Re: McCarthy

[Guest guest]

Yes, it is all McCarthy's and the moms who have not stopped getting the word out fault that my son is on the road to recovery. It is also their fault that my 5,2, and 1 yr old will not end up with Autism. God Bless you all

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McCarthy

Just thought you all might find this interesting. ...Our new director has a small baby and when he took him for hiswell-visit he got into a little feisty argument with the pediatricianbecause he doesn't want to vaccinate "too many too soon."The pediatrician' s comment?"This is all McCarthy's fault."

[Guest guest]

It's McCarthy's fault that I felt like a human being again this

spring. Darn her. So many of us were enjoying feeling isolated,

voiceless and disenfranchised. Now I have people telling me they saw

Larry King, believing me about what happened to my children and some

don't even look at us like we're freaks anymore. Tsk.

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> Just thought you all might find this interesting....

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> Our new director has a small baby and when he took him for his

> well-visit he got into a little feisty argument with the pediatrician

> because he doesn't want to vaccinate " too many too soon. "

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> The pediatrician's comment?

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> " This is all McCarthy's fault. "

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[Guest guest]

YOu are a much better person then me, because we would have before that doctor looked at my child and not just my asd kid, any of my kids.

Primer who lives in Oceanside but is in Carlsbad Unified School District

Tired of the energy crunch? Fuel your body with something healthy and delicious. The energy of the future is Verve. All your daily Vitamins, Essential Minerals, Mangosteen and Aloe in an energy drink.

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McCarthy

I was in the ped's office today.There was an "anti-jenny" article, copied on colored paper and laminated, hung above the sink in the exam room. It was written my an MD w/an adult sister w/ASD.We did not discuss it,CGF

[Guest guest]

Imagine the guilt building up in the pediatric community. That niggling

little voice that is probably still locked in the subconscious

mind, " Did I do this to these kids? Could I have helped my sister? Was

I sold a bill of goods in exchange for free lunches and a bunch of

pens? Am I culpable? Will I get sued and lose my career? Is my wife

cheating with the boy who shags balls at the practice range? "

KS

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> I was in the ped's office today.

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> There was an " anti-jenny " article, copied on colored paper and

> laminated, hung above the sink in the exam room. It was written my

an

> MD w/an adult sister w/ASD.

[Guest guest]

I don't believe the peds are thinking such things yet. My SIL is a pediatrician

and she still

seems truly convinced vaccines are totally safe and effective. She has tried to

convince my

husband and me to vaccinate our boys. And she even has a son on the spectrum!

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> > I was in the ped's office today.

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> > There was an " anti-jenny " article, copied on colored paper and

> > laminated, hung above the sink in the exam room. It was written my

> an

> > MD w/an adult sister w/ASD.

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[Guest guest]

Think about how some parents are filled with anger and guilt for giving their 1 kid about 30 shots.....

Now think of a doctor who has given about 1000 kids 30,000 shots......

No wonder they can’t accept it.

Plus- they are scared to lose everything they own in a law suit.

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I don't believe the peds are thinking such things yet. My SIL is a pediatrician and she still

seems truly convinced vaccines are totally safe and effective. She has tried to convince my

husband and me to vaccinate our boys. And she even has a son on the spectrum!

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> > I was in the ped's office today.

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> > There was an " anti-jenny " article, copied on colored paper and

> > laminated, hung above the sink in the exam room. It was written my

> an

> > MD w/an adult sister w/ASD.

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[Guest guest]

Kirby talked about this in Null's vaccine nation (the dvd

passed out at the rally). I can't remember his exact words but

something along the lines of it being " human nature " for someone who

got in a profession to help people, not wanting to hear any evidence

that they inadvertently could have harmed thousands. He worded it

much better than that, and it made perfect sense.

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> >>> > > I was in the ped's office today.

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> >>> > > There was an " anti-jenny " article, copied on colored paper and

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written my

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[Guest guest]

McCarthy's Mother Warriors Book Tour

Check your local listings for stations and time:

Oprah Sept 24 (Oprah.com that night)

GMA Sept 29

CNN American Morning Sept 30

CanadaAM - Sept 30

Access Access <s Sept 29, 30 Possibly Oct 1

Ellen Degeneres October 3

KTTV/Good Day LA October 2

>

> seen lots of ads for the show tomorrow. Jim Carrey is also on with

her.  Remember that Oprah's show also airs at night on cable if you

miss it during the daytime.

