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Hi Sara

YIKES is right that is quite a bit of weight to gain so suddenly. Like you, I

work out quite a bit too and strictly follow the diet  I don't know what the

heck is going on. My fear is it's going to keep going up and up and I surely

don't want that. I can feel the weight gain too in my clothes. There is nothing

I can eliminate from my diet.

Keep me posted Sara and thanks for the info

madonna

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Hi Madonna,

I just wanted to share that I too have had sudden weight gain.  I have actually

gained 40 pounds since January- up to 10 pounds some weeks!  YIKES!  I know Bee

tells us over and over not to worry about weight, but COME ON!  This is twice

the amount of weight I gained during my first pregnancy!  I should also say that

I am very strict with diet and work out more than anyone else I know. 

soo....I'm going in for some testing on tuesday.  I'll let you know what the DR.

says.

-Sara

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> Hi Sara

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> YIKES is right that is quite a bit of weight to gain so suddenly. Like you, I

work out quite a bit too and strictly follow the diet  I don't know what the

heck is going on. My fear is it's going to keep going up and up and I surely

don't want that. I can feel the weight gain too in my clothes. There is nothing

I can eliminate from my diet.

>

> Keep me posted Sara and thanks for the info

> madonna

Hi Sara and Madonna

Don't panic. If you are eating the good stuff your body has a plan and there is

a reason for the gain and you just don't know what it is yet. Stay the course.

Neal

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> Hi Madonna,

> I just wanted to share that I too have had sudden weight gain.  I have

actually gained 40 pounds since January- up to 10 pounds some weeks!  YIKES!  I

know Bee tells us over and over not to worry about weight, but COME ON!  This is

twice the amount of weight I gained during my first pregnancy!  I should also

say that I am very strict with diet and work out more than anyone else I know. 

soo....I'm going in for some testing on tuesday.  I'll let you know what the DR.

says.

>

> -Sara

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Hi Sara & Madonna,

I, too, have gained weight since January - about 15 pounds! I had orginally

lost 30 when I first started on this program and was feeling really good at my

new weight.

It's really humiliating to have to get out my 'fat clothes' again since I can't

breathe in my skinny clothes anymore, especially since I've been telling so many

people about my new diet and how good it is for us to eat this way. I know they

are looking at me and thinking - pffft - yeah right!

I understand that fat helps to protect the inner organs and I know that this is

a good thing and that I'm probably retracing my fatter college (and post-college

days) but not everyone around me gets that, so when I pile on the extra fat in

my foods, I feel like people are staring at me and shaking their heads.

I guess we just have to trust that our bodies know what they are doing. It's

especailly hard for me since my husband (also on the program) keeps losing

weight - so unfair!

Smiles,

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> Hi Sara

>

> YIKES is right that is quite a bit of weight to gain so suddenly. Like you, I

work out quite a bit too and strictly follow the diet  I don't know what the

heck is going on. My fear is it's going to keep going up and up and I surely

don't want that. I can feel the weight gain too in my clothes. There is nothing

I can eliminate from my diet.

>

> Keep me posted Sara and thanks for the info

> madonna

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Thanks Neil- I know I should not stress since that is going to make things

worse...but! I weigh more than I did at the END of my pregnancy! come on!!! I

dont fit into any of my clothes. Last january I was thinner than I've ever been

in my life and had to buy new clothes....now I'm bigger than ever and need to

buy new clothes. It sucks. In addition I'm having other 'hormonal' issues:

irregular periods and lots of sudden anger/irritability (which is very unlike

me). I hope to get some answers.

-Sara

> Hi Sara and Madonna

>

> Don't panic. If you are eating the good stuff your body has a plan and there

is a reason for the gain and you just don't know what it is yet. Stay the

course.

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> Thanks Neil- I know I should not stress since that is going to make things

worse...but! I weigh more than I did at the END of my pregnancy! come on!!! I

dont fit into any of my clothes. Last january I was thinner than I've ever been

in my life and had to buy new clothes....now I'm bigger than ever and need to

buy new clothes. It sucks. In addition I'm having other 'hormonal' issues:

irregular periods and lots of sudden anger/irritability (which is very unlike

me). I hope to get some answers.

+++Hi Sara. When I started on the high fats diet I also weighed more than I had

ever weighed in my life!

Didn't I advise you to take bioflavonoids and extra vitamin A for awhile? How

is that going?

Also re-check all of the supplements to ensure you are taking the correct doses

and using the right kind of products. Also doublecheck your diet to ensure you

are following it accurately.

