Re: I need help deciding about vaccines...I'm new to this so please be kind

[Guest guest]

ann,

A few thoughts...a year ago I was where you are now, and I will try to be gentle here with you.

I have looked on many websites, including the CDC website, www.safeminds.org and about a hundred others pertaining to this issue. It was very hard for me to believe that the government and pediatricians would condone doing anything that wasn't safe for our children.

The first thing that made me sick to my stomach was reading the package insert from the vaccines themselves. They are available to you at the pediatrician's office or online. The ingredients themselves are shocking, but what is more shocking, perhaps, is the lack of long-term, large studies on the safety of the vaccines or the ingredients in them. For example, my daughter received a HepA vaccine that contains latex, formaldehyde and borax among other things, and the study conducted on this vaccine (per the vaccine manufacturer) was a self-reporting study of fewer than 100 children, which lasted two weeks. Not comprehensive, imo.

The other thing that raised my eyebrows is the amount of money the pharma companies pay to the AAP and medical schools. Not for anything overtly sinister, mind you, but there is that pressure to not bite the hand that feeds you...same for the media. Pick up a magazine or turn on the TV. How many pharmaceutical ads do you see? There is a lot of money flowing from drugmakers to newsmakers...again, that unspoken pressure to keep them happy.

As far as your doc telling you he's going to fire you, that was actually a recent directive from the AAP to pediatricians nationwide. It is happening all over the place right now. You can find another ped or GP to see your children.

I think it's VERY suspicious that they are not even willing to follow a delayed schedule. Why the rush? See if they can at least hold off a few years to buy you time to find a doctor who cares more about your child than the money.

Oh I could go on for paragraphs...I just want to BEG you to hold off on the vaccines until you have more information. Then go with your gut.

Subject: I need help deciding about vaccines...I'm new to this so please be kindTo: EOHarm Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 9:24 PM

We have a son that is 3.5 yrs old, he has PDD-NOS, but we did not seethe "typical" regression. Instead, when he was born he was notbreathing (APGAR scores 4 and 9) and needed to be bagged. He did notfeed well and had a very bad case of jaundice (I think one reading wasa 19). Later (at 8 months old) we discovered he had hypotonia (lowmuscle tone)and that is what we believed cause his inability tobreastfeed. He did get his "normal" shots so that means he got HepBbefore he left the hospital (which he left in the normal about of time- he recovered from the not breathing birth). By 3 months old wenoticed hand flapping and repetitive vocalizations - long before hewas exposed to the MMR. His issues seemed to be almost from birth. Fast forward to today. Our second son just turned one. We did noteven consider that our first son could have had been damaged byvaccines because we knew so little about it, he

wasn't even dx'd withASD until he was almost 2.5 and I was very PG with #2. When son #2 wasborn we didn't know anything about vaccine damage so we went ahead anddid a lot of the normal, recommended shots. I am learning more andmore, and now we are confused as to what we should do for son #2. Here is my dilemma, which I am sure you have heard before, but I am sonew to all of this and so very confused. I took son #2 for 1 yr wellchild visit and they wanted to give Prevnar booster #4, MMR, ChickenPox and finger stick for iron. I opted out of MMR and Chicken Pox butdid last prevnar. Doc told me that if we don't do both MMR andChicken Pox by 18 months (along with HepA which is scheduled for 15and 18 months) they will ask us to leave the practice. Our doc has anautistic child too, but does not believe vaccines have anything to dowith child's disorder. I am so confused because I have the AAP andthe doc

and almost all other medical people telling me one thing(vaccines are great and this stuff is just a myth that needs to bedispelled), then on the other hand I have other parents and "kooks(their term not mine)telling me that vaccines are the root cause ofautism. How do I figure out the truth? Please point me to reliableresearch, to real numbers, real websites, good doctors that I can talkto that will listen to my fears and help me work through this. I amnot trying to be a jerk here, I am really new and confused. I havebeen told all my life that the doctors are the good guys, thegovernment wouldn't lie to us and harm us on purpose, etc. But nowI'm just not so sure. I'm scared that if I vaccinate I will give mysecond son autism and I couldn't live with myself if that happened,especially since I do suspect vaccines at least improve the risk. Butthen on the other hand if I don't vaccinate and my son

catchessomething that results in brain damage or death, well how can I livewith that? Oh, someone help me please!!!!!If you made it this far, thank you for listening. I really am just aconfused mommy that doesn't want to harm her babies and I feel like adeer caught in the headlights with no where to turn. If you can,please point me in the right direction (I like information, with realdata I can wade through) thank you so much. And I really hope Ididn't offend anyone, that is not the reason for my post. I am tryingto figure this out and I'm starting way back at the beginning.ann

[Guest guest]

Hi ann!

Welcome! Please do not feel stupid! We are all here to help

eachother. Yes, many doctors have been lied to and really believe

what they are saying (they are in complete denial). If it were me, I

would honestly hold off on all vaccines until you feel completely

comfortable with your decision. In all honesty, if we were truly at

risk for massive outbreaks we would have seen it long ago in the

adult population. Vaccines wear off after about 10 years. Did you

know that 5% of pediatricians won't even vaccinate their own

children? Did you know that doctors and nurses are not even required

to receive boosters? I see them as the biggest risk to society IF

these diseases are as deadly as they say (which they're not).

Buy the book the Vaccine Safety Manual by Neil Z. . Awesome

book packed with references.

Also, check out this website www.vaccination.inoz.com/ingredie.html

My baby and I were injured by vaccines last year. The majority of

doctors are idiots. I can say that with the utmost confidence. They

have harmed many and cannot/will not admit it. Guilt? Fear? I don't

know, but would you admit that vaccines are harmful if you

unknowingly shot up many children? FYI - join the club of

parents " dimissed " by their pediatricians. Who needs them anyways.

