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I also tested negative for molds in the scratch test, how did you react to

the histamine control? I had a really hard time with that, hard time

breathing and they had to give me oxygen. From all of the EI doctors that I

have seen, they say the scratch test is completely useless as ours is not an

allergy more an immune mediated response and we are sick from the

mycotoxins. Don't believe the allergist when he tells you it won't kill you,

mycotoxins very nearly killed me last year and there are a lot of people on

this group that it has affected the same way.

Good Luck.

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On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 2:49 AM, Michal

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> Today I saw an allergist. My MD said he wouldn't prescribe antifungals

> unless I tested postive for mold, but I was curious too, so I went.

> I tested negative for the airborne panel, FOR CANDIDA , and for the 17

> foods I picked out that I react to!!!

> Thing is, I have the genotype that says I'm a " universal reactor " . I sure

> feel that way. Certainly from .mold!

> The allergist was good-he explained this only means that I won't have a

> reaction that will kill me, not that I'm not feeling what I'm feeling.

> But given how I react to mold. how could I NOT be allergic?

> Has anyone else in this group tested negative for mold in scratch tests?

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--- In , Michal <michalvictoria@...>

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> But given how I react to mold. how could I NOT be allergic?

> Has anyone else in this group tested negative for mold in scratch

> tests?

I'm the exact opposite. I tested severely allergic to mold (After seeing the

swelling, a friend at work said the allergist would probably have to amputate

the arm on my follow-up appointment.) but had no allergic symptoms because

citrus bioflavonoids etc. stabilized my mast cells.

I did have asthma, but that turned out to be entirely neurological: mold

chemicals like sesquiterpenes activate TRPA1 receptors. The asthma and

head/neck/jaw/shoulder muscle tension responded to the same extent and with the

same timing to N-95 masks or high-dose naltrexone, so I'm positive there was no

allergic involvement. Neither conventional nor Dr. Shrader's LDA allergy shots

worked at all. My best guess for naltrexone's mechanism of action is preventing

endorphins from suppressing somatostatin release. (PMID: 8105398) Somatostatin

inhibits TRPV1 (PMID: 15288402), and I think chances are good that it inhibits

TRPA1 too. Too bad naltrexone only worked for about three weeks before my brain

figured out a work-around and rendered naltrexone useless.

I also managed to get my HLA tested (I can't believe that my insurance paid for

it 100%, when easier to justify tests are only paid at 80%.), but the only bad

combo I have is 1-5, which just gives you low MSH if you also have another bad

combo. (At least that's my understanding after reading Mold Warriors.) It is

consistent with my bee venom allergy (PMID: 16112029).

My visual contrast sensitivity is actually better than the control group in the

Mold Warriors graph, so I definitely don't have an inflammatory immune reaction

to mycotoxins.

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I heard from a nutritionist that scratch tests are accurate about 65% of the

time. You can have a false positive or negative.

I also tested negative for molds in the scratch test, how did you react to

the histamine control? I had a really hard time with that, hard time

breathing and they had to give me oxygen. From all of the EI doctors that I

have seen, they say the scratch test is completely useless as ours is not an

allergy more an immune mediated response and

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The allergist I saw first did scratch tests (of which nothing came up) then

tested for the same things by injecting each substance into my arm. He said

these tests are 100 times more accurate than the scratch tests.

I then reacted to the foods I expected to, as well as 3 molds.

ita

--- In , Michal <michalvictoria@...>

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> But given how I react to mold. how could I NOT be allergic?

> Has anyone else in this group tested negative for mold in scratch tests?

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Same experience here. I think that testing with scratch tests are considered

" old school " as the good EI clinics use the injections method and have for

years. D

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> > But given how I react to mold. how could I NOT be allergic?

> > Has anyone else in this group tested negative for mold in scratch tests?

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If a person is not atopic, no history of allergies, then skin tests or any other

tests are not necessary. I recommend that a total IgE immunoglobulin test be

run. This well determine whether or not the person is atopic. We must remember

that doctors are taught allergies not poisons. Some people with mold health

problems may have allergies. However, the vast majority I deal with do not have

allergies to molds. Their IgE immunoglobulins are in range. Injection of mold

antigens into the skin can cause an inflammatory response, which is not an

allergic condition.

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> > But given how I react to mold. how could I NOT be allergic?

> > Has anyone else in this group tested negative for mold in scratch tests?

I never had any mold allergies, even though I'm extremely reactive to toxic

mold.

The two problems are wholly unrelated.

If you feel it necessary to test for whether toxic mold is a problem for you

(rather than just giving a " trial separation " from it), Dr. Shoemaker's tests

outlined in " Mold Warriors " are the way to go.

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You don't need to have mold allergies to have a toxic illness to mold!

Toxicity is totally different than allergies. I'll try to find an article I

have about it.

The allergist I saw first did scratch tests (of which nothing came up)

then tested for the same things by injecting each substance into my arm. He

said these tests are 100 times more accurate than the scratch tests.

I then reacted to the foods I expected to, as well as 3 molds.

ita

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you can have either/or or both allergic hypersensitivity and non-allergic

hypersensitivity.

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> You don't need to have mold allergies to have a toxic illness to mold!

> Toxicity is totally different than allergies. I'll try to find an article I

> have about it.

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> The allergist I saw first did scratch tests (of which nothing came up)

> then tested for the same things by injecting each substance into my arm. He

> said these tests are 100 times more accurate than the scratch tests.

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> I then reacted to the foods I expected to, as well as 3 molds.

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a few other possabilites, I've read that you can have a allergy and not produce

IgE.

I read that antigens can be coated with IgE but if for some reason the IgE

receptors aren't doing their job,(like maybe if you did experience myelin sleath

damage of the nerves), you may not experience the typical allergy symptoms, I

have a felling that histamine release might still happen and could lead to

histamine intolerance,maybe. but it seems IgE could still be measured in this

case.

you also can have a allergy without being atopic,

but it takes a high dose exposure for that to accure.

the allergy most likely would be to mold protiens, this is only one part of mold

exposure with water damaged building exposure, seperate from toxic effects

aquired by toxins in a WDB, but they do accure together and can be had together.

some one who is atopic usually has allergy problems from birth, they may wax and

wane, advoidance might play a role , it takes much less exposure for someone

atopic. to me it seems they would reconize a WDB exposure much quicker and get

out much faster just because of the allergic responce.?

advoidance obviously plays a role with either.

if I understand right tottall IgE measurement doesn't tell you what protiens you

are reactings to, just basicly shows IgE level. could be a lot of different

protiens envolved in a WDB exposure, just like there could be proteins involved

in dirty serum that you might react to. specific IgE deturmines what those

proteins are from.

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> > Toxicity is totally different than allergies. I'll try to find an article I

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> > The allergist I saw first did scratch tests (of which nothing came up)

> > then tested for the same things by injecting each substance into my arm. He

> > said these tests are 100 times more accurate than the scratch tests.

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> > I then reacted to the foods I expected to, as well as 3 molds.

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