Since you are stressing a lot, I recommend you do at least 3 deep breathing

exercises every day: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/breath1.php

Also it might be a good idea for you to do the 9-Day Program:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/dig6.php

The best, Bee

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> Thanks Neil- I know I should not stress since that is going to make things

worse...but! I weigh more than I did at the END of my pregnancy! come on!!! I

dont fit into any of my clothes. Last january I was thinner than I've ever been

in my life and had to buy new clothes....now I'm bigger than ever and need to

buy new clothes. It sucks. In addition I'm having other 'hormonal' issues:

irregular periods and lots of sudden anger/irritability (which is very unlike

me). I hope to get some answers.

>

> -Sara

>

Hi again Sara

You know you shouldn't stress over it and then consider leaving the but off as

someone recently told me that everything after the " but " is BS. Clothes are just

pieces of fabric that we cover our bodies with. They come and go and there are

more available at the clothes store. Take care of what is under the clothes,

you. Like the extra weight you could also have some other issues that have to

come out like hormonal and anger. Let them out Sara and it's part of the process

and it is clear to me from my viewpoint.

Neal

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> What you may be experiencing with coffee is it's ability to " mask "

> other symptoms and complaints. It essentially " replaces "

> environmental reactions with its own. Nicotine is another mask,

> especially for those with chemical sensititivies.

Occasionally I will be bothered by some really bad outdoor mold. It gives me

heart symptoms, nasty headaches and brain inflammation.

Certainly running like hell from it would be the optimal choice.

Sometimes this is not really practical though.

A few cups of strong coffee, a few cups of strong peppermint tea and several

aspirin bring the headaches and inflammation to tolerable levels. This feels

like a good thing, certainly for the short-term but (I think) for the long-term

too.

I feel the same way about air filters. If you have to use them every day, a

change of locations seems like a good idea. But occasional use to get through a

rough patch seems to me not an unreasonable thing to do.

Caffeine is a drug, no doubt.

But drugs can be helpful, if you use them in the right way.

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carefull with the coke I ended upa diabetic bexcuase of too much coke

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I absolutely agree! In fact, some of my clients were supported by

their physician to not work too hard at stopping smoking because

they became disfunctional if they stopped. Yes, they understand

the other risks of smoking, but sometimes these are the kinds of

tough choices we have to make.

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I absolutely agree! In fact, some of my clients were supported by

their physician to not work too hard at stopping smoking because

they became disfunctional if they stopped. Yes, they understand

the other risks of smoking, but sometimes these are the kinds of

tough choices we have to make.

A choice I had to make was high cholestrerol or taking statins.

Statins nearly did me in so I chose the high, but uncertain, risk of

cholesterol over the certain dysfunction of statins. I'm informed as

is my doctor so we both know the comparative risks and benefits.

If we understand and trust the information then we can make

better choices.

I have tricks similar to yours to stop the reactivity when avoidance

isn't possible or quick enough. I also have some things like

drinking Coke which I easily get addicted to. It's gradual and I

keep telling myself I can stop at anytime and that the negative

reactions are really from something else. Especially because

Coke provides some beneficial masking for me. But after a few

months the negative overrides the masking and I spend two

weeks in withdrawal. For some reason Pepsi isn't addictive.

Coffee is extremely addictive for me but the reactions are so bad

it's easy to avoid it. But it wasn't easy the first time I stopped

drinking it 30 years ago. It was as tough to stop coffee as it was

to stop smoking. Now I can't stand even the smell of either.

Not much of this is simple enough that one action is all that's

needed to " get well. " And we are all different so we have to

experiment to see what works and what doesn't. While

evaluating, it helps to know that how we feel is sometimes the

only " instrument " we have but even that can be unreliable

because of such things as physical " masking. "

Just because " masking " has negative effects doesn't mean all

" masking " is bad and we are bad people if we don't stop it.

Sometimes " masking, " as you pointed out, has its benefits. Same

with " addictions. " Jeanine spends lots of time researching as do I

and several others on this group. I'm compulsive about it. But that

doesn't mean it's bad. We can use our " addictions " or

" compulsions " or " obsessions " in positive ways which help

ourselves and others. We have enough criticisms from others

without beating ourselves up, too.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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Occasionally I will be bothered by some really bad outdoor mold. It gives

me heart symptoms, nasty headaches and brain inflammation.

Certainly running like hell from it would be the optimal choice.

Sometimes this is not really practical though.

