Guest guest Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 Hi, I don't know about the cross contamination question other than people say it is very possible. But, one person can get sick and another not from mold because people have different susceptibilities and tolerances to it, and importantly some people detox well and others do not. We have 1 sick family member out of four. HOpe this helps. sue >How is it possible for him to live next door to a mold contaminated townhouse and not have cross contamination but I bring a few things to my sisters and both me and my mother are symptomatic? None of this makes any sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 there can be allergies and or genitics involved, you have become sensitized to mold and it's by products, maybe your mom was sometime in the past without realizeing it. if could be that the dose your neighbors are getting might be much lower than what you were getting, they may be haveing some symptoms that they just haven't connected to the mold problem yet, headackes, nasal stuffiness, just felling not up to par. lots of possabilities there, hard to say. the cross contamination thing, being sensitized well make you reactive to things that have be contaminated with mold, wet or dry, even if you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not there. like with the tv in the box, the box might be the problem. this is not cross contamination, in my view, cross contamination would happen something like this, either by way of objects with contaminated dry dust and the dust getting into the new invironment, for some people and depending on whats in that dust, it could keep people reacting, and a moisture sorce, even humidity could lead to mold growth. object that absorb moisture like a box could actually have mold growth going on instead of just dry dust and still be putting out airborn spores,toxins,other particles,chemicals,voc's ect. I think some molds can survive with very little moisture,maybe not enough to get in a all out growing everywhere form but maybe to some extent. dry toxic mold dust could have alot of whats toxic about it still in that dust and be even more airborn. there can also be a residue of sorts on objects that can be hard and with some things impossable to wash away,you might get lots of thoughts on what this is or how if affects people so I dont really want to comment on it. anything porus seems to hang on to the smell of mold and there may be a earthy,dirt type smll to things that some connect to certain mycotoxins. it may be hard for some to understand how or why a smell can affect people, but it has to be putting something into the air but how much could possably be judged by how close you can get to it before you smell it, but please dont go around stiffing all your belongings, it could make you sicker. you might consider putting your things in storage somewhere for awhile and if later you try to see if you can clean or save anything do it outside where you can be breathing fresh air,wear mask and gloves,ect. you might be better off throwing porus things away. if you fell the contamination is pretty bed you might not want to deal with trying to save anything. right now you need to get just get away from it all and have some recovery time, and save dealing with your belongings for later on. if you can at some point lesson your reaction to these thing you might be able to tolerate some of them later on, they also might mellow out some with dry storage than clean fresh air, some things might be helped alot by setting in the sun and fresh air for several days, watch out for moisture though. every recieves different levels of exposure to different types of molds and other contaminates that can be involved, so it's different for everyone, some recover better than others to. I'm sure you well get some different views on this. > > I recently bought a condo that had unbeknownest to me had mold (yes I had the property inspected) To make a long story short I think I may have cross contaminated my sisters house which is where Im currently living. > > I only brought over a few clothes and I had washed them but there were times when I had to go to the townhouse and spend the night because some one had tried to break in so I had to make it look I was there > > The townhouse had been remeditated for mold but after a second air test it tested for high yeast count thats when I moved. > > Here's the list of the things I brought to the house but they only stayed for 24 hours > > A few clothes > A wooden watch case > Small safe > Camera with case > My computer which was never turned on > Monitor and printer which were never connected > 42' tv that was still in the original box > > Once I realized Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Thanks Sue, I went over to my next door neighbors house and I couldnt believe what a pig sty it was. He had 3 snakes which constantly need moisture 6 rats, crickets to feed the rats and two out of control dogs. When I showed me his bathroom I couldnt believe that there was actually black mold around his light fixture that was in the center of the bathroom ceiling. Because he's got the snakes it's a must that he keep the temperature to his townhouse at a constant 75 degrees and when the snakes are sheding he HAS to constantly spray water on them which as you know is the perfect condition for mold. I have this smell coming from the cavity that runs along the ceiling and the second floor bathroom subfloor and for the life of me I couldnt figure out where it was coming from, it is so pungent that I've had plumbers, the HOA maintenance man, the industrial Hygienist and the mold remediater try to figure it out but no one had a clue as to what it was. After I went into my neighbors townhouse I knew exactly where it was coming from but for whatever reason the smell only comes through the