Re: my first post Question long-Mathematics

[Guest guest]

I am about to tell you something, TO SAVE YOUR LIFE,that will make many people

on this board post nasty replies to me, referring to me as an " unfeeling,

insensitive, irresponsible S.O.B. " , so please pay attention, as I have put my

reputation and good name at risk, in order to prevent your dying from mold

exposure, as my father died, last year.

Since your posting said that " my house is paid for in full " , you should have

someone else do a superficial, inexpensive job, of getting rid of all VISIBLE

mold [don't do it yourself] and then " DUMP " [sell] your still mold-infested

house on some other unfortunate, unsuspecting person. Then move into[without ANY

of your current posessions] an apartment, to be able to begin your process of

healing and detoxification. It is estimated that only between 5 and 20 percent

of the population has any reactivity to toxic mold exposure, so the odds are

that the new purchasers of your home will NOT get deathly sick.

Here is the mathematical reason that you have no other choice, in order to keep

yourself alive. You probably are thinking that getting rid of 90 percent of your

mold, will lower your degree of illness by 90 percent. That is NOT the way our

bodies work, in relation to toxic mold reaction. What REALLY happens, is that

you will experience a brief period of improved health, until your body adjusts

to the new reduced amount of mold in your home. Then, contrary to logic, your

body will experience the SAME degree of illness and misery, that it experienced

during the original mold exposure, which was ten times greater than the new

reduced level of mold exposure. Then, if you reduce the amount of mold by a

further 90 percent from your " then-current " level, bringing the mold level down

to only ONE PERCENT of the original mold level, you will experience another

brief period of improved health, until your body adjusts to this extremely low

level of mold, at which point your body will return to the same level of misery

as it experienced at the original mold level, which was ONE HUNDRED times

greater than the current mold level.

Here is the math: 100 percent mold exposure = 100 percent reaction; 10 percent

mold exposure = 100 percent reaction; one percent mold exposure = 100 percent

reaction

When you speak with most doctors, they will say that " mold allergy " is always

equal to the quantity of mold you are exposed to. They are correct. But, they

are also uneducated morons, when it comes to " toxic mold " . Toxic mold reativity

is NOT " dose-related " . For the rest of your life, and MY life, we will always

react, intensely, to ever-decreasing amounts of mold exposure.

I have been this blunt, with you, as I don't want you to DIE from mold exposure,

as my father died, last year. My father's death was a " wake-up call " for me, in

dealing with MY mold exposure problems. I hope that the " death " of your

" American Girl Dolls " will serve the same function in YOUR life.

So please, DO THE MATH, and then " dump " your problem on someone else.

If anyone feels that their anger at me, for suggesting this, deserves a reply

with language too offensive to be posted on Sickbuildings, feel free to email me

directly, at:

josephsalowitz@...

>

> Dear Lizzianthus,

>

> You are probably going to find this response harsh, but it is meant to help

> you understand that it sounds like you have a serious problem on your

> hands.

[Guest guest]

Well Joe, the question might be, how hard can she pray that the people she sales

it to wont get sick and sue her. or she can disclose the problem and drop the

value . sticky situation there.

how and who deturmines just what it's worth?

and I dont believe that about about 25 percent get ill, maybe only to mold but

is anyone really immune to long term toxin exposure?

I think it would eventually drag down even the biggest bears.

remember, all it might take is a bad cold or flu to compromise someones immune

system and that toxic mold might just take over.

yes, moldy homes are being sold all the time, including mine but at least I wont

be the one liveing with the guilt if it hurst someone else, like a child. and I

wint be the one getting sued.

and if she has a possable law suit it really wouldn't be wise to sell her moldy

home. somerimes life really stinks and you have to cut your losses or take a

risk on investing in cleaning it up.

as long as you have your health it's a no brainer.

nothing is worth loseing your health over because that greatly affects THE REST

OF YOUR LIFE. stress is not good for us.

she might not be thinking the best right now.

she shouldn't make any hasty desisions except to get her behind away from her

house for now, get educated on this whole mess and than deside what to do.

>

> I am about to tell you something, TO SAVE YOUR LIFE,that will make many people

on this board post nasty replies to me, referring to me as an " unfeeling,

insensitive, irresponsible S.O.B. " , so please pay

[Guest guest]

Joe,

I have to agree with Jeanine on this. Like many on this board, I was rather

healthy as a young adult. I was 47 before I had any noticable mold sensitivity.

By age 48 I realized where my mold problem was (my workplace), and by age 49 I

looked forward to retirement from a job I otherwise loved, all due to mold

exposure. I felt bad enough that I retired at age 54, and now just work part

time as a substitute teacher in buildings I don't react to. Please remember that

the people you were writing to were long term residents. Like me, they weren't

sick right away, but became sensitized over time to a situation caused by errors

of construction and maintenance.Perhaps their house problems could be rectified

suitably for someone else, maybe even for them. Carl's advice was far more

appropriate. But dumping " as is " on someone else? please no

>>

Posted by: " osisposis " jeaninem660@... osisposis

Date: Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:53 pm ((PDT))

Well Joe, the question might be, how hard can she pray that the people she sales

it to wont get sick and sue her. or she can disclose the problem and drop the

value . sticky situation there.

how and who deturmines just what it's worth?

