Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 , Thanks for the good find! Excellent information to read and understand. A critical point, however, is to realize the information is an opinion and not authoritative in the sense it would prevail in the court room. It is the opinion (a very good one!) by a franchise company who is a remediation contractor. They are in the business of doing mold remediation. Their expertise is different than determining what should be done, or if anything needs to be done, or if mold causes harm. Which leads to... Second critical point is this sentence: * " Beyond taking actions on your own to prevent mold, it´s important to know when it's time to call an indoor air quality professional who knows what he or she is doing, Isaacson said. SERVPRO has been restoring properties since 1967. " I totally agree with the first sentence. And with the second one. But not with the two of them together because they are as different as apples and rocks. By putting the two sentences together it gives the impression that SERVPRO has been an indoor air quality professional since 1967. They are not, they are a remediation contractor. Here is why the distinction is so important. Some of the franchises may have an IAQ professional on staff. And that is fine. But the IAQ professional who decides what should be done and the remediator who does the work should not be from the same company. If they are there is a conflict of interest. The interest of the IAQ pro (consultant) should be identifying and documenting the conditions, including your individual concerns, totally separate from how much the job will cost or how much money the remediation contractor can make. SERVPRO's interest is in doing the work for a profit. They should determine their cost to you based on a scope of work determined independantly. Without the separation of contractor and consultant you don't know if you are paying a fair price for necessary work or are being overcharged for work that doesn't need to be done. In a previous post a couple of weeks ago I cited a range of $1,200 to $10,000 as typical when different remediators bid on a project because they each determine what they think should be done and what they want to charge. If an independent consultant writes the scope of work and you ask several remediators to bid on the same scope, then the differences in cost should be within 10% or so. So, good information but it isn't authoritative and remediation companies are usually not IAQ professionals (consultants). If they have them on staff you should get an independent company to do the work. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- Local ServPro Owners Offer Advice on How to Fight, Prevent Mold One might think mold only affects " at risk " people, such as children, senior citizens, those who are immune-suppressed or those suffering from chronic inflammatory lung diseases like asthma and severe allergies. In recognition of Mold Awareness Month this month, however, local cleanup and restoration professionals are correcting that misconception and explaining how mold can really affect anyone who is exposed to it. " It's true that those who suffer from health problems are more inclined to have harsher side effects when exposed to mold, but it´s important to know that mold does not discriminate, " said Rick Isaacson, executive vice president of Servpro Industries, Inc. " People of all ages and health statuses are vulnerable to health problems associated with exposure to mold. These side effects can include something as minor as a runny nose, sneezing or coughing, to things more intense like aggravation of asthma, sore throat and inflammation of the sinuses. " Water intrusions may lead to the growth of mold, and many times that intrusion is the result of storm damage, plumbing or equipment failures, long-standing leaks and poor humidity control. " If water intrusions are not addressed right away, the resulting damage may present an increased risk of harmful mold growth. Excessive mold growth can lead to indoor environmental conditions that pose a health threat, " said Isaacson. In observation of this month's awareness campaign, Isaacson is offering helpful information about the fungus that often lies hidden in many homes and business buildings in the local community. The following advice can help people tackle mold in its early stages: Understand Mold There are over 100,000 species of identified mold, Isaacson said. We are consistently exposed to thousands of different types of fungi in our everyday lives. Certain types of fungi exist naturally in soils, plants, fruits and textiles and are generally not harmful, but others that grow in water, moisture and high humidity in buildings are just the opposite. Take Precaution Mold is more likely to spread when an environment has been subject to moisture for a long period of time. If your property has sustained recent water damage, it is important to remove excess water and dry the structure promptly. If you notice an ongoing moisture problem, be on alert for the following signs: The presence of visible mold Strong, musty odors Evidence of past moisture issues that might have caused undetected mold growth Excessive humidity Fight Mold Periodically inspect your property. Look for water and moisture in and around your home. Pay special attention around pipes, in basements and crawl spaces, behind boxes and contents in dark areas of your property. Note: you may have to hire a professional, such as those at SERVPRO. Mold can live in unseen areas such as ceilings or wall cavities. Control the humidity in bathrooms and wherever water is repeatedly used. Exhaust fans, proper caulking and effective cleaning with an appropriate cleaning product will help keep mold problems away. Regularly have your HVAC system and air conditioner inspected to identify moisture problems or drain clogs. " By following these tips, you can help keep your insurance costs down and protect your property, " Isaacson said. " Do not procrastinate. The most important step you can take is to identify any humidity, moisture or water damage problems before they create bigger problems such as mold growth or structural damage. In many cases, the mold problem can be addressed