>  

> Maurine

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[Guest guest]

I like her don;t get me wrong PLEASE.. .Glad she brought our

struggles to the fore front but I have a few little issues with her

experience.

She has alot of fund to use for Evan's health. She really is not

limited in income. If I had alot of money---even 50K I could use t

for my son's betterment also but I don't and us as regular people's

insurnace is really hard to get adequate care for our kids (I have 6

ot a YEAR for 's Aspies--I may as well have none)

I don't believe Evan is in a full day of school yet. Us with kids

on the spectrum know how much a school cna help for good and bad for

our kids. . structure--good. . long day--bad. Again she has the

funds to adjust his schooling to his needs.. . how wold he do

in " regular public school. "

I know I am going to take a beating for this but also where ate the

Stars who's kids have been hurt by vacines?? Would be nice to see

them out fighting too. . or do we commoners have the only affected

kids?? People see these kids who are in a remission and then ask us

why our kids are stillhaving issues. . It all comes down to the

most powerful thing. .he who has the unlimited money--get the best

services.

Grace

-- In EOHarm , Primer wrote:

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> YOu are a much better person then me, because we would have before

that doctor looked at my child and not just my asd kid, any of my

kids.

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> McCarthy

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> I was in the ped's office today.

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> There was an " anti-jenny " article, copied on colored paper and

> laminated, hung above the sink in the exam room. It was written my

an

> MD w/an adult sister w/ASD.

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> We did not discuss it,

> CGF

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>

> Primer who lives in Oceanside but is in Carlsbad Unified

School District

> Tired of the energy crunch? Fuel your body with something healthy

and delicious. The energy of the future is Verve. All your daily

Vitamins, Essential Minerals, Mangosteen and Aloe in an energy

drink.

> ~Well-behaved women seldom make history~ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think you should hold it against her that she has a lot of money. She is out there fighting for all of us. There are people with a lot of money that may or may not recover their kids and they

aren't out there helping the rest of us and making this all public.

Let's be glad she has a public face and popularity from the past so she can make people sit up and listen to her.

Maurine>> YOu are a much better person then me, because we would have before that doctor looked at my child and not just my asd kid, any of my kids.> > > > > > >

McCarthy> > > I was in the ped's office today.> > There was an "anti-jenny" article, copied on colored paper and > laminated, hung above the sink in the exam room. It was written my an > MD w/an adult sister w/ASD.> > We did not discuss it,> CGF> > > Primer who lives in Oceanside but is in Carlsbad Unified School District> Tired of the energy crunch? Fuel your body with something healthy and delicious. The energy of the future is Verve. All your daily Vitamins, Essential Minerals, Mangosteen and Aloe in an energy drink. > ~Well-behaved women seldom make history~ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich>

[Guest guest]

I don’t think at the time had “unlimited” money. She was in the middle of a divorce that was costing her a lot. Plus, she works hard for what she has. Have you ever seen a movie shoot- where the actors work 18 hour days- many times in the middle of the night? It’s not easy work.

Also, I think there is a misconception that those with money heal their kids and all the poor kids stay sick (to simplify it). That is just not true. I know many families who put THOUSANDS of dollars into their kid’s treatments and got very little improvements.

And, on the other hard, take my situation. I have very little money- no savings- no home- rent a crappy apartment, etc. We are very lucky that our insurance covers most of the testing and chelation for my son. Of course his Dad has been away in the military for 9 years- so we all make different sacrifices.

Also, we live on Long Island- where back when my son was dx, the school district would give you 30-40 hours a week of ABA, Speech, OT, etc. in your home (no cost to you). My son went to a preschool 6 hours a day starting at age 2.5 yrs. Now he is in a school district with a special “autism” classroom and all these other services. Again, no cost to me.

I could live in a house in VA and have crappy services. Or I could live in a crappy apartment in NY with great services. I know it’s hard because some people have never left their own state and don’t know what is out there- but if you don’t have any services- think about moving. It could save you a lot of money in the long run.

