Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Lourdes is an amazing person. She has suffered greatly with serious health issues and still manages to advise and council a great many individuals in spite of all that she goes through with her health. Ok, what is wrong iwth Lourdes writing about scam artists??? http://chronicheali ng.com/scam- busters/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 SAM! first of all a PHYSICAL person has sykmptoms. Lourdes DOES NOT EXIST except on line. she is a SHILL/SOCK PUPPET but for what IND US TRY it is NOT known. Look her so called group up on hawaii's corpoate site, there is NONE. Before you start trying to give CREDENCE to a GHOST get your facts straight! I am sure Dr Thrasher will confirm what I have written! Re: [] Scammers.....Lourdes Lourdes is an amazing person. She has suffered greatly with serious health issues and still manages to advise and council a great many individuals in spite of all that she goes through with her health. Ok, what is wrong iwth Lourdes writing about scam artists??? http://chronicheali ng.com/scam- busters/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Wow, no need to flame me there. This person known as lourdes was on an mcs list that I was also on in a couple of years ago and seemed real to me, wrote about very specific issues of health she was having while living in and being restricted on Maui and seemed to go out of her way to help others on the list. This person was an active contributor there and seemed sincere. What else can I say but what I knew? I actually understood your post as being a positive one about her, sorry. Was just echoing what I thought were your own positive remarks about her. Gees, I'm no expert here, have no inside info. I'm just a poor sap who thought someone was what they aid they were. Was just taking one person at face value for efforts seemingly done and trying to be pleasant about it. If in your mind, I erred, I apologize. My intention was a good one, But, we don't have to get aggressive about it, do we? It was just an innocent comment. Wow. There are alot better ways to communicate the same thing without assuming the worst in what I shared. From: ntefusa@... <ntefusa@...> Subject: Re: [] Scammers.....Lourdes Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 12:36 AM SAM! first of all a PHYSICAL person has sykmptoms. Lourdes DOES NOT EXIST except on line. she is a SHILL/SOCK PUPPET but for what IND US TRY it is NOT known. Look her so called group up on hawaii's corpoate site, there is NONE. Before you start trying to give CREDENCE to a GHOST get your facts straight! I am sure Dr Thrasher will confirm what I have written! -----Original Message----- From: Sam <yaddayadda53> Lourdes is an amazing person. She has suffered greatly with serious health issues and still manages to advise and council a great many individuals in spite of all that she goes through with her health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Sam... In the toxic injury arena there are a lot of 'groups/businesses/corporations' that want to infiltrate and this is how they do it. Especially when you get someone who has 'feigned' being a victim from reading lists and creating a persona that people can 'relate' to. She was kicked off of this roup for being 'questionable' along with other groups. She is compiling info on people who 'join' her group. Who gets that info no one knows. Re: [] Scammers.....Lourdes Wow, no need to flame me there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 We all have our own way of communicating.........I prefer the NY, Brooklyn, Italian mode! RE: Re: [] Scammers.....Lourdes Not to beat a dead horse, Angel, but you just lost another potential supporter with your bombastic need to get attention any way you can. And maybe lost a few others on the list as well. You need a new strategy, but what do I know. From what you say I can't get anything done either. Carl ----- Wow, no need to flame me there. This person known as lourdes was on an mcs list that I was also on in a couple of years ago and seemed real to me, wrote about very specific issues of health she was having while living in and being restricted on Maui and seemed to go out of her way to help others on the list. This person was an active contributor there and seemed sincere. What else can I say but what I knew? I actually understood your post as being a positive one about her, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 All I can say is do not invite Lourdes to this forum. Sometime back we tried to I.D. her. There was no evidence that she existed. We have enough problems with scammers on the issue of molds and bacteria. I will not say anything else on this subject. Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D. Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist www.drthrasher.org toxicologist1@... Off: 916-745-4703 Cell: 575-937-1150 L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC Trauma Specialist sandracrawley@... 916-745-4703 - Off 775-309-3994 - Cell This message and any attachments forwarded with it is to be considered privileged and confidential. The forwarding or redistribution of this message (and any attachments) without my prior written consent is strictly prohibited and may violate privacy laws. Once the intended purpose of this message has been served, please destroy the original message contents. If you have received this message in error, please reply immediately to advise the sender of the miscommunication and then delete the message and any copies you have printed. Thank you in advance for your compliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Couldcareless, I've noticed email you are responding to here was directly from Carl to you alone, so you shouldn't be sending a copy of reply to this group. That is group rules, to send comments to person directly that aren't a benefit to whole group and you should answer him directly also, not try to widen your audience by bringing it to the group. In the future, please respond to person directly when they are polite enough to direct a comment to you privately. > > We all have our own way of communicating.........I prefer the NY, Brooklyn, Italian mode! > > > RE: Re: [] Scammers.....Lourdes > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 One of the very first groups I was part of years ago was a chemical sensitivity group. It went well for a few months, then a man, I do believe, joined. It took a while, but he was shown to be an industry person. The moderators would not kick him off, and many people left. I finally did too. Ella --- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...> wrote: > > All I can say is do not invite Lourdes to this forum. Sometime back we tried to I.D. her. There was no evidence that she existed. We have enough problems with scammers on the issue of molds and bacteria. I will not say anything else on this subject. > > Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D. > Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist > www.drthrasher.org > toxicologist1@... > Off: 916-745-4703 > Cell: 575-937-1150 > > > L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC > Trauma Specialist > sandracrawley@... > 916-745-4703 - Off > 775-309-3994 - Cell > > > > > This message and any attachments forwarded with it is to be considered privileged and confidential. The forwarding or redistribution of this message (and any attachments) without my prior written consent is strictly prohibited and may violate privacy laws. Once the intended purpose of this message has been served, please destroy the original message contents. If you have received this message in error, please reply immediately to advise the sender of the miscommunication and then delete the message and any copies you have printed. Thank you in advance for your compliance. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 I hope that I am not butting in here. But, I have never been able to establish there is anyone whose real name is " Lourdes Salvador " . I have never been able to verify that a person, who goes by the name " Lourdes Salvador " lives in Hawaii. At one point when this was brought to my attention by Angel, I did politely request from Lourdes that she send me something to verify she is a real person living in Hawaii. I received nothing. I do know that her phone exchange answering pager used to be a Los Angeles number, I am familiar that some who have associated with her in the past, confirm that they have not met her in person and that her org- of which they were listed as board members - is NOT a registered non-profit. That is pretty much all I know. As such, I can't say that she is a scammer but I CAN say that she is not someone I would be inclined to share much info with, or to take her words as the gospel. Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Thank you Sharon, Dr Thrasher and Angel, for bringing this to light. I see on FB that she is friends with many moldies that we know, so other people have been fooled by her. Certainly if she were real person she could have answered the simple questions put to her. I have never been able to > establish there is anyone whose real name is " Lourdes Salvador " . I have never > been able to verify that a person, who goes by the name " Lourdes Salvador " > lives in Hawaii. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 is there a middle inital? like m or t or l maybe? sometimes peoples use 2 last names and middle inital is actually the first letter of their first name. lourdes and salvador both sound like last names to me. do you have a city in HI.? let me know. > > I have never been able to > > establish there is anyone whose real name is " Lourdes Salvador " . I have never > > been able to verify that a person, who goes by the name " Lourdes Salvador " > > lives in Hawaii. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 It is strictly Lourdes Salvador aka Sal, supposedly lives on Maui. i was a former private investigator and I can assure you every venue/gov agency was accessible that is allowable and there is nothing. There are numerous people nation wide wit that name but no on ein HA. A lot fo people would be very grateful if you came up with her...we do know her REAL first name is Lori or Laurie can't recall now [] Re: Scammers.....Lourdes is there a middle inital? like m or t or l maybe? sometimes peoples use 2 last names and middle inital is actually the first letter of their first name. lourdes and salvador both sound like last names to me. do you have a city in HI.? let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 Do you have a idea of age? > > It is strictly Lourdes Salvador aka Sal, supposedly lives on Maui. > > i was a former private investigator and I can assure you every venue/gov agency was accessible that is allowable and there is nothing. There are numerous people nation wide wit that name but no on ein HA. > > A lot fo people would be very grateful if you came up with her...we do know her REAL first name is Lori or Laurie can't recall now > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 late 40's and supposed,ly born in NY, father supposedly was/is italian and has @, she 'supposedly' moved to HA with her matoher when a child. also calims to be a ranked body builder like 2nd/3rd places all bullshit..... [] Re: Scammers.....Lourdes Do you have a idea of age? > > It is strictly Lourdes Salvador aka Sal, supposedly lives on Maui. > > i was a former private investigator and I can assure you every venue/gov agency was accessible that is allowable and there is nothing. There are numerous people nation wide wit that name but no on ein HA. > > A lot fo people would be very grateful if you came up with her...we do know her REAL first name is Lori or Laurie can't recall now > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 a, I feel the same way that you do about not bashing those who are on the same side just because they may think a little differently than you do on certain points. It is detrimental to the Big Picture to do so. However as I understand it, Lourdes does not fall into the category of just thinking a little different. Here is the problem: There is no such legitimate organization called " MCS America " . There is no registered non-profit of " MCS America " . There is no business registered anywhere that I know of called " MCS America " . There is no board of directors for an organization called " MCS America " . There is no record of any person whose name is Lourdes Salvador, who claims to be President of a non-profit business called " MCS America " . Lourdes Salvador does not and never has resided or done business from the address of 13 Vale Street in Salem, NY as I understand it from the true occupant of that address. Yet, the CDC received a very well written letter with all of the above information in it, in 2007. We have enough problems with credibility while we fight the misinformation machine. To add this to the equation does not help anyone. Lourdes Salvador is obviously a very intelligent person, knows much about the symptoms of MCS, can articulate the matter effectively in writing and for some reason chooses to remain anonymous as to her true identity and true location. That is fine with me. But sending letters to the CDC on behalf of those with MCS while citing false information for the purpose of creating false credibility is not cool in my book. It puts my radar up as to what other false info is this person sharing and what would motivate them to do such. _http://www.mcs-america.org/CDCL.pdf_ (http://www.mcs-america.org/CDCL.pdf) Lourdes Salvador President, MCS America Also in the names of: Deborah Howery, Wanda Finney Board of Directors, MCS America 13 Vale Street Salem, NY 12864 Lourdes Salvador, President Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 Really!!! What is this woman guilty of??  Really how many people on this group use AKA's?? has she stolen from anyone??  Conned anyone like May or her co-hort whats her name???   Unless you have proof that she has intentionaly harmed anyone, I am sick of people stirring the pot and rehashing. If your gonna bash, do it in private!! Isn't there enough shit on everyone plate???   Can we stop with the bashing and focus on whats really important on this group?? Helping other people get well, and educating the masses!!! Life's to short a From: ntefusa@... <ntefusa@...> Subject: Re: [] Re: Scammers.....Lourdes Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 6:00 PM It is strictly Lourdes Salvador aka Sal, supposedly lives on Maui. i was a former private investigator and I can assure you every venue/gov agency was accessible that is allowable and there is nothing. There are numerous people nation wide wit that name but no on ein HA. A lot fo people would be very grateful if you came up with her...we do know her REAL first name is Lori or Laurie can't recall now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 1. Guilty of claiming to be a non-profit and trying to obtain $ that way 2. ning an auto accident to elicit $ 3. Orgnaizations DO NOT have presidents who are not viable or who hide themselves. this is not a person with a chat ID but one electing to claim to be in a power of management 4. Creating online biz where thefunds do not serve the targeted population How is that for starters? At least MAy is public and does not hide in the shadows like a theif in the night. Re: [] Re: Scammers.....Lourdes Really!!! What is this woman guilty of?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 In a message dated 12/11/2009 11:32:01 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sparksella@... writes: What is the diagnosis number for multiple chemical sensitivity, and is that the way it's listed on the " name and number list " ? Ella I don't know. Maybe someone else on this board does. _http://mcs-america.org/KennedyvsEdenAdvancedPestTechnologies.pdf_ (http://mcs-america.org/KennedyvsEdenAdvancedPestTechnologies.pdf) Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 What is the diagnosis number for multiple chemical sensitivity, and is that the way it's listed on the " name and number list " ? Ella .... is because a diagnosis of MCS is sure to get a case thrown out. However, that is no longer the case. MCS is now recognized as a legitimate diagnosis that can be triggered by an original environmental exposure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 > Con people gain your 'trust' confidence by being your friend and thats how they get information. you can say that again and if anyone here thinks that it hasn't been realized long ago that mold/myco exposure causes brain disfunctions and there are many who have and well take advantage of that for a few bucks and it's been going on for a good twenty years at least, they really need to open their eyes and see, cause it is happening right before your eyes. That I think is what you are missing. This is in NO way a single person, especially at the level she is writing, reading massive # emails, writing press rleeases. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 sorry Sharon but I don't see how eric claiming that he curred himself by practiceing avoidence for the last 20 years has helped anyone or the cause, it sounds extremely close to what many lawyers told me 6 or 7 years ago when I was trying to find a atty to take my case. " you get well if you get out of the moldy house " and gee, turns out that it wasn't even true after all. > > >o, is there any evidence that members of her chatgroup have had > information they shared used against them in litigation? > > Don't get me wrong. I know there is something off kelter about Lourdes > Salvador and her true identity - I have saved emails from " board members " of > her " non-profit " to prove this - but I have not seen any evidence of her > being an information gatherer for the defense. > > And although that may be the case, I don't think you can make that > statement without providing a link from A to B to substantiate this. > > Also, practicing medicine without a license is not a correct > statement. He always states that he is not a medical doctor when explaining what > has worked for him and what he has learned on his own. > > We have be careful. We have enough bonified and well documented " experts " > who help the defense through questionable means. We have some in our > midst that prey on the sick and injured by " befriending " them for fun and > profit, like May. > > Although I don't always agree with , I would NEVER put him in the > category of one doing harm to the sick and injured, or say that he is practicing > medicine without a license. He has helped a lot of people thru his > uncommon wisdom of uncommon personal experience. There is no doubt that 's > motivations are honorable and he does not hide that he is not a physician. > > Sal, on the other hand. I am still trying to figure out her gig. I can > find no errors in what she writes of the science. So why is she sooooooooo > incognito is the question. Could be personal reasons. Could be a > confidentiality agreement somewhere. Or...could be something else. >> massive # emails, writing press rleeases. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 snk1955@... wrote: He never thinks of matters from a legal liability status, because that is not his point of reference. >you mean the great almighty mold warrior has flaws? and after all the harping people here have recieved about being factual and thinking about what your saying, the all mighty is no better than the rest of us? doesn't just practice avoidance like moving to a new house, etc. He practices extreme avoidance of complete life style change. >and who of us hear haven't? you think I spend all my time alone because I like it? I'll just say it, eric is a big fat lier, and I dont like liers. I'm still waiting for the answer of what exactly extreme avoidance of mold is. because I think we all do that to the best of our ability because our natural instincts tell us to. nothing like a severe case of MCS to rule your world. Whether what they say is right or wrong for you, I don't think you can fault anyone for that. >eric's mouth has mislead people for years and I do fault him for that, mainly because of his arrogant attitude, I dont like arrogant attitudes either. and we seem to have tottally different memories regarding erics helpfulness. theres nothing special about eric except in his own mind. It hurts us all, as it gives the naysayers a divide and conquer opportunity. >this kindof goes back to angels point, just who to trust! Just like everyone else, he is doing the best he can to help others. > is he? has he? thats just not what I remember. It pains me when I see people who are sick and doing the best they can to help, disparage others who are trying to do the same thing. >gee, someone should have said this to eric in the past. My point is, does not claim to be a physician when sharing what he has learned. >I dont think anyone is dumb enough to do that. What I try to say as an example is " is a great guy who knows a lot, however I think.... " . That way, you can voice a different opinion without discrediting one who is trying to fight the same fight you are. > again, some should have said this to eric. why the double standard? I'm not going to say eric is a great guy, sorry, as you can see I dont think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Good for you. It appears that some progress is being made. > > Hi All, > > > I just wanted to add that I just got my SS disabilty based on MCS. That is how they wrote it. MCS. I did it by myself and no appeal was necessary. Although I went threw heck. >  > > God Bless !! > dragonflymcs > Mayleen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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