Coffee

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In a message dated 9/16/99 12:08:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

nancy@... writes:

<< From: Wheeler <nancy@...>

Hi ,

No Pred? Hooray for you!

Thanks for the info on coffee and black tea. I take that to mean that

green tea would be OK? I bought some decaffeinated green tea and the

taste is not wonderful.

AIH Oregon Coast >>

Hi --

Yes, green tea is okay and good for you too, but I also thinks the taste is

terrible. I have started drinking something called teeccino and that is

going great. Teeccino is an herbal coffee made with roasted carob, barley,

chicory root, figs, almonds and dates. It gives a natural energy boost and

is brewed just like coffee. It comes in different flavors and I buy mine in

a local health food store.

No Pred in Georgia

crbdjb@...

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No Pred in Georgia----hey girl, I think we need to write a song about

you---that sure has a wonderful ring to it doesn't it? Joan in wet PA

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Dear , Go to www.rheumatic.org and read the diets of

Dr. Mercolas and Dr. . Both warn against CAFFEINE.

I already knew I could not tolerate the caffeine prior to starting the

antibiotics so consider myself fortunate. I had already had to win that

battle. Caffeine causes severe inflammation for me. It is just

not worth it. We all react in different ways, however. My inflammation

is primarily in kidneys, bladder and lungs but those are my own personal

archilles heels. Good luck in defeating the caffeine habit.

Love,

Houchard wrote:

Hi. I am new

to this group, but have been on the AP for a couple of years. Recently

I have had a terrible reaction to coffee and it seems to be interacting

with the Minocin. For example, if I drink coffee and have taken minocin

the night before, my joints swell horribly and I get a very sore throat.

Has anyone else ever had this experience or know what might be causing

it? Any thoughts are greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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,

Welcome to the group! I am sorry to hear you are feeling bad. I don't

know anything about coffee interacting with minocin, but was doing some

reading on Medline when that study about RA and coffee came out a couple of

months ago, and there seems to be a connection between caffeine and

increased TNFa from what my limited understanding could make out. This

could be a possible connection if your case of RA is strongly TNF-driven.

Other connections I can think of might be an allergy to coffee (eating

foods you are allergic to can cause RA to flare) or possibly a reaction to

something you may be putting into the coffee--milk intolerance?--intestinal

yeast flare-up from sugar? Coffee can also be dehydrating, which can

increase joint pain. No answers for you, but hopefully some things to

think about when you are puzzling it out.

I *love* coffee, but cannot drink it regularly as I used to. I seem to

get very sensitive to the caffeine when my health is poor, as when my RA

flares or when I am stressed from other illness or just life, LOL. I drink

mostly herbal tea now in the morning, or hot water with lemon, and feel so

much better. I drink coffee only rarely, when I am having a bad morning

with brain fog, and need some help waking up to work.

This was really hard for me to adjust to, coming from an area where

skipping coffee is heretical, and having practically lived in coffeehouses

for a couple of decades. I also have to get my part-time work done in a time

frame, and it is hard to meet deadlines when you are feeling bleary.

But....... it is well worth it not to feel sore and jangled all day.

Drinking tons of water or mild herbal teas help me get through both flares

and antibiotic herx reactions. Good luck to you with it...I look forward to

hearing more from you. See the rheumatic.org website for tips to help you

get through post-antibiotic flares. Liz G

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: Do you feel that drinking coffee increased your inflammation in

kidneys, bladder and lungs, i.e. did you notice a difference? Curious.

Babs

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In a message dated 10/30/2000 1:26:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

pioneer@... writes:

<< seems to be a connection between caffeine and

increased TNFa from what my limited understanding could make out. This

could be a possible connection if your case of RA is strongly TNF-driven. >>

Duh.... what's TNF?

Babs

RA 8/98, DX 4/99, AP 11/99

200 mg. Doxycycline

112 mcg. Synthroid

2 mg. Hytrin

Mestinon

Vits. & Misc. Suplmts.

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I had given up caffeine four to five years prior to going on the AP. I have

had surgery, silver nitrate treatments at the mouth of the bladder, and

antiinflammatory meds for years with the bladder and kidneys. When I gave

up caffeine and alcohol, the inflammation in those areas subsided. Getting

to know our bodies is so important. Like I told that lady, I feel lucky as

I had already had this battle so I did not have too many battles at once. I

also had already given up cokes (pop to you, I think) etc. I have been on

decaf tea for years and years to keep the bladder and kidney at bay. On a

more personal note, it also has been better for years to use a condom during

sex. Even the semen seemed to cause an inflammation. I have gotten so much

better now that we rarely ever have to use anything and that is great for

both of us. Hope this helps.

Babs56p@... wrote:

> : Do you feel that drinking coffee increased your inflammation in

> kidneys, bladder and lungs, i.e. did you notice a difference? Curious.