I also do a lot of research- online and at conferences. I learned ABA myself- so I don’t always need to pay someone to help me solve a problem.

My son has been Gluten/Casein/Soy/Nut free for the last 6 years. I get a lot of stuff through Amazon.com by the case and it’s a lot less expensive then buying at the health food store.

Overall, I’ve probably spent $5000 in 9 years on my kid’s autism (extra food, supplements, doctors). Plus, I’ve spent hours and hours “volunteering” for the cause (but that’s a whole other story). But anyway, my son is doing great- he’s out of the “autism” classroom and into a 15-2. He’s starting violin lessons at school on Thursday- he’ll be in the band. I really have no complaints. Ok- he’s not “recovered” and still has issues. But, he’s getting there. Life is good. He’s happy. Those of you who have met him know what I’m talking about.

I’ve met Evan at the rally in DC. It was hard to tell if he was 100% recovered. But, the kid looked pretty good to me. Yes- only time will tell. But, in my experience- I’ve meet a few recovered kids and people just don’t believe it. Which is sad. Because some of these kids are- no doubt.

Another thing- One must understand that society has been brainwashed that vaccines are good. Those who are anti-vaccine are thought to be crazy. I’ve experienced this in the media as well as the Health department. Talking to politicians is fun too- having to tread lightly.

I give a HELL of a lot of credit for getting out there and saying what she says. She doesn’t do it because she has all this money fall on her lap. She has risked everything she has- which makes it even more amazing. She has more to lose. But, she still does it.

And she is a mother- just like the rest of us. She cried with her son in her arms- just like the rest of us. But, I really find it offensive that people belittle her actions and say “well- she’s rich”. Yes, some things are easier when you have money. But, she has a whole other set of problems that most of us don’t have. I wouldn’t want to trade places with her. Her son died and came back. I would never want to see my own son go through that- or see him have a seizure.

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I like her don;t get me wrong PLEASE.. .Glad she brought our

struggles to the fore front but I have a few little issues with her

experience.

She has alot of fund to use for Evan's health. She really is not

limited in income. If I had alot of money---even 50K I could use t

for my son's betterment also but I don't and us as regular people's

insurnace is really hard to get adequate care for our kids (I have 6

ot a YEAR for 's Aspies--I may as well have none)

I don't believe Evan is in a full day of school yet. Us with kids

on the spectrum know how much a school cna help for good and bad for

our kids. . structure--good. . long day--bad. Again she has the

funds to adjust his schooling to his needs.. . how wold he do

in " regular public school. "

I know I am going to take a beating for this but also where ate the

Stars who's kids have been hurt by vacines?? Would be nice to see

them out fighting too. . or do we commoners have the only affected

kids?? People see these kids who are in a remission and then ask us

why our kids are stillhaving issues. . It all comes down to the

most powerful thing. .he who has the unlimited money--get the best

services.

Grace

-- In EOHarm <mailto:EOHarm%40yahoogroups.com> , Primer wrote:

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> YOu are a much better person then me, because we would have before

that doctor looked at my child and not just my asd kid, any of my

kids.

>

>  

>  

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>

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> McCarthy

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> I was in the ped's office today.

>

> There was an " anti-jenny " article, copied on colored paper and

> laminated, hung above the sink in the exam room. It was written my

an

> MD w/an adult sister w/ASD.

>

> We did not discuss it,

> CGF

>

>

> Primer who lives in Oceanside but is in Carlsbad Unified

School District

> Tired of the energy crunch? Fuel your body with something healthy

and delicious. The energy of the future is Verve. All your daily

Vitamins, Essential Minerals, Mangosteen and Aloe in an energy

drink.

> ~Well-behaved women seldom make history~ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

>

[Guest guest]

I have to stick up for here.

I know the last place you want to be is on a movie set or doing a shoot acting HAPPY when your child needs you home to help them.But she has to earn a living.

We cant put her down or say its wrong she has more money then us.

personally..i work in the same field.I'm on sets as well but I'm not an actor I'm an agent so the hours the talent has to work is harsh to say the least sometimes double shifts and dieting on top of that and exercising to stay fit because that's how she gets paid.I know all I wanna do eat when I get stressed.

