Re: Re: my first post Question long-Mathematics

[Guest guest]

The law about buying and selling varies by state.  Some states have a mold

disclosure form where you must disclose any mold problems in the home.  Hang on

to your remediation papers so if you sell and later another person has a problem

they cannot come back to you.  They may have recourse aftr the remediator.  I

know for a fact this has happened.  Had the person not had their papers of

remediation  they would have been sued.

  

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: surellabaer <surellabaer@...>

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 7:45:22 PM

Subject: [] Re: my first post Question long-Mathematics

 

>This is harsh but I have to agree with one point: I was the only one who got

sick in my house-my husband and three children were completely unaffected. I do

not know how this was possible (but I thank god that it was).

So, yes, if I chose to move tomorrow I would do so without any guilt at all-my

house has been remediated to the point that I am no longer sick here and I don't

think I would feel any moral obligation to mention that there had been a

problem.

My friends and neighbors know the whole story anyway so it is far from a state

secret but I would not jeopardize the sale of my house if I really needed to

sell.

Sorry, this sounds cold and cruel but one can only do what one is able to do and

my gutted basement is there for all to see-it's clean, it's dry and the past is

the past.

> I am about to tell you something, TO SAVE YOUR LIFE,that will make many people

on this board post nasty replies to me, referring to me as an " unfeeling,

insensitive, irresponsible S.O.B. " , so please pay attention, as I have put my

reputation and good name at risk, in order to prevent your dying from mold

exposure, as my father died, last year.

>

> Since your posting said that " my house is paid for in full " , you should have

someone else do a superficial, inexpensive job, of getting rid of all VISIBLE

mold [don't do it yourself] and then " DUMP " [sell] your still mold-infested

house on some other unfortunate, unsuspecting person. Then move into[without ANY

of your current posessions] an apartment, to be able to begin your process of

healing and detoxification. It is estimated that only between 5 and 20 percent

of the population has any reactivity to toxic mold exposure, so the odds are

that the new purchasers of your home will NOT get deathly sick.

>

> Here is the mathematical reason that you have no other choice, in order to

keep yourself alive. You probably are thinking that getting rid of 90 percent of

your mold, will lower your degree of illness by 90 percent. That is NOT the way

our bodies work, in relation to toxic mold reaction. What REALLY happens, is

that you will experience a brief period of improved health, until your body

adjusts to the new reduced amount of mold in your home. Then, contrary to logic,

your body will experience the SAME degree of illness and misery, that it

experienced during the original mold exposure, which was ten times greater than

the new reduced level of mold exposure. Then, if you reduce the amount of mold

by a further 90 percent from your " then-current " level, bringing the mold level

down to only ONE PERCENT of the original mold level, you will experience another

brief period of improved health, until your body adjusts to this extremely low

level of mold, at which

point your body will return to the same level of misery as it experienced at

the original mold level, which was ONE HUNDRED times greater than the current

mold level.

>

> Here is the math: 100 percent mold exposure = 100 percent reaction; 10 percent

mold exposure = 100 percent reaction; one percent mold exposure = 100 percent

reaction

>

> When you speak with most doctors, they will say that " mold allergy " is always

equal to the quantity of mold you are exposed to. They are correct. But, they

are also uneducated morons, when it comes to " toxic mold " . Toxic mold reativity

is NOT " dose-related " . For the rest of your life, and MY life, we will always

react, intensely, to ever-decreasing amounts of mold exposure.

>

> I have been this blunt, with you, as I don't want you to DIE from mold

exposure, as my father died, last year. My father's death was a " wake-up call "

for me, in dealing with MY mold exposure problems. I hope that the " death " of

your " American Girl Dolls " will serve the same function in YOUR life.

>

> So please, DO THE MATH, and then " dump " your problem on someone else.

>

> If anyone feels that their anger at me, for suggesting this, deserves a reply

with language too offensive to be posted on Sickbuildings, feel free to email me

directly, at:

> josephsalowitz@ ...

>

>

[Guest guest]

Joe, I can relate to what you said and how you feel (on so many levels). It was

good that you had the courage to give your honest opinion. The end result is

that each of us has to make our own decisions and live with the consequences of

those decisions. In our case, we begged and pleaded with our attorneys not to

let the bank sell our moldy house. We had been told by several experts that the

house was so toxic that it needed to be completely destroyed and taken to a

hazardous waste site. As we all know, the banks are greedy--they don't care

about endangering lives--they just want their money. The bank eventually sold

the house through a Sheriff's sale which means that the house was sold " as is. "

They told us they would sue us if we interfered with the sale. It was wrong.

