Re: This is BULLSHIT Kirby (NOT SO)

[Guest guest]

IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT AUTISM YOU IGNORANT PEOPLE!

My hearing was damaged, both of my children and my brother were

vaccine injured in the form of brain damage/disabilities(NONE

AUTISTIC). I am so sick of hearing about Autism.....THE REST OF US

ARE HURTING TOO....IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT AUTISM AND IT IS NOT JUST

ABOUT MERCURY!!!

> >

> > There is still mercury in many of the mercury-free vaccines....

> >

> > What are the political ASSHOLES trying to do? Pin it on the

mercury

> > alone? We all know that other environmental toxins may cause

> Autism.

> > I'm sorry, but thank you no longer Mr. Kirby. I am done with

you.

> > Forgive me for being so damn harsh, but I have a lot of family

> pieces

> > to pick up and I'm sick of the bullshit journalists like you

dancing

> > around acting like mercury is the only factor when it's not.

> >

> > http://www.usnews.com/blogs/on-parenting/2008/7/11/autism-and-a-

link-

> to-

> > brain-development.html

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dawn

First I am not a " IGNORANT PEOPLE " and reading some of

parents comments posted on this site , they are not

ignorant either !!!

Secondly, you are correct when you say it not just about

Autism , because it is not just about autism .

Its about the explosion in class I juvenile diabetic ( 15% a year),

that we have seen since the the introduction of the MMR

Its about the number of SIDS , childreen who died before they

had a chance to say I love you to the mother

Its about parents ,like yourself who have suffered deeply from

there child catatrosphic injury resulting from a adverse reaction

to vaccine

But saying it just the mercury , is incorrect

Its about untested vaccine or vaccine that where introduce

base on incomplete or falsified document relate to there

true safety .

Its about poor quality control in vaccine production plant , that

knowingly release countaminated vaccine and that would hurt and

kill childreen.

It about the use of aluminum in vaccine , such as the HPV vaccine

that has hurt and killed young women

it is about my son who receive from 1997 to 1999 over 200 mg of mercury

and is damage for life .

It is about all the childreen and young adult that have been hurt or killed by

this pharmaceutical industrial complex .

You are insulting the wrong people , who have the same PAIN & ANGER !!

Pierre

My hearing was damaged, both of my children and my brother were

vaccine injured in the form of brain damage/disabilities (NONE

AUTISTIC). I am so sick of hearing about Autism.....THE REST OF US

ARE HURTING TOO....IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT AUTISM AND IT IS NOT JUST

ABOUT MERCURY!!!

[Guest guest]

> IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT AUTISM YOU IGNORANT PEOPLE!

>

> My hearing was damaged, both of my children and my brother were

> vaccine injured in the form of brain damage/disabilities(NONE

> AUTISTIC). I am so sick of hearing about Autism.....THE REST OF US

> ARE HURTING TOO....IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT AUTISM AND IT IS NOT JUST

> ABOUT MERCURY!!!

>

I agree completely. If you look at *all* vaccine injuries -

autoimmunities, neuropathies, allergies, etc etc etc - I think the

" risk/benefit " ratio for vaccines that the powers-that-be say is so

rosy would start to change VERY quickly. 1 in 150 for autism? 1 in

6 for all neurodevelopmental disorders (seems a bit high to me,

but..), 1 in 67 for autism as one estimate goes from educators..

What happens when you count in everything else that happens? 1 in

4? 1 in 3?

If you poke around on ageofautism there are some posts comments by

a person name Lawrence about this not only being the 'age of autism'

but also the 'age of HHV-6'. I think this is where the " autism

movement " MUST move next - to ALL environmental toxins, and to other

health problems caused by vaccines, toxicities, etc. Binstock

does a lot of research on environmental toxins. Even if mercury is

only part of the problem (and it certainly is), and even if we

removed it from all vaccines, it's still in the air, and China is

building more coal fired power plants (and somehow I don't think they

will all be clean-coal with good scrubber types). The Palmer studies

(2006, 2008, also Windham 2006) prove that environmental mercury and

air pollution in general is a problem with regards to autism - other

studies prove it with reference to other disorders, specifically asthma.

