Re: I have a special diet need due to Toxic Mold Illness

[Guest guest]

--- In , Helfrich <petehelfrich2004@...>

wrote:

> Pete Helfrich

> This

> is an adapted diet from Dr. Marinkovich

> Symptoms

> of mold hypersensitivity can be worsened by eating foods, such as cheeses,

> that are processed with fungi.

This diet is not at all in keeping with my understanding of which foods may be

particularly contaminated with aspergillus or other mycotoxins. It's an old

diet, created before much was known about toxic mold illness.

The contaminated foods to be particularly concerned about include:

* Corn (almost all stored corn is contaminated; fresh is fine)

* Rye

* Wheat (a lot of the time)

* Oats (a lot of the time)

* Rice (occasionally)

I'd be suspicious of other grains as well.

Alcohol made from these grains could be problematic, since mycotoxins are not

destroyed by even high heat. I always did well with things like sake (the

Japanese are very careful with rice production) and single malt scotch (ditto

the Scots with ingredients in their pride and joy). Other stuff did bother me,

sometimes.

I never did well at all with wine, making me suspect that a lot of grapes may be

contaminated during the long production period. Fresh grapes always seemed okay

to me.

Tea sounds iffy to me; I don't know much about the production process.

Theoretically things like potatoes and onions could be problematic since they're

stored in warehouses for very long periods of time, but I've never found any

problems whatsoever.

Conceivably the " regular mold " from the other items on the list could bother

someone who is EXTREMELY reactive to toxic mold. Many molds emit tiny amounts

of poison. But unless an individual is practicing extreme avoidance and is at a

really reactive stage, I can't see that being a problem.

Of course, people can have mold allergies to any of these foods. But allergies

are a minor problem not related to mold illness, and thus not one that I focus

on.

Best,

[Guest guest]

Dr Marinkovich said to me if I want to have oatmeal, which I did, to mix some

ascorbic acid powder in with it to detoxify it, so that's what I do in order to

have oatmeal. I don't know if it works but that's what I do. First was to not

eat it though and second, if you did, put some ascorbic acid in with the food.

Also can soak things in water with some ascorbic acid in it, like produce.

>

>

> The contaminated foods to be particularly concerned about include:

>

> * Corn (almost all stored corn is contaminated; fresh is fine)

> * Rye

> * Wheat (a lot of the time)

> * Oats (a lot of the time)

> * Rice (occasionally)

>

>

> I'd be suspicious of other grains as well.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Dr Marinkovich said to me if I want to have oatmeal, which I did, to mix some

ascorbic acid powder in with it to detoxify it, so that's what I do in order to

have oatmeal. I don't know if it works but that's what I do. First was to not

eat it though and second, if you did, put some ascorbic acid in with the food.

Also can soak things in water with some ascorbic acid in it, like produce.

us of other grains as well.

IV's of vitamin C are the only thing that has really made any difference

whatsoever in the extent to which toxic mold affects me. Oral vitamin C (lots

of it, 15 g or more a day) seems to help a bit too.

I wonder why you would need to mix the ascorbic acid in the oatmeal though. Is

it really supposed to have a direct effect on the oats, do you think?

It's hard to imagine that it would detoxify the oats, but you never know. Maybe

Branislav has some experience with the effect of ascorbic acid on toxins.

[Guest guest]

I found this study where vit c was given to fish exposed to ochratoxins, 

conclusions page 8.

http://ag.arizona.edu/azaqua/ista/ista6/ista6web/pdf/209.pdf

 

  

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: Slaya <slayadragon@...>

Sent: Sat, November 28, 2009 6:05:28 PM

Subject: [] Re: I have a special diet need due to Toxic Mold

Illness

 

>

> Dr Marinkovich said to me if I want to have oatmeal, which I did, to mix some

ascorbic acid powder in with it to detoxify it, so that's what I do in order to

have oatmeal. I don't know if it works but that's what I do. First was to not

eat it though and second, if you did, put some ascorbic acid in with the food.

Also can soak things in water with some ascorbic acid in it, like produce.

us of other grains as well.

IV's of vitamin C are the only thing that has really made any difference

whatsoever in the extent to which toxic mold affects me. Oral vitamin C (lots of

it, 15 g or more a day) seems to help a bit too.

I wonder why you would need to mix the ascorbic acid in the oatmeal though. Is

it really supposed to have a direct effect on the oats, do you think?

It's hard to imagine that it would detoxify the oats, but you never know. Maybe

Branislav has some experience with the effect of ascorbic acid on toxins.

[Guest guest]

Excellent article. Dr Marinkovich emphasized that it was ascorbic acid and not

just any form of vit C.

>

> I found this study where vit c was given to fish exposed to ochratoxins, 

conclusions page 8.

>

> http://ag.arizona.edu/azaqua/ista/ista6/ista6web/pdf/209.pdf

>  

>   

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

>

[Guest guest]

It was so long I talked to him, not sure. I may have added my own use but I

remember him saying advisable to wash or soak anything that may contain mold or

toxins in ascorbic acid. He advises against canteloup as moldy skin but if you

want to eat, get it whole, clean the skin well and soak it in water with

ascorbic acid or hydrogen peroxide. I react to hydrogen peroxide so I never use

that. I use ascorbic acid on everything. To just get mold, you can soak in a

vinegar water soak. I MAY have decided to put ascorbic acid into oatmeal myself

since I cannot wash oatmeal and soak in ascorbic acid as right now I'm using

instant...because I am on crutches for awhile, just hard to cook, esp from

scratch. (I was almost off crutches this past week and then lost my balance

today and fell on almost recovered foot again...sigh. I have trouble with

balance due to being off my feet so long.) If nothing else, its a good way to

get ascorbic acid in since I don't like it mixed in water, but theoretically it

should work or help.

> >

> > Dr Marinkovich said to me if I want to have oatmeal, which I did, to mix

some ascorbic acid powder in with it to detoxify it, so that's what I do in

order to have oatmeal. I don't know if it works but that's what I do. First

was to not eat it though and second, if you did, put some ascorbic acid in with

the food. Also can soak things in water with some ascorbic acid in it, like

produce.

> us of other grains as well.

>

>

> IV's of vitamin C are the only thing that has really made any difference

whatsoever in the extent to which toxic mold affects me. Oral vitamin C (lots

of it, 15 g or more a day) seems to help a bit too.

>

> I wonder why you would need to mix the ascorbic acid in the oatmeal though.

Is it really supposed to have a direct effect on the oats, do you think?

>

> It's hard to imagine that it would detoxify the oats, but you never know.

Maybe Branislav has some experience with the effect of ascorbic acid on toxins.

>

>

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