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[Guest guest]

Hi all

I have a problem and need your help.I have CFS for 20 years and MCS for at least

15 years and mold sensitive. I am planning to move to a new flat but i noticed

that this flat have some moldy areas.Some mold on walls and hardwood parquet

flooring.I am planning to do my best to remove all mold.Scratching the

wall,removing the effected parquet totally,etc.. My question is:is it possible

to remove the mycotoxins totally?if i am able to clean the effected areas could

that place be healthy for me? Or would that place be unhealthy once the mold

forms and nothing will help?

thanks

cindi

[Guest guest]

At 03:48 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote:

>wall,removing the effected parquet totally,etc.. My question is:is

>it possible to remove the mycotoxins totally?if i am able to clean

>the effected areas could that place be healthy for me? Or would that

>place be unhealthy once the mold forms and nothing will help?

Mycotoxins are not always formed. Research is trying to find out when each

species will emit mycotoxins, what causes it to. It appears to be different

for different species. There are over 500,000 species, and it is known that

several dozen to hundreds, or even thousands of them, will at times, emit

mycotoxins. Is it heat? Cold? Water? Lack of? A combination of them?

I know I have read on this list about mycotoxins being " on " things, to be

cleaned off. My previous readings before this list had most all mycotoxins

being gasses. So, I have some research to do.

It's true once mold has grown on something it's hard to prevent it from ever

growing again. Sometimes it comes right back, other times it takes 20 years.

If you keep moisture down, and you used a mold inhibitor, a safe one like

borax (it's only a mild mold inhibitor, and washes off), if you tolerate borax,

then mold should not grow back.

Regarding the wall, yes, removing the mold is good. If it is a plaster wall,

then you can cut out the wall (small hole up to 2 inches), and simply use

spackle or plaster the hole shut, and smooth it out. There are DIY videos

available for this. Use google to find them. Youtube likely has a few.

The floor is harder, as it's wood.

I could go on.

You main worries would be the mold removal. Once that is done, the

mycotoxins, if any, will go away with time. Where might they collect?

Well, it's a gas, and inside the wall if the mold grew in there, would

have gas, that slowly leaks out. But I would not be concerned over

the little leakage, as the dose is so low, unless to that mycotoxin

you are sensitive.

It's so complex. Wish it was as easy to send out a mold sample to a

lab, and get back a complete report with instructions on the range

of things you could/should do. I ought to start writing that book.

Oh, wait, I am. I'll post the URL here when the site goes live.

Yes, I will research " cleaning " mycotoxins. It's a good question.

I will not have answers for 1-2 months.

[Guest guest]

>Run-do not walk-away. Why would you even start with something like this? Can

you find an apartment that doesn't have mold growing on its walls? I don't want

to sound harsh but honestly people like us need to be a little pickier about

what they will compromise on and mold on the walls is a definite no.

> Hi all

>

> I have a problem and need your help.I have CFS for 20 years and MCS for at

least 15 years and mold sensitive. I am planning to move to a new flat but i

noticed that this flat have some moldy areas.

[Guest guest]

Dr Shoemaker says if you are sensitive to mycotoxins there is nothing that will

de-contaminate a house or belongings. I am very sensitive to mycotoxins, I have

moved a million times trying to find a mold free house. If you see mold, do not

even think about exposing yourself or tying to remediate the situation-it could

lead to a very bad set back in your health. It would outright kill me to be

locked in there, of course I would have to be tied to a chair with a gun to my

head to stay their for more than 30 seconds.

e:

>

> Hi all

>

> I have a problem and need your help.I have CFS for 20 years and MCS for at

least 15 years and mold sensitive. I am planning to move to a new flat but i

noticed that this flat have some moldy areas.Some mold on walls and hardwood

parquet flooring.I am planning to do my best to remove all mold.Scratching the

wall,removing the effected parquet totally,etc.. My question is:is it possible

to remove the mycotoxins totally?If I am able to clean the effected areas could

that place be healthy for me? Or would that place be unhealthy once the mold

forms and nothing will help?

> thanks

> cindi

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cindi,

It might be possible to remove all the visible mold and mycotoxin. But the

biggest concern is why the mold was there in the first place, and how soon it

will come back once you have cleaned it up. Mold is there because there is a

moisture problem somewhere. Until that is stopped, your problem will always come

back.

In addition, if you have visible mold, it is very likely you will have hidden

mold as well, such as in walls and under the parquet, and that hidden mold will

likely be far worse than the visible mold. If you see a mold problem in a

potential living space, look for a different living space.