It's still wrong. But there was nothing we could do about it. The family that

bought the house knew there was a serious problem---a lot of the carpet and

drywall was missing

and there were obvious signs of water damage and the neighbors told them what

happened to the house. As you point out, we are so focused on our daily

activities that it's difficult to stop and think about the long-term effects of

our decisions.

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From: joe <josephsalowitz@...>

Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:39:05 AM

Subject: [] Re: my first post Question long-Mathematics

I consider myself one of the most socially responsible people that I ever knew.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

In my case I reacted badly to my office while I was still in the moldy home. 

Eventually I could not be around people, go out and all happened quite quickly. 

In six months I was disabled.  I had a lung disease and 5 months later another

lung diseae.

I became trapped in the home being self employed I had no income or recourse

unless I worked which I could not.  I tried.   

 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: surellabaer <surellabaer@...>

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:02:04 PM

Subject: [] Re: my first post Question long-Mathematics

 

>Gil-my experience has been alot like yours-I was forced to retire 4 years ago,

when I was 50 and have not worked since. I just recently tried a free lance

bookkeeping job in someone's home and reacted really badly. I'm afraid it made

me really depressed about the situation.

Can I ask how you (and others reading this) how you felt strong enough to try

and work. I'm afraid the fear and the stress was overwhelming and is just

stopping me and, believe me, I could use the extra income-I hate it that my

husband is supporting me like this.

Thanks!

> Joe,

> I have to agree with Jeanine on this. Like many on this board, I was rather

healthy as a young adult. I was 47 before I had any noticable mold sensitivity.

By age 48 I realized where my mold problem was (my workplace), and by age 49 I

looked forward to retirement from a job I otherwise loved, all due to mold

exposure. I felt bad enough that I retired at age 54, and now just work part

time as a substitute teacher in buildings I don't react to. Please remember that

the people you were writing to were long term residents. Like me, they weren't

sick right away, but became sensitized over time to a situation caused by errors

of construction and maintenance. Perhaps their house problems could be rectified

suitably for someone else, maybe even for them. Carl's advice was far more

appropriate. But dumping " as is " on someone else? please no

>

> >>

> Posted by: " osisposis " jeaninem660@ ... osisposis

> Date: Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:53 pm ((PDT))

>

> Well Joe, the question might be, how hard can she pray that the people she

sales it to wont get sick and sue her. or she can disclose the problem and drop

the value . sticky situation there.

> how and who deturmines just what it's worth?

>

[Guest guest]

To All,

 you can " dump " your homes so long as you " disclose "   it then becomes the

responsbility of the buyer.  You can legally do it.  However the operative words

are to " legally disclose " .  Give them documents on what you know, whatever you

have, let them sign with attorney a document on disclosures and keep copies of

all for yourselves.  I do not know about all states but they can come back later

and say you did not do so, so keep all related documents. 

Not all states have a mold disclosure, if your state does not I would still

disclose as CYA in writing and signed by buyers.

 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: joe <josephsalowitz@...>

Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 6:39:05 AM

Subject: [] Re: my first post Question long-Mathematics

 

I consider myself one of the most socially responsible people that I ever knew.

Once, many years ago [i'm 66]

[Guest guest]

Did you go after these unethical people ??  You had recourse to sue.  They did

not give you disclosure so you knew what you were walking into.  That is evil. 

Nothing I would ever do.  one reason why my house sits,  I first waited for my

attornies to do their jobs, SOB's did not, 2 years lost, turned to city to do

theirs after I had already lost my health unable to get out by then, they left

us there to DIE, despite the fact they had the monies, they had medical letters

to remove us, 2 years with those SOB's.............does not matter how hard you

try others will kill you...............so there my house sits......and here we

sit in another mold infested place someone else is trying to cover up.

By the way the air samplings done here were BS............by a MS with years of

doing this. Of course he is being paid to cover it up...............

  

I only pray the inspector that is coming will do a better job. Be a decent

person.  

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: osisposis <jeaninem660@...>

Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 12:38:05 PM

Subject: [] Re: my first post Question long-Mathematics

 

Joe, sorry but I just cant find any reasoning to tell anyone to DUMP their moldy

house on someone else.

[Guest guest]

Good for you !! I pray you get them !!!

 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: osisposis <jeaninem660@...>

Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 6:56:37 PM

Subject: [] Re: my first post Question long-Mathematics

 

WELL, LETS JUST SAY THAT i'M TRYING TOO.

>

> Did you go after these unethical people ??