They have already proven that they cannot be trusted with your

child's health.

>

> We have a son that is 3.5 yrs old, he has PDD-NOS, but we did not

see

> the " typical " regression. Instead, when he was born he was not

> breathing (APGAR scores 4 and 9) and needed to be bagged. He did

not

> feed well and had a very bad case of jaundice (I think one reading

was

> a 19). Later (at 8 months old) we discovered he had hypotonia (low

> muscle tone)and that is what we believed cause his inability to

> breastfeed. He did get his " normal " shots so that means he got HepB

> before he left the hospital (which he left in the normal about of

time

> - he recovered from the not breathing birth). By 3 months old we

> noticed hand flapping and repetitive vocalizations - long before he

> was exposed to the MMR. His issues seemed to be almost from birth.

> Fast forward to today. Our second son just turned one. We did not

> even consider that our first son could have had been damaged by

> vaccines because we knew so little about it, he wasn't even dx'd

with

> ASD until he was almost 2.5 and I was very PG with #2. When son #2

was

> born we didn't know anything about vaccine damage so we went ahead

and

> did a lot of the normal, recommended shots. I am learning more and

> more, and now we are confused as to what we should do for son #2.

> Here is my dilemma, which I am sure you have heard before, but I am

so

> new to all of this and so very confused. I took son #2 for 1 yr

well

> child visit and they wanted to give Prevnar booster #4, MMR, Chicken

> Pox and finger stick for iron. I opted out of MMR and Chicken Pox

but

> did last prevnar. Doc told me that if we don't do both MMR and

> Chicken Pox by 18 months (along with HepA which is scheduled for 15

> and 18 months) they will ask us to leave the practice. Our doc has

an

> autistic child too, but does not believe vaccines have anything to

do

> with child's disorder. I am so confused because I have the AAP and

> the doc and almost all other medical people telling me one thing

> (vaccines are great and this stuff is just a myth that needs to be

> dispelled), then on the other hand I have other parents and " kooks

> (their term not mine)telling me that vaccines are the root cause of

> autism. How do I figure out the truth? Please point me to reliable

> research, to real numbers, real websites, good doctors that I can

talk

> to that will listen to my fears and help me work through this. I am

> not trying to be a jerk here, I am really new and confused. I have

> been told all my life that the doctors are the good guys, the

> government wouldn't lie to us and harm us on purpose, etc. But now

> I'm just not so sure. I'm scared that if I vaccinate I will give my

> second son autism and I couldn't live with myself if that happened,

> especially since I do suspect vaccines at least improve the risk.

But

> then on the other hand if I don't vaccinate and my son catches

> something that results in brain damage or death, well how can I live

> with that? Oh, someone help me please!!!!!

>

> If you made it this far, thank you for listening. I really am just

a

> confused mommy that doesn't want to harm her babies and I feel like

a

> deer caught in the headlights with no where to turn. If you can,

> please point me in the right direction (I like information, with

real

> data I can wade through) thank you so much. And I really hope I

> didn't offend anyone, that is not the reason for my post. I am

trying

> to figure this out and I'm starting way back at the beginning.

>

> ann

>

[Guest guest]

Ann –

Would you go to a restaurant where they brought you only what

they thought you should have, not what you ordered?!

Why would you take your most precious possessions to a doctor

who does not even consider your concerns regarding their health.

If I were in your shoes (and I was), I would vote with my feet

(which I did).

Liz P

PS – even if you have to pay out of pocket for the new doctor’s

fee, it is still considerably less expensive than lifelong care for a severely

disabled child.

[Guest guest]

ann,

You probably saved your son's life by not getting the " recommended "

MMR, chicken pox and Prevnar all in one visit. I found the book by

Dr. Neil - Vaccines are They Safe and Effective? a great

resource. The only doctors who believe in vaccination are peds

educated by pharma in our medical schools. Any naturalpath,

homopath, chiropractor will say no to vaccination. Find another

doctor. You did good, keep advocating for your children's health and

your family's well being.

>

> We have a son that is 3.5 yrs old, he has PDD-NOS, but we did not

see

> the " typical " regression. Instead, when he was born he was not

> breathing (APGAR scores 4 and 9) and needed to be bagged. He did

not

> feed well and had a very bad case of jaundice (I think one reading

was

> a 19). Later (at 8 months old) we discovered he had hypotonia (low

> muscle tone)and that is what we believed cause his inability to

> breastfeed. He did get his " normal " shots so that means he got HepB

> before he left the hospital (which he left in the normal about of

time

> - he recovered from the not breathing birth). By 3 months old we

> noticed hand flapping and repetitive vocalizations - long before he

> was exposed to the MMR. His issues seemed to be almost from birth.

> Fast forward to today. Our second son just turned one. We did not

> even consider that our first son could have had been damaged by

> vaccines because we knew so little about it, he wasn't even dx'd

with

> ASD until he was almost 2.5 and I was very PG with #2. When son #2

was

> born we didn't know anything about vaccine damage so we went ahead

and

> did a lot of the normal, recommended shots. I am learning more and

> more, and now we are confused as to what we should do for son #2.