without having to make an insurance claim. " Beyond taking actions on your own to prevent mold, it´s important to know when it's time to call an indoor air quality professional who knows what he or she is doing, Isaacson said. SERVPRO has been restoring properties since 1967. SERVPRO responds to mold problems around the clock and has equipment to professionally test for moisture, extract water completely and dry properties in the local community. http://garnernews.net/pages/full_story/push?secure_ comments=true & need_to_add=true & content_instance =3683624 & id=3683624 & _session_id=d8a94d7d42eab 3015479e139bd465c75#cb_post_comment_3683624 & _session_ id=d8a94d7d42eab3015479e139bd465c75 & _session_id=d8a94d7d42ea b 3015479e139bd465c75 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 This was the comnpany that did the damage here in this aprtment building. Noiw are unwilling to give MSDS for application on Monday which has made us ill. This is the second time they injure us. Another injury by another company applying pesticdes. It is just that a franchise, in business, our local franchise in their words " we do not care what we put down that may kill you " end quote. God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:03:21 PM Subject: Re: [] ServPro admits mold can hurt anybody , Thanks for the good find! Excellent information to read and understand. A critical point, however, is to realize the information is an opinion and not authoritative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Carl, I agree with your comments. I just thought it was interesting/surprising to see these types of comments from a ServPro franchisee, because some ServPro locations have been sued in mold situations. Maybe they are learning. _______________________________ From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:03:21 PM Subject: Re: [] ServPro admits mold can hurt anybody , Thanks for the good find! Excellent information to read and understand. A critical point, however, is to realize the information is an opinion and not authoritative in the sense it would prevail in the court room. It is the opinion (a very good one!) by a franchise company who is a remediation contractor. They are in the business of doing mold remediation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 It is hard to tell sometimes why people and businesses say what they say. This one could be to protect themselves from accusations they don't sufficiently appreciate mold harm. Sometimes these types of statements are to increase business by contributing to the fear factor. I have a colleague right now dealing with a franchise whose ideas of remediation are based on outrageously expensive methods of questionable effectiveness. Decisions need to be based on the simplest methods proven to work and which protect the rest of the building and occupants. That requires an understanding and appreciation of the biology of mold, moisture characteristics, building materials and types, etc. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- Carl, I agree with your comments. I just thought it was interesting/surprising to see these types of comments from a ServPro franchisee, because some ServPro locations have been sued in mold situations. Maybe they are learning. From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:03:21 PM Subject: Re: [] ServPro admits mold can hurt anybody , Thanks for the good find! Excellent information to read and understand. A critical point, however, is to realize the information is an opinion and not authoritative in the sense it would prevail in the court room. It is the opinion (a very good one!) by a franchise company who is a remediation contractor. They are in the business of doing mold remediation. Their expertise is different than determining what should be done, or if anything needs to be done, or if mold causes harm. Which leads to... Second critical point is this sentence: * " Beyond taking actions on your own to prevent mold, it´s important to know when it's time to call an indoor air quality professional who knows what he or she is doing, Isaacson said. SERVPRO has been restoring properties since 1967. " I totally agree with the first sentence. And with the second one. But not with the two of them together because they are as different as apples and rocks. By putting the two sentences together it gives the impression that SERVPRO has been an indoor air quality professional since 1967. They are not, they are a remediation contractor. Here is why the distinction is so important. Some of the franchises may have an IAQ professional on staff. And that is fine. But the IAQ professional who decides what should be done and the remediator who does the work should not be from the same company. If they are there is a conflict of interest. The interest of the IAQ pro (consultant) should be identifying and documenting the conditions, including your individual concerns, totally separate from how much the job will cost or how much money the remediation contractor can make. SERVPRO's interest is in doing the work for a profit.. They should determine their cost to you based on a scope of work determined independantly. Without the separation of contractor and consultant you don't know if you are paying a fair price for necessary work or are being overcharged for work that doesn't need to be done. In a previous post a couple of weeks ago I cited a range of $1,200 to $10,000 as typical when different remediators bid on a project because they each determine what they think should be done and what they want to charge. If an independent consultant writes the scope of work and you ask several remediators to bid on the same scope, then the differences in cost should be within 10% or so. So, good information but it isn't authoritative and remediation companies are usually not IAQ professionals (consultants) . If they have them on staff you should get an independent company to do the work. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- Local ServPro Owners Offer Advice on How to Fight, Prevent Mold One might think mold only affects " at risk " people, such as children, senior citizens, those who are immune-suppressed or those suffering from chronic inflammatory lung diseases like asthma and severe allergies. In recognition of Mold Awareness Month this month, however, local cleanup and restoration professionals are correcting that misconception and explaining how mold can really affect anyone who is exposed to it. " It's true that those who suffer from health problems are more inclined to have harsher side effects when exposed to mold, but it´s important to know that mold does not discriminate, " said Rick Isaacson, executive vice president of Servpro Industries, Inc. " People of all ages and health statuses are vulnerable to health problems associated with exposure to mold. These side effects can include something as minor as a runny nose, sneezing or coughing, to things more intense like aggravation of asthma, sore throat and inflammation of the sinuses. " Water intrusions may lead to the growth of mold, and many times that intrusion is the result of storm damage, plumbing or equipment failures, long-standing leaks and poor humidity control. " If water intrusions are not addressed right away, the resulting damage may present an increased risk of harmful mold growth. Excessive mold growth can lead to indoor environmental conditions that pose a health threat, " said Isaacson.. In observation of this month's awareness campaign, Isaacson is offering helpful information about the fungus that often lies hidden in many homes and business buildings in the local community. The following advice can help people tackle mold in its early stages: Understand Mold There are over 100,000 species of identified mold, Isaacson said. We are consistently exposed to thousands of different types of fungi in our everyday lives. Certain types of fungi exist naturally in soils, plants, fruits and textiles and are generally not harmful, but others that grow in water, moisture and high humidity in buildings are just the opposite. Take Precaution Mold is more likely to spread when an environment has been subject to moisture for a long period of time. If your property has sustained recent water damage, it is important to remove excess water and dry the structure promptly. If you notice an ongoing moisture problem, be on alert for the following signs: The presence of visible mold Strong, musty odors Evidence of past moisture issues that might have caused undetected mold growth Excessive humidity Fight Mold Periodically inspect your property. Look for water and moisture in and around your home. Pay special attention around pipes, in basements and crawl spaces, behind boxes and contents in dark areas of your property. Note: you may have to hire a professional, such as those at SERVPRO. Mold can live in unseen areas such as ceilings or wall cavities. Control the humidity in bathrooms and wherever water is repeatedly used. Exhaust fans, proper caulking and effective cleaning with an appropriate cleaning product will help keep mold problems away. Regularly have your HVAC system and air conditioner inspected to identify moisture problems or drain clogs. " By following these tips, you can help keep your insurance costs down and protect your property, " Isaacson said. " Do not procrastinate. The most important step you can take is to identify any humidity, moisture or water damage problems before they create bigger problems such as mold growth or structural damage. In many cases, the mold problem can be addressed without having to make an insurance claim. " Beyond taking actions on your own to prevent mold, it´s important to know when it's time to call an indoor air quality professional who knows what he or she is doing, Isaacson said. SERVPRO has been restoring properties since 1967. SERVPRO responds to mold problems around the clock and has equipment to professionally test for moisture, extract water completely and dry properties in the local community. http://garnernews. net/pages/ full_story/ push?secure_ comments=true & need_to_add= true & content_ instance =3683624 & id= 3683624 & _ session_id= d8a94d7d42eab 3015479e139bd465c75 #cb_post_ comment_3683624 & _session_ id=d8a94d7d42eab301 5479e139bd465c75 & _session_ id=d8a94d7d42ea b 3015479e139bd465c75 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Mayleen, It's important to remember that each franchisee owner and their workers will have different experience, education, training and ethics. They are not as tightly controlled as employess of the corporate office. Franchises have certain minimum requirements but often the only commonality between the franchisees is the uniform. I've experienced exceptional work and horrible work by different franchises in the same locale, sometimes differing with a change in on-site supervisor. Each still needs to be evaluated for the specific situation. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- This was the comnpany that did the damage here in this aprtment building. Noiw are unwilling to give MSDS for application on Monday which has made us ill. This is the second time they injure us. Another injury by another company applying pesticdes. It is just that a franchise, in business, our local franchise in their words " we do not care what we put down that may kill you " end quote. God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...> groups (DOT) com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:03:21 PM Subject: Re: [] ServPro admits mold can hurt anybody , Thanks for the good find! Excellent information to read and understand. A critical point, however, is to realize the information is an opinion and not authoritative ---------- The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: DEFAULT.BMP Date: 16 Jun 2009, 0:10 Size: 358 bytes. Type: Unknown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 I can apreciate that however I called the corporate office and spoke to the assistant chemist who lied and said he would send me the infor and didn't either and is now not answering his phone for 3 days now. God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:10:29 PM Subject: Re: [] ServPro admits mold can hurt anybody Mayleen, It's important to remember that each franchisee owner and their workers will have different experience, education, training and ethics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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