[Guest guest]

Maybe 25 percent of people have certain genetics that make them more suceptable

to mold ollness, people with AIDS,MS,Diabeeties and compermized immune systems

are also more suceptable to mold.

>

> Well Joe, the question might be, how hard can she pray that the people she

sales it to wont get sick and sue her.

[Guest guest]

--- All I have to say to you Joe, is that we as mold-injured people who have

been through it all already, have to be more responsible so others dont end up

in the same situation. Its like selling your Dads mold-infested car to some

young family that thought they were getting a good deal. We all HAVE to consider

others to make sure that this nightmare does not continue and do our best to

PROTECT people. Thats how I feel anyway... D

In , " joe " <josephsalowitz@...> wrote:

>

> I am about to tell you something, TO SAVE YOUR LIFE,that will make many people

on this board post nasty replies

[Guest guest]

>This is harsh but I have to agree with one point: I was the only one who got

sick in my house-my husband and three children were completely unaffected. I do

not know how this was possible (but I thank god that it was).

So, yes, if I chose to move tomorrow I would do so without any guilt at all-my

house has been remediated to the point that I am no longer sick here and I don't

think I would feel any moral obligation to mention that there had been a

problem.

My friends and neighbors know the whole story anyway so it is far from a state

secret but I would not jeopardize the sale of my house if I really needed to

sell.

Sorry, this sounds cold and cruel but one can only do what one is able to do and

my gutted basement is there for all to see-it's clean, it's dry and the past is

the past.

> I am about to tell you something, TO SAVE YOUR LIFE,that will make many people

on this board post nasty replies to me, referring to me as an " unfeeling,

insensitive, irresponsible S.O.B. " , so please pay attention, as I have put my

reputation and good name at risk, in order to prevent your dying from mold

exposure, as my father died, last year.

>

> Since your posting said that " my house is paid for in full " , you should have

someone else do a superficial, inexpensive job, of getting rid of all VISIBLE

mold [don't do it yourself] and then " DUMP " [sell] your still mold-infested

house on some other unfortunate, unsuspecting person. Then move into[without ANY

of your current posessions] an apartment, to be able to begin your process of

healing and detoxification. It is estimated that only between 5 and 20 percent

of the population has any reactivity to toxic mold exposure, so the odds are

that the new purchasers of your home will NOT get deathly sick.

>

> Here is the mathematical reason that you have no other choice, in order to

keep yourself alive. You probably are thinking that getting rid of 90 percent of

your mold, will lower your degree of illness by 90 percent. That is NOT the way

our bodies work, in relation to toxic mold reaction. What REALLY happens, is

that you will experience a brief period of improved health, until your body

adjusts to the new reduced amount of mold in your home. Then, contrary to logic,

your body will experience the SAME degree of illness and misery, that it

experienced during the original mold exposure, which was ten times greater than

the new reduced level of mold exposure. Then, if you reduce the amount of mold

by a further 90 percent from your " then-current " level, bringing the mold level

down to only ONE PERCENT of the original mold level, you will experience another

brief period of improved health, until your body adjusts to this extremely low

level of mold, at which point your body will return to the same level of misery

as it experienced at the original mold level, which was ONE HUNDRED times

greater than the current mold level.

>

> Here is the math: 100 percent mold exposure = 100 percent reaction; 10 percent

mold exposure = 100 percent reaction; one percent mold exposure = 100 percent

reaction

>

> When you speak with most doctors, they will say that " mold allergy " is always

equal to the quantity of mold you are exposed to. They are correct. But, they

are also uneducated morons, when it comes to " toxic mold " . Toxic mold reativity

is NOT " dose-related " . For the rest of your life, and MY life, we will always

react, intensely, to ever-decreasing amounts of mold exposure.

>

> I have been this blunt, with you, as I don't want you to DIE from mold

exposure, as my father died, last year. My father's death was a " wake-up call "

for me, in dealing with MY mold exposure problems. I hope that the " death " of

your " American Girl Dolls " will serve the same function in YOUR life.

>

> So please, DO THE MATH, and then " dump " your problem on someone else.

>

> If anyone feels that their anger at me, for suggesting this, deserves a reply

with language too offensive to be posted on Sickbuildings, feel free to email me

directly, at:

> josephsalowitz@...

>

>

[Guest guest]

>Gil-my experience has been alot like yours-I was forced to retire 4 years ago,

when I was 50 and have not worked since. I just recently tried a free lance

bookkeeping job in someone's home and reacted really badly. I'm afraid it made

me really depressed about the situation.

Can I ask how you (and others reading this) how you felt strong enough to try

and work. I'm afraid the fear and the stress was overwhelming and is just

stopping me and, believe me, I could use the extra income-I hate it that my

husband is supporting me like this.

Thanks!

> Joe,

> I have to agree with Jeanine on this. Like many on this board, I was rather

healthy as a young adult. I was 47 before I had any noticable mold sensitivity.