A few cups of strong coffee, a few cups of strong peppermint tea and

several aspirin bring the headaches and inflammation to tolerable levels.

This feels like a good thing, certainly for the short-term but (I think) for

the long-term too.

I feel the same way about air filters. If you have to use them every day, a

change of locations seems like a good idea. But occasional use to get

through a rough patch seems to me not an unreasonable thing to do.

Caffeine is a drug, no doubt.

But drugs can be helpful, if you use them in the right way.

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Good point, Janet. And here is another choice. Sugar (corn

syrup) or Aspertame?

Or, water?

I'm now drinking water.

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carefull with the coke I ended upa diabetic bexcuase of too much coke

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their physician to not work too hard at stopping smoking because

they became disfunctional if they stopped. Yes, they understand

the other risks of smoking, but sometimes these are the kinds of

tough choices we have to make.

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Better digestion with Coke...

That was my rationale, also! Because I'd occasionally get

stomach acid without it. When the stomach acid increased I'd

drink more Coke to prevent it (?) because I thought it would help

my digestion.

Funny thing, though. When I stopped the Coke the acid got

better. In fact, it stopped. (but it took two weeks!)

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I hadn't had soda pop for about ten years and then I took Sporonax for something

and people in the aspergillus site and also in the Sporonax literature advised

to take it with some coke to aide it dissolving, so I did. Tasted great. I

didn't have trouble remembering to take my medicine. Then I thought maybe other

things would be absorbed better with Coke. Before you know it I was taking

everything with Coke. I'd also feel like a little Coke and wonder what could I

take with it..going in reverse. Finally realized going through alot of Coke and

stopped. Yes, it's habit forming!

>

> ,

>

> I absolutely agree! In fact, some of my clients were supported by

> their physician to not work too hard at stopping smoking because

> they became disfunctional if they stopped. Yes, they understand

> the other risks of smoking, but sometimes these are the kinds of

> tough choices we have to make.

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you know, I read something that made alot of sence to me, conserning addiction

as a brain disease. we dont call people with ADHD,autism,

parkinsons,huntingtons,alztimers,scisofrenia<(never can spell that) ect. addicts

even though they have many of the same brain disfunctions as addicts do.

what is a addict? they weren't a addict when they first started drinking or

doing drugs, are people on prescribed med's addicts?

they weren't when they first started takeing those drugs for their

illness/disease. what makes a addict? brain damage/brain disfunction. sometimes

caused by the very drugs we are prescribed for a illness.

>

> ,

>

> I absolutely agree! In fact, some of my clients were supported by

> their physician to not work too hard at stopping smoking because

> they became disfunctional if they stopped. Yes, they understand

> the other risks of smoking, but sometimes these are the kinds of

> tough choices we have to make.

>

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I hadn't had soda pop for about ten years and then I took Sporonax for something

and people in the aspergillus site and also in the Sporonax literature advised

to take it with some coke to aide it dissolving, so I did. Tasted great. I

didn't have trouble remembering to take my medicine. Then I thought maybe other

things would be absorbed better with Coke. Before you know it I was taking

everything with Coke. I'd also feel like a little Coke and wonder what could I

take with it..going in reverse. Finally realized going through alot of Coke and

stopped. Yes, it's habit forming!

>

> ,

>

> I absolutely agree! In fact, some of my clients were supported by

> their physician to not work too hard at stopping smoking because

> they became disfunctional if they stopped. Yes, they understand

> the other risks of smoking, but sometimes these are the kinds of

> tough choices we have to make.

>

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I used to just drink coffee in the winter sometimes, now I drink 2 cups every

morning,sometimes one around noon.

I never liked coke. I mostly was a tea drinker most of my life or water. I did

find, a few years ago that diet pepsi help my stomach problems mellow out and is

the only thing that can make me burp.

I did drink regular pepsi times before my exposure but the corn surup in the

regular soda's and me dont get along anymore.

>

> I hadn't had soda pop for about ten years and then I took Sporonax for

something and people in the aspergillus site and also in the Sporonax literature

advised to take it with some coke to aide it dissolving, so I did. Tasted

great. I didn't have trouble remembering to take my medicine. Then I thought

maybe other things would be absorbed better with Coke. Before you know it I was

taking everything with Coke. I'd also feel like a little Coke and wonder what

could I take with it..going in reverse. Finally realized going through alot of

Coke and stopped. Yes, it's habit forming!

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HI Carl,

I am not a doctor and this is not medical advice, but there are a number of

books about the myths of cholesterol (one is called the cholesterol myth). If

you look at the whole history of turning cholesterol into a " bad " thing, you

will see that big Pharma is behind it. The research doesn't support it.