>

> Babs

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also, read the book CAFFEINE BLUES, which is an eye opener!!

>

>You really shouldn't be giving coffee to your child:) (just

>kidding). I am going to start chelation in about a week and I NEED

>my one cup in the morning. The only 2 mentions that Andy makes in

>his book are that people with arsenic poisoning crave hot liquids and

>acids and coffee and that coffee is a " sulfur food. " He suggest that

>people who have yeast issues take their liquid stimulant in the form

>of strong black tea, which has yeast killing tannin.

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> Does anyone drink one or two cups of coffee/regular or decaf? If

so do you know if it pretty much defeats the whole purpose of trying

to get well? Thanks, Connie

>

>

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Mark,

Dr. Weil isn't my favorite source of information, and coffee enemas are not

for constipation.

If you are having a problem achieving or maintain remission, one of the

first things you need to consider is detoxing.

FYI, back in March, enjoying excellent health, I suddenly ran into a

problem for which two local doctors had NO answers or even a clue. Without

going into a lot of detail, if not dealt with I knew I would not be long for

this world as it involved the liver and gallbladder, and yet I did not feel

sick. I was functioning normally.

It took a couple of months for the problem to escalate to where we could

pin-point its actual location. It was in the bile ducts restricted from

the years of inflammation (1972-1991) and scarring from RA. My

liver/gallbladder were clogged with sludge and toxins. Ugh!

In the last three months, I've done 6 parasite and liver/gallbladder

cleanses and a number of coffee enemas as recommended by a physician friend,

and passed 2100 stones. I probably have three or four more to go, but the

problem is clearing up.

BTW, detoxing several times a year is excellent as a preventive program.

Remember, over 70% of immune function takes place in the intestinal tract.

If that isn't working right you are going to have problems getting well. In

my ignorant days, I use to criticize my mother-in-law because at the first

sign of any problem, out came the enema bag. Even when her children got

colds - out came the enema bag. That dear lady lived to be 91 years old

without any disease. She died peacefully in her sleep.

It's amazing how quickly people will take toxic drugs with all sorts of side

affects both short and long term, and often yielding little or no benefit,

yet ignore, or worse yet, poke fun at safer and effective therapies that

are putting people in remission every day.

Ethel

rheumatic coffee

> |

> |

> | > Sure hope you guys drop the coffee enema topic for a while. I like a

> | fresh

> | > cup of quality coffee now and then and this kind of talk will turn me

> | > permanently to tea! Try some extra magnesium - it will do the job

> | just

> | > fine without all that other messy stuff.

> | >

> | > (and don't believe everything you read, which of course is pointless,

if

> | > you're a believer.

> | >

> | > Mark

> | >

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> Mark,

>

> Dr. Weil isn't my favorite source of information, and coffee

enemas are not

> for constipation.

> It's amazing how quickly people will take toxic drugs with all

sorts of side

> affects both short and long term, and often yielding little or no

benefit,

> yet ignore, or worse yet, poke fun at safer and effective

therapies that

> are putting people in remission every day.

>

> Ethel

Whatever works for you. But you won't convert this one to a

believer. And your comments about the side effects of toxic drugs

and their yielding little or no benefit is exaggerated. Myself and

many others (statistics are an amazing thing) have realized benefits

from these with little or no (in my case) side effects. But I

realize this is not a forum for that approach and I didn't bring it

up, I was only commenting on enemas and what I view as unnecessary

except in extreme cases.

Mark

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the absolute best coffee for enemas is available at

http://www.sawilsons.com/.

this is a coffee that is organic and specially grown and prepared for enemas.

it is not for drinking.

i would use nothing else for enemas.

good luck.

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search for 'welles step'

>Does anyone know where you can order the thing you can prop your

>feet on that sort of wraps around the bottom of the

>commode--supposed to put you in the best position for emptying the

>bowels?

>

>IvanaCorgi

>

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I was told that anything like that once picked begins to ferment or grow

mold

========Original Message========

Subj: Coffee

Date: 1/11/2004 11:57:03 AM Eastern Standard Time

From: karitrautman@...

Reply-to: candidiasis

candidiasis

Sent from the Internet (Details)

Well doing all this research for my daughter has encouraged me to take an

inventory of myself and I also feel I need to make some changes. Perhaps

started a while back, but most notable after I had an adverse reaction to a

strong antibiotic called cipro a few years ago. Am now realizing maybe I

got pushed over the edge when I took it because of a problem to begin with,

and why I have an extra problem ever since when I drink wine or pig out on

sweets. Funny how we sometimes can see things so clearly when it's someone

else but don't always take the time to take care of ourselves?