> Here is my dilemma, which I am sure you have heard before, but I am

so

> new to all of this and so very confused. I took son #2 for 1 yr

well

> child visit and they wanted to give Prevnar booster #4, MMR, Chicken

> Pox and finger stick for iron. I opted out of MMR and Chicken Pox

but

> did last prevnar. Doc told me that if we don't do both MMR and

> Chicken Pox by 18 months (along with HepA which is scheduled for 15

> and 18 months) they will ask us to leave the practice. Our doc has

an

> autistic child too, but does not believe vaccines have anything to

do

> with child's disorder. I am so confused because I have the AAP and

> the doc and almost all other medical people telling me one thing

> (vaccines are great and this stuff is just a myth that needs to be

> dispelled), then on the other hand I have other parents and " kooks

> (their term not mine)telling me that vaccines are the root cause of

> autism. How do I figure out the truth? Please point me to reliable

> research, to real numbers, real websites, good doctors that I can

talk

> to that will listen to my fears and help me work through this. I am

> not trying to be a jerk here, I am really new and confused. I have

> been told all my life that the doctors are the good guys, the

> government wouldn't lie to us and harm us on purpose, etc. But now

> I'm just not so sure. I'm scared that if I vaccinate I will give my

> second son autism and I couldn't live with myself if that happened,

> especially since I do suspect vaccines at least improve the risk.

But

> then on the other hand if I don't vaccinate and my son catches

> something that results in brain damage or death, well how can I live

> with that? Oh, someone help me please!!!!!

>

> If you made it this far, thank you for listening. I really am just

a

> confused mommy that doesn't want to harm her babies and I feel like

a

> deer caught in the headlights with no where to turn. If you can,

> please point me in the right direction (I like information, with

real

> data I can wade through) thank you so much. And I really hope I

> didn't offend anyone, that is not the reason for my post. I am

trying

> to figure this out and I'm starting way back at the beginning.

>

> ann

>

[Guest guest]

I'm no psychiatrist, but I think if you came HERE to ask this

question, then you already know the answer...follow your heart. Those

children are YOURS not THEIRS.

>

> We have a son that is 3.5 yrs old, he has PDD-NOS, but we did not see

> the " typical " regression. Instead, when he was born he was not

> breathing (APGAR scores 4 and 9) and needed to be bagged. He did not

> feed well and had a very bad case of jaundice (I think one reading was

> a 19). Later (at 8 months old) we discovered he had hypotonia (low

> muscle tone)and that is what we believed cause his inability to

> breastfeed. He did get his " normal " shots so that means he got HepB

> before he left the hospital (which he left in the normal about of time

> - he recovered from the not breathing birth). By 3 months old we

> noticed hand flapping and repetitive vocalizations - long before he

> was exposed to the MMR. His issues seemed to be almost from birth.

> Fast forward to today. Our second son just turned one. We did not

> even consider that our first son could have had been damaged by

> vaccines because we knew so little about it, he wasn't even dx'd with

> ASD until he was almost 2.5 and I was very PG with #2. When son #2 was

> born we didn't know anything about vaccine damage so we went ahead and

> did a lot of the normal, recommended shots. I am learning more and

> more, and now we are confused as to what we should do for son #2.

> Here is my dilemma, which I am sure you have heard before, but I am so

> new to all of this and so very confused. I took son #2 for 1 yr well

> child visit and they wanted to give Prevnar booster #4, MMR, Chicken

> Pox and finger stick for iron. I opted out of MMR and Chicken Pox but

> did last prevnar. Doc told me that if we don't do both MMR and

> Chicken Pox by 18 months (along with HepA which is scheduled for 15

> and 18 months) they will ask us to leave the practice. Our doc has an

> autistic child too, but does not believe vaccines have anything to do

> with child's disorder. I am so confused because I have the AAP and

> the doc and almost all other medical people telling me one thing

> (vaccines are great and this stuff is just a myth that needs to be

> dispelled), then on the other hand I have other parents and " kooks

> (their term not mine)telling me that vaccines are the root cause of

> autism. How do I figure out the truth? Please point me to reliable

> research, to real numbers, real websites, good doctors that I can talk

> to that will listen to my fears and help me work through this. I am

> not trying to be a jerk here, I am really new and confused. I have

> been told all my life that the doctors are the good guys, the

> government wouldn't lie to us and harm us on purpose, etc. But now

> I'm just not so sure. I'm scared that if I vaccinate I will give my

> second son autism and I couldn't live with myself if that happened,

> especially since I do suspect vaccines at least improve the risk. But

> then on the other hand if I don't vaccinate and my son catches

> something that results in brain damage or death, well how can I live

> with that? Oh, someone help me please!!!!!

>

> If you made it this far, thank you for listening. I really am just a

> confused mommy that doesn't want to harm her babies and I feel like a

> deer caught in the headlights with no where to turn. If you can,

> please point me in the right direction (I like information, with real

> data I can wade through) thank you so much. And I really hope I

> didn't offend anyone, that is not the reason for my post. I am trying

> to figure this out and I'm starting way back at the beginning.

>

> ann

>

[Guest guest]

If you like me and want to see data it is all over the place, it's

really not that hard to find. But I always like to start parents at

www.generationrescue.org they have alot of studies compiled in an

easy to sort through format.

Follow YOUR gut. Doctors right now don't realize how they are being

misled by the AAP. Slowly though some are starting to realize it.

>

> We have a son that is 3.5 yrs old, he has PDD-NOS, but we did not see

> the " typical " regression. Instead, when he was born he was not

> breathing (APGAR scores 4 and 9) and needed to be bagged. He did not

> feed well and had a very bad case of jaundice (I think one reading was

> a 19). Later (at 8 months old) we discovered he had hypotonia (low

> muscle tone)and that is what we believed cause his inability to

> breastfeed. He did get his " normal " shots so that means he got HepB

> before he left the hospital (which he left in the normal about of time

> - he recovered from the not breathing birth). By 3 months old we

> noticed hand flapping and repetitive vocalizations - long before he

> was exposed to the MMR. His issues seemed to be almost from birth.