By age 48 I realized where my mold problem was (my workplace), and by age 49 I

looked forward to retirement from a job I otherwise loved, all due to mold

exposure. I felt bad enough that I retired at age 54, and now just work part

time as a substitute teacher in buildings I don't react to. Please remember that

the people you were writing to were long term residents. Like me, they weren't

sick right away, but became sensitized over time to a situation caused by errors

of construction and maintenance.Perhaps their house problems could be rectified

suitably for someone else, maybe even for them. Carl's advice was far more

appropriate. But dumping " as is " on someone else? please no

>

> >>

> Posted by: " osisposis " jeaninem660@... osisposis

> Date: Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:53 pm ((PDT))

>

> Well Joe, the question might be, how hard can she pray that the people she

sales it to wont get sick and sue her. or she can disclose the problem and drop

the value . sticky situation there.

> how and who deturmines just what it's worth?

>

[Guest guest]

I consider myself one of the most socially responsible people that I ever knew.

Once, many years ago [i'm 66] I walked into a large crowd of white teen-agers

who were threatening the lives of two black teen agers, who had committed the

" sin " of walking with white girls. I happened to be waiting at a bus stop, where

I heard one of the black teen agers say that he was going to walk back, past the

crowd of white teen agers to retreive his bicycle from inside a store, where he

had left it, as he could not run away from the crowd, fast enough, while

wheeling his bicycle. Meanwhile, the residents of the street had all come

outside and sat down on chairs, to watch their teen age children beat the black

kids to death. Yes, things like this used to happen in this country. So, I told

the black kid that I would get his bike, for him, and that I would bring his

bike to him. I am only relating this story, to show all of you how highly I

value preventing the almost certain death of total strangers. Honestly, at that

time, I never factored in the possibility of exposing myself to harm.

My courage failed me, in the case of my father. He, and I, were both driving the

same car, when it began growing mold. I became sick before he did, as I, as a

life-long allergic asthmatic, had a more reactive immune system. After a few

months exposure, I figured out that my illness was being caused by the car, and

I stopped using it. My health made a spectacular and speedy recovery. I told my

father that the car would eventually make him sick, and kill him, but he did not

beleive me. As he slowly became sicker and sicker, I repeated my warnings EVERY

DAY, until his anger at me was intense. This was uncomfortable, because, at the

time, I was living with him. He would tell all his friends that his son had

" gone insane " by thinking that a car could kill someone.

Had I not been a coward, I would have simply smashed the car into a brick wall,

or, less dramatically, poured sugar, or sand, into the gas tank, to destroy the

car engine. But I didn't. After two years of exposure to car mold, he eventually

sold the car[for $100]. After all, the idea of junking a " perfectly good

car " [his words] was " crazy " , since someone else could get some use out of it.

But, it was too late. Within two months, he was too sick to drive his NEW car,

and within two years he was DEAD. There is a terrible finality in the word

" DEAD " . " DEAD " is the end result of every decision we have made, and are making,

regarding how we will handle the present circumstances. Each decision brings us

closer to, to further from DEATH. Unfortunately, we all never factor " DEATH "

into our moment-to-moment decision making [see my bicycle example above].

Every decision YOU will make, and ARE making, will take you closer to, or

further from DEATH. But, human nature only allows us to focus on the IMMEDIATE

problems of how we will " remediate " mold, on a day-to-day basis. Each daily

decision to " stay and fight the monster[mold], is a decision to DIE, as the

damage done to your body, while you are " fighting the good fight " , is

irreversibly taking you one day closer to your death.

I have earned the right, through my bravery and my cowardice, to repeat my

advice that you should DUMP your moldy house BEFORE it kills you. I hope that

you " GET IT " . My father didn't GET IT. He is DEAD.

Joe

.................................................

> >

> > I am about to tell you something, TO SAVE YOUR LIFE,that will make many

people on this board post nasty replies

>

[Guest guest]

Joe, sorry but I just cant find any reasoning to tell anyone to DUMP their moldy

house on someone else.

let me put it to you this way, I had this happen to me, I bought the DUMPED

MOLDY HOUSE and it about killed me. now maybe you should know that I also know

that they knew about it, tried to cover it up and because they are long time

into the realestate business it's probably not the first or last. let me tell

you quite frankly, there are days that maybe it's a good thing that I cant see

the drive because I want a eye for a eye, get my drift? now this is enough on

this subject.

I think you need to put yourself in the shoes of one of those buyers of those

MOLDY DUMPED HOUSES and think about what your saying.

a person can walk away, can try remediation, can disclose and lower the price,

at least they could disclose, my god, what are you thinking. how I fell about

the SOB'S that did this to me is not even the class you want to be in. get real.

>

> I consider myself one of the most socially responsible people that I ever

knew.

[Guest guest]

WELL, LETS JUST SAY THAT i'M TRYING TOO.

>

> Did you go after these unethical people ??  You had recourse to sue.  They did

not give you disclosure so you knew what you were walking into.  That is evil.