Current " good cholesterol " levels are unattainable by most of the population w/o

drugs. The statins have serious side effects like memory issues. Eating

cholesterol containing foods does not cause high cholesterol, cholesterol is

essential for good health, especially brain health. To improve your diet cut

out all processed foods.

Remember, the same doctors who told us to quit eating good butter and

switch to margarine (hydrogenated, transfat) now say transfat is worse

than smoking. Statins are huge business...

<http://www.westonaprice.org/Cholesterol-High.html>

Sue V.

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>,

>

>I absolutely agree! In fact, some of my clients were supported by

>their physician to not work too hard at stopping smoking because

>they became disfunctional if they stopped. Yes, they understand

>the other risks of smoking, but sometimes these are the kinds of

>tough choices we have to make.

>

>A choice I had to make was high cholestrerol or taking statins.

>Statins nearly did me in so I chose the high, but uncertain, risk of

>cholesterol over the certain dysfunction of statins. I'm informed as

>is my doctor so we both know the comparative risks and benefits.

>If we understand and trust the information then we can make

>better choices.

>

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you can try probiotics and digestive enzymes....

>Better digestion with Coke...

>

>That was my rationale, also! Because I'd occasionally get

>stomach acid without it. When the stomach acid increased I'd

>drink more Coke to prevent it (?) because I thought it would help

>my digestion.

>

>Funny thing, though. When I stopped the Coke the acid got

>better. In fact, it stopped. (but it took two weeks!)

>

>Carl Grimes

>Healthy Habitats LLC

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trust me, prescription opiates are highly addictive, after only a few

weeks, a person is addicted, they go into withdrawals quickly without

them, no difference from illegal opiates, except that big pharma is

making a killing off them... I know, I have seen....

>you know, I read something that made alot of sence to me, conserning

>addiction as a brain disease. we dont call people with ADHD,autism,

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That reminds me of using Coke syrup (without the water and

CO2) with kids for nausea. Worked very well.

While we're on the topic, anybody use Alka-Seltzer Gold to stop

reactions?

Carl Grimes

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Or go to the root of what was added to Coke or other colas to aid

digestion... afterall, remember that soda fountains began in pharmacies?

WHY? The syrups were produced by pharmacists to aid in the consumption and

digestion of the medicinal concoctions the pharmacists were producing.

I've recently learned of digestive bitters and bitters in general - WOW -

glad I've learned about them NOW at least ;-) Here's one bitter I've found

available locally, but I'm sure there are others.

http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/Angostura_bitters

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> Better digestion with Coke...

>

> That was my rationale, also! Because I'd occasionally get

> stomach acid without it. When the stomach acid increased I'd

> drink more Coke to prevent it (?) because I thought it would help

> my digestion.

>

> Funny thing, though. When I stopped the Coke the acid got

> better. In fact, it stopped. (but it took two weeks!)

>

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

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Or go to the root of what was added to Coke or other colas to aid

digestion... afterall, remember that soda fountains began in pharmacies?

WHY? The syrups were produced by pharmacists to aid in the consumption and

digestion of the medicinal concoctions the pharmacists were producing.

I've recently learned of digestive bitters and bitters in general - WOW -

glad I've learned about them NOW at least ;-) Here's one bitter I've found

available locally, but I'm sure there are others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angostura_bitters

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...> wrote:

> Better digestion with Coke...

>

> That was my rationale, also! Because I'd occasionally get

> stomach acid without it. When the stomach acid increased I'd

> drink more Coke to prevent it (?) because I thought it would help

> my digestion.

>

> Funny thing, though. When I stopped the Coke the acid got

> better. In fact, it stopped. (but it took two weeks!)

>

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

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ofcorse. I think your missing the point. what is addiction and withdrawel?

meaning what is going on in your brain with these symptoms.

and they are symptoms.

>

> trust me, prescription opiates are highly addictive, after only a few

> weeks, a person is addicted, they go into withdrawals quickly without

> them, no difference from illegal opiates, except that big pharma is

> making a killing off them... I know, I have seen....

>

>

> >you know, I read something that made alot of sence to me, conserning

> >addiction as a brain disease. we dont call people with ADHD,autism,

>

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Very interesting observation Jeri!

I've always found that simply chewing gum solves my digestive problems. That

way you are getting your own natural digestive enzymes, and don't have to

purchase them.