> Fast forward to today. Our second son just turned one. We did not

> even consider that our first son could have had been damaged by

> vaccines because we knew so little about it, he wasn't even dx'd with

> ASD until he was almost 2.5 and I was very PG with #2. When son #2 was

> born we didn't know anything about vaccine damage so we went ahead and

> did a lot of the normal, recommended shots. I am learning more and

> more, and now we are confused as to what we should do for son #2.

> Here is my dilemma, which I am sure you have heard before, but I am so

> new to all of this and so very confused. I took son #2 for 1 yr well

> child visit and they wanted to give Prevnar booster #4, MMR, Chicken

> Pox and finger stick for iron. I opted out of MMR and Chicken Pox but

> did last prevnar. Doc told me that if we don't do both MMR and

> Chicken Pox by 18 months (along with HepA which is scheduled for 15

> and 18 months) they will ask us to leave the practice. Our doc has an

> autistic child too, but does not believe vaccines have anything to do

> with child's disorder. I am so confused because I have the AAP and

> the doc and almost all other medical people telling me one thing

> (vaccines are great and this stuff is just a myth that needs to be

> dispelled), then on the other hand I have other parents and " kooks

> (their term not mine)telling me that vaccines are the root cause of

> autism. How do I figure out the truth? Please point me to reliable

> research, to real numbers, real websites, good doctors that I can talk

> to that will listen to my fears and help me work through this. I am

> not trying to be a jerk here, I am really new and confused. I have

> been told all my life that the doctors are the good guys, the

> government wouldn't lie to us and harm us on purpose, etc. But now

> I'm just not so sure. I'm scared that if I vaccinate I will give my

> second son autism and I couldn't live with myself if that happened,

> especially since I do suspect vaccines at least improve the risk. But

> then on the other hand if I don't vaccinate and my son catches

> something that results in brain damage or death, well how can I live

> with that? Oh, someone help me please!!!!!

>

> If you made it this far, thank you for listening. I really am just a

> confused mommy that doesn't want to harm her babies and I feel like a

> deer caught in the headlights with no where to turn. If you can,

> please point me in the right direction (I like information, with real

> data I can wade through) thank you so much. And I really hope I

> didn't offend anyone, that is not the reason for my post. I am trying

> to figure this out and I'm starting way back at the beginning.

>

> ann

>

[Guest guest]

The medical assoc. doesn't make money on people who are well.

Vaccines do **nothing**, but create dis ease. The gov't lies all the

time. Their even poisoning our water. Look at the truth of what's

really happening. Your doc probably even lied about having an

autistic child. Vaccines DO cause autism. All you have to do is

examine the ingredients of the vaccines to know what's really

happening. It's that simple.

Connie

> >

> > We have a son that is 3.5 yrs old, he has PDD-NOS, but we did not

see

> > the " typical " regression. Instead, when he was born he was not

> > breathing (APGAR scores 4 and 9) and needed to be bagged. He did

not

> > feed well and had a very bad case of jaundice (I think one

reading was

> > a 19). Later (at 8 months old) we discovered he had hypotonia

(low

> > muscle tone)and that is what we believed cause his inability to

> > breastfeed. He did get his " normal " shots so that means he got

HepB

> > before he left the hospital (which he left in the normal about of

time

> > - he recovered from the not breathing birth). By 3 months old we

> > noticed hand flapping and repetitive vocalizations - long before

he

> > was exposed to the MMR. His issues seemed to be almost from

birth.

> > Fast forward to today. Our second son just turned one. We did

not

> > even consider that our first son could have had been damaged by

> > vaccines because we knew so little about it, he wasn't even dx'd

with

> > ASD until he was almost 2.5 and I was very PG with #2. When son

#2 was

> > born we didn't know anything about vaccine damage so we went

ahead and

> > did a lot of the normal, recommended shots. I am learning more

and

> > more, and now we are confused as to what we should do for son #2.

> > Here is my dilemma, which I am sure you have heard before, but I

am so

> > new to all of this and so very confused. I took son #2 for 1 yr

well

> > child visit and they wanted to give Prevnar booster #4, MMR,

Chicken

> > Pox and finger stick for iron. I opted out of MMR and Chicken

Pox but

> > did last prevnar. Doc told me that if we don't do both MMR and

> > Chicken Pox by 18 months (along with HepA which is scheduled for

15

> > and 18 months) they will ask us to leave the practice. Our doc

has an

> > autistic child too, but does not believe vaccines have anything

to do

> > with child's disorder. I am so confused because I have the AAP

and

> > the doc and almost all other medical people telling me one thing

> > (vaccines are great and this stuff is just a myth that needs to be

> > dispelled), then on the other hand I have other parents and " kooks

> > (their term not mine)telling me that vaccines are the root cause

of

> > autism. How do I figure out the truth? Please point me to

reliable

> > research, to real numbers, real websites, good doctors that I can

talk

> > to that will listen to my fears and help me work through this. I

am

> > not trying to be a jerk here, I am really new and confused. I

have

> > been told all my life that the doctors are the good guys, the

> > government wouldn't lie to us and harm us on purpose, etc. But

now

> > I'm just not so sure. I'm scared that if I vaccinate I will give

my

> > second son autism and I couldn't live with myself if that

happened,

> > especially since I do suspect vaccines at least improve the

risk. But

> > then on the other hand if I don't vaccinate and my son catches

> > something that results in brain damage or death, well how can I

live

> > with that? Oh, someone help me please!!!!!

> >

> > If you made it this far, thank you for listening. I really am

just a

> > confused mommy that doesn't want to harm her babies and I feel

like a

> > deer caught in the headlights with no where to turn. If you can,

> > please point me in the right direction (I like information, with

real

> > data I can wade through) thank you so much. And I really hope I

> > didn't offend anyone, that is not the reason for my post. I am

trying

> > to figure this out and I'm starting way back at the beginning.

