Re: ACOEM advice for healthcare reform~Washington Post

[Guest guest]

Interesting info about Westinghouse. I never knew that. And yes, the

office of budget and management DID find that if more people die young, it

saves costs of social security and medicare. (like one would need a study to

understand that).

But that is not the point. The point is ACOEM using the fear mongering

technique to bash the health care bill. The point is, these guys are doing

slick marketing. " preventative medicine " is a code phrase in some instances

of blaming the sick for their illnesses. fat? smoke? sorry, the work

place did not cause your illness. insurance denied.

Preventative medicine IS good. But not the way ACOEM is selling it to

instill fear that health care reform is meant to kill us off early. If you

guys have never rummaged thru the ACOEM website, you should. They appear to

view the worker as chattel with the only concern being how to best use them

to increase industry profits.

In a message dated 11/10/2009 3:53:59 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

jerizerr@... writes:

I hate to burst yer bubble, but in a college course I took many years ago

this year

[Guest guest]

Because they can and do.

In a message dated 11/10/2009 5:40:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

brianc8452@... writes:

How can the ACOEM say the health care reform bill is unethical, but they

are the ones who used a single-dose rat study to claim that mold doesn't

hurt anybody? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

[Guest guest]

I hate to burst yer bubble, but in a college course I took many years ago it

was widely discussed by the professor and a number of students that from

certain people's point of view it's best for the government (and those

people) if the majority of us do NOT live longer due to the strain on others

to take care of them and the " burden " to the younger workers by draining

SSA, SSDI, medicare, etc...

Along the lines of bursting your bubble thinking that all is done in the

best interest of society overall:

Why do you think Royal Rife's office was ransacked and his notes taken

(mostly destroyed but thankfully some survived) showing proof that the

causes of many cancers were found to be viral and/or bacterial related and

his very effective treatments were discredited (and worse)? It sure wasn't

to help cancer patients that he was discredited and dishonored (btw, today

the viral / cancer link has been reaffirmed such as HPV linked to cervical

cancer) http://www.rifevideos.com/ http://www.rense.com/health/rife.htm

Why do you think Nikola Tesla died alone as a pauper after he theorized and

proved broadcast power - the wireless transmission of electricity that he

demonstrated by lighting " Edison lightbulbs " over 20 miles from the power

source, without any transmission lines whatsoever? (this was in the 1880s

or 1890s... over 100 years ago) Westinghouse and Edison wanted to SELL

electricity, whereas Tesla planned to give it to the people, free of

charge. Westinghouse's response? He yanked Tesla's funding.

http://books.google.com/books?id=tmmOvqV4MboC & pg=PA57 & lpg=PA57 & dq=tesla+westingh\

ouse+broadcast & source=bl & ots=5fDScf215G & sig=DQXUdIJwTnrCx5-iRQ3NSRP7JNk & hl=en & ei\

=gPf5SpH1AoiYMemH6dYK & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=8 & ved=0CCgQ6AEwBw#v=o\

nepage & q=tesla%20westinghouse%20broadcast & f=false

Why has the news been so quiet about Razer Technologies? Earlier this year

they successfully demonstrated a modified 2009 Hummer H3 before the U.S.

Congress. The H3, known as a very large gas guzzling SUV was modified as a

PHEV - plugin hybrid electric vehicle - that achieves over 100+ mpg.

http://greenstockscentral.com/raser-rz-to-showcase-hybrid-hummer-h3-at-us-capito\

l-tomorrow-1630.html

Now ponder that all three of these examples involve multiple aspects of

power - both electricity power and greed / capiltalism power over society.

Power is Power.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:31 AM, <snk1955@...> wrote:

>Talk about some slick marketing on behalf of the insurance industry and

> the US Chamber! ACOEM inferring that the healthcare reform bill is

> unethical

> because it seeks to kill people so they won't be a burden on Social

> Security and Medicare.

>

>

[Guest guest]

How can the ACOEM say the health care reform bill is unethical, but they are the

ones who used a single-dose rat study to claim that mold doesn't hurt anybody?

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

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From: " snk1955@... " <snk1955@...>

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Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 8:31:22 AM

Subject: [] ACOEM advice for healthcare reform~Washington Post

Talk about some slick marketing on behalf of the insurance industry and

the US Chamber! ACOEM inferring that the healthcare reform bill is unethical

because it seeks to kill of people so they won't be a burden on Social

Security and Medicare.

" In recent reports and letters to Senate and House leaders, the

Congressional Budget Office says there is no evidence that preventive health

care

saves money -- and that actually it has the potential to do the opposite by

extending the lives of our citizens, who eventually will rely on programs such

as Social Security and Medicare " Pamela Hymel, President of ACOEM

_http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/09/AR200911090

2949.html?wpisrc= newsletter & wpisrc=newslette r_

(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn

/content/article/ 2009/11/09/ AR2009110902949. html?wpisrc= newsletter &

wpisrc=newslette r)

Pamela A. Hymel: Why preventive care is critical

By Pamela A. Hymel

Monday, November 9, 2009; 6:25 PM

In recent reports and letters to Senate and House leaders, the

Congressional Budget Office says there is no evidence that preventive health

care saves

money -- and that actually it has the potential to do the opposite by

extending the lives of our citizens, who eventually will rely on programs such

as Social Security and Medicare.

This Story

* _Pamela A. Hymel: Why preventive care is critical_

(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/11/09/ST2009110903314.h\

tml)

* _More from Second Opinions: A forum on health care_

(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2009/09/15/LI2009091501691\

..html)

But as leaders in Congress debate the issue of preventive health care, they

should not focus simply on how much it will cost. Rather, they should

think about how much prevention will earn: the potentially huge impact of

work-based disease prevention and wellness programs on our economy and national

productive output. Simply put, a healthier workforce is a more productive

workforce -- on virtually every level one can measure: From an individual's

daily work performance and satisfaction to a company's bottom line and the

nation's gross domestic product..... .