cavity that leads to my bathroom Even after all that I'll be darned if this guy doesn't isnt sick from mold. For the life of me I cant figure it out. > > Hi, > > I don't know about the cross contamination question other than people > say it is very possible. But, one person can get sick and another not > from mold because people have different susceptibilities and tolerances > to it, and importantly some people detox well and others do not. We > have 1 sick family member out of four. HOpe this helps. sue > > >How is it possible for him to live next door to a mold contaminated > townhouse and not have cross contamination but I bring a few things to > my sisters and both me and my mother are symptomatic? None of this makes > any sense > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Thanks for replying , the mold remediator remediated for mold but I was still getting dizzy so I called the HOA and said I was still having some health issues. They told me the crawl space had been remediated by a professional and and was declared clean so if I wanted any further testing done I'd have to pay for it myself which I did. I spent $850 for a Industrial Hygienist and his test results showed the mold to be within exceptional level but I had an unusually high count of yeast. Two days after I received the news I moved out and moved into my sisters. I've talked to God only knows how many industrial hygienists over the phone and they have all said the chances of cross contamination are low and that I shouldn't worry but when I see the majority of people in the house having some kind of allergic reaction for no reason it causes me concern. Any input you could give me would greatly be appreciated Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 does anyone know how to find a competent tester and remediator in Croatia? We have a beach house there that definitiely needs work. sue >I'm sure the experts will jump in here, but the Industrial Hygienist is >giving you incorrect information. There are no established guidelines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Some people eliminate mold toxins so fast they are not susceptible to almost any amount of mold, some suck it up like a sponge, hold onto it, and get very sick , it is all genetics. And I can cross contaminate an environment by bringing one contaminated item into a place, and have done it many times, slow learner > > > > > Thanks Sue, > > I went over to my next door neighbors house and I couldnt believe what a pig sty it was. He had 3 snakes which constantly need moisture 6 rats, crickets to feed the rats and two out of control dogs. When I showed me his bathroom I couldnt believe that there was actually black mold around his light fixture that was in the center of the bathroom ceiling. Because he's got the snakes it's a must that he keep the temperature to his townhouse at a constant 75 degrees and when the snakes are sheding he HAS to constantly spray water on them which as you know is the perfect condition for mold. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Tug, thats very possable, many have had the same problem, including me. I've gotten very ill from a doctors waiting room from cross contamination from what other people bring from home on their cloths and it rubs off on material covered chairs/couches,ect. same thing. like someone coming to your home with colone/purfume on and setting on your couch well leave it on your couch. > > > > For heavens sake, stay out of that condo. Don't waste any money on tests and remediations. You will need every penny you have, to establish yourself in another home. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 > > Joe, I made the decision last week to not go back into the townhouse. When I first started to get sick from the mold it usually took a couple of days for it to work it's way out of my system and I started to feel better. I havent been there for a week and about the only time I get any relief is when Im at the gym but the minute I get into my truck I become symptomatic again which makes me think my truck has been cross contaminated (if that's possible). Now in this case, if you've gotten out of your townhouse and left all your stuff behind, it's possible that YOU might be picking up on the cross-contamination in the truck. That happened to me. After I moved out of my moldy house and left my stuff behind, I started reacting to all kinds of stuff from the house. Eventually after an extended hiatus from everything, the car did bother me. So did a little office that I shared. And this was after I removed all the objects that had ever been in my house. It's my understanding and experience that after a person gets away from a really moldy environment, their body will go into an " intensification reaction " as it starts to dump toxins. At that point, even a tiny bit of the stuff will have a huge effect. Cross-contamination of my car and my office was problematic, but after a thorough cleaning (vacuuming or wiping down every single surface) it stopped being an issue for me. In fact, for a while I started sleeping in the office because it was better than anywhere else I could find. (I'd originally chosen the office because it " felt good, " suggesting that I had an instinctive understanding of how to avoid mold even before I knew I had a problem with it.) Some people do abandon their cars because they've been cross-contaminated, but hopefully you won't have to do that. I tend to think it will be okay, eventually. Best, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Thats what worries me , when Im here at my sisters house I have the same symptoms as I did when I was at the condo. I work from home meaning was in the condo 24 hours a day 7 days a week for about 6 weeks while my girlfriend was there probably 2/3's that time doesn't have any ill effects at all when she comes over to my sisters