> >

> > ann

> >

>

[Guest guest]

ann - here is a link to all of the U.S. Licensed Vaccines. I

meant to post it yesterday. Just compare this link with the

description of vaccine ingredients (which I am also posting again).

http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf (click on right hand

column)

www.vaccination.inox.com/ingredie.html

The FDA doesn't test anything (which they state on their website).

They rely on the drug companies' reports. Quite honestly, I don't

know what their job is.

Also, go to www.ageofautism.com The director of the CDC recently

made a startling admission in front of the House of Appropriations (I

guess your doctor is not aware of).

Also, there was this recent admission by Bernadine Healy. Your

doctor must not know about this either.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=4088138n

Please don't ever hesitate to email me personally too. My family has

been through quite a lot because of following doctor's orders in

regard to vaccines. I have a lot of info, along with many others on

this board.

Take care,

Dawn

dawndanc@...

>

> We have a son that is 3.5 yrs old, he has PDD-NOS, but we did not

see

> the " typical " regression. Instead, when he was born he was not

> breathing (APGAR scores 4 and 9) and needed to be bagged. He did

not

> feed well and had a very bad case of jaundice (I think one reading

was

> a 19). Later (at 8 months old) we discovered he had hypotonia (low

> muscle tone)and that is what we believed cause his inability to

> breastfeed. He did get his " normal " shots so that means he got HepB

> before he left the hospital (which he left in the normal about of

time

> - he recovered from the not breathing birth). By 3 months old we

> noticed hand flapping and repetitive vocalizations - long before he

> was exposed to the MMR. His issues seemed to be almost from birth.

> Fast forward to today. Our second son just turned one. We did not

> even consider that our first son could have had been damaged by

> vaccines because we knew so little about it, he wasn't even dx'd

with

> ASD until he was almost 2.5 and I was very PG with #2. When son #2

was

> born we didn't know anything about vaccine damage so we went ahead

and

> did a lot of the normal, recommended shots. I am learning more and

> more, and now we are confused as to what we should do for son #2.

> Here is my dilemma, which I am sure you have heard before, but I am

so

> new to all of this and so very confused. I took son #2 for 1 yr

well

> child visit and they wanted to give Prevnar booster #4, MMR, Chicken

> Pox and finger stick for iron. I opted out of MMR and Chicken Pox

but

> did last prevnar. Doc told me that if we don't do both MMR and

> Chicken Pox by 18 months (along with HepA which is scheduled for 15

> and 18 months) they will ask us to leave the practice. Our doc has

an

> autistic child too, but does not believe vaccines have anything to

do

> with child's disorder. I am so confused because I have the AAP and

> the doc and almost all other medical people telling me one thing

> (vaccines are great and this stuff is just a myth that needs to be

> dispelled), then on the other hand I have other parents and " kooks

> (their term not mine)telling me that vaccines are the root cause of

> autism. How do I figure out the truth? Please point me to reliable

> research, to real numbers, real websites, good doctors that I can

talk

> to that will listen to my fears and help me work through this. I am

> not trying to be a jerk here, I am really new and confused. I have

> been told all my life that the doctors are the good guys, the

> government wouldn't lie to us and harm us on purpose, etc. But now

> I'm just not so sure. I'm scared that if I vaccinate I will give my

> second son autism and I couldn't live with myself if that happened,

> especially since I do suspect vaccines at least improve the risk.

But

> then on the other hand if I don't vaccinate and my son catches

> something that results in brain damage or death, well how can I live

> with that? Oh, someone help me please!!!!!

>

> If you made it this far, thank you for listening. I really am just

a

> confused mommy that doesn't want to harm her babies and I feel like

a

> deer caught in the headlights with no where to turn. If you can,

> please point me in the right direction (I like information, with

real

> data I can wade through) thank you so much. And I really hope I

> didn't offend anyone, that is not the reason for my post. I am

trying

> to figure this out and I'm starting way back at the beginning.

>

> ann

>

[Guest guest]

The risks from the MMR aren't just autism but also crohn's-like GI

disorders and possibly asthma and respiratory distress.

There's just so much junk in vaccines that shouldn't be there anyway,

thus the " Green Our Vaccines " rally. There's formaldehyde for one,

which is cross reactive with either the mercury in vaccines or the

considerable mercury in the environment. Then antifreeze and aluminum

and the rest. So many kids are chronically sick these days, so many

LD and these conditions just don't show up at anywhere near these

rates in unvaccinated populations. Vaccinated kids are the sickest. I

think once they clean up the vaccines and show what's really

necessary, it will be a real choice but for now, it's just a crap

shoot.

Read Jepson's book, " Changing the Course of Autism " to understand

some of the mechanisms and, of course, Kirby's " Evidence of

Harm " . Everyone recommends Cave's book, " What Your Doctor

Didn't Tell You about Childhood Vaccines " .

And never stay with a pediatrician who tries to strong arm or coerce

you into treatments like this. What if, one day, this doc decides

that one or both of your kids has to be on, say, psychiatric drugs?

What if, like many docs, this practice takes huge kickbacks from drug

companies? And what if they report you to child services because you

say " no " and charge you with medical neglect even if you can prove

that the drugs cause heart failure, seizures, brain cell death, etc.?

It happens. Here's an alternative list of peds who are friendly to

parents' choices on vaccines (I have to find the URL for this since

the list copies very badly, but you get the idea-- there are

alternatives):

State City/area Name

AL Sheffeild Dr. Das S. Kanuru ()

AR Greenwood Dr. White

AZ Phoenix Dr. Baral and Dr. Mitchel ND ()

AZ Chandler Dr.

