Coffee

[Guest guest]

I used alkaseltzer gpold to help with reactions. An environmental doctor

told me about that

>

> That reminds me of using Coke syrup (without the water and

> CO2) with kids for nausea. Worked very well.

>

> While we're on the topic, anybody use Alka-Seltzer Gold to stop

> reactions?

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

>

[Guest guest]

my chemical sensitivity affected my whole body,but, different re-exposures to

different things can affect me in different ways.

sometimes, maybe we forget what normal was. kids on a sugar rush probably dont

fell the sugar making their blood rush, I probably do more because of the damage

I accured. kids bounce off the walls for a while than later get irritable and

tried. that should be a sign to parents that to much is not good.

my rememberance of claudia millers papers was a discription of that

our need to avoid things was chemical sensitivity was the opposite of addiction.

yes, I can see where the brain injury may play a role with

us than be in less control of somethings. but I also believe that we should

listen to our bodies. cravings might not be the exact thing as addiction. I had

a sister that quit smoking and now is the queen of qripeing about it. lol's.

>

> >

> > well I think what is going on in your brain is that the opiates coming

> > in from an external source are messing with your brain chemistry,

> > suppressing your body's natural opiate production and attaching to their

> > receptors.... research has been done that shows many drugs rewire the

> > brain, some permanently changing the brain chemistry, making it very

> > difficult to stop taking those drugs, not just opiates but others...

> >

> > >

> > >ofcorse. I think your missing the point. what is addiction and

> > >withdrawel? meaning what is going on in your brain with these symptoms.

> > >and they are symptoms.

> > >

[Guest guest]

Carl, I've drunk alka-seltzer a several times when I fell like I'm coming down

with a cold " or something " and it's helped,general unspecific malus. I

wondered wouldn't it also be good for PH ?

>

> That reminds me of using Coke syrup (without the water and

> CO2) with kids for nausea. Worked very well.

>

> While we're on the topic, anybody use Alka-Seltzer Gold to stop

> reactions?

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm pretty convienced that with this disease, allergies and even bacteria's that

might give normal people a cold, can cause some non-traditional symptoms and

different reactions. our immune system isn't working right with controling

inflammation either, when it used to.

it's amaseing how several organs work together but also have their own functions

and the two brains do all the talking. the omentum is sometimes called the

second brain,that fat and toxin holding ugly thing that grows and causes some to

get fat around the middle. it also is cause of drinkers belly.

>

> That reminds me of using Coke syrup (without the water and

> CO2) with kids for nausea. Worked very well.

>

> While we're on the topic, anybody use Alka-Seltzer Gold to stop

> reactions?

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

>

[Guest guest]

It never fails to amaze me how seemingly different approaches to study will come

up with the same point of view. From what I recall, in T'ai Chi and Qi Gong that

area of the body has also been known as the second brain.

I'm pretty convienced that with this disease, allergies and even bacteria's

that might give normal people a cold, can cause some non-traditional symptoms

and different reactions. our immune system isn't working right with controling

inflammation either, when it used to.

it's amaseing how several organs work together but also have their own functions

and the two brains do all the talking. the omentum is sometimes called the

second brain,that fat and toxin holding ugly thing that grows and causes some to

get fat around the middle. it also is cause of drinkers belly.

[Guest guest]

heres something weird, after I was away from exposure sometimes I would get

these radom snap like effects in my brain,some would be very stong and just like

one instant jerk, like a spark in my head and the whole body jerked along with

it. I if it happened while I was just setting there relaxing it was more

pronounced but maybe also some just stronger than others. I had the EFS <?

pretty bad for a long time, schocked everything I touched, ruined a few watches.

sometimes better, sometimes worse now.

> >

> > >

> > > well I think what is going on in your brain is that the opiates coming

> > > in from an external source are messing with your brain chemistry,

> > > suppressing your body's natural opiate production and attaching to their

> > > receptors.... research has been done that shows many drugs rewire the

> > > brain, some permanently changing the brain chemistry, making it very

> > > difficult to stop taking those drugs, not just opiates but others...

> > >

> > > >

> > > >ofcorse. I think your missing the point. what is addiction and

> > > >withdrawel? meaning what is going on in your brain with these symptoms.

