Re: Who cares if Stachy is sticky?, white ,yellow,purple??

[Guest guest]

here here

In a message dated 9/12/2009 11:02:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

moldsick@... writes:

For those of us who have lost their homes, our belongings, our financial

security and unfortunately are chronically ill, have sick children, have

had

to give up a profession they love and are pretty much restricted in their

abilities due to MCS, cognitive challenges and fatigue due to our

poisoning.

We honestly do not give a crap about whether mold is slimy,dry,sticky etc

etc and we do not care how this essential oil is diffused or processed or

the complex formulas of dispersion and it's effects.

[Guest guest]

Its true. I got sick working in a moldy basement with bglack and white mold

up the walls. Ive lost my job my friends my health. I dont care what

color or consistancy it is it is a nightmare!

Janet

In a message dated 9/12/2009 12:04:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

brianc8452@... writes:

My family also lost everything (our home, all of our

personal belongings, our careers, our financial security and our health), and I

am very angry about the lies being told by the insurance industry and other

stakeholders. Because of those lies, we still have not been able to find

adequate medical care.

[Guest guest]

, good job! My family also lost everything (our home, all of our personal

belongings, our careers, our financial security and our health), and I am very

angry about the lies being told by the insurance industry and other

stakeholders. Because of those lies, we still have not been able to find

adequate medical care.

I had to mention the vast amount of information stating that stachy is slimy

because one of the experts commented that he has never heard of stachy being

described as slimy. My daughter accidentally touched the slimy mold and she

continues to suffer from bloody sores on her body.

And, I agree with your other comments. If someone has not personally

experienced this nightmare, then they can't begin to understand our losses and

our anger.

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From: Meng <moldsick@...>

Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:38:10 AM

Subject: [] Who cares if Stachy is sticky?, white ,yellow,purple??

[Guest guest]

,

There is no way I can truly understand what you have gone through and I am

sure that what I can imagine doesn't cover the feelings of going through that.

However, that doesn't mean I don't care about it.

To help you understand the conviction and confidence that I have in Dr.

Close's protocol in it's ability to " remedy " a moldy home. If you gave me your

moldy home I would be more than happy to remediate it using Dr. Close's protocol

and then move my family into it. I have an 11 week old son and as we all know

moving a young child into something like this could be very hazardous, but I

would feel confident that there would be no problems. This is because I have

seen people who have had houses with enough mold to have mold growing on the

chairs the tables, the carpet, etc. and after using the protocol and cleaning up

a bit their health problems have diminished and eventually dissapeared. I have

seen this first hand.

The reason for discussing the use of essential oils on spores and particulate

matter is this is part of the problem that even after remediation can be left

behind and why people still have problems. People often think that the smell of

the essential oils is just covering up the smell of the mold, and it's not. From

what Dr. Close theorizes the essential oil blend actually digests the mold

spores and kills the hyphae thereby removing the source of the mycotoxins. If

you can remove the source of what is creating the mycotoxins and I mean truly

remove it; then the mycotoxins, which as far as we know do not exist independent

of mold, would dissipate on their own. I believe this is why Mr. Grimes has

asked to review the case studies that Dr. Close has performed and published to

either validate the claims or raise questions about them.

To make this absolutely clear: assuming the essentail oil blend does digest

the mold spores and reduce particulate matter and bacteria which can carry the

mycotoxins into the air and into our bodies. Then by destroying these things

you are removing one of the ways that mycotoxins get in your body. If they kill

the Hyphae, then you are removing the producer of mycotoxins. Therefor you no

langer have mycotoxins being produced in your home, and you no longer have their

primary form of transportation into the body so unless mycotoxins are

independent of mold and mold spores the mycotoxins would then be a non factor.

That actually was the to some extent the point of my discussion with Mr. Grimes.

Also you stated that you don't care about how the essential oil is diffused or

processed of the effects. Well if the effects were to be the removal of mold

and mold spores and particulate matter that can carry the mycotoxins and the

eventual removal of mycotxins through either dispersion or potentially the oils

then I don't see why you wouldn't care about it. The reason the experts were

critiquing each other is because of a difference of opinion and this board is

used to help people which Dr. Close's protocol has the potential to do. Since

Mr. Grimes is not familiar with it he has to ask questions to verify that we

aren't phishing and trying to take advantage of people.