AZ sdale Dr. Sam and Dr. Doris Rapp

AZ Tempe Dr. Colleen Huber ()

AZ

AZ

Mesa

Mesa

Dr. Ruth Tan Lim and Dr. Rubin Espinosa

Dr. G L Bansal ()

CA

CA

CA

Capistrano Beach

Escondido

Mariposa Dr. Sears

Dr Todd Harker

Hope Ewing

CA San Diego Dr. Adema

CA Barstow Dr. Case

CA Los Feliz

Dr. Bernadine Celoni, Dr. Sandy Lai, Dr. Fleiss

CA Riverside Dr Pickett (Riverside Neighborhood Health Center)

CA

CA

Bakersfield

Burbank

Dr. Rehana Rafiq

Dr. Chern ( Valley Health Care Medical Group )

CA Santa Dr. Jody Lappin

CA LA/Santa Dr. Jay Gordon, Nessbaum, and Jody Lappin

CO

CO

Lakewood

Conifer

Dr. Schindel, PA (Mile High Family Medicine 303-936-

0022)

Dr. Terence Trinka (Optometrist, Naturopathic Dr. and Nutritionist -

)

CO

CO

Colorado Springs

Colorado Springs

Dr. Ty (chiropractor)

Dr. Flesia (chiropractor; )

CT Greenwitch Dr. ()

CT Mystic Dr. Kendra Becker

FL

FL

Clearwater Dr. Rose (Rainbow Pediatrics)

Dr. -Curtis

FL

FL

FL

FL

FL

Lakeland

Lake Worth

Melbourne

Miramar

Miami

Dr. III ( clinic south)

Edelstein Pediatrics ()

Farid Maged MD ()

Dr. H.E. Fang- ()

Dr. Geraldi ()

FL ville Dr. Miles and Dr. Carolina Ceron (Progressive

Pediatrics)

FL

FL

Orlando

Vero Beach

Dr. Franz

Dr. Westberry, Dr. ()

GA

GA

Northwest

sville

Dr. Wayne Darville

Dr. Payne (sville Pediatrics)

GA Alpharetta Dr. Vaishali Kute

GA

Norcross Dr. Abrams

GA Roswell Dr. Seneca

GA Athens Dr. Victor Payton

GA Norcross Dr. Jeffry Abrams

GA Augusta Dr. Getts

GA Dacula Dr. Rene Latoni (Covenant Family Practice)

GA Augusta/ Dr. Foushee

GA Augusta Dr. (Main office in North Augusta, SC)

GA

GA

GA

Alpharetta

Rome

Calhoun

Dr. Kute

Dr. and Dr. (Harbin clinic )

All God's Children Pediatric -

IA

ID Boone

Boise Dr. Mehlhaus ()

Dr. Ullery (Treasure Valley Pediatrics)

IL

IL

IL

Chicago

Ottowa

Monticello Dr. Mayer Eisenstein (Homefirst)

Dr. Dawn Meisner

Dr. Ann Marty

IL

IL

St. /Riverside

Rockford

Dr. Brannick/Dr. Shah

University of Chicago Family Care Center

IL North Suburbs Dr. Afshan Hameedudin

IN

IN

ville

Greenwood Dr. Rick Montgomery chiro. ()

Dr. Fox ()

KS

KS

Manhattan

Mission Dr. Duff (Pediatrics Association)

Dr. Suzanne Alt

KS Overland Park Dr. Mark Kahler

KY Albany Dr. Sheriley

KY Murray Dr. Austin

KY Louisville Dr. Daly (Brownsboro Park Pediatrics)

LA

LA

LA

LA

Baton Rouge

Covington

Hammond

DeRidder

Dr. Cave ()

Dr. Kami Dehler, ND, MW

Dr. J Leumas

Dr. Perkins ()

MA

Chelmsford/Brookline Dr Janet Levatin Dr. Soloman (Harvard

Vangard Medical Ctr.)

MA Dr. Kisiel

MA Holliston Dr. Kennon

ME

ME

Auburn

Norridgewock Dr.

Dr. Baker

MI

MI

son

Clawson Dr. Moscovic and Dr. Abraham (ston Medical Group,

O'Neil's office)

Dr. Sanford Lax

MI Grand Rapids Dr. Sova (Cascade Family Practice)

MI Lansing Dr. Page-Echols ()

MI Lansing Dr. Jean-Guy Daigneauly, Chiropractor ()

MI

MI

MI

Flint

Troy

West Bloomfield

Dr. Kienan

Dr. Molly O'Shea ( http://www.birminghampediatrics.com/

Dr. Parke- (both Dr. and ND.)

MN

MT

Minneapolis

Missoula Dr. Benzie

Dr. Soloniuk, Dr. Jay Lowder (Missoula Pediatrics)

MO

MO

MO

MO

Ballwin

Nixa

Creve Couer

Webster Groves

Dr.

Dr. Krista Boyd

Dr. Sara Ayers

Dr. Chrisitan Wessling

NC

NC

NC

Ashville

field

noa/Buncombe County Dr. Bridgette Fogleman ()

Dr. Sally Carpenter ()

Dr. (noa Valley Family Medicine)

NC Charlotte Dr. s (Cabarrus Pediatrics)

NE Omaha Dr. Whitcomb,Dr. Emilio Arispe (Methodist Physicians

Clinic)

NH Hoksett Dr. Doyle (Elliot Hospital)

NJ

NJ

NJ

Brick

Holmdel

Mullica Hill

Dr. Cascarina (Our Family Practice)

Dr. Huang

Dr. McAveney (Underwood Family Care)

NM Roswell Dr. Whitlock

NM Albuquerque Dr. Liljestrand, Dr. Jochems (Presbyterian

Medical Group )