I only had a full day option for my daughter..and that sucked let me tell you because they are sucking up all my daughter day and only accomplishing 2 hours a therapy the whole week!!

So I'm doing her ABA at home now..we do 3 to 4 hours a day now.I'm taking an ABA training course so I officially know how to take data and do chaining.They teach it at a local autism education place here in my state.When there is a will there is a way!

For Christmas..relatives ask..what does my daughter want for Christmas..I give them the list of supplements and websites to order..I say that any of those things on the list would really help instead of toys that we have 4 million of anyway.

didn't ask for a child with Autism ..none of us did and it doesn't matter how much or how little money we have..Its difficult no matter what we have to be supportive of one another not be mad because someone may have better resources or has a better job.

We all struggle for sure so lets just open our hearts to mothers who are fighting for us to make headway here.

Deo Productions:

Talent and Model ManagementContact

www.sAngels.com

APRIL IS AUTISM AWARENESS MONTH.>> YOu are a much better person then me, because we would have before that doctor looked at my child and not just my asd kid, any of my kids.> > > > > > > McCarthy> > > I was in the ped's office today.> > There was an "anti-jenny" article, copied on colored paper and > laminated, hung above the sink in the exam room. It was written my an > MD w/an adult sister w/ASD.> > We did not discuss it,> CGF> > > Primer who lives in Oceanside but is in Carlsbad Unified School District> Tired of the energy crunch? Fuel your body with something healthy and delicious. The energy of the future is Verve. All your daily Vitamins, Essential Minerals, Mangosteen and Aloe in an energy drink. > ~Well-behaved women seldom

make history~ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich>

[Guest guest]

Grace,

even children that have families with endless resources have Autism. We are all coming in at a time where nobody knows the cure. What works for one child doesn't work for another. has used her stardom to give us a voice. We don't have a ton of money, but I use the law and the resources available to help my child. Do some advocating, go to the free classes that are provided. Join a support group, get involved, it doesn't cost allot of money to fight for your child and bring awareness. One step at a time. Let's get to it and get help for our children. Thanks to all the proactive parents we are being heard and it doesn't cost allot of money.

Candyce

McCarthy> > > I was in the ped's office today.> > There was an "anti-jenny" article, copied on colored paper and > laminated, hung above the sink in the exam room. It was written my an > MD w/an adult sister w/ASD.> > We did not discuss it,> CGF> > > Primer who lives in Oceanside but is in Carlsbad Unified School District> Tired of the energy crunch? Fuel your body with something healthy and delicious. The energy of the future is Verve. All your daily Vitamins, Essential Minerals, Mangosteen and Aloe in an energy drink. > ~Well-behaved women seldom make history~ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich>

[Guest guest]

Did you read her book? If not, you don't know the whole story.

Although their story is one you've heard many, many times, it's a good,

easy read if you want to pick it up.

Free at the library,

CGF

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> ...I have a few little issues with her

> experience...

> Grace

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[Guest guest]

Yes I red her book--got it for mothers day. I know he had seizures

and alot of issues. . I know she divorced over it . . .But Society

looks at her and says if her son is " cured " why isn't yours?? My

son with AS is A typical AS and he is dealing with a pretty severe

imunization injury which has hurt his communication abilities he DID

have with the AS. She no where lists the amount she spent on all

these drs interventions ect. Yes I am glad she is out there getting

press and stuff but she also has alot more monies than I can even

get in a lifetime.

Bio Medical is a great route but my son is alergic to Lithium and

many suplements are made in production areas where lithium pills or

similar compounds may of been produced. I have contacted many DAN

dr's about it and it is a very rare alergy and some have said I've

never delt with it. The two where I live won't even touch him. .

(not that I have the 3000 they want when you walk in the door)

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> > ...I have a few little issues with her

> > experience...