Long way of asking about coffee. (I've posted so much about my daughter I

didn't want you to think I was giving a 7 yr old coffee!) I see it's not

good, but was wondering why. One place I saw made it sound like it often

has the mold element included. Was wondering if this was the case, is there

a way around drinking maybe organic coffee or something to make it " legal " ?

Thanks,

Kari

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Nor was there any mention of the stress on the adrenals from coffee,

stimulating a fight or flight response, resultant agitation. I can see where

maybe

in moderation, a cup in the morning. db

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Sommer wrote:

>

> On a scale of 1-10, how bad is coffee as far as the diet goes?

==Caffeine depresses the immune system and is hard on the adrenals.

Some people do worse on caffeine than others so I couldn't give you a

number.

> And chocolate without sugar (I mean the straight cocoa)?

==>Straight pure cocoa is extremely bitter.

> I'm still > constipated and thought coffee would help get things

moving. > Unfortunately I think it just dehydrated me and made me feel

> speedy/sleepy.

==>Take extra vitamin C and magnesium for your constipation, instead of

coffee - see the Digestion folder for the details and other suggestions.

Bee

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Edie,

You wrote:

> Does coffee have any effect on the absorption of synthroid?

Probably, but you have to set your priorities.

It probably does interfere a little, but you can just titrate your dose

to the level needed for habitual early morning coffee intake. Just avoid

creamers with calcium, iron, and soy. These definitely WILL interfere,

even if the " essential nutrient " (coffee) does not.

I have had extended periods with and without coffee on the same dose of

T4 and did not notice any hypoT or hyperT symptoms, except for those

that coincide with vitamin caffeine deficiency. If coffee were

interfering, I should have been hyperT without it. Nada.

Chuck

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It took me a full two months when I was weaning onto

this diet to give up coffee.. I feel you! I slowly

added less full coffee and more decaf over a two month

time period.

Ocassionally if I want something warm I have a cup of

mint tea with stevia.. very occassional.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

--- Chanon Starnes <chanonstarnes@...>

wrote:

> I've tried giving up coffee in the past. I just

> don't know if I can do it.

> Sugar...alcohol...dairy...I can give those up. I

> have dreams about coffee and coffee shops. Which

> reminds me, so much in our society revolves around

> food/drink/coffee. Ugh...

Website for my son Hunter Hudson, born 10/11/04:

http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

Today is the most important day.

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Hi ,

I find that I just tell people that I have allergies

or that I'm pre-diabetic and that I'm weary of eating

out in restaurants and suggest we do something else.

With my husband we often go to Outback Steakhouse or

Black Angus and they have appropriate food there.

Often I don't eat the food anyway and we sit outside

and I hang out.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

--- <zulie_60@...> wrote:

> Debby,

>

> Thanks so much for all of your input. I'm not

> into bars...been doing Internet dating for 2 1/2 yrs

> to no avail...that's another story, of course!

> Congrats for finding love that way! Just so much

> socializing is around restaurants and food...my

> issues...not necessarily other's. Maybe I just keep

> coming up with excuses too. Thanks again!

Website for my son Hunter Hudson, born 10/11/04:

http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

Today is the most important day.

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I have reactions to coffee and milk. They are usually no no's on a candida

diet. I have heard if you must have coffee drink it black.

[Guest guest]

I am slowly weening myself off of coffee, using 1/4 regular, 1/4

chicory, and 1/2 decaf. There is a great recipe in the files for fake

cream. I tried it recently and it is delicious in the coffee,

especially when I added some real vanilla extract to it!

with Metta,

~Lori~

>

> I have reactions to coffee and milk. They are usually no no's on a

candida

> diet. I have heard if you must have coffee drink it black.

>

>

>

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>

> Hello, my wife and I have just joined the group and are going to

start the diet next week. We have printed the shopping list (very

helpful, tks) we are concerned about withdrawals especially coffee

and were wandering if we are able to drink coffee with organic Milk.

==>Hi Steve. Welcome to you and your wife!

==>Try to wean off of caffeinated coffee gradually so you do not get

withdrawal symptoms. If you need to have milk in it, organic is

better, but it is important to wean off of it too.

==>Try mixing caffeinated coffee with decaf (Swiss Water Processed,

which doesn't use chemicals to remove the caffeine). Like someone

else wrote try the Fake Cream recipe in your coffee - I think it's

in the Snacks section of the Recipe Folder.

The best in health, Bee

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>From: blueeberri@...

>I have reactions to coffee and milk. They are usually no no's on a candida

>diet. I have heard if you must have coffee drink it black.

Hi,

You can have a swiss processed decaf because most of the caffeine has been

removed and the fake cream recipe works well in it.

Shirley

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Coffee does affect everyone differently. A huge component is one's liver.

If you have a sluggish liver, coffee can make you very jittery because the

caffeine keeps circulating in your bloodstream.