NV Las Vegas Dr. Dahlia Wachs

NV Las Vegas Dr. Shazia Kirmani

NY Hoosick Falls Dr. Baker-Poranzinski

NY

NY

New Hartford

Olean

Dr. Jane Samson ()

Dr. Pamela T. Salzmann, D.O. (Olean Medical Group )

OH Dayton Dr. Jonas

OH Lakewood Dr. Jen Snyder ()

OH Cuyahoga Falls Dr. Morton Saunders

OH

OH

OH

OH

Southeast

Toledo

Springfield

Richfield/Cleveland

Dr. Lawrence

Dr. Hider (lin Park Pediatric)

Dr. Chitkara, M.D

Dr. Cheryl Leuthauser (Dan Doctor - Integrative Well Care 330-239-

2320)

OK Jenks Dr. Gerald Wooten DO

OR Medford Dr. e Groskopp

OR Roseburg Dr. Seals

OR

PA

Portland

Camp Hill

Dr. Oller (Oregon Pediatrics - Providence Plaza)

Tann and

PA

PA

Monessen

Jeannette

Dr. Dawn McCracken, MD (Mon Valey Health Center - )

Dr. Rana Ziadeh (Children's Community Pediatrics)

PA Pennsburg Dr. Ciannfranni

PA Pittsburgh Dr. Aboosi

PA Greensburg Childrens Community Pediatric at Mt. View

PA

PA

PA

Lansdale

berry

Monongahela

Dr. Larry DAN ()

Dr. Dunkleburger ()

Dr. Reppipi ()

PA

PA

New Britain

North-eastern Dr. Porrino ()

Pocono Adult and Pediatric Medical Group

PA Phoenixville Dr. Ira Cantor

PA Pottstown Tri-County Chiropractic

PA

SC

SC

Easton

North ton

Newberry

Dr. Caso (Tender Care Pediatrics )

Dr. Craig Koniver (Primary Plus Family Medicine; )

Dr. Holtzer (Newberry Pediatric Clinic)

TN

TN

TN

TN

TN

TN

TN

TN

TN

TX

TX

Bristol

Brentwood

Cookeville

sville

lin

Gordonsville

Knoxville

Madionville

Newport

Corinth

Amarillo

Dr. Brett Odum

land Farms Pediatrics ()

Dr. Casal (Kids Kare)

Dr. Barbara Aquino

Dr. B. Kalb (Cool Springs Family Medicine)

Dr. Moss

Dr Rhea (Pediatric Consultants West)

Smiley Family Chiropractic & Wellness Center ()

Newport Pediatrics ()

Dr. Torrie

Dr. Shari Medford

TX Plano Dr. Rao

TX Frisco Dr. Bain

TX

TX

Garland

Irving

Dr. Carla Cole

Dr. Fran Rose

TX Lavernia , N.P.

TX McKinney Dr. Sutton, Dr. , Dr. Tod Burton, and Dr. Reyes

TX Wichita Falls Dr. Mike Agyupong

TX Dallas Dr. Karin Bergman

TX Austin Dr. Sharon Leong

TX Houston Dr. Jeoffrey Wolens (VIP Pediatrics )

TX

TX

Dallas

Schertz

Dr. Tammy Kennedy

Dr Gloria (210- 654-9300)

UT

UT

UT

American Fork

Ogden

South Jordan Dr. Mumford (Utah Valley Pedatrics)

Dr. Stokes (Mckay Dee)

Dr.

UT Stansbury Dr.

VA Chester Caldwell Pediatric and Wellness Center

VA Virginia Beach Dr. Fred Fink ()

WA

WA Mill Creek

Federal Way Dr. Shlafer ()

Rasmussen ND

WA Seattle Chenelle , ND, LM

WA

WA

Arlington

Silverdale

Dr. Caroline Stampfli

Dr Reimer (Kitsap Childrens Clinic)

WI Monroe Janis King, N.P. (Monroe Clinic)

WV Princeton Dr. Safder

WV ton Dr. Jayaram

>

> We have a son that is 3.5 yrs old, he has PDD-NOS, but we did not

see

> the " typical " regression. Instead, when he was born he was not

> breathing (APGAR scores 4 and 9) and needed to be bagged. He did

not

>

[Guest guest]

The REAL DATA are these parents who have been there and done what they could to clean out the crud that interfered with their children's bodies,.

We all have to fight the established THOUGHT FORMS in order to heal each individually damaged child. The symtoms vary a great deal from child to child. Depends which kind of doctor you are in front of for a diagnosis will be called one or another thing. It is brain damage , it is gut issues, it is developmental issues it is all of the above. My kid is 47, I didn't know what all of his issues were through the years 'til I heard what all of these parents have put up with, now I know what his very early problems were about, thanks to these folks and Kirby.

You are young enough, fortunatly smart enough to read the back log of what has been said here. It is very clear when you read first person accounts.

One -person- control groups....before / and after.