house as a matter of fact she feels perfectly normal. I feel that I've made a huge mistake that can never be corrected. With all my heart I believe that my sisters house now has mold spores or mycotoxins and I truly dont know what to do. > > > > Nothing was wet or even had the slightest musty smell. The tv was put in into the back of the truck and transported 5 miles before it reached my sisters. Im hoping that what ever mold spores were on the box were blown off. > > > > I'll have to write more later its christmas and everyone is waiting for me downstairs > > > > Thanks > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 I went through three apartments, a cottage, and bought and sold three vehicles in one year before coming to Dallas. Vehicles are DEFINATELY a source of re-contamination. I would get rid of the vehicle as with me, I never would have gotten well had I kept any of them. As of now, I have not owned a vehicle or driven one in the last four years. I guess its the fear now that I will start that nightmare all over again. The toxins get in the AC/heat and I dont believe there is anything that will remove them. If so, I would love to hear about it. Good luck, its a tough journey.. D > > > > Joe, I made the decision last week to not go back into the townhouse. When I first started to get sick from the mold it usually took a couple of days for it to work it's way out of my system and I started to feel better. I havent been there for a week and about the only time I get any relief is when Im at the gym but the minute I get into my truck I become symptomatic again which makes me think my truck has been cross contaminated (if that's possible). > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Everyone keeps harping on the issue of cross contamination. I think that you need to take Carl Grimes suggestions regarding species identification. Also, it has been known for years the automobile heating and air conditioning systems become contaminated with mold and bacteria. The older the car, the worse the problem. This is not cross contamination. It occurs because of improper drainage of the condensation pan and the condenser. I have included a photo of a contaminated van for your perusual. Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D. Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist www.drthrasher.org toxicologist1@... Off: 916-745-4703 Cell: 575-937-1150 L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC Trauma Specialist sandracrawley@... 916-745-4703 - Off 775-309-3994 - Cell This message and any attachments forwarded with it is to be considered privileged and confidential. The forwarding or redistribution of this message (and any attachments) without my prior written consent is strictly prohibited and may violate privacy laws. Once the intended purpose of this message has been served, please destroy the original message contents. If you have received this message in error, please reply immediately to advise the sender of the miscommunication and then delete the message and any copies you have printed. Thank you in advance for your compliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 I realize I've posted quite a bit these past few days and I would like to thank everyone for their time and their expertise concerning my mold contamination issue. I have to accept the fact that I've contaminated my sisters house and its not only going to cost me my relationship with my sister but thousands of dollars to clean her house. Unfortunately it's money I don't have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Dr. Thrasher: Its not called " harping " its called trying to help. Believe me I know what I am talking about. Sure old cars have mold, these were not old cars and they did not bother me until I used them for a few weeks and contaminated them. If you LIVE this condition, you stop questioning yourself, the really hard part is that people never stop questioning us. D --- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...> wrote: > > Everyone keeps harping on the issue of cross contamination. I think that you need to take Carl Grimes suggestions regarding species identification. > > Also, it has been known for years the automobile heating and air conditioning systems become contaminated with mold and bacteria. The older the car, the worse the problem. This is not cross contamination. It occurs because of improper drainage of the condensation pan and the condenser. I have included a photo of a contaminated van for your perusual. > > > Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D. > Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist > www.drthrasher.org > toxicologist1@... > Off: 916-745-4703 > Cell: 575-937-1150 > > > L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC > Trauma Specialist > sandracrawley@... > 916-745-4703 - Off > 775-309-3994 - Cell > > > > > This message and any attachments forwarded with it is to be considered privileged and confidential. The forwarding or redistribution of this message (and any attachments) without my prior written consent is strictly prohibited and may violate privacy laws. Once the intended purpose of this message has been served, please destroy the original message contents. If you have received this message in error, please reply immediately to advise the sender of the miscommunication and then delete the message and any copies you have printed. Thank you in advance for your compliance. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 but there's a real possibility you did not cross contaminate it, and that her house had it's own mold problems, no?> > >I realize I've posted quite a bit these past few days and I would like >to thank everyone for their time and their expertise concerning my mold >contamination issue. I have to accept the fact that I've contaminated my >sisters house and its not only going to cost me my relationship with my >sister but thousands of dollars to clean her house. Unfortunately it's >money I don't have. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Im sure her house like every other house has mold spores but quite a few people at a Christmas eve party that was held here had either an extremely bad unexplainable headache or was constantly sneezing but thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt > > but there's a real possibility you did not cross contaminate it, and > that her house had it's own mold problems, no?> > > > >I realize I've posted quite a bit these past few days and I would like > >to thank everyone for their time and their expertise concerning my mold > >contamination issue. I have to accept the fact that I've contaminated my > >sisters house and its not only going to cost me my relationship with my > >sister but thousands of dollars to clean her house. Unfortunately it's > >money I don't have. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 > > I realize I've posted quite a bit these past few days and I would like to thank everyone for their time and their expertise concerning my mold contamination issue. I have to accept the fact that I've contaminated my sisters house and its not only going to cost me my relationship with my sister but thousands of dollars to clean her house. Unfortunately it's money I don't have. This is wholly inconsistent with my understanding and experience with regard to how even the worst mold works. This next part is just a guess on my part, so take it for that. It's really easy to start panicking in the first days of getting away from mold. This is due to physiological (mold " withdrawal " ) and psychological factors. It's a stressful time all around! If you think this is the case, I'd suggest not making any decisions or spending any money at all until you feel really calm. As long as you don't give up, it will work out. Just give it a bit of time. That's my own feeling anyway. Best, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 why are you so sure that you cross contaminated your sisters house? and to a major extent. > > but there's a real possibility you did not cross contaminate it, and > that her house had it's own mold problems, no?> > > > >I realize I've posted quite a bit these past few days and I would like > >to thank everyone for their time and their expertise concerning my mold > >contamination issue. I have to accept the fact that I've contaminated my > >sisters house and its not only going to cost me my relationship with my > >sister but thousands of dollars to clean her house. Unfortunately it's > >money I don't have. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Mold withdrawal is really an interesting though-it explains alot about what I feel sometimes. One of the problems mold gives me is a complete lack of appetite-I can go for days without eating (really I'm not exaggerating)and at some point, usually after losing 6 pounds in a week, friends and family notice and start encouraging me to eat. Anyway, after I recover from an exposure it takes a while for my appetite to return and I always worry that it means the mold is still around. Withdrawal makes alot of sense! > > > > I realize I've posted quite a bit these past few days and I would like to thank everyone for their time and their expertise concerning my mold contamination issue. I have to accept the fact that I've contaminated my sisters house and its not only going to cost me my relationship with my sister but thousands of dollars to clean her house. Unfortunately it's money I don't have. > > This is wholly inconsistent with my understanding and experience with regard to how even the worst mold works. > > This next part is just a guess on my part, so take it for that. > > It's really easy to start panicking in the first days of getting away from mold. This is due to physiological (mold " withdrawal " ) and psychological factors. > > It's a stressful time all around! > > If you think this is the case, I'd suggest not making any decisions or spending any money at all until you feel really calm. > > As long as you don't give up, it will work out. Just give it a bit of time. > > That's my own feeling anyway. > > Best, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 I have made many mistakes when moving, and the safest thing to do is to put anything you want to keep in a storage locker, buy new clothes, take them to the " Y " , scrub and swim in the chlorine, scrub again, put on new clothes, and start a new life in a new place, with very few belongings. The laptop is small, and wipe it down with alcohol, it should not present a problem, but if you find you get a hit every time you use it, it may have to go also. I know personally many people besides myself that have had to go to these extremes to get away from mold once they are hyper-sensitized. > > Thats what worries me , when Im here at my sisters house I have the same symptoms as I did when I was at the condo. I work from home meaning was in the condo 24 hours a day 7 days a week for about 6 weeks while my girlfriend was there probably 2/3's that time doesn't have any ill effects at all when she comes over to my sisters house as a matter of fact she feels perfectly normal. > > I feel that I've made a huge mistake that can never be corrected. With all my heart I believe that my sisters house now has mold spores or mycotoxins and I truly dont know what to do. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Brava, Diane, I was going to respond myself, but you have done a wonderful job. I cross contaminated my first car when I moved some stuff from the moldy house into storage, my second molding, my body crass contaminated so many cars, my friends lined them up for me to use, trading almost daily till I got the situation under control. this past summer the dogs jumped in and cross contaminated my jeep-now I bought a pick up so everything that might be bad can ride in the back, and I keep the cab as a " Iso-chamber " > > Dr. Thrasher: Its not called " harping " its called trying to help. Believe me I know what I am talking about. Sure old cars have mold, these were not old cars and they did not bother me until I used them for a few weeks and contaminated them. If you LIVE this condition, you stop questioning yourself, the really hard part is that people never stop questioning us. D > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 theres a hudge difference between facts and shareing experiences and being extreme about everything. and when someones going through the worst part of this, scareing them doesn't help. sometimes it's good to get the point across but make somewhat light of it and let it go from there. not everyones exposures are the same, not everyones injury is the same, and their cross contamination issues wont be the same either. just maybe a lot of people have walked away from everything when they didn't have to, and damn theres always someone that profits from them doing that. like realestate companies that get by with forcloseing and resaleing or buying these places cheap for the taxes. that is why we need standards on mold testing and remediation. it's not our place to presume that everyone going through this just should just up and leave everything for any reason, no matter what we think. everyone may fell like they are about to die during and for some time after exposure but some do recover quite well, maybe their homes and belongings can recover quite well too. and if dave did cross contaminated his sisters house it still would not even come close to the contamination problems with his own place and he is probably not in any shape right now to even reconize that cause he might have chemical sensitivity and right now he might not be able to sort out whats affecting him and whats not. I'm not in the extreme group, I dont even like the word extreme, because I believe people going through this dont need the word extreme or people to be extreme about anything, it's plenty extreme enough all by it's self. when people are extreme about things they either make people think they are nuts or for someone sick and going through this they can scare them to the point it could cause harm. no matter what we went through or how " extreme " it was, we dont need to be scareing people that already have enough to deal with. everytime belongings and cross contamination get brought up my stress level goes up right with it. now can you possably think about how those just starting to go through this crap and sicker than crap might fell? I had my fill of a extremest a long time ago when I was disperate for help and real information, and I can tell you that all that did was hurt me. STRESS IS NOT GOOD FOR THIS ILLNESS. if we can't help people without causeing them more stress maybe sometimes it's just better to keep our mouths shut. believe it or not there are way to give information without being extreme about it! > > > > > > I dont think anyone is saying that cross contamination isnt possable. > > I know myself it is, but you have to put a perspective on it. no one can say for a fact that dave cross contaminated his sisters house, we aren't there, we dont know just how bad his house is contaminated, > > and part of the brain effects can cause you to be somewhat over reactive, depressed, and just not thinking to great during that time > > when everything on top of being very ill just hits you like a ton of bricks. > > as far as daves situation, I hope no one here convienced him that he cross contaminated his sisters house cause theres no way we could really know that. and I hope he's not out there with his illness and what might be some pretty disperate thoughts based on what someone here said. sometimes, we ourselfs have to stop and think back to those horrable days and try to remember what we felt like and consider very carefully that some people during that terable time can > > be anywhere from mildly depressed to thinging about harming theirselfs > > because they cant deal with the situation and what they may precieve might not be as bad as what they are precieveing it to be. > > it is to bad that at our worst time of need, help, and expertize in this matter, we are usually left completely on our own. > > advice given by anybody during this time needs to be considered very carefully and I know theres some that are here or was here that go a little overboad with this cross contamination issue. > > I just hope thats not why Dave is so convienced that he has contaminated his sisters house and to the extent that all hope is lost and I hope he doesn't do something stupied to hurt himself over it. damn, I know just how bad/depressed this can make someone and how moods can be pretty uncontrolable during this time. > > you cant say, this happened to me so it had to of happened to you too. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Tug, I dont like to think back to those days but I do, and I know it can all seem hopeless but it's not, just take one day at a time. the most important thing right now is getting to felling better. hopefully when your sister returns home the house well be fine and all this worrying well have been for nothing. it could have just been the wind causeing a sewer smell back up or something like that. just some freak thing that wont happen again. a live xmas tree could gas off a chemical and give people headackes and so forth. and theres things that dont have a smell that can make people sick with headackes,ect. hang in there. > > > Thank you for such a heart felt post. You have no idea how depressed I am. As I stated earlier my mom was here for the holidays and she constantly had a runny nose the entire time. There was one night where her eyes