Guest guest Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 A point of discussion For sometime now, I have been reading about the different responses an opinion coming from different doctors associated to American paediatric milieu. Sometimes these responses would come up in local newspaper, others time you would in TV or print media or as seen recently, truly very well organize efforts by senior members of this medical milieu associated to children and social health. What is interesting, when I started reading and listening, to these different comments and opinion, from this milieu, I started to notice that the message was always the same, like if everybody was playing from the same playbook. The message is always playing along the same theme: - Vaccination is good for kids - Before vaccination, kids would die by the 100K, 250K, 500K etc etc ( I kind of notice that this number keep changing) - If parents stop vaccination, there would be an epidemic of dying children. - They will mention a epidemic of measles that occurred in certain area ( They always seem to forget that that these events consisted of teenagers or young adult that had been vaccinated with the MMR vaccine - That parent of autistic children are a real nutty bunch - That Dr.Wakefield is a bad doctor and that he lost his licenses to practice, that why he came to the America (which is not correct) - That numerous studies demonstrated studies have demonstrated that there was correlation between Autism and Vaccine (Even though all of these studies have now been found to be flawed or found to be bogus What bothered me, is that after reading these different articles, that the message was just a little to consistent, like somebody was manipulating the message. But more confounding, is how these different doctors can maintain this position or opinion with the growing body of scientific evidence that is clearly showing a strong correlation between vaccine and autism. " I just not make any sense " But then I remember the incident that occurred in Great Britain, where it was discovered that a great numbers of doctors and paediatrician where receiving " Monetary kickback " from the government and the vaccine pharmaceutical Co. In this article, it mention that one doctor receive over 150,000 US$ for being such a great vaccinator. Now I can understand the position of people like " for Profit " Offit , who has a vested interest to push vaccine , but how about the other doctors, Then I remember that a great many kids get vaccinated at the doctor's office in the US. My question to my American sisters and brothers , do American doctors get paid kickback from the government and the big Pharma like what occurs in Great Britain?? As anybody ever investigated this matters about kickback being given to doctors in the US ?? This sound perverse, but when you think about, it might explain the high cost of vaccine, likes the HPV gardasil!!! Just think about it , doctor get paid by parents or there insurance company , then gets a commission or a " Big discount " every time he vaccinates a child. this would represent over 100% in profit windfall for doctors. I believe it is a good question, also it would explain some pretty bad behaviour. I leave you with question Pierre Montreal , Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 Hi Pierre,the message was just a little to consistent, like somebody was manipulating the message.as if those being quoted are part of a large PR effort? As in, multiple PR firms hired by Pharma companies pushing the "product" of disinformation? The product hawked by the Snydermans, Arthur s, and Gardiner es of the infotainment, I mean News, world? Naww, couldn't happen in the Land of the Free, Home of the Profits...do American doctors get paid kickback from the government and the big Pharma like what occurs in Great Britain??I'm not sure, but I think probably not, since mostly doctors here are not directly on the payroll of the government. They are paid by insurance companies, although most all pediatricians do take Medicaid, the gov't insurance program for poor children. There are other incentives for pediatricians to push the party line. One is the phony "quality" assessments that hold doctors to arbitrary standards of "good medical practice." Insurance companies use these standards to punish doctors at contract negotiation time- if they don't like a pediatrician because he costs the company too much (too many tests or referrals, say) they will come up with crap to harass the doctor, either by delaying payment, or putting you on the "subpar" quality list. Another is the groupthink so prevalent in American medicine, where you are punished if you are too much of a maverick- the way certain religious groups will shun someone who is too threatening to the status quo. Another reason is the possibility of litigation- if a kid gets chickenpox, and you didn't "protect" him with the MMRV, and the kid gets "traumatized" because he missed the spelling bee or something, you will be able to find a lawyer to take such a case and claim malpractice, since the child wasn't provided with "standard medical care." The fact is, malpractice is a real threat to doctors in this situation, esp. in the US. Also, much of the definition of "standard medical care" is defined by formerly objective gov't agencies like the CDC, and maybe never objective professional associations like the AAP, have aligned themselves with their corporate benefactors, although the average pediatrician doesn't understand this, and really doesn't have the time to look into this the way we parents have. All the above aside, I think the main reason that the average "pediatrician on the street" continues to justify giving the Hep B to newborns, or that "there's just a little mercury" in the vaccines "but it's safe," is that it's very threatening to their professional identity to realize that a large part of what they practice is based on phony science and commercial corruption of their education. To understand that much of their daily medical practice is bogus, and may have actually hurt many of their patients is simply too much to contemplate- cognitive dissonance, for you psychology types- and they simply put the blinders on, and continue to practice the way they were taught. To really take an objective look at the situation almost forces a paradigm shift that is too much for most of them to take- esp. for a group mostly at the bottom of their medical student class.I feel sorry for the ones who have gone on record spouting "tobacco science" and hysterical justification of the status quo, cause their progeny will live to see them discredited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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