> > > >and they are symptoms.

> > > >

>

[Guest guest]

Carl: I used to see a homeopathic allergist in NH that used to prescribe Alka

Seltzer Gold for reactions. I always had a hard time finding it in the stores

there. I do believe I stopped using it when I was told it had citric acid

(possibly aspergillus derived) as one of the ingredients. It did seem to work

well... D

>

> That reminds me of using Coke syrup (without the water and

> CO2) with kids for nausea. Worked very well.

>

> While we're on the topic, anybody use Alka-Seltzer Gold to stop

> reactions?

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Thanks :-) My path has led me to review the very basics we should have

learned in our educational system and as part of our cultural upbringing

including the basic nature of foods since all indigenous cultures considered

" food " as " medicine " .

The 6 major taste groups of foods are sweet, salty, sour, bitter, astringent

and pungent. I suspect here in the American society that other than sweet

and salty, many of us don't get enough diversity in our food tastes (and

most are over-processed anyway). I'm learning to cook with more variety

from all the taste groups, " bitters " especially since they are generally

used for Detox. In soups, stews, chili, etc - wow! The flavors of all the

foods are really enhanced!

Some " bitter " foods include astragulus, radicchio, spinach, kale, eggplant,

zucchini, dandelion, grapefruit, turmeric, fenugreek - very oddly the very

foods I've been drawn to in recent years but I didn't understand the WHY

until I learned about bitters.

I found by working with the diversity of food tastes I'm now less prone to

" sweet attacks " and other food cravings. I think much of my previous food

cravings (and hence obesity) stemmed from a lack of eating from these

diverse taste groups. Btw, I came to the conclusion about the detoxing of

those foods and the weight gain problems of not focusing on a balance of the

6 tastes - then as I learned more it was confirmed / reinforced by a number

of sources in the literature and alternative health / oriental medicine

practitioners.

Here's a great introductory article:

http://www.eattasteheal.com/ETH_6tastes.htm

I'm following the itchy / rash / internal detox discussion very closely -

it's answering a number of riddles I've encountered these past few years in

my journey of leading a more holistic life and detoxing from the previous

30+ years of blindly living the typical American Lifestyle.

My journey has led me to use supplements while I'm overcoming the decades of

toxic living and as I learn to utilize the diverse properties of FOOD with a

goal that I should be able to taper away from most of the supplements and

get what I need through proper nutrition all the while becoming healthier

than I have ever previously been...

My husband has joined me on this journey - he works in a very sick building

that is in no hope of being rectified anytime soon (to begin with we're 99%

certain there is fecal matter in the ceiling... and considering his portion

of the building is entirely underground the humidity is often above 85%...

in the infinite wisdom to save HVAC money the building is controlled in the

summer to not cool lower than 80F; the vast quantity of electronic equipment

in their office has a very high fail rate due to the extreme environmental

conditions). He seems to be able to tolerate the sick building much better

now since he joined me on this journey. His co-workers are often ALL very

sick - 50% or higher absentee rates after particularly humid days are not

uncommon, yet he's been better able to cope with his toxic environment. I

have to wonder if it's not the addition of the other food tastes in our

healthier lifestyle, particularly bitters, which has benefited him.

Jeri

[Guest guest]

I would think sodium bicarbonate would do the same thing cheaper. I always

thought that ala seltzer was similar to taking sodium bicarb with bubbles or

perhaps the bubbles are important/oxygen?? I would guess you could mix seltzer

with sodium bicarb in that case, or is seltzer contaminated?

> >

> > That reminds me of using Coke syrup (without the water and

> > CO2) with kids for nausea. Worked very well.

> >

> > While we're on the topic, anybody use Alka-Seltzer Gold to stop

> > reactions?

> >

> > Carl Grimes

> > Healthy Habitats LLC

> >

> > -----

> >

>

[Guest guest]

another thing that helps with sweet cravings is getting plenty of " good

fat " in the diet...it satiates so you don't go looking for sweets. By

good fats I mean: fat from animals raised properly (not factory farmed)

as in pastured, grass fed, the way our grandparents raised animals,

grass fed milk fat, ideally raw and definitely not homogenized, extra

virgin olive oil, coconut oil, grass fed butter and ghee, I recommend

avoiding all hydrogenated oils, canola oil, soy oil, cottonseed oil,

none of these latter are healthy, but they are cheap and marketed as

health foods...

sue

>Thanks :-) My path has led me to review the very basics we should have

>learned in our educational system and as part of our cultural upbringing

>including the basic nature of foods since all indigenous cultures considered

> " food " as " medicine " .

