > > minds want to know. . . -Lenny

> >>>>> >

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It's hard to go up against those with such power and wealth. AS talks

the talk, but they don't walk the walk.

So while it may be difficult to distinguish these groups to the

average joe -- the educated joe knows the difference. I'm not sitting

in a circle, holding hands and singing kumbaya with them. If you want

to create change, you have to rock the boat.

Rock on.

> > > >

> > > > Because it's all bullshit and they're not really doing anything???

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

>

[Guest guest]

- wouldn't it be nice to find out that in order to usurp power/control from NAAR, the s had to make certain short term concessions in the name of Autism Speaks. Unfortunately, that seems to be taking forever. I can dream, can't I?RoxSubject: Re: More than 12,000 expected at autism walkTo: EOHarm Date: Monday, June 9, 2008, 6:24 PM

was supposed to go, at least that's what she told me. But

remember, isn't allowed to speak for Autism Speaks. So it's

really a moot point. As you recall, her parents threw her under the

bus when they said AS doesn't necessarily share her point of view.

How soon we forget.....

I honestly don't think it's 's parents, either. I think it's the

idiots from NAAR. I would bet that if the s had to do it all

over again, they'd probably NOT align themselves with NAAR.

> >>>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>>> > > > "The event benefits research into the possible causes

of autism,

> >>>> such

> >>>>>>> > > > as genetics and environmental factors; and effective

treatments

> and

> >>>>>>> > > > therapies."

> >>>>>>> > > >

> >>>>>>> > > > Notice how AS is beginning to sound more and more like

a DAN!-like

> >>>>>>> > > > biomedical research outfit? AS also says on their

website that

> they

> >>>>>>> > > > are working with top level government public health

agencies to

> >>>> get at

> >>>>>>> > > > the cause of autism and the vaccine issue. What is

there left

> >>>> now to

> >>>>>>> > > > distinguish AS from other national autism

organizations on "our

> >>>> side"

> >>>>>>> > > > who claim the same rhetoric and government collaboration?

> >>>>>>> Inquiring

> >>>>>>> > > > minds want to know. . . -Lenny

> >>>>> >

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I kind of like to think that the only way some change will happen with

AS is if they are shamed into it.

This is why I don't think twice about telling my feelings when asked.

I won't hesitate to suggest other organizations where donations would

actually go towards helping families not redundant research or lavish

expenses.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " The event benefits research into the possible causes of

> autism,

> > > such

> > > > as genetics and environmental factors; and effective treatments

> and

> > > > therapies. "

> > > >

> > > > Notice how AS is beginning to sound more and more like a DAN!-

> like

> > > > biomedical research outfit? AS also says on their website that

> they

> > > > are working with top level government public health agencies to

> get

> > > at

> > > > the cause of autism and the vaccine issue. What is there left

> now

> > > to

> > > > distinguish AS from other national autism organizations on " our

> > > side "

> > > > who claim the same rhetoric and government collaboration?

> Inquiring

> > > > minds want to know. . . -Lenny

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

you say " I honestly don't think it's 's parents, either.

I think it's the idiots from NAAR. I would bet that if the s

had to do it all over again, they'd probably NOT align themselves

with NAAR. "

I say nothing is furhter from the truth. And personaly If I had to

do it over I would vote against the merger.

Marty

> > >>>>>>> > > >

> > >>>>>>> > > >

> > >>>>>>> > > > " The event benefits research into the possible

causes

> of autism,

> > >>>> such

> > >>>>>>> > > > as genetics and environmental factors; and effective

> treatments

> > and

> > >>>>>>> > > > therapies. "

> > >>>>>>> > > >

> > >>>>>>> > > > Notice how AS is beginning to sound more and more

like

> a DAN!-like

> > >>>>>>> > > > biomedical research outfit? AS also says on their

> website that

> > they

> > >>>>>>> > > > are working with top level government public health

> agencies to

> > >>>> get at

> > >>>>>>> > > > the cause of autism and the vaccine issue. What is

> there left

> > >>>> now to

> > >>>>>>> > > > distinguish AS from other national autism

> organizations on " our

> > >>>> side "

> > >>>>>>> > > > who claim the same rhetoric and government

collaboration?

> > >>>>>>> Inquiring

> > >>>>>>> > > > minds want to know. . . -Lenny

> > >>>>> >

> > >>>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I like to think that the s got into this before they saw the

benefits their grandson was getting biomedically and when they tried

to take AS's research in that direction they were railroaded by the

NAAR folks. It could be that their hands are tied for awhile. But

until theres a change, there will be NO changing MY mind about AS.

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; " The event benefits

research into the possible causes

>

> of autism,

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; such

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; as genetics and

environmental factors; and effective

>

> treatments

>

> & gt; and

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; therapies. "

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Notice how AS is

beginning to sound more and more like

>

> a DAN!-like

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; biomedical research

outfit? AS also says on their

>

> website that

>

> & gt; they

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; are working with

top level government public health

>

> agencies to

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; get at

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; the cause of autism

and the vaccine issue. What is

>

> there left

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; now to

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; distinguish AS from

other national autism

>

> organizations on " our

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; side "

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; who claim the same

rhetoric and government collaboration?

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Inquiring

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; minds want to know.

.. . -Lenny

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt;

>

> & gt; & gt; & gt;

>

> & gt; & gt;

>

> & gt; & gt;

>

> & gt; & gt;

>

> & gt;

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting Marty. Why would you vote against the merger?

>

> I say nothing is furhter from the truth. And personaly If I had to

> do it over I would vote against the merger.

>

> Marty

[Guest guest]

rocking the boat only gets you so far. Lenny's advice is sound.

It may be more difucult for some but " ...not spend so much energy

berating mediocre autism organizations, but rather create and support

effective ones. " is the way to go.

Marty

> > > > >

> > > > > Because it's all bullshit and they're not really doing

anything???

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> >

>