I t is all in here. good luck , Nora G

I need help deciding about vaccines...I'm new to this so please be kind

We have a son that is 3.5 yrs old, he has PDD-NOS, but we did not seethe "typical" regression. Instead, when he was born he was notbreathing (APGAR scores 4 and 9) and needed to be bagged. He did notfeed well and had a very bad case of jaundice (I think one reading wasa 19). Later (at 8 months old) we discovered he had hypotonia (lowmuscle tone)and that is what we believed cause his inability tobreastfeed. He did get his "normal" shots so that means he got HepBbefore he left the hospital (which he left in the normal about of time- he recovered from the not breathing birth). By 3 months old wenoticed hand flapping and repetitive vocalizations - long before hewas exposed to the MMR. His issues seemed to be almost from birth. Fast forward to today. Our second son just turned one. We did noteven consider that our first son could have had been damaged byvaccines because we knew so little about it, he wasn't even dx'd withASD until he was almost 2.5 and I was very PG with #2. When son #2 wasborn we didn't know anything about vaccine damage so we went ahead anddid a lot of the normal, recommended shots. I am learning more andmore, and now we are confused as to what we should do for son #2. Here is my dilemma, which I am sure you have heard before, but I am sonew to all of this and so very confused. I took son #2 for 1 yr wellchild visit and they wanted to give Prevnar booster #4, MMR, ChickenPox and finger stick for iron. I opted out of MMR and Chicken Pox butdid last prevnar. Doc told me that if we don't do both MMR andChicken Pox by 18 months (along with HepA which is scheduled for 15and 18 months) they will ask us to leave the practice. Our doc has anautistic child too, but does not believe vaccines have anything to dowith child's disorder. I am so confused because I have the AAP andthe doc and almost all other medical people telling me one thing(vaccines are great and this stuff is just a myth that needs to bedispelled), then on the other hand I have other parents and "kooks(their term not mine)telling me that vaccines are the root cause ofautism. How do I figure out the truth? Please point me to reliableresearch, to real numbers, real websites, good doctors that I can talkto that will listen to my fears and help me work through this. I amnot trying to be a jerk here, I am really new and confused. I havebeen told all my life that the doctors are the good guys, thegovernment wouldn't lie to us and harm us on purpose, etc. But nowI'm just not so sure. I'm scared that if I vaccinate I will give mysecond son autism and I couldn't live with myself if that happened,especially since I do suspect vaccines at least improve the risk. Butthen on the other hand if I don't vaccinate and my son catchessomething that results in brain damage or death, well how can I livewith that? Oh, someone help me please!!!!!If you made it this far, thank you for listening. I really am just aconfused mommy that doesn't want to harm her babies and I feel like adeer caught in the headlights with no where to turn. If you can,please point me in the right direction (I like information, with realdata I can wade through) thank you so much. And I really hope Ididn't offend anyone, that is not the reason for my post. I am tryingto figure this out and I'm starting way back at the beginning.ann

[Guest guest]

please visit:

http://www.generationrescue.org/

tons of info and research and advice

[Guest guest]

Check out nvic.org - excellent website with lots of good info about

vaccines. Also: generationrescue.com has good info, possible links to

doctors in your area that may be more friendly to you (btw, why must

you use a pediatrician? We switched to a General Practioner/Family

doc and he is so much more understanding about the issue), links to

books, other websites, etc...

Check out:

Autism Research Institute

Fair Autism Media

Read and learn the facts. It was easy to make up my mind after I did

that. Good Luck!

>

> We have a son that is 3.5 yrs old, he has PDD-NOS, but we did not

see

> the " typical " regression. Instead, when he was born he was not

> breathing (APGAR scores 4 and 9) and needed to be bagged. He did

not

> feed well and had a very bad case of jaundice (I think one reading

was

> a 19). Later (at 8 months old) we discovered he had hypotonia (low

> muscle tone)and that is what we believed cause his inability to

> breastfeed. He did get his " normal " shots so that means he got HepB

> before he left the hospital (which he left in the normal about of

time

> - he recovered from the not breathing birth). By 3 months old we

> noticed hand flapping and repetitive vocalizations - long before he

> was exposed to the MMR. His issues seemed to be almost from birth.

> Fast forward to today. Our second son just turned one. We did not

> even consider that our first son could have had been damaged by

> vaccines because we knew so little about it, he wasn't even dx'd

with

> ASD until he was almost 2.5 and I was very PG with #2. When son #2

was

> born we didn't know anything about vaccine damage so we went ahead

and

> did a lot of the normal, recommended shots. I am learning more and

> more, and now we are confused as to what we should do for son #2.

> Here is my dilemma, which I am sure you have heard before, but I am

so

> new to all of this and so very confused. I took son #2 for 1 yr

well

> child visit and they wanted to give Prevnar booster #4, MMR, Chicken

> Pox and finger stick for iron. I opted out of MMR and Chicken Pox

but

> did last prevnar. Doc told me that if we don't do both MMR and

> Chicken Pox by 18 months (along with HepA which is scheduled for 15

> and 18 months) they will ask us to leave the practice. Our doc has

an

> autistic child too, but does not believe vaccines have anything to

do

> with child's disorder. I am so confused because I have the AAP and

> the doc and almost all other medical people telling me one thing

> (vaccines are great and this stuff is just a myth that needs to be

> dispelled), then on the other hand I have other parents and " kooks

> (their term not mine)telling me that vaccines are the root cause of

> autism. How do I figure out the truth? Please point me to reliable

> research, to real numbers, real websites, good doctors that I can

talk

> to that will listen to my fears and help me work through this. I am

> not trying to be a jerk here, I am really new and confused. I have

> been told all my life that the doctors are the good guys, the

> government wouldn't lie to us and harm us on purpose, etc. But now

> I'm just not so sure. I'm scared that if I vaccinate I will give my

> second son autism and I couldn't live with myself if that happened,

> especially since I do suspect vaccines at least improve the risk.

But

> then on the other hand if I don't vaccinate and my son catches

> something that results in brain damage or death, well how can I live

> with that? Oh, someone help me please!!!!!

>

> If you made it this far, thank you for listening. I really am just

a

> confused mommy that doesn't want to harm her babies and I feel like

a

> deer caught in the headlights with no where to turn. If you can,

> please point me in the right direction (I like information, with

real

> data I can wade through) thank you so much. And I really hope I

> didn't offend anyone, that is not the reason for my post. I am

trying

> to figure this out and I'm starting way back at the beginning.

>

> ann

>