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think coffee would do that. I if anything, coffee makes you feel

energized not

depleted.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: Louise <mtt5nf@...>

Subject: coffee

hypothyroidism

Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 4:15 AM

Should coffee be avoided altogether?  May that be causing some of the

hypothyroid symptoms to be even stronger or more often?

Thanks.

Louise

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[Guest guest]

Chuck, wouldn't it be difficult to be able to tell if the adrenal fatigued

feeling is

simply from one or two cups of coffee? We have no idea of physical activity,

other extenuating cirumstances, certain medications, whether the diet is proper

or insufficient for the energy needed, etc.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

> 

> I don't think coffee would do that. I if anything, coffee makes you feel

> energized not depleted.

Caffeine mimics adrenaline. The short term effects definitely stimulate

the CNS, but longer term use can complicate the adrenal interaction with

the thyroid axis. It can effectively induce a type of adrenal fatigue.

Chuck

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[Guest guest]

Chuck, I typically don't drink coffee but probably will today as I'm

headed to band practice and didn't get much sleep last night. I get a

very pronounced energy and mood boost shortly after drinking a cup of

coffee. It is long lasting and does not seem to have the " downer "

effect often encountered by some people after a while. What do you

guess is going on with me?

Regards,

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> Posted by: " Chuck B " gumboyaya@...

> <mailto:gumboyaya@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20coffee> gumbo482001

> <gumbo482001>

>

>

> Sun May 30, 2010 2:30 pm (PDT)

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>

>

> Roni and Louise,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > I don't think coffee would do that. I if anything, coffee makes you

> feel

> > energized not depleted.

>

> Caffeine mimics adrenaline. The short term effects definitely stimulate

> the CNS, but longer term use can complicate the adrenal interaction with

> the thyroid axis. It can effectively induce a type of adrenal fatigue.

>

> Chuck

[Guest guest]

Roni,

You wrote:

>

> Chuck, wouldn't it be difficult to be able to tell if the adrenal

> fatigued feeling is simply from one or two cups of coffee?...

First, just because other things cause fatigue does not mean that

caffeine is not a cause, when it can be.

Secondly, the " feeling " of fatigue is more likely due to insulin.

Caffeine (and adrenaline) cause glucose to be released from the liver.

This is a large part of the " energizing " effect. Unfortunately the

response is over production of insulin, which causes a later

hypoglycemia, a let down.

What I was referring to, is the potential exhaustion of the adrenal

capacity to produce cortisol, similar to the effect of chronic stress.

Caffeine is an artificial stressor. Low cortisol affects thyroxine

binding and T4/T3 conversion.

So, depending on the sensitivity, coffee can definitely be a problem for

some people. The way to tell is simply stop the coffee (or other sources

of caffeine) for awhile. See if it makes a difference.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

>

>

> Chuck, I typically don't drink coffee .... What do you

> guess is going on with me?

As you said, you do not drink coffee regularly or in large doses. People

who experience the " crash " are typically operating on a sleep deficit

and drink enough coffee to at least partially compensate for it.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

I was usually not a big coffee drinker. Even while I was working one to three

cups a day was the most I had.

 

I haven't had ANY coffee or chocolate or any other source of caffeine, even the

so called decafeinated ones because the caffeine kicks off my afib. Just my

luck, when it's finally decided that two things I used to enjoy are good for us,

my body won't accept them.

Oh well, I can still eat frozen yogurt and ice cream, just not with chocolate.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

> 

> Chuck, wouldn't it be difficult to be able to tell if the adrenal

> fatigued feeling is simply from one or two cups of coffee?...

First, just because other things cause fatigue does not mean that

caffeine is not a cause, when it can be.

Secondly, the " feeling " of fatigue is more likely due to insulin.

Caffeine (and adrenaline) cause glucose to be released from the liver.

