Re: Dr. Recommendation Request

[Guest guest]

What a shame that the doctors who CAN help in this country are far and

few. We're in bad shape educationally and environmentally. I just saw

a headline on MSNBC: " Willing to Give up Blue Skies for Climate Fix? " .

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33495560

Ever wonder why certain diseases and molds spread so quickly and so

far and wide? Stachybotrys was mutated by the Russians decades ago for

biowarfare purposes. It used to be only in southern humid climates.

Now it's worldwide. Have we been having realtime star wars the past

few decades?

Barth

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J> Hi Gang!

J>  

J> I have been experiencing symptoms for over a year now which were brought on

by a move by my department from one floor to another floor in leased space in a

Center City Philadelphia Office Building.

J>  

J> I have seen 2 allergists, but their experience is only with normal allergens

(grass, trees, etc.). 

J>  

>>From my vacations this year, I have discovered that I react around the steam

vents (ex. Philly, Baltimore, Atlantic City).  I also have suspected from the

inception of my reaction, that the

>>allergen I'm reacting to is coming from the HVAC area on my floor. 

J>  

J> Since I did not test positive for molds, I believe my reaction is particle

related or steam system related.  Does anyone know any doctors that specialize

in this area?  I have Googled, but have

J> been unsuccessful so far.

J>  

J> I tried Environmental Dr. and have been to Woodlands in Quakertown and they

were no help.

J>  

J> Thanks so much.

[Guest guest]

 there is a mycotoxin which is produced by aspergillius and penicillinum called

ergot and occurs in infected pasture grass. My son did not test positive either

for being allergic to mold but was highly allergic to grass. we had both of

these molds in our old house and I believe the ground there was contaminated due

to leak underneath the house which was never fixed properly. Now my son has MS. 

From: Patilla DaHun <glypella@...>

Subject: Re: [] Dr. Recommendation Request

" Joanne " < >

Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 7:57 PM

What a shame that the doctors who CAN help in this country are far and

few. We're in bad shape educationally and environmentally. I just saw

a headline on MSNBC: " Willing to Give up Blue Skies for Climate Fix? " .

http://www.msnbc. msn.com/id/ 33495560

[Guest guest]

Thank you for sharing this. I find it very interesting.

The air quality testing that work had done because of my reaction indicated the

presence of Aspergillius/Penicillium, but I've been told the test results were

all within normal limits. I even discussed the Penicillium in the results with

my allergist as I am allergic to Penicillin, but he wasn't concerned.

I am sorry to hear about your son. I hope that he is ok.

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> a headline on MSNBC: " Willing to Give up Blue Skies for Climate Fix? " .

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> http://www.msnbc. msn.com/id/ 33495560

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[Guest guest]

Just because the air tests are considered normal, that does not mean that you

are not reacting to them. Normal does not really apply to someone who has been

severely mold injured. I have trouble walking into a store that hundreds of

people are happily shopping in. D

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> > a headline on MSNBC: " Willing to Give up Blue Skies for Climate Fix? " .

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> > http://www.msnbc. msn.com/id/ 33495560

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[Guest guest]

Also, not all reactions are allergic reactions. I have innumerable

clients who are not allergic to mold (the proteins) but strongly

react to the multitude of other components of mold in a non-

allergic way.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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Just because the air tests are considered normal, that does not mean that you

are not reacting to them. Normal does not really apply to someone who has been

severely mold injured. I have trouble walking into a store that hundreds of

people are happily shopping in. D

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> > there is a mycotoxin which is produced by aspergillius and penicillinum

called ergot and occurs in infected pasture grass. My son did not test positive

either for being allergic to mold but was highly allergic to grass. we had both

of these molds in our old house and I believe the ground there was contaminated

due to leak underneath the house which was never fixed properly. Now my son has

MS.

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> > --- On Fri, 10/30/09, Patilla DaHun <glypella@>wrote:

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> > a headline on MSNBC: " Willing to Give up Blue Skies for Climate Fix? " .

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> > http://www.msnbc. msn.com/id/ 33495560

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[Guest guest]

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> Also, not all reactions are allergic reactions. I have innumerable

> clients who are not allergic to mold (the proteins) but strongly

> react to the multitude of other components of mold in a non-

> allergic way.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

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> Carl,

could you please explain the difference between an allergic reaction and a

non-allergic (toxic?) reaction. thanks, Anne

[Guest guest]

Anne,

Difficult question to answer in any meaningful way. I'm not a

doctor but even doctors sometimes don't make the distinction.

When we react we don't much care if it is allergic, non-allergic,

toxic, irritant, or neurological. We don't like it.

But physicians specifically test for allergic reactions, which are an

IgE mediated response of the mast cells. The location of the

allergen swells. Think skin prick test or nose runs, eyes water.

If that doesn't happen then you aren't diagnosed with an allergic

reaction. You aren't reacting to the proteins in the mold, pollen,

dander or whatever. But that doesn't mean there is no reaction.

The other kinds of reactions are any one of a number of non-

allergic reactions. Unfortunately many physicians are not trained

to consider reactions which are not an allergic reaction. It's either

an allergic reaction or no reaction (despite your suffering).

Toxic is troublesome because of a lack of agreement of what is a

harmful effect on the body. By that classical definition, allergic

reactions are toxic reactions. But toxic usually means something

stronger, more harmful, a more direct risk of permanent harm.

There are no good guidelines on when a particular substance

become toxic rather than an irritant. When does a toxin become a

poison and cause death?

Allergens can effect more than the immediate area of contact.

This is obvious to those whose allergic reaction is a rash away

from the contact, or headache, or muscle/joint problems.

Neurological effects are more controversial but many on this

group can testify to the reality of that! Allergens can cause

anaphylactic shock in some individuals, as with peanut allergies. I

guess that would be called a toxic allergy. Poison might be a

better term.

That's the best I can do from a non-physician. Wikipedia has

some good descriptions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxicity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allergic

To see the absurdity of lack of definition and agreement, Google

" toxic. " The first listings are not about molds, toxins or poisons

but a song titled " Toxic " by Briteny Spears. As far as I'm

concerned, Briteny Spears is a toxin whether she's singing or not!

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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> Also, not all reactions are allergic reactions. I have innumerable

> clients who are not allergic to mold (the proteins) but strongly

> react to the multitude of other components of mold in a non-

> allergic way.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

>

> Carl,

could you please explain the difference between an allergic reaction and a

non-allergic (toxic?) reaction. thanks, Anne

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[Guest guest]

Your allergist was not concerned because it was not his life, or a loved ones in

peril.

Its the selfish world of greed we are living in where people like this are

allowed to make life or death choices over our care.

I would go back in & be more assertive... If that fails, file a complaint with

the Dr.; then file a complaint with your Governor.

This is your life, your health & well being = fight for it, or die trying. We

too often cower to people with more certificates on their wall than us, but that

by no means intimidates me, nor should it you.

I've blown away 15+ Dr.'s with what I know about mold & I know about 25% of what

there is to know. Come in with hard data & blow their minds = either impress

them or find another Dr...

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> > Thank you for sharing this. I find it very interesting.

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> > The air quality testing that work had done because of my reaction indicated

the presence of Aspergillius/Penicillium, but I've been told the test results

were all within normal limits. I even discussed the Penicillium in the results

with my allergist as I am allergic to Penicillin, but he wasn't concerned.

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