Re: Mycotoxins & Exposure Limits

[Guest guest]

Has anyone read the information on the following website? It has a lot of

information and discussion about mold exposure limits.

http://inspect-ny.com/sickhouse/Mold_Standards.htm

For example, the European Union has these guidelines for apartments:

European Union mold exposure standards: for apartments the E.U. uses these mold

level designations

* Indoor mold spore counts of < 50/m³ very low

* Indoor mold spore counts of < 200/m³ low

* Indoor mold spore counts of < 1000/m³ medium

* Indoor mold spore counts of < 10000/m³ high

* Indoor mold spore counts of > 10000/m³ very high The World Health

Organization also has mold exposure standards- see World Health Organization

Mold Bulletin.

World Health Organization mold exposure guidelines specify that

pathogenic and toxigenic fungi are not acceptable in indoor air as

follows:

* * Mold spore counts of over 50/m³: for a single mold species, identify

the source of mold

* Mold spore count sup to 500/m³: a mixture of common fungi typical

for a given location is acceptable - an example would be the most

common mold genera found outdoors, Cladosporium sp.

* According to Senkpiel/Ohgke: Indoor concentrations that are over

100/m³ above the outdoor air indicate a problem (we would argue that

this standard is inappropriately tight) -- 'Schimmelpilz-Leitfaden',

German Environmental Protection Agency

* Source: Building Biology Evaluation Guidelines for the E.U.

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From: <pete-@...>

Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:10:59 PM

Subject: Re: [] Mycotoxins

At 10:25 AM 8/20/2009, you wrote:

> I got a book about mycotoxins being in our food. If people are

> eating mycotoxins in their food, than how is that any different

> from inhaling them from living in a watered damaged house?

The digestive system has more protections in place than the lungs.

By protections I mean immune system reactions, and other chemicals.

[Guest guest]

There're even more worldwide standards in a book available from

http://www.oehcs.com/

Keep in mind that there are " standards " and there are

STANDARDS.

Some are by an organization selling products. Some are by non-

profit organizations to promote their industry. Others can be an

industry consensus. Still others are industry consensus as

accredited by an independant agency. There are standards of

practice, standards of care and standards of best practice. And

none are regulations or laws.

To further complicate it there are practice parameters which

aren't standards but carry more clout than the standards. At least

for their members.

I'm not defending the lack of laws or regulations and I'm not trying

to discourage anyone. But it is important to keep in mind what is

enforceable and what isn't. And with the multitude of standards,

who will choose which one and why and how can it be defended?

We need to evaluate and rank the type of standard and the

quality of the standard, including the quality of the supporting

evidence.

Just as there is no silver bullet for what ails us, there is no silver

bullet " standard " for what will keep us well. But we can evaluate

the information so we can make better choices.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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Has anyone read the information on the following website? It has

a lot of information and discussion about mold exposure limits.

http://inspect-ny.com/sickhouse/Mold_Standards.htm

For example, the European Union has these guidelines for

apartments:

European Union mold exposure standards: for apartments the

E.U. uses these mold level designations

* Indoor mold spore counts of < 50/m³ very low

* Indoor mold spore counts of < 200/m³ low

* Indoor mold spore counts of < 1000/m³ medium

* Indoor mold spore counts of < 10000/m³ high

* Indoor mold spore counts of > 10000/m³ very high

The World Health Organization also has mold exposure

standards- see World Health Organization Mold Bulletin. World

Health Organization mold exposure guidelines specify that

pathogenic and toxigenic fungi are not acceptable in indoor air as

follows:

* Mold spore counts of over 50/m³: for a single mold

species, identify the source of mold

* Mold spore count sup to 500/m³: a mixture of common

fungi typical for a given location is acceptable - an

example would be the most common mold genera found

outdoors, Cladosporium sp.

* According to Senkpiel/Ohgke: Indoor concentrations that

are over 100/m³ above the outdoor air indicate a

problem (we would argue that this standard is

inappropriately tight) -- 'Schimmelpilz-Leitfaden',

German Environmental Protection Agency

* Source: Building Biology Evaluation Guidelines for the

E.U.

From: <pete-@...>

Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:10:59 PM

Subject: Re: [] Mycotoxins

At 10:25 AM 8/20/2009, you wrote:

> I got a book about mycotoxins being in our food. If people are

> eating mycotoxins in their food, than how is that any different

> from inhaling them from living in a watered damaged house?

The digestive system has more protections in place than the lungs.

By protections I mean immune system reactions, and other chemicals.

The lungs have almost zero, just a molecule size limitation.

Anything in the lungs might stay there, a long time.

The nose is close to the brain and molecules can use that pathway.

Also, sublingual under the tongue, is an unprotected path directly

into the blood.

The stomach has bile, HCl acid, at a pH of 2. Not much survives that.

The stomach lining allows only certain nutrient molecules to pass

into the blood,

those tagged by the digestive system set of molecules expressly made for

that

purpose. And a lot of other protections.

>being poisoned with mycotoxins.

Correct. And those foods you eat are coated, or have systemic, traces of

pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, antibiotics, and heating food creates

toxins, even poisons, at extremely, terribly low dose levels, so there are

many assaults upon one's body via the food you choose to eat.

I choose 98% organic and low heat cooking (under 212 degrees where

water is the primary temperature limiting factor. I've not used an oven

for meat for over a year now, only potatoes and yams.).

>If the food industry has guidelines on the amount of mycotoxins in

>food then why is air quality not regulated as well? Any comments?

Good point. The EPA sets " permissible emissions level " or PEL, and are

looking

for scientific studies to set the initial PEL levels for each

mycotoxin. As the

scientific equipment to " capture " mycotoxin molecules was developed in

only

the last five years, and only does less than 5% of the types, well, we have

a

while for these studies to be first funded, then done, then published, and

then

have the EPA review several studies, for each mycotoxin. It's going to

take

10-20 years to finish setting PELs for each currently known mycotoxin,

imho.

>The Book is titled The Fungal Mycotoxin Etiology of Human Disease

>(FungalBionic Series) by retired head of World Health Organization.

I have to like these " retired " WHO staffers, coming clean, after being

gagged by WHO and the like.

>Also I noted that for as many ways mycotoxins enter our bodies there

>are a number of remedies including vitamins, anti fungal drugs,

>steroids and diet changes to assist them to leave our bodies.

Oh, that would be good to post. I'm interested.

>It appears mycotoxins can be in anyone even if they haven't been in

>a mold infested home. Is my interpretation correct?

Inhale once. It's likely you just inhaled 100 to 10,000 mycotoxin

molecules.

No worries though, as your immune can easily handle that level, and

you'd

never notice. Why? Well, your body has been doing since you were born.

A long, valid history there.

>And if that is the case are these doctors like shoemaker and others

>who charge outrageous prices and don't accept insurances preying on

>those of us who have " knowingly " been exposed to mycotoxins through

>our learning about them due to our mold infested homes?

And the alternative is they close their doors to seeing such?

Or lower their prices? As I understand it, if I were in those shoes,

my price would be determined by two factors: How much I wanted

to work each day, and supply and demand. Every job has this

going for it.

Though, you might have meant something else?

>And are the regular doctors preying on those who " unknowingly " have

>mycotoxins in them which are mimicking various diseases to also make

>money? It looks like to me people are being exploited in each situation.

You did not mention the medical schools who have refused through 40

years

of knowing about mycotoxins to include them in the curriculum. I think

you

might have a point about the school selection criteria, but not the doctors

coming out of the schools. Feedback?

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