Kenda

> Kenda ... that was quite a read !!! thanks ...

>

> Some of the stuff I agree with ... some don't ... sounds like the coffee

> companies of the world have a great spokesperson ... The coffee bean is a

> natural component of the earth ... it can't be all that bad.

>

> All I can say is .... every body is so different ... I feel the effects with

> coffee after one cup ... diuretic, more alert, and if I drink more ... more

> anxious ... usually it's one cup in the morning and maybe one around 4 or 5.

>

> I do know this from talking to a couple of friends ... it's helped me too. It

> does help Attention Deficit Disorder in kids and adults (I say this because

> depending on the time of day ... or month, it calms me down).

>

> From reading and listening, the affects on caffeine/coffee on male and female

> ... differ.

>

> My Grandmother drank a ton of black coffee all of her life and so does my dad.

> My Grandmother had arthritis ... that's all ... died a few months ago at

> almost 91. There's been only arthritis with my Dad. Doesn't seem to be

> anything else going on.

>

> LCL

>

> --------- Re: Heart Abnormalities

>>>>>

>>>>> Yes, that's what I was told too. I'm having the Echo to be sure it is a

>>>>> small abnormality and not a big one.

>>>>>

>>>>> Here is a little blurb about small breasts:

>>>>>

>>>>> Question: I have heard that there is a condition known as Mitral Valve

>>>>> Prolapse Syndrome, which includes symptoms including anxie ty, irritable

>>>>> bowel syndrome, migraine headaches and extreme fatigue. Is Mitral Valve

>>>>> Prolapse Syndrome a recognized and medically accepted syndrome and, if so,

>>>>> could my " saggy " valve cause the Syndrome?

>>>>>

>>>>> Answer: MVP has been described for years and

>>> about 10% of women do have MVP.

>>>>> It seems that the connective tissue throughout the body is " different " and

>>>>> the MVP is only one manifestation of this genetic variation. Migraine

>>>>> headaches and irritable bowel are not part

>>> of this syndrome. The valve does

>>>>> not cause the systemic problems seen with MVP, rather different connective

>>>>> tissue does. Anxiety, fast heart beats, excessive response to caffeine and

>>>>> like drugs, hyperextendable joints, a tenden

>>> cy to small breasts are part of

>>>>> the syndrome.

>>>>>

>>>>> Kenda

>>>>>

>>>>>> Hi ...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Whe n I had my lumpectomy for breast cancer about 2 years ago, the

>>>>> surgeon said

>>>>>> I have irregular hearts beats (I am small

>>> breasted also). She said that a

>>>>>> high percent of the people that she sees has small abnormalities

>>>>> ... she said

>>>>>> it's pretty normal.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> LCL

>>>>>>

>>>>>> -------------- Original message --------------

>>>>>> From: Kenda Skaggs

>>>>

>>>

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>>>>>> Nan,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I had the same thing happen to me yesterday

>>>> at my doctor appointment. I had

>>>>>> a systolic click and some irregularities on

>>>> an EKG and am having an Echo in

>>>>>> a cou ple of weeks. No o ne has ever told

>>> me that I have a murmur or other

>>>>>> heart problem. The doc did tell me that

>>>> some heart problems are more common

>>>>>> with small breasted women! I was never implanted.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Kenda

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Beth. No I have never had anyone tell me this so I was shocked, and

>>>>>>> to hear it on the echocardio test was sort of scary. I have NO idea

>>>>>>> what is going on. I am three months post explant, never had the

>>>>>>> heart thing until about two months ago, so I am just clueless. Dr

>>>>>>> Kolb told me to check my heart. But I did not ask more about it. I

>>>>>>> am going back to see her in two weeks. I am glad yours went away.

>>>>>>> I have been so miserable for two months, mine is constant now. Nan

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>> & g

>>> t; >>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>> & gt

>>>> ;>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> you have calmed so much through this! My echo today did show I

>>>>>>> have

>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>> loud heart murmur and it was very irregular. My thyroid is very

>>>>>>>>> sore. So just like you, those implants have really taken me

>>>>>>> down!

>>>>>>>>> But I am still here, and you are amazing. I am actually looking

>>>>>>>>> forward to getting this all taken care of because I have

>>>>>>> worsened

>>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>> the pounding heart and trouble breathing. I would love to get

>>>>>>> rid of

>>>>>>>>> this! My appt is monday morning with the cardiologist and I

>>>>>>> will let

>>>> gt; >>>> you know. Thanks again for all your help and support. Nan

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

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My brother was a big coffee drinker . . .

When his wife had major surgery, he sat in the waiting area drinking one coffee after another . . .

After drinking about 17 cups, he woke up in emergency - after they used defib pads on him.

If he hadn't been in the hospital, he'd have been gone.

He had never had a heart problem before.

Rogene