were beet red because they were burning so bad and at one point she said she had something lodge in her throat but wasnt eating or drinking anything. My brother in law has been constantly sneezing and on the night my niece was here she had an unexplainable headache that just wouldn't go away. > > Now that my mom's home I called her and asked her about her nose and she said it's fine, it was a little runny the first day that she got home but now that she's been back for 3 days she's not having any problems with it. My brother in law and sister have been out of town on vacation since Monday so Im not sure how he's doing but I'd venture to guess he's not sneezing and as far as I know my nieces headache has gone away. > > For the most part I don't see this getting any better if anything it's only going to get worst. If I cant get my sisters house remediated its going to ultimately cost anyone who spends anytime here their health. To add insult to injury I don't know who to turn to help me through these trying times. Everyone I talk to tells me different scenarios on how to correct the problem. One company says to beings theres just mold spores and not mold fog the place while theres another that says to use the Ozone method. Like I said everyone I've talked to has a different way of remediating the problem so Im not sure what to do. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Thanks for the replys I purchased something called Microban from a local mold remediater, he says thats all he uses when he washes clothes and wipes down counters tops when he's doing a job. I checked it out on the internet and it seems like a pretty good product As far as my truck is concerned it's being remediated as we speak. The same mold remediater is going to use an ozone method on it, wipe everything down and vacuum it with a hepa vacuum cleaner. He said he's done about 20 cars in the past 4 years and has never had anyone complain so well have to see how it goes. Please understand that I AM NOT SUICIDAL but to be honest with you it has crossed my mind but I know that Im going to get through this and the HOA, their insurance, the seller of the property and inspector that my real estate agent hired are going to legally pay dearly for this. My life has turned into a night mare because someone didnt do their job. Im just hoping that I didnt bring my problems into my sisters house > > Please please be careful with the ammonia! That is one of the chemicals that made me really sick initially. I cannot tolerate ammonia at all and can tell when it's been used to wash something days after. It's the reason why I can't go into most stores and when an employee starts spraying down a table in a restaurant with Windex I have to run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 You are right there DR Thrasher. This past year was particularly bad for me, and after the dogs contaminated my jeep 's air system, No matter how much I cleaned it,(took entire air system apart, took out all seats, headliners, carpet), I could not tolerate it again. It was the hot summer, every car after that seemed to have a moldy AC, which bothered me even if I did not turn it on. I finally found one car to rent that did not make me sick, but buying seemed impossible. Then I decided to bite the bullet and buy new. But they turn the AC on and off so much, that even new cars with 100 mi on them made me sick. Dealers in NM did not want to help me, but my sister finally found a salesperson in Alb who was MCS, she ordered me a new truck, went to the depot and drove it to the dealership herself, turning on no AC. She washed her clothes first and sun dried them, and sealed the car, letting no one even sit in it or clean it. It worked, and now I have a pick , and keep the cab as an Iso-chamber, with everything but me riding in the back. It may be hot as Hades, but I will never turn on the AC. --- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...> wrote: > > New cars also have mold. If you have run the heater and/or the air conditioner you have mold as well as bacteria growth in the ventilation system. Although you maybe responding to molds you must remember that household furnishing as well as computers outgas chemicals to which you maybe responding. Individuals who have become ill from mold/bacterial exposure do develop a cross sensitivity to a variety of airborne chemicals. rohibited and may violate privacy laws. Once the intended purpose of this message has been served, please destroy the original message contents. If you have received this message in error, please reply immediately to advise the sender of the miscommunication and then delete the message and any copies you have printed. Thank you in advance for your compliance. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 The situation at Tug's sisters seems much to EXTREME to be caused by cross contamination, my vote would be that she has her own environmental issues. But hoping for the best has never helped me live in a moldy house. Gee it is remarkable how you can diagnose an environmental issue remotely. Sewer gas, thats a great idea. Please save me from Polys. > > Tug, I dont like to think back to those days but I do, and I know it can all seem hopeless but it's not, just take one day at a time. > the most important thing right now is getting to felling better. > hopefully when your sister returns home the house well be fine and all this worrying well have been for nothing. it could have just been the wind causeing a sewer smell back up or something like that. > just some freak thing that wont happen again. > a live xmas tree could gas off a chemical and give people headackes and so forth. and theres things that dont have a smell that can make people sick with headackes,ect. > hang in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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