>

> Or go to the root of what was added to Coke or other colas to aid

> digestion... afterall, remember that soda fountains began in pharmacies?

> WHY? The syrups were produced by pharmacists to aid in the consumption and

> digestion of the medicinal concoctions the pharmacists were producing.

>

> I've recently learned of digestive bitters and bitters in general - WOW -

> glad I've learned about them NOW at least ;-) Here's one bitter I've found

> available locally, but I'm sure there are others.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angostura_bitters

>

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well I think what is going on in your brain is that the opiates coming

in from an external source are messing with your brain chemistry,

suppressing your body's natural opiate production and attaching to their

receptors.... research has been done that shows many drugs rewire the

brain, some permanently changing the brain chemistry, making it very

difficult to stop taking those drugs, not just opiates but others...

>

>ofcorse. I think your missing the point. what is addiction and

>withdrawel? meaning what is going on in your brain with these symptoms.

>and they are symptoms.

>

>

>>

>> trust me, prescription opiates are highly addictive, after only a few

>> weeks, a person is addicted, they go into withdrawals quickly without

>> them, no difference from illegal opiates, except that big pharma is

>> making a killing off them... I know, I have seen....

>>

>>

>> >you know, I read something that made alot of sence to me, conserning

>> >addiction as a brain disease. we dont call people with ADHD,autism,

>>

>

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Coke is good (cola syrup) for killing bacteria because it has the

lowest pH of 1! Another good reason not to drink it unless you think

you've eaten something bad.

Barth

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bbw> Very interesting observation Jeri!

bbw> I've always found that simply chewing gum solves my digestive problems.

That way you are getting your own natural digestive enzymes, and don't have to

purchase them.

bbw>

>>

>> Or go to the root of what was added to Coke or other colas to aid

>> digestion... afterall, remember that soda fountains began in pharmacies?

>> WHY? The syrups were produced by pharmacists to aid in the consumption and

>> digestion of the medicinal concoctions the pharmacists were producing.

>>

>> I've recently learned of digestive bitters and bitters in general - WOW -

>> glad I've learned about them NOW at least ;-) Here's one bitter I've found

>> available locally, but I'm sure there are others.

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angostura_bitters

>>

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Hi Carl,Sue's email reminded me of the Dr. Young that KC posted us about. I'm

pretty sure that he has natural protocols in hand for treating cholesterol

issues and I think he in large part agress with Sue's take on the scam from big

pharma.Sam

ps - thanx for your feedback on coffee. 

HI Carl,

I am not a doctor and this is not medical advice, but there are a number of

books about the myths of cholesterol (one is called the cholesterol myth). If

you look at the whole history of turning cholesterol into a " bad " thing, you

will see that big Pharma is behind it. The research doesn't support it. 

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maybe sometimes suppressing and sometimes overexpressing.

and dependent on weather your lacking or produceing to much of any of them may

corralate to weather something external is helping or hindering. I kindof fell

this is what chemical sensitivity/reaction is all about. inhibiting or over

expressing, most or all functions in the brain are dependent on or regulate

another functions. plus tranmission and reception also playing a role and so it

might be hard to regulate. than if you have axon tree regrowth there could be

paths of transmission but they might a path to the wrong receptor which might

cause a bad reaction itself.

kind of like someone rewiring a computer that has no clue what their doing, no

good reaction is going to come from that when you turn it on.

but wanting more and wanting normal are to different things,

what leads a person to try a drug is a wanting of more, more than normal,because

they might just want to escape their real world/reality for a while. some drugs

might only take once and than it becames what might be a addiction, based on

both wanting more and/or needing more which than might inhibit or cause

overproduction of something else. some drugs inhibit, some cause over

production.

drugs that relieve our symptoms but dont cure our disease might be called

masking.

I dont really fell that it a matter of advoidance of everything

brain damage is brain damage.

after that it may just become a matter of dose and what the dose is of. certain

toxins cause certain effects.

some toxins are very toxic at low doses, others might not even get to the same

level of toxicity even with a very high dose.

than when you get into multiple doses of several toxins ,bacteria's, vocs,ect.

some could basically cancel out the effects of others.

> >>

> >> trust me, prescription opiates are highly addictive, after only a few

> >> weeks, a person is addicted, they go into withdrawals quickly without

> >> them, no difference from illegal opiates, except that big pharma is

> >> making a killing off them... I know, I have seen....

> >>

> >>

> >> >you know, I read something that made alot of sence to me, conserning

> >> >addiction as a brain disease. we dont call people with ADHD,autism,

> >>

> >

> >

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