Finally you asked about what can be done to help those who can afford to leave

their houses. Again this get's back to the statement that if you can remove

what is creating the mycotoxins then if mycotoxins do not exist independent of

mold you have your solution. As far as furniture and personal belongings it

would depend on the type of furniture and the amount of exposure. There are

things that cannot and should not be salvaged but wooden furniture with a finish

should be able to be restored with cleaning. Items with padding should either

have the padding removed and disposed of, this again gets back to diffusing, the

level of penetration that the Thieves oil can achieve, and the fact that they

can kill the hyphae and spores.

As to the discussion on color of mold, I believe this is to try and help clear

up a misnomer. Any mold that appears in the house is not necessarily toxic and

a lot of people find what looks like black mold in their homes and think that

they are in trouble when in fact it is nothing more than a form of cladisporium

or some other genus/species that is not toxin producing (again verifiable from

sampling and analysis). They are also stating for people that just because it is

not black doesn't mean it's not dangerous and that it could be a toxin producing

species.

I honestly do feel for you and for others that are dealing with a situation

where they have lost their health, their home, and so much more. This is truly

why I joined this group; to see if it would be possible to help people in need

such as yourself. Just because I haven't experienced what you have doesn't mean

that I don't care about it and I believe the same goes for many of the experts.

Josh

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>For those of us who have lost their homes, our belongings, our financial

> security and unfortunately are chronically ill, have sick children, have had

> to give up a profession they love and are pretty much restricted in their

> abilities due to MCS, cognitive challenges and fatigue due to our poisoning.

> We honestly do not give a crap about whether mold is slimy,dry,sticky etc

>

[Guest guest]

Josh, you need to be careful when you generalize your opinions to assume that

your methods could " cure " every toxic mold situation. I agree with . I

don't believe that diffusing oil could eliminate toxins. If that was true, then

the U.S. military would have figured that out a long time. Our home was so

toxic that all of the experts agreed that the only thing to do was to completely

tear it down and rebuild and everything would have to be carefully removed,

sealed and taken to a hazardous waste site. Some of the experts even stated

that it would not be safe to rebuild on that soil.

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From: xnavyfoxm <josh@...>

Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 9:21:33 AM

Subject: [] Re: Who cares if Stachy is sticky?, white

,yellow,purple??

To help you understand the conviction and confidence that I have in Dr. Close's

protocol in it's ability to " remedy " a moldy home. If you gave me your moldy

home I would be more than happy to remediate it using Dr. Close's protocol and

then move my family into it.

[Guest guest]

,

I do appreciate your recommendation for care, and you are absolutely right, I

probably shouldn't have said that. However, I do have to say that I do feel

confident that if you follow the protocol that Dr. Close has set out then you

could be safe, he has even used this as a preventative in buildings where it is

impossible to get ride of mold conducive situations. However assuming the

protocol could be followed and that the source of water could be eliminated then

I would feel confident that no matter what level of mold was found in your home

this protocol would be able to remediate it. We have done studies that have

shown over 10,667 spores per cubic meter of stachybotrys chartarum in the air

that was reduced to a total of 13 spores per cubic meter after 72 hours of

diffusion and as the case studies have shown there is residual effect meaning

that the spore count would continue to decline after treatment. This was also an

area where the initial sample before had shown stachybotrys in the air outside.

As to the U.S. Military using it. That would not happen because the

production of essential oils is based on cycles, therefore the essential oils

have a finite amount that can be produced every season. This is not something

that would sit well with the military so they would find the " active " ingredient

that is the anti-fungal or antibacterial or whatever specific agent they would

want. Determine the chemical makeup of said anti-fungal agent and then

synthesize it. This would then get back to people with chemical sensitivities

having problems dealing with something being diffused in the air and quite

possibly would only be as effective as bleach. Although the last part of that

statement would be my personal opinion. *smile*

Dr. Close has heard and talked to people that have lost their homes. That had

the health department or the EPA come to their home and tell them they could

only leave with the cloths on their backs and would actually burn their house

down and sometimes their car because it was that contaminated. This was why Dr.

Close took a very scientific approach to determining that the essential oil

blend would be an effective remediation tool. He has even approached the EPA

with his findings and since this is not a " chemical " anti-fungal agent is not

something they will respond to as yet.

Josh

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> Josh, you need to be careful when you generalize your opinions to assume that

your methods could " cure " every toxic mold situation. I agree with . I

don't believe that diffusing oil could eliminate toxins. If that was true, then

the U.S. military would have figured that out a long time.