> > Grace

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[Guest guest]

There are some shcolarships out there.

places you can contact are NAA, TACA and some DANs themselves have scholarships or will charge you a lot less if your financial status warrants it.

maurine

Subject: Re: McCarthyTo: EOHarm Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 2:45 PM

Yes I red her book--got it for mothers day. I know he had seizures and alot of issues. . I know she divorced over it . . .But Society looks at her and says if her son is "cured" why isn't yours?? My son with AS is A typical AS and he is dealing with a pretty severe imunization injury which has hurt his communication abilities he DID have with the AS. She no where lists the amount she spent on all these drs interventions ect. Yes I am glad she is out there getting press and stuff but she also has alot more monies than I can even get in a lifetime. Bio Medical is a great route but my son is alergic to Lithium and many suplements are made in production areas where lithium pills or similar compounds may of been produced. I have contacted many DAN dr's about it and it is a very rare alergy and some have said I've never delt with it. The two where I live won't even touch him. . (not that I have

the 3000 they want when you walk in the door)> >> > ...I have a few little issues with her > > experience.. .> > Grace> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Grace,

I'm so sorry that you are feeling overwhelmed by the lack of resources you have to pay for Autism treatments. I understand completely. My husband is self-employed and he works non-stop so that I can stay home and be with our boys (both are on the spectrum). We also have 2 daughters (that's 4 kids total). There are days when I cry and cry and I think "if we just had more money we could be all done with Autism..."

But then I remember that God has a different path for each of us to walk, and if I spend my time wishing for what I think might be an easier path, I'm missing the blessings that God has for me along my own path.

Get creative-I asked for cash for birthday presents so that I could pay for tests/treatments. I teamed up with another mom who also has 4 kids/2 on the Spectrum to do several fundraisers such as a spaghetti dinner, a large yard sale, selling Tastefully Simple items...I've written letters explaining the costs of Autism and asked people if they're thinking of us just set $10 aside for the next time they see us, as every little bit helps. Get a good cookbook and learn how to make GFCF foods that taste good so that you aren't always buying pre-made items that are more expensive...include lots of foods that are naturally GFCF-potatoes, rice, lots of fruits and vegs, meats...and only spend $$$ on the things you can't make (like crackers or pretzels for instance...and if you're talented, you can even make those.)

I hope I've been supportive and helpful. My heart truly does go out to you...

Meg

[Guest guest]

If you haven't been spending years on supplements because of this lithium allergy, I'd say find yourself a homeopath who can do the recovery WITHOUT the supplement issue.RoxSubject: Re: McCarthyTo: EOHarm Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 6:45 PM

Yes I red her book--got it for mothers day. I know he had seizures

and alot of issues. . I know she divorced over it . . .But Society

looks at her and says if her son is "cured" why isn't yours?? My

son with AS is A typical AS and he is dealing with a pretty severe

imunization injury which has hurt his communication abilities he DID

have with the AS. She no where lists the amount she spent on all

these drs interventions ect. Yes I am glad she is out there getting

press and stuff but she also has alot more monies than I can even

get in a lifetime.

Bio Medical is a great route but my son is alergic to Lithium and

many suplements are made in production areas where lithium pills or

similar compounds may of been produced. I have contacted many DAN

dr's about it and it is a very rare alergy and some have said I've

never delt with it. The two where I live won't even touch him. .

(not that I have the 3000 they want when you walk in the door)

> >

> > ...I have a few little issues with her

> > experience.. .

> > Grace

> >

>

[Guest guest]

has said that her son isn't cured but recovered. I wonder if he was taken off the diet and other interventions she is doing how he would be. Also, the other recovered children, are they on an maintanence of interventions?

C.

[Guest guest]

she has stated in the past that she will always say recovered and not cured.

M

Subject: Re: McCarthyTo: EOHarm Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 9:59 AM

has said that her son isn't cured but recovered. I wonder if he was taken off the diet and other interventions she is doing how he would be. Also, the other recovered children, are they on an maintanence of interventions?

C.

[Guest guest]

>

> has said that her son isn't cured but recovered. I wonder if

he was taken off the diet and other interventions she is doing how he

would be. Also, the other recovered children, are they on an

maintanence of interventions?

>

> C.

>

My son is one of the lucky ones, he recovered (started diet/supps in

2002). He is no longer gf/cf but still takes some supplements (less

than half as before). I still try to limit his sugar. We pretty much

only drinks water and unsweetened brewed iced tea at our house. We

have stayed away from milk so he doesn't do cereals. He has the

occasional ice cream and cheese. I've noticed if there is too much

dairy his eczema will flare up.