This is a large part of the " energizing " effect. Unfortunately the

response is over production of insulin, which causes a later

hypoglycemia, a let down.

What I was referring to, is the potential exhaustion of the adrenal

capacity to produce cortisol, similar to the effect of chronic stress.

Caffeine is an artificial stressor. Low cortisol affects thyroxine

binding and T4/T3 conversion.

So, depending on the sensitivity, coffee can definitely be a problem for

some people. The way to tell is simply stop the coffee (or other sources

of caffeine) for awhile. See if it makes a difference.

Chuck

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[Guest guest]

That makes sense; thanks.

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> Posted by: " Chuck B " gumboyaya@...

> <mailto:gumboyaya@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20coffee> gumbo482001

> <gumbo482001>

>

>

> Mon May 31, 2010 10:53 am (PDT)

>

>

>

> ,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> >

> > Chuck, I typically don't drink coffee .... What do you

> > guess is going on with me?

>

> As you said, you do not drink coffee regularly or in large doses. People

> who experience the " crash " are typically operating on a sleep deficit

> and drink enough coffee to at least partially compensate for it.

>

> Chuck

[Guest guest]

>

> Secondly, the " feeling " of fatigue is more likely due to insulin.

> Caffeine (and adrenaline) cause glucose to be released from the liver.

> This is a large part of the " energizing " effect. Unfortunately the

> response is over production of insulin, which causes a later

> hypoglycemia, a let down.

YES. coffee drinking sets off a hypoglycemic episode for me - almost every

time.

>

> What I was referring to, is the potential exhaustion of the adrenal

> capacity to produce cortisol, similar to the effect of chronic stress.

YES. since I ditched the stuff, my adrenals are doing better - no midday dumping

- but it took a LONG time and is still ongoing.

> Caffeine is an artificial stressor. Low cortisol affects thyroxine

> binding and T4/T3 conversion.

>

YES. This may be the reason that I became slightly hypothyroid to begin with.

I suspect there are many like me who are on thyroid medication but need only

improve their adrenal function - well I'm not sure that's the case with me, but

that's the direction I'm heading.

[Guest guest]

In my case I don't know if coffee [caffeine] is good or bad; typically I

think it's bad. But I don't like it; I just occasionally drink a cup to

keep awake during music practice. Take Monday, for example: I didn't

get much sleep Sunday night so I knew I would want to crash soon after

starting the practice about 11:30 so I drank a cup of coffee about that

time. I was very shortly feeling more energized and upbeat.

We practiced until about three; typically I go home at that time and

recline and possibly nap for an hour or more. But Monday another band

that I have friends in was playing a gig from 4 to 7 PM so I went and

listened to them and did a bit of line dancing. I had two diet cokes

[at home I drink caffeine free] there and food from the free bar. Then

several friends said they were going to a blues jam a few miles north so

I went there; fantastic blues guitar/bass/harp/drums/vocals. I left

about nine or so and went home to fight with my pc for a few hours and

finally went to bed around midnight or after. No crashes anywhere along

the line.

YMMV,

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> Posted by: " Dave " dcbaden@...

> <mailto:dcbaden@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20coffee> dcbaden

> <dcbaden>

>

>

> Tue Jun 1, 2010 11:27 am (PDT)

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> >

> > Secondly, the " feeling " of fatigue is more likely due to insulin.

> > Caffeine (and adrenaline) cause glucose to be released from the liver.

> > This is a large part of the " energizing " effect. Unfortunately the

> > response is over production of insulin, which causes a later

> > hypoglycemia, a let down.

>

> YES. coffee drinking sets off a hypoglycemic episode for me - almost

> every time.

>

> >

> > What I was referring to, is the potential exhaustion of the adrenal

> > capacity to produce cortisol, similar to the effect of chronic stress.

>

> YES. since I ditched the stuff, my adrenals are doing better - no

> midday dumping - but it took a LONG time and is still ongoing.

>

> > Caffeine is an artificial stressor. Low cortisol affects thyroxine

> > binding and T4/T3 conversion.

> >

>

> YES. This may be the reason that I became slightly hypothyroid to

> begin with. I suspect there are many like me who are on thyroid

> medication but need only improve their adrenal function - well I'm not

> sure that's the case with me, but that's the direction I'm heading.