When I " joined " this fight, a person mother told me that the

autism community has been relatively slow to realize that mercury is

NOT all of the problem. This is a realization that cannot come too

soon in my opinion, as if the spectre is opened to include toxins

besides just mercury - to arsenic and antimony (flame retardants in

everything), bisphenol-A (plastics), some phthalates (plastics), PCBs

and dioxins (everywhere), etc, the risk is not just of autism

happening to kids - it's about God-Knows-What happening to ANYONE.

And it's even more insidious than that when you consider that a lot

of the things that happen to older people are not going to be as

" catastrophic " as autism. Certainly some are - paralysis caused by

guardasil for example (I use these examples because they're what I'm

familiar with), but other things are slower and/or " harder to

notice " . Rates of cancer, breathing problems, autoimmunity going

up. Osteoporosis getting worse and happening at lower ages, general

quality of life going down.

To do this will be harder in a way than " mercury autism " - because

the number of groups that are against us are more. If the spectre of

problems and causes/contributors is expanded as I outlined above, the

list of " people against us " grows from not just the vaccine

manufacturers and public-health people to include the large parts of

the chemical and food industries, and the changes that will have to

happen include almost everything we do - from transportation to how

we build houses.

Even with changes in the vaccination schedule that will need to be

made, I think that will mean we will have to radically re-think how

we handle things like childhood - we will have to get used to the

idea that kids will just get chicken pox regularly (once per child

though), instead of relying on a " convenient " vaccine. Same with

measles perhaps. We will have to think long and hard as a society

and as individuals about breast-feeding EVERY CHILD - for the immune

protection it provides. Day care practices will have to be re-

thought, as I'm not sure people would want un-immunized kids (whether

it be through vaccination when they are 2 or 3, or natural immunity)

together in groups of 15 or more as are typical in day care. School

(and parents) will have to change to accommodate kids that will

inevitably be sick.

As " sammysouthie " said:

" [] has given our children's cause much attention it didn't get

before graciously stepped up to do the right thing "

Now, if only we could get Al Gore to take up the cause to.. And

the rest of the environmental movement. THAT would be a force that

the powers that be could not ignore - if it were well organized. It

think that organization is something that , Dr. Pangborn of

DAN!, Loomis of the HHV-6 Foundation, and the many other

smart people in this fight could do. Sadly, autism will not be the

end. It is a wake-up call to humanity MUST clean up it's act - with

vaccines, with environmental pollution and other damage, with how we

run our lives and our civilization. I hope we are smart enough to

listen.

Jim

[Guest guest]

I have to say, that many of us come to this journey because of Autism, but most fight for everyone who has been damaged by vaccines. I know that when I was in DC and I spoke to a lot of people on the streets and on our hotel shuttle, I always stress the dangers to adults as well as children. I find you need to connect to each person on a personal level and when you do, you are more likely to get their attention to the dangers. So when talking to adults without small children or grandchildren, I always talk about the risks of adult vaccines.

Don't let your anger over autism getting the attention take away from the passion that the cause needs. I have to remind my self of this every time I hear that they have taken mercury out of vaccines and I want to yell "yeah right,what about all the other vaccines that never had it and all the other crap. "

We need all of us to fight this battle and need not to fight amongst ourselves.

Primer who lives in Oceanside but is in Carlsbad Unified School District

~All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -- Arthur Schopenhauer

~Well-behaved women seldom make history~ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

Re: This is BULLSHIT Kirby (NOT SO)

IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT AUTISM YOU IGNORANT PEOPLE!My hearing was damaged, both of my children and my brother were vaccine injured in the form of brain damage/disabilities (NONE AUTISTIC). I am so sick of hearing about Autism.....THE REST OF US ARE HURTING TOO....IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT AUTISM AND IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT MERCURY!!!> >> > There is still mercury in many of the mercury-free vaccines....> > > > What are the political ASSHOLES trying to do? Pin it on the mercury > > alone? We all know that other environmental toxins may cause > Autism. > > I'm sorry, but thank you no longer Mr. Kirby. I am done with you. > > Forgive me for being so damn harsh, but I have a lot of family > pieces > > to pick up and I'm sick of the bullshit journalists like you dancing > > around acting like mercury is the only factor when it's not. > > > > http://www.usnews. com/blogs/ on-parenting/ 2008/7/11/ autism-and- a-link-> to-> > brain-development. html> >>