[Guest guest]

I saw speak at a conference last Fall and she openly states that

she believse Evan would regress if she stopped the diet and other

interventions. She truly believes that his diet is what was driving

the autism. Ever since I heard her speak I have a newfound admiration

for her. Her fight was different than mine, our children have

different issues, but I read her first book about autism and realized

she WAS in the same boat as alot of us when our children were first

diagnosed - being put on waiting lists for everything, not getting

straight answers, etc. And then I met her and she is just an

incredible speaker.

>

> has said that her son isn't cured but recovered. I wonder if

he was taken off the diet and other interventions she is doing how he

would be. Also, the other recovered children, are they on an

maintanence of interventions?

>

> C.

>

[Guest guest]

We are in a similar situation, and if my son eats even a cross

contaminated food we have a regression. I can't imagine how bad his

regression would be if he were to go even one meal off the diet. So

although he appears quite 'typical' he is one diet slip away from

being very much disabled. We have only had a few small diet mixups

and the impact it has is beyond description--shocking. He takes

about 2 weeks to get back to himself. If we didn't homeschool I dont

think he could get through it during the schoolyear. I am guessing

this is what you would find among most'recovered' kids.

As far as other interventions, the supplements we do really help,

but it takes a week or so off of them before you can tell any

change, and it is slight. He struggles with very obvious 'depressed'

mood when he goes without his cod liver oil for more than week, but

is still able to get along with school and other activities ok. When

he does without supernuthera for a while we can see a real change in

his ability to stay on task with schoolwork (being mom and teacher

makes me painfully aware of every little change). So I think he

could live without the other interventions, but the diet is his

lifeline to being 'recovered'.

Hope this helped answer your question. It is a tricky issue, are

they or are they not autistic anymore? When one goldish cracker

causes you to manifest so many symptoms, I don't think that is a

question that can be answered definitively.

>

> has said that her son isn't cured but recovered. I wonder

if he was taken off the diet and other interventions she is doing

how he would be. Also, the other recovered children, are they on an

maintanence of interventions?

>

> C.

>

[Guest guest]

I agree. When I first saw her website indigo child, long before she told the world her kid had autism, I thought, is this the new age way to cover up Autism. 4 years ago when we started this journey people looked at us like we had 2 heads that Austin was on diet and enzymes, because of people think its common to see recovery. My kid is far from recovered, but because of I get lots of feed back from parents I only see during football season (husband is a high school football coach) about what a difference a year has made in Austin.

may have more money then us, but she still mortgaged her house, she still did the poop smears, she still cares for her child largely on her own. Instead of keeping her kid hidden like many celebs, she is out walking the walk and talking the talk. It would have been easier for her to take our techniques and walk away with a recovered kid, she took the hard road and came out fighting. Watching the web cast today, she really is just a regular woman who loves her kid and wants to help all our kids.

Primer who lives in Oceanside but is in Carlsbad Unified School District

~All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -- Arthur Schopenhauer

~Well-behaved women seldom make history~ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

McCarthy> > > I was in the ped's office today.> > There was an "anti-jenny" article, copied on colored paper and > laminated, hung above the sink in the exam room. It was written my an > MD w/an adult sister w/ASD.> > We did not discuss it,> CGF> > > Primer who lives in Oceanside but is in Carlsbad Unified School District> Tired of the energy crunch? Fuel your body with something healthy and delicious. The energy of the future is Verve. All your daily Vitamins, Essential Minerals, Mangosteen and Aloe in an energy drink. > ~Well-behaved women seldom make history~ Laurel Thatcher

Ulrich>

[Guest guest]

I am sure this has been covered but on the webcast tonight she said she still monitors Evan;s diet and that she packs a lunch when he goes to party.

Personally I think recovered does not have to mean off diet, if your allergic to peanuts you could recover from the allergic reaction but you can't eat some more.

Primer who lives in Oceanside but is in Carlsbad Unified School District

~All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -- Arthur Schopenhauer

~Well-behaved women seldom make history~ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

Re: McCarthy

has said that her son isn't cured but recovered. I wonder if he was taken off the diet and other interventions she is doing how he would be. Also, the other recovered children, are they on an maintanence of interventions?

C.