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Posted by: " cindi " cindiwonderer@... cindiwonderer

Date: Sun May 24, 2009 3:56 pm ((PDT))

Hi all

I have a problem and need your help.I have CFS for 20 years and MCS for at least

15 years and mold sensitive. I am planning to move to a new flat but I noticed

that this flat has some moldy areas. Some mold on walls and hardwood parquet

flooring. I am planning to do my best to remove all mold.Scratching the

wall,removing the effected parquet totally,etc.. My question is:is it possible

to remove the mycotoxins totally?if i am able to clean the effected areas could

that place be healthy for me? Or would that place be unhealthy once the mold

forms and nothing will help?

thanks

cindi

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[Guest guest]

I agree with everything you say except for the ability of mycotoxin to be

removed-it is not visible-and the many people afflicted with this sensitivity

would like very much to know how one would remove them. I have been able to

remove anything I can soak overnight in hot water and a specialty soap-but a

house, an apt, a room-never happened in the last 9 years-and believe me ,I have

tried just about everything.

>

>

> Cindi,

>

>

>

> It might be possible to remove all the visible mold and mycotoxin. But the

biggest concern is why the mold was there in the first place, and how soon it

will come back once you have cleaned it up. Mold is there because there is a

moisture problem somewhere. Until that is stopped, your problem will always come

back.

>

>

[Guest guest]

The first 2 years I was recovering, I spent a great deal of time e-mailing every

mycologist, toxicologist I could find, I heard a vast array of differing

opinions on the nature of mycotoxins. Since there are so many with different

properties, one would think that I would have varied reactions to mold growth.

But no, the substance that has made my life a living hell for many years is

formed as soon as the spores wake up-it has no smell, it has properties of both

a gas and a liquid, and can bind so tightly to objects that it takes a 8hr soak

in a very strong chemical soap to release it, or de-contaminate it, I have not

figured out which it is. All hyper-sensitized people like myself develop this

issue. If someone would make it there work to find out exactly what the

substance is, it might make getting rid of it easier. Until then ,it is a

mycotoxin as far as I am concerned, as it give me all the symptoms of

mycotoxosis. Please alert me personally if you find out anything interesting. As

I said in a past post, Shoemaker says if you are sensitive to mycotoxins there

is no way to de-contaminate your home or belongings.

> Yes, I will research " cleaning " mycotoxins. It's a good question.

> I will not have answers for 1-2 months.

>

[Guest guest]

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" mycotoxins, if any, will go away in time. " I have NEVER read that before, can

you elaborate? How much time? If that is so, why are there so many of us that

cannot return to our homes after exposure without severe reaction? I sure hope

you are right, as that would give me hope to go back to my home one day. D

In , <pete-@...> wrote:

>

> At 03:48 PM 5/24/2009, you wrote:

> >wall,removing the effected parquet totally,etc.. My question is:is

> >it possible to remove the mycotoxins totally?if i am able to clean

> >the effected areas could that place be healthy for me? Or would that

> >place be unhealthy once the mold forms and nothing will help?

>

> Mycotoxins are not always formed. Research is trying to find out when each

> species will emit mycotoxins, what causes it to. It appears to be different

> for different species. There are over 500,000 species, and it is known that

> several dozen to hundreds, or even thousands of them, will at times, emit

> mycotoxins. Is it heat? Cold? Water? Lack of? A combination of them?

>

> I know I have read on this list about mycotoxins being " on " things, to be

> cleaned off. My previous readings before this list had most all mycotoxins

> being gasses. So, I have some research to do.

>

> It's true once mold has grown on something it's hard to prevent it from ever

> growing again. Sometimes it comes right back, other times it takes 20 years.

> If you keep moisture down, and you used a mold inhibitor, a safe one like

> borax (it's only a mild mold inhibitor, and washes off), if you tolerate

borax,

> then mold should not grow back.

>

> Regarding the wall, yes, removing the mold is good. If it is a plaster wall,

> then you can cut out the wall (small hole up to 2 inches), and simply use

> spackle or plaster the hole shut, and smooth it out. There are DIY videos

> available for this. Use google to find them. Youtube likely has a few.

>

> The floor is harder, as it's wood.

>

> I could go on.

>

> You main worries would be the mold removal. Once that is done, the

> mycotoxins, if any, will go away with time. Where might they collect?

> Well, it's a gas, and inside the wall if the mold grew in there, would

> have gas, that slowly leaks out. But I would not be concerned over

> the little leakage, as the dose is so low, unless to that mycotoxin

> you are sensitive.

>

> It's so complex. Wish it was as easy to send out a mold sample to a

> lab, and get back a complete report with instructions on the range

> of things you could/should do. I ought to start writing that book.

> Oh, wait, I am. I'll post the URL here when the site goes live.

>

> Yes, I will research " cleaning " mycotoxins. It's a good question.